TV: ‘Slow sinking’ contributed to breaches in containment at giant sinkhole — Trying to keep oil from escaping — Concern over ‘future risk’ in area (VIDEO)

Published: May 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm ET
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Title: Water poured into giant Louisiana sinkhole after 4 breaches in containment berm
Source: WAFB
Date Updated: May 13, 2013

[...] “We made the decision to extend the western leg beyond that particular point to a point further west to assure that we would be in an area where there wouldn’t be subsiding,” said Texas Brine spokesperson Sonny Cranch.

Cranch says that slow sinking and Friday’s rains caused the four breaches in the berm. [...]

The berms are meant to contain any oil or salt from the sinkhole [...]

“What we’re trying to determine is there anything in the surrounding area that could create a future risk,” said Patrick Courreges, Department of Natural Resources Communications Director. “We do know, as far as the surface area, the sinkhole probably will continue to get wider but shallower.”

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52 comments to TV: ‘Slow sinking’ contributed to breaches in containment at giant sinkhole — Trying to keep oil from escaping — Concern over ‘future risk’ in area (VIDEO)

  • Lion76 Lion76

    yeah but I guess no one could figure that out before they started piling dirt up around it… ($$$) taxpayers really get their money's worth around here, let me tell ya.


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  • combomelt combomelt

    Lol. Is this a scripted reality show in LA? Its impossible to write this tripe. Reality trumps their gargantuan egos every time. Absolute ineptitude! The ONLY thing TB does effectively is WAITING! Its all they are capable of. The hubris of these hardhats thinking they have the ability to now affect anything transpiring in the bayou is an unfathomable joke. What lying wordsplitting semantics obsessed ah0les ! The catastrophe they created is so much larger than they will ever admit to. And they admit nofault as its the earth that is causing the disaster not their mucking around! Blame the earth. Its her bad not tbs fault.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Cranch- The careful/deceitful words of a company man…
    Can we call the berm a severe engineering failure..now?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Build it up..add more weight ..see what happens.


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    ""In the meantime, we're taking all possible measures to prevent any, any possible escape of water from the within the immediate sinkhole area to the swampland beyond," said Cranch."

    Seems to me if helicopters can drop massive sandbags on the levees after Katrina to block off a humongous levee breach, then the same could be done here.

    I keep seeing the sneers about how this berm was supposed to last 20 years. That was when it was COMPLETE, which was scheduled for July. This berm was not complete, and in fact, because it was sinking, was being moved/extended. The promise of a 20 year life, and ability to withstand Cat 2 hurricane was when it was complete. The berm was doing it's job of containing the oil and crud.

    We did have over 2 inches of rain, and the only berm affected was that one, because the swamp did rise significantly. I took these pics yesterday.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=524921834232478&set=a.428190717238924.104694.428167043907958&type=1&theater

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=525021604222501&set=a.428190717238924.104694.428167043907958&type=1&theater


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    • Lion76 Lion76

      How do they figure something only designed against a cat 2 hurricane can possibly last 20 years in southern Louisiana? More lip service.


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        Lion76….I guess the same way their original road, which is the eastern berm, has survived.


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        • Lion76 Lion76

          yeah but only because this area has been relatively lucky not to have had any very active hurricane seasons in a few years now.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            Lion76….we have had many strong hurricanes in the past 20 years. That's how long that road has been up. Gustav and Ike, Katrina and Rita, Andrew and Isaac to name a few.


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            • Lion76 Lion76

              ahh, I gotcha. Of course, all of what that is based on has no updated thought about the impending "sea level rises" and "South Louisiana sinking into the Gulf of Mexico" scenarios that have been documented by science since 2004.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The 2 videos on the Sinkhole Flyover Channel on YouTube show pretty clearly that the breaches were caused by a difference in the water level between the sinkhole and the surrounding swamp. I thought the purpose of the berm was to keep oil from exiting the sinkhole should a hurricane create a surge that makes the water level outside the sinkhole higher than the water level inside the sinkhole. Looks like a design flaw. Back to the drawing boards. (We don't have to make up our own engineering jokes. The engineers ARE the engineering joke!)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The title above implies 4 breaches..that's significant damage.

    From above:

    Water poured into giant Louisiana sinkhole after 4 breaches in containment berm


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    "I thought the purpose of the berm was to keep oil from exiting the sinkhole "

    That is correct.

    "should a hurricane create a surge that makes the water level outside the sinkhole higher than the water level inside the sinkhole."

    That is not.

    Nothing has ever been said about surges from hurricanes. Only that they are supposed to be able to withstand a cat 2, when completed. The berms are to prevent sinkholecontaminates from leaving the sinkhole. They have been doing that.


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      That's *surface* oil, not all oil.

      MRAA permeable zones A and B have at least seven distinct aquifers down to 6000 ft.

      The topmost aquifer of permeable zone A extends from the surface to 400 ft. deep. That aquifer is made up of several interconnected layers. The topmost layer extends from the surface to the 40' clay.

      TB berms only address surface oil. There has been oil and gas migrating through all the other aquifers at least down to 4500'.

      The berms are just window-dressing on the con. TB and the DNR will determine the area is 'safe' – in part – because of the berms. The flare wells will eventually drain (temporarily) the shallowest trapped gas. Party's over at that point.

      No more mandatory evacuation. No buyouts. No lawsuit windfalls. No way for anyone to prove otherwise.

      The DHS Mobile Command Center will pack up and go home. Ten years from now, the federal lawsuits will be settled.

      This is so predictable.


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        Exactly:
        "TB berms only address surface oil. There has been oil and gas migrating through all the other aquifers at least down to 4500'.

        The berms are just window-dressing on the con. TB and the DNR will determine the area is 'safe' – in part – because of the berms. The flare wells will eventually drain (temporarily) the shallowest trapped gas. Party's over at that point."

        Anyone who thinks the berms are containing the oil from the sinkhole must be confused about the definitions of the words "prevent" "leaving" "sinkhole" and "contain".

        prevent: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prevent

        leaving: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leave

        sinkhole: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sinkhole

        contain: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contain

        Hope that clears it up. The berms are not containing the hydrocarbons which are migrating up from depth. They are not containing the oil. The berm is not containing water soluble contaminants. The berm is not containing the gases. The berm is largely ineffective with the exception of it's appearance to contain a portion of the surface contamination. That it is doing well. Appearing to work.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Cranch did blame both low sinking and the recent water.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Typo..slow sinking.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nope..a slow sinking berm..built in swamp..next to a sinkhole..nope.


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Add in the geologic and man made seismic vibrations which could cause liquefaction of the saturated sands. Derp Derp Derp. When are they going to hire intelligent people to make the decisions? So far the response by committee approach is failing to produce reasonable responses to the local conditions.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Courreges says it has been harder to get answers about what's going on with this particular sinkhole because they are dealing with nearly 5000 ft. of rock."

    It's way more..involved than just a breached berm.


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  • Lion76 Lion76

    Also, never any talk about the potential radioactive wastes being leaked from there… Methinks all this other talk of berms/oil/swamp gas is just a diversion from all the things they don't want to talk about.


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  • fill er up

    stop blaming big corp for the mess us so called civilized people created and look in the mirror! give up your cars and other forms of dirty transportation, your cosmetics, your cleaners,your disposables,your toys and stop having kids or you and yours better take some of the rap!


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    • Lion76 Lion76

      "corporations are people" I know what my course in life is, and it's not "destroying the Earth" I know where my blame lies… it lies with those buying nice houses and wining and dining on the weekends due to their direct affiliations with these destructive industrial psychopaths. I refuse to work in chemical/industrial plants and industries because I don't sell my soul. We all gotta drive cars, idiot. Stop with this tired line about how it's everyone's fault who lives in the modern world. I don't have an iphone on principle, and I have supported Tesla cars since day one. I also have paid for training in Photovoltaic system design and installation. So, I don't feel guilty.


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  • fill er up

    what a shame the big corps are doing the same to third worlders now so we can have our cheap junk and toys. what a self serving people americans turned out to be. time for free and mandatory spay and neuter of so called civilied people if fukushima doesnt spay and neuter us first!


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  • irhologram

    An image of the beauty we're giving up in the bayou. (See, I believe in a berm…at the very least of sandBAGS, but the Great Wall of China was do-able, and we can certainly do better than a rally big sandcastle on the beach.) This picture is worth much more than a thousand words. Http://www.viewbug.com/photo/2681929. This harmony is not only breathtaking…it's our WORLD…that I don't think we should give up without a fight.


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  • irhologram

    Combomelt. Yeah, that had me going to. But it's bogus. It's dubbed in. Numerous problems with the pixels, altered around the mouth, gestures and body posture not matching his words, and direction/volume of the voices from questioners relative to where they were actually standing. Debunked.


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  • fill er up

    you made your bed,now lie in it. all that will survive are rats and roaches.


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  • irhologram

    Fill er up. You're kidding, right? Many here did NOT buy into or sign up for this. And even if they did, you want us to embrace nihilism? Just give up? And so…even in the final test of humanity….fail…because we were unable to rise to the best in ourselves …because now it's just too uphill? This is the hand we were dealt. You want us to fold just because we don't like the hand…even though some cards remain in the deck that may be useful? Not a game changer, that. And it's wuss-ey.


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    • Lion76 Lion76

      He/She's either a really bad troll, a religious zealot, or has some other emotional problems. Maybe this is his/her way of dealing with things that are not in his/her control. The rest of us are trying a little more productive and responsible manner of going about change such as supporting truth about it and exposing lies. Creating public support for "alternatives" rather than throwing our hands up and saying "it's all hopeless and it's all YOUR faults" but we all know these people exist all around us. They are usually the ones complaining about politicians and school teachers as the root of all their failures yet they never offer any solutions or try to do anything else that would be considered "helpful" to anyone.


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  • irhologram

    Huh, my iPad opened a link I had been researching, then, instead of clicking through. Sorry.


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    The US nuke plants & nuke waste sites have had a really bad few years, but does it get the MSM attention?NO! BP only lasted long enough for BP to walk away for the people to suffer from their actions, then Fukushima blew up, the MSM dropped it like a rock! The crap going at Bayou Corne has not one day in the MSM, but it will! Keep GOD in your heart! Pray for all of man kind!


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    OK folks – want some reality to this sinkhole
    Here are the facts as of late

    http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/louisiana-sinkhole-questions-and-answers-and/

    Sonny Cranch and all the other LIARS ARE EXPOSED

    Again only if you want the truth

    Otherwise keep on sheeping on………….


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Someone please explain to me how it would even be possible to take water from the sinkhole, VIA Oxy 3A, which means the water would be coming from Oxy 3 since Oxy 3A is only a relief well going TO Oxy 3 for the purposes of extracting, and observation…and use that water, which surely is by then of a high enough salinity to be considered brine, and then USE it as "production" water in Oxy 2 to make more brine?

      Any liquids from the sinkhole that are going down through the sinkhole, and back up in to Oxy 3 would be the heavier high salinity water at the bottom, said to be 3 times the salinity of sea water, per Dr Hecox. Yet, the new wacko theory is that ALL this..the heavy rainfall, swamp overtopping and breaches were planned, so Texas Brine could attempt to make brine WITH brine?

      Ah yes, that's why Texas BRINE has been in business and so successful for so long. Because they have figured out how to make brine, with brine, instead of fresh water.

      LMAO! This one is the BESTEST!

      Also, read the once again of twisting of words. Sonny Cranch never "admitted" to using liquids from Oxy 3A to brine Oxy 2. He said… "Not sure what you’re asking. We did remove BRINE from OXY 3A and pumped it into #2 to RESEND IT OUT as brine, SINCE THERE IS NO CONNECTION from Oxy 3A to the BRINE pipeline.”

      Oxy 3A would indeed NOT have a connection to the brine pipeline since it was never drilled for that purpose.

      Bet all the guys are having a good laugh with their coffee this…


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    (cont'd)

    morning.

    I also don't see any "slip up" because Cranch knew the location of the well that supposedly " zoomed up in to outter space while "several resdients just happened to be passing by". The well number was given in the question.

    Sonny Cranch is a SPOKESPERSON for Texas Brine. Be sure that any questions he answered, he got clarification on, and not that he just decided to entertain fraudomrox all on his own.

    Too funny. Once again, NO sources given, NO names given….not even all these "residents" that happened to be driving by at the precise moment that well blew it's top. Just more twisted words. Now, WHY would these "residents" that hate Texas Brine so much NOT come forward with this information to, at the minimum, David Mitchell of The Advocate, let along the rest of the community? Well, besides those 10 that call themselves THE community???


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    Reading that was 5 minutes of my life I will never get back….


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    • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

      Thats 5 minutes more than you deserve


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        "timemachine2020
        May 14, 2013 at 11:13 pm · Reply
        Thats 5 minutes more than you deserve"

        Maybe so. But that doesn't stop me from wondering how either complete lies, or unsubstantiated crud like in that "article" can be posted on the internet and be taken seriously.

        I personally asked Mr Cranch about what was said of the ORW # 32 sailing 50 feet in to the air and "several residents" just happened to be passing by all at once, seeing this, as well as a couple TT workers. His response to me, was the exact same as mine was here, one day earlier before asking him.

        He also wonders why is that really happened, then why wasn't John, the sheriff, the news, or David Mitchell notified by those residents?

        But more importantly, he pointed out to me that the list of questions was handed to HIM….BEFORE the meeting, and that very question regarding ORW # 32 blowing it's top 50 feet in the air was on that list……..yet NO one….not one single person brought it up during the meeting. Not EVEN the local reporter that HANDED him the questions.

        And if the local reporter was aware of this supposedly happening, then David Mitchell would have been as well, and HE would have had the guts the question it AT the meeting in front of 300 people and live news cameras.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          "Question 8: Since Texas Brine stated that no other source exists for methane and that Hooker Oil Well #1 formation is depleted, then how do you explain ORW 32 blowing it’s top and the whole casing coming 140 ft. out of the ground?

          Sonny Cranch Answer to 8. “As for your other question about an event at one of the vent wells north of Hwy 70 (can’t remember the # you cited), there has been no such event. You might want to check your source.”

          (COMMENTARY: Mr. Cranch, the Well # is 32, Observation/Relief Well # 32. You seem to remember all Well #’s so far, but since these were written questions, then taking a moment to re-read it does not seem to be too much of an imposition. Several Residents were passing by on Hwy. 70 when ORW 32 popped it’s top and sailed 50 ft. into the swamp and the casing, which was sunken 160′ below ground, came rising up from the ground. It is amazing to me, that you know nothing about it, since several Tetra Tech employees were watching the spectacle as well. "

          Think about it

          Why wouldn't these several residents have reported this to any and everybody they could have?

          I don't have the hateon for TB that many do, especially these few residents that keep fraudomrox fed. But even if I would be driving down the hwy and see a well head blow 50 feet in to the air and the casing rise 160 I would have been screaming upset, reporting it, videoing it, utubing it, FBng it.

          Yet,it was only reported to fraudomrox. Right. Yep. Uh-huh.


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    New Flyover. don't remember the last time we got this good of a look around.. just over 3 minutes.. another unusual thing.. looks terrible, it seems much larger than they anticipated originally..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgKfbXd9JM


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Berm schmerm, do they actually believe that the toy berm that fails over and over again before its even gets completed will contain the radioactive stew that the fukucorne monster is spitting up? Guess when the next hurricane comes around it will be mother natures fault for the massive bayou and land contamination that will result? I don't know who is worse. Tepco or T.B. Neither of which are capable of dealing with the urgent life threatening catastrophies they have caused and failed miserably at containing. Then there are the decievers and trolls that always tell you that all is well. Their is so much crap leaking out from the stinkhole underground into the water tables and into the bayous its disgusting. Wonder why none of the dead fish that were piled up in the bayous ever got analyzed for cause of death and chemical contamination percentages? Its because they already knew and do NOT want the truth to get out of the truth of the REAL TOTAL contents of all the storage caverns. How naive to think that stuffing crap like what they keep in those salt caverns down mother natures throat won't come back up in their faces. How many salt dome accidents does it take to stop this invasive dumbass technology? Right behind the absurdity known as nuclear energy.


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      It certainly belies the idea that for profit corporations are good stewards of our lands, rivers, stream, and oceans. They have all the ability, know how and money when there is profit to be had, but when they screw up.. no money, no know how and the public suffers financially and with their health and very lives. Our way of doing business will be our demise. We do not hold companies accountable, the corporate structure is a facade that people hide behind so they do not have to suffer culpability. Once we start holding these entities accountable we might have a chance. If a corporation has a problem that causes damage to environment/people, how about a moratorium on ability to sell stock, if proven to have been caused by negligence in the name of cutting corners to garner more profit, how about all profit of said corp is put into a renewal fund for the next 5 years while no shares are allowed to be sold. How about real accountability aka jail time for executives.. they make the big bucks, they should suffer dire consequences when the environment is harmed.. and those are just starter ideas of change..


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        I love this idea. Freezing assets, freezing stock transactions and I would also go back a week or two and reverse any stock transactions preceding a major catastrophe to prevent informed parties from dumping stock. Should people who recently invested in a company be forced to pay for damages resulting from years and sometimes decades of neglect though? The stock market is a gamble. If some form of this type of control was instituted it may force investors to compel their companies to hold the environment in a bit higher regard than what we have seen in the past.


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    BIG Activity at sinkhole!!! Just took a look at the helicorders before calling it a night. Definitely something going on, I sure hope everyone stays safe. Get out while the gettin is good! http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/


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