TV: “Truly unsettling” discovery at Fukushima… problem “far greater than previously thought” — Boss reveals 600 tons of fuel melted, can’t find it — Top Official: “Nobody really knows where fuel is”… We may never be able to get it and just leave wherever — “Uncontrollable fission” is continuing under site (VIDEO)

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ABC Australia, May 24, 2016 (emphasis added): [ABC's Mark Willacy] has been invited on a tour of [Fukushima Daiichi]… What Willacy discovers is truly unsettling… retrieving hundreds of tonnes of melted nuclear fuel turns out to be far greater than previously thought.

ABC Australia transcript excerpts, May 24, 2016:

  • Willacy: Tonight we go on a journey into the heart of this ongoing crisis… and we reveal the frightening enormity of the clean-up… and how dangerous it still is.
  • Gregory Jaczko, former Chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission: This really is unchartered territory. Nobody really knows where the fuel is… There’s no playbook – they’re making this up as they go along.
  • Willacy: The man in charge of decontaminating and decommissioning the Fukushima plant, Naohiro Masuda. Has anything like this ever been attempted before?
  • Masuda: There has never been an accident at a nuclear plant like the one at Fukushima where three reactors had meltdowns. We are currently working on a timetable to decommission the reactors over the next 30 to 40 years.
  • Naoto Kan, Former Prime Minister: I think it will take longer… This is a major accident, which has never happened anywhere in the world… 40 years is an optimistic view.
  • Willacy: We are heading to the buildings housing the melted reactors… Tepco is worried about possible nuclear terrorism, and won’t allow us to film certain security sites.
  • Masuda: This is a job we’ve never done and there is no textbook.
  • Willacy: [At Reactor 3 there was an] explosion right after the nuclear fuel melted… What happened inside [Reactor 2] no-one really knows… [Reactor 1] is where probably the worst meltdown occurred. They don’t know where the nuclear fuel is.
  • Masuda: We haven’t actually seen where the melted fuel fell, so it’s important to find it as soon as possible.
  • Willacy: For the first time, Foreign Correspondent can reveal just how vast the amount of melted nuclear fuel is, the three molten blobs that lie somewhere deep within each of these buildings.
  • Masuda: It’s estimated that 200 tonnes of debris lies within each unit… 600 tonnes of melted debris fuel and a mixture of concrete and other metals are likely to be here.
  • Willacy: The most daunting task, one the nuclear industry has never faced, is getting the melted fuel out. TEPCO admits the technology it needs hasn’t been invented.
  • Jaczko: It may be possible that we’re never able to remove the fuel. You may just wind up having to leave it there and somehow entomb it as it is. I mean that’s certainly a possibility. There is no playbook, they’re making this up as they go along.
  • Kan: If all the reactors had had a meltdown, there was a risk that half or all of Japan could have been destroyed… the accident took us to the brink of destruction.
  • Jaczko: You have to now accept that in all nuclear power plants… there’s a chance you can have this kind of a very catastrophic accident… that’s the reality of nuclear power.

ABC Australia, May 24, 2016: Fukushima clean-up chief still hunting for 600 tonnes of melted radioactive fuel… [TEPCO] has revealed that 600 tonnes of reactor fuel melted during the disaster, and that the exact location of the highly radioactive blobs remains a mystery… [C]hief of decommissioning at Fukushima, Naohiro Masuda, said the company hoped to… begin removing it from 2021… “But unfortunately, we don’t know exactly where (the fuel) is” [said Masuda]. [Gregory Jaczko, Chairman of the US NRC] at the time of the meltdowns at Fukushima doubts the fuel can be retrieved… “Nobody really knows where the fuel is… It may be possible that we’re never able to remove the fuel. You may just have to wind up leaving it there and somehow entomb it as it is.”… For the first time, TEPCO has revealed just how much of the mostly uranium fuel melted down… [Masuda said] “about 600 tonnes of melted debris fuel and a mixture of concrete and other metals are likely to be there.”

RT, May 24, 2016: 600 tons of melted radioactive Fukushima fuel still not found, clean-up chief reveals… [The fuel] burnt through the respective reactor pressure vessels, concentrating somewhere on the lower levels of the station… fuel from Reactor 1 poured out completely… the exact location of the highly radioactive “runaway” fuel remains mystery for TEPCO. The absolutely uncontrollable fission of the melted nuclear fuel assemblies continue somewhere under the remains of the station… [TEPCO's] plan for Fukushima nuclear power plant implies a 30-40 year period… Yet experts doubt the present state of technology is sufficient to deal with the unprecedented technical task.

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  • Nick

    "For the first time in almost two years, the sun is blank–no sunspots! Credit: SDO/HMI"

    http://spaceweather.com/images2016/07jun16/hmi1898.gif?PHPSESSID=515ehgrfuofaa4oaf80t50afp6

    "15 Sep 10 – According to an article today in Science, the magnetic
    field strength of sunspots appears to be waning. If the trend continues,
    the sun may become spotless by 2016 and remain that way for decades.
    A similar dearth of sunspots in the 17th century coincided with a
    prolonged period of cooling on Earth (the Little Ice Age)."

    http://www.iceagenow.com/Sunspots_and_global_cooling.htm


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    • You are nailing it Nick.

      As a Stock trader, I am a true contrarian.

      I revel at the thought, and laugh, at how 98% of the humans will be shocked when we get a mini ice age rather than a global warming….

      I just finished cutting and splitting 12 cords of Oak…..65,000 lbs of wood, drying nicely.


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      • Don't disagree about the relationship between sun and Ice Ages. But that does not do away with human causation of global warming right now.

        The only question is why the Earth is warming up rapidly right now, despite a natural cooling cycle that is supposed to be happening.

        If the planet were REALLY cooling, wouldn't you agree Stock, that the glaciers and ice caps would be GROWING, and that the sea levels would be DROPPING all over the world?

        Instead, the opposite is happening.

        Accelerating Antarctic Ice Sheet Melt, Antarctic Glaciers Receding; via @AGreenRoad
        http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/02/accelerating-antarctic-ice-sheet-melt.html


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      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        You must be figurin that there mini ice age is gonna start next week sometime eh?


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          We are warming and will continue to warm and if we do head into another ice age my thoughts are the axis would have to tip and/or the ocean currents would have to stop or change direction.

          Of course this could happen at any time, but then, I am thinking this is pretty easy money.

          We see all kinds of erratic climate behaviors happening now all over the world these days.

          Last I checked no one is burning less energy in their lives.


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          • DUDe DUDe

            "..and/or the ocean currents would have to stop or change direction.."

            Hi obe , that was been predicted to happen as a result of the warming iirc..


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Drove by a large shopping center located in the boonies. As I stopped on the side of the complex and got out of my craft I smelled what appeared to be propane in volume in the craft parking lot. Gag quantities.

              I presided to call the largest store in the complex and asked if they were on propane?
              She stated yes and I told her my tale. She then stated that the fire department had just requested a new relief valve on the complexes massive propane tank two weeks ago.

              Good thing I did not light one up! This is one tank out of millions maybe billions of tanks leaking all over the world daily.

              Why this bet is very easy money. :)

              3 pound apes have no clue what it is that they are actually doing.


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            The greenhouse gas carbon dioxide is food for plants, not a toxin. Not only is co2 just 3.62% of the greenhouse gas, the major one being water vapor, mans addition to c02 is very small, only 3.4%. So for every 800 balloons of greenhouse gas made by animals and nature, man contributes one balloon. A change in the ocean to atmosphere Co2 exchange could totally outweigh such a small contribution by mankind.

            Another way to look at it; dont demonize Co2 and its output by man, instead emphasize that man should stop killing all the animals and cutting down the trees and polluting everything.

            Man cut down the trees. Planet earth was covered in trees, the forests and oceans filled with animal life. Plants are the solar collector food machines; all wealth other than mined metals ultimately comes from the sun with trees and plants as the conversion engine, synthesizing carbohydrate molecules from carbon dioxide and water. Sun and plants, a few ideas and a group effort is what wealth is, not money which is just an exchange medium. When all the trees are cut down and all the fish are gone, man wont have any wealth at all.


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Global climate change…it seems this is the only cause of any problem according to our best and brightest scientists. I love science but scientists are letting us down.

              It is said that termites make 10 x more greenhouse gas than minkind. If true, a 10% increase in termite numbers would equal mans climate change gas output. The difference is that Co2 from oil burning was stored much longer than C02 from trees eaten by termites, so in a way we are adding more than just exchanging in the short period. But theres more to it;

              There are about 3 trillion trees on the planet today but this represents just 45 per cent of the total number of trees that had existed before the rise of humans. We are cutting them down at the rate of about 15 billion a year. In 300 yeats man will have cut down all the trees.

              But this wont happen because man will perish before then. One main reason is that all children will be born mentally retarded in about 30 years at the current rate and the 400+ nuclear reactors will meltdown and explode making earth uninhabitable.

              Anyway, its easy to see that with less than half the trees and half the plankton, man has dramatically altered the C02 exchange ecology. I could see taxing (or impaling) the people who cut down trees, exploit degrade and poison the ocean air and land. But taxing the one balloon of mans greenhouse gas out of the 800 natural ones seems a little misguided.


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              • Mass extinctions due to rapidly escalating levels of CO2 are recorded since as long as 580 million years ago. ….As our anthropogenic global emissions of CO2 are rising, at a rate for which no precedence is known from the geological record with the exception of asteroid impacts, another wave of extinctions is unfolding.Throughout the Phanerozoic (from 542 million years ago), major mass extinctions of species closely coincided with abrupt rises of atmospheric carbon dioxide and ocean acidity. These increases took place at rates to which many species could not adapt. These events – triggered by asteroid impacts, massive volcanic activity, eruption of methane, ocean anoxia and extreme rates of glaciation (see Figures 1 and 2) – have direct implications for the effects of the current rise of CO2.
                http://theconversation.com/another-link-between-co2-and-mass-extinctions-of-species-12906


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Co2…is Co2 reaching a dangerous runaway level? Look at the historical levels. Those are geological ages and you can see we are at the very lowest levels of Co2 historically

                http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Phanerozoic_CO2.gif

                Somehow the spin master money grubbers got all the people PLUS the scientists frightened for their lives because of carbon, but hardly a peep about the fact we have lost over half the animals in 50 years, 90% of top ocean species, half the plankton and over half the trees, and then dumped nuclear fallout poison on the remaining polluted fractured plastic filled garbage dump of a planet.

                This is one reason I can hardly stand people and their science communities; Misguided three pound ape brains, unable and unwilling to see the big picture


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                • You are comparing times when there was NO LIFE on the planet to now. Very unfair comparison.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    yes…and no. The last 100 million years was full on life. Look at the last 100 million year Co2 levels here

                    http://www.paulmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/co2-levels-over-time1.jpg

                    My point was that we are given an image of wild and huge out of control immanently catastrophic Co2 rise…but, whether true or not true, we can see in a historical perspective, its not the way its presented in the media and science public release copy


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I would also like to point out the fallibility of our scientists and authoritative institutes. Indeed, you would have as good a chance predicting the future as these men of great knowledge and letters

                      "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." — Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

                      "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." — Lord Kelvin, President, Royal Society, 1895

                      "All attempts at artificial aviation are not only dangerous to life but doomed to failure from an engineering standpoint." — editor of 'The Times' of London, 1905

                      "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." — Popular Mechanics, 1949

                      " What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?"
                      The Quarterly Review, March, 1825.

                      "Hence, if it requires, say, a thousand years to fit for easy flight a bird which started with rudimentary wings, or ten thousand for one which started with no wings at all and had to sprout them ab initio, it might be assumed that the flying machine which will really fly might be evolved by the combined and continuous efforts of mathematicians and mechanicians in from one million to ten million years–provided, of course, we can meanwhile eliminate such little drawbacks and embarrassments as the existing relation between weight and strength in inorganic materials. "
                      The New York Times, Oct 9, 1903,


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                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  It does get tiring. Using the logic of the nuke industry, why worry about global warming or CO2 in the first place?

                  We're living on the edge and the technology doesn't exist to fix our mistakes. But in 200 years, maybe it will. If they can fix Fuku then, surely they can fix a little global warming.

                  Yet they sell nuclear as a fix for global warming, but the fix for the fix?

                  Jack Daniels?


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            • Yea, just a little harmless CO2, CO and Nitrogen gases, nothing to worry about, totally harmless.

              With increasing levels of carbon dioxide accumulating in the atmosphere and moving into marine ecosystems, the world's oceans are becoming more acidic. The oceans may be acidifying faster today than at any time in the past 300 million years, scientists have found.
              http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=132548&org=NSF&from=news

              Due to additional CO2 in the air, which absorbs and holds heat in, the oceans are becoming more acid and are heating up, from the top down, as they absorb this additional heat from the air. This means that ice in contact with the oceans melts faster. CO2 levels are increasing in oceans around the world.
              http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012GL051106.shtml

              Oceans act as a CO2 'sponge', soaking up excess CO2 and heat, produced by burning massive amounts of fossil fuels. What effect and impact is this 'sponge' process having?
              Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWavASvlYSo 12 min


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            • Kind of like body temperature. Who cares if the temp only goes up a couple percent, from 98 to 105?

              Heat stroke occurs when thermoregulation is overwhelmed by a combination of excessive metabolic production of heat (exertion), excessive environmental heat, and insufficient or impaired heat loss, resulting in an abnormally high body temperature.[7] In severe cases, temperatures can exceed 40 °C (104 °F).[8] Heat stroke may be non-exertional (classic) or exertional.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia

              Oops, death is certain at 105, just a couple wee degrees above 98..

              Nature is all about balance.

              Humans seem to be all about a war against Nature and fighting against any sort of balance or harmony with Nature.


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Dr G, whats your take on it; is global warming caused by too much anthropogenic Co2 release (0.12%), or because we have cut down half the Co2 breathing trees and killed half the plankton?


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                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Hey code do me a favor today when you are at home.

                  Instead of turning that nice comfy A/C unit on, crank up that forced air heater instead as an experiment.

                  Let me know if the room gets/feels any hotter? :)

                  You do understand just how much "Heat" we humans are creating with or combined cleverness all over the world on daily basis correct?

                  Now here is a another exercise for you.

                  Go out and buy a gallon of fresh gas and please find the freshest gasoline you can find.

                  Then I would like you to place that gas in a pickle bucket and take the lid off.

                  Place that pickle bucket in your house or say a bedroom and close all the windows and then see if all those fumes bother you at all.

                  Check and see how long you can take the VOCs being released in your closed quarters and then for some real fun..crank up the heat to say 90 or 95 degrees and see if there is any difference in your comfort levels.

                  Earth can't take much more..just like you could not take this pickle bucket experiment for any length of time.


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                • Code, is there anyone that you recommend as an expert in this field of CO2 being harmless and never ending increases are just fine?


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Dr G, somehow this reminds me of hormesis. Some people (ahem) took all my humble posts about potassium, argued them to death and concluded I was pushing hormesis.

                    Let me spell it out clearly; I dont think mankind should release all the oil Co2 stores in a short period of time, or ever. I believe man should make an abrupt change in energy use and generation and habits of exploitation.

                    Now talking about how toxic Co2 is…dont you think we should at least not put Co2 on the same mental and discussion framework as a true toxin, like pesticides and nuclear fallout? Its part of your biology, plant food. More than harmless, its a requirement. I never said never ending increases are just fine, that is you putting words in my mouth. Can you see it?

                    I think my posts above, although perhaps containing errors, speak for themselves. What we want is the correct mental image, the right ballpark feel for whats going on.

                    I said to put it into perspective, look at the historical record, realize that a termite increase of 10% is equivalent to mans input, realize that of all the greenhouse gas action going on, that mans part is one balloon in eight hundred balloons. Realize we cut down more than half the trees and plankton which sequester Co2. Did clear cutting trees make more termites? Who knows. Science is just starting to figure out the complex global thermodynamics. They may have a long way to go. Return to natures balance, that is the best you can do.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      We dont want hysteria if hysteria is not called for, and we want some hysteria when it is. Im saying be careful about carbon hysteria in light of the profit motive. Im not saying burn oil freely until its all gone. If man survives, we will want precious oil for lubrication and many things. By the way, dont pollute all the salt domes with nuclear and oil.

                      My intuition tells me hysteria over carbon is missplaced. The true urgent concern should be about the toxic nature of oil and gas burning, the cutting down of trees and the poisoning of the air land and sea with thousands of actually toxic chemicals, not the least of which is nuclear fallout.

                      Homes should have passive solar heating. The world should go vegetarian, stop clear cutting the forests. Stop with the plastic already. Put your urgent concern where urgent concern is needed. Dr G doesnt know what the true dynamic and fate of global thermodynamics is, and neither do scientists. They have been caught messing with the data, that should be a cause for concern right there. Yes, reduce our rapid release of carbon stores. We arent ADDING any, just moving it around


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..Return to natures balance, that is the best you can do.."

                      It is the only thing that worked as far as we know (but dont ask infinite economic growth for the elite fishheads like greenspan)..so its the only thing we can do indeed..

                      And dont be afraid to put 1+1 equals 2 firmly in one sentence..

                      To get it ("plantfood") out of the air , you need plants..oops..their gone.. 95% of the forests on this planet have been decimated since we passed by with our firestick that we then used to melt axes and chainsaws and so on..

                      We are very late in the story to wake up..oops..we are not awake yet..


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..We arent ADDING any, just moving it around.."

                      In a matrix of balances finetuned for humble life that we have no clue about how it works and if it was ready for our kind of activity..


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DUDe, I think it remains an important distinction. We are adding all kinds of toxic chemical poison never before seen on earth. Carbon dioxide is not like that. It was there, its in the trees, it moves around here and there up and down in and out. Its an absolutely fundamental biological requirement for plant and animal. Some of it was in the oil and we are moving it up. There are many poisons and soot and whatever associated with oil exploitation that are toxic, but Co2 should not be put in that category, as an mental emotional image, as a point of hysteria


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      I think we are wasting time Code..i never said it is the carbon itself that will kill us..altough replacing oxigen for carbon does not look smart..
                      It is nothing less then toxic to the Balance that nurtured us in to being..and i sure think our lack of histeria is an insult to its amazing architecture at one hand..and how it is mandatory needed to stay within certain parametres for us to survive on the other..


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      DUDe, well inasmuch as our writings have little or no impact, yes we waste our time. On the hand, Im not arguing here, Im bringing a little understanding to the issue, so in that respect I dont consider MY writings entirely devoid of thoughtful content.

                      Let me put it this way…the scientists that are pushing global warming are in the same status as the ones who say its climate change that is causing all the ocean die offs and has nothing to do with 10,000 dirty Hiroshima bombs.


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                    • razzz razzz

                      CodeShutdown: Looks like you have developed an internet conscious or maybe it is a dark shadow. If you discover a loss of blood, have the ghost excised.


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..Let me put it this way…the scientists that are pushing global warming are in the same status as the ones who say its climate change that is causing all the ocean die offs and has nothing to do with 10,000 dirty Hiroshima bombs.."

                      Climate change dont care for that circus of hyjackers you are talking about..


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      @razz : projection much ? Eat me !


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..On the hand, Im not arguing here, Im bringing a little understanding to the issue, so in that respect I dont consider MY writings entirely devoid of thoughtful conten.."

                      Sorry i sounded like that..


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha)

                      Nuclear Energy Causes Global Warming
                      http://www.globalresearch.ca/nuclear-energy-causes-global-warming/20231

                      The entire nuclear fuel cycle is extremely fossil fuel intensive.

                      And BOTH nuclear fission and radioactive decay cause global warming from heat produced. Radioactive decay for some radioactive isotopes used in nuclear energy is over 1,000,000 years. There is still heat anomalies off the Japan coast from the Fukushima nuclear catastrophe. That heating will continue heating the planet for over one million years.


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha)

                      Nuclear technology is destroying the atmosphere and allowing the sun to heat up the earth.

                      The UV index in Longmont, CO on this Friday will be extreme, 11.4, between 1-2 p.m.
                      http://uv.willyweather.com/co/boulder-county/longmont.html


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                    • Code, it is not about the heating from burning carbon fuels, which produces CO2.

                      It is about what CO2 does after that, as it acts like a blanket, holding in the SOLAR heat that comes in no matter what humans do.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Doc..it's a/the combination of both in unison.

                      Turn on your A/C when it is 100 degrees outside and crank that A/C down to 70 degrees and then turn on your oven to 450 degrees and bake 10 pies.

                      Let me know how that works out for you.

                      I know women wanting to do this kind of thing all the time.

                      Energy is energy in all it's varied forms.

                      Makes perfect sense..


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      right Dr G, I know about the greenhouse effect. The stuff about man warming the earth with his waste heat was more or less in response to obe and the others. Whether its coal or nuclear, or baking pies, using the AC and hair dryers, mans heat addition is minuscule. I showed that above.

                      The Co2 is a different story, as you say. But also the soot, cutting down the trees and wiping out the plankton and other animals. Cloud seeding by plankton and bacteria could turn out to be a huge driver of climate. If we get into a runaway situation, with methane melting, id could be catastrophe for humans, with oceans rising several hundred feet. I dont rule that out. On the other hand, I put it into perspective; man will have killed the planet before climate change will. And Co2 exhausting by humans, a mere 0.12% of the greenhouse gas, might be a hysteria whereas tree cutting might cause the real problems

                      http://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2015/07/18/how_plankton_produce_clouds_109309.html


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Climate change and plankton. People were talking about Fukushima warming the ocean. Its not happening directly, but I followed my intuition to plankton as a possible secondary climate driver.

                      plankton reduces the amount of solar energy absorbed by roughly 4 watts per square meter over the course of a year because of cloud seeding. Thats

                      620,000,000,000,000 watts over the Pacific ocean

                      anual energy consumption of man 12,300,000,000,000 watts

                      Based on those ballpark numbers, plankton has 50 times the effectiveness at altering global temperature as mans use of coal, nuclear and all heating devices.

                      This should add to the overview of global climate change; Man knows less than he doesnt know…far less. The proof is the exponential rise in discovery. The only safe way is to follow natures way. To geoengineer the earth is to be a stupid moron, and will end in disaster.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Eff it…Annual, not anual. Spanish has the more logical language


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                • CodeShutdown
                  June 7, 2016 at 10:57 pm · Reply
                  Dr G, whats your take on it; is global warming caused by too much anthropogenic Co2 release (0.12%), or because we have cut down half the Co2 breathing trees and killed half the plankton?

                  1. Fighting Nature, war on Nature
                  2. Separation from One Self
                  3. Excess emissions of CO2, methane, etc
                  4. Excess Radioactive Carbon from nuclear et al
                  5. Cutting down old growth forests
                  6. Clearcutting
                  7. Monoculture
                  8. Modern factory farms, using carbon products
                  9. Killing the oceans, plankton, algae, all life
                  10. Excess chemical use
                  11. Media monopoly
                  12. Control of countries by corrupted bankers and 1 percent


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Thanks Dr G for the clear enumerated list. I would not have ordered them that way. Is it fair to say neither of us are experts or even qualified in any way about global thermodynamics?

                    Lets look at number 5. I read that it would take a forest the size of Spain to offset mans Co2 emissions. Considering that we have cut down more than half the trees in the world, it might be a ballpark and reasonable idea that we could move the cutting of trees up from its fifth position.

                    Look at plankton at ninth place. I read we have 40% less plankton. I believe plankton is one of the greatest Co2 sinks, equal to trees. Maybe ninth place is too far down the list?

                    Number 2, this could be cause of number one, so perhaps should be the first. Number one isnt quite right in my mind because large scale exploitation is a kind of mindless profit motive thing rather than anger and conquest driven thing like war.

                    Thanks for the effort, it helps put your perspective into clarity


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              • DUDe DUDe

                Imho percentages mean Nothing when talking about balances..one drop can be the one that causes the bucket to overflow..no matter how big the "bucket" is..how many more percentages..and if the bucket/matrix of balances is alive and has an living mechanisme/algoritme to regulate the volumes of everything including the water..but mankind destroyed it first on ALL LEVELS and then starts pouring extra water..whilest denying it can make a difference because the bucket is used to it..and the small percentage si and la and etc..give mankind a straightjacket already lol..


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                • DUDe DUDe

                  Its a similar illusion about percentage between the manmade radioactive fukushima pollution in the ocean and natural radioactivity in the ocean..its not about percentages..


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                  • DUDe DUDe

                    But ofcourse..with the mentallity of "dont fix anything unless its broken" aka wait till its too late..we are going to stop blasting carbon in the air when the icesheets are melted..and the forest's and the algea are gone..meaning the planet cant recover again at speeds living things can notice..it will probably have to make a full cycle of geological activity etc again before a reasonable condition has settled down again..

                    Today i woke up from the shaking of my house from the thunders..i mean scary shaking ..a nearby village got heavy waterdamage..


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I just dont think carbon credits is the way to stop mans grotesque exploitation of oil, tree and animal.


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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      I agree absolutely Code..that is just using the old ways of thinking to fix the problem it created..
                      We need a total reset of the way we have our economy's and non existing ecology organised..
                      It should become one and the same..


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                • DUDe DUDe

                  My straightjacket comment was for humanity as a whole btw..


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                  • DUDe DUDe

                    And sorry for my tone today Code and all..me itchy like the planet..i diddnt wanne argue perse either..is just the image of it all..discussion included..the place is heating up exponentially..or so the dominos are being set by itself..a runaway reaction…we know that..yes indeed fuku and nuclear melting chainreaction would be even more desastreus then a runaway climate in the short term..sterilisation..
                    But if we think it is inevitable in our current days that a next meltdown in a collapsing building because being plastered with fake licences cant hold it any longer against a cough and a wind..is on the horizon somewhere soon..potential dominos..climate runaway will only reinforce inevitability and short the timeframe we have left..and the number of accidents..
                    And i dont know who im arguing with..the undercritical mass arguing i suppose..was not ment at you personally..

                    Everything is a matter of balance..fact is we living on a warming planet and weather has become a danger..we adding artificial heat and a extra and artificial layer on top of a living blanket, a balance..living because the whole system is alive..and humanity argues how much it shall change its behaviour..if any..or see if it can fix the balance with futile and besides the point carbontaxes..to postpone renewables..i'm in europe and dont feel cosy watching how the seastreams will change and cause an ice-age here..maybe also with extreme other weather..
                    But its all being said already by all..


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          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Bicycling only for a full year now.

            God, won't ya buy me a Mercedes Benz?

            And insurance, license tags, taxes paid

            And a decent job or a winning Powerball ticket and free gas?

            or a cabin in the woods, 40 acres and a mule?

            and mule chow?

            Oh, I'm using way less energy, but it's not easy.


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    • a song for the masses whichever you are, sealife, human, etc…
      Listen to this sleeper from the late MIles Davis. it sums up without words what raw feeling is…and Miles sounds like a whale towards the end of this 30 min side of one of his great albums

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fc_-VZlkcM


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  • laconic93 laconic93

    Hmmm China issues a Travel Warning to Japan over radiation at the same time the Navy bans sailors from traveling.. Coincidence????

    http://english.cri.cn/12394/2016/06/07/3521s930132.htm


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      From Iaconics post above. "The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., on June 1 admitted, for the first time ever, that its insistence on simply calling the tragedy "nuclear reactor damage" in the past five years had "hidden the truth."

      According to Ken Buesseler, marine radio chemist with the U.S. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, the consequences of the Fukushima nuclear incident were "unprecedented," since over 80 percent of the leaked radioactive substances have flown into the sea.
      "


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "The Environment Ministry on Tuesday drew up a basic plan to use soil contaminated with radioactive substances from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant to build roads.

    "Under the basic plan, tainted soil with relatively low radioactive cesium concentrations of up to 5,000 to 8,000 becquerels per kilogram will be used to form the base layer of roads.

    Radioactive soil to be used in base layer for new roads
    June 7 2016

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06/07/national/radioactive-soil-to-be-used-in-base-layer-for-new-roads/#.V1cKho-cFlZ

    This level will then be covered with uncontaminated soil, asphalt and other material with at a thickness of at least 50 to 100 cm."

    Does anyone believe they will hold to the cesium limits?
    Does anyone actually not understand, that the cesium will leach in to dirt, the ditches and the groundwater?

    Oh, safe levels..
    Here have a dose of risk control..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    And the fact that it's active fission, that's called ..PRODUCTION..

    PS.. Be back in a bit.


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    • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

      Using CodeShutdown's line of reason on this could be derived as: "Production but not higher than Background Production or Prolifirated Production". I will check out GOM's flack jacket later.


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  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    https://dunrenard.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/japanese-govt-withheld-report-on-chernobyl-disasters-health-effects/

    “Nondisclosure of the report was also intended to avoid causing fear among people in Fukushima. It was also aimed at preventing harmful rumors.”


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  • Nick

    So….we don't know where up to 1/3 of Fukushima's death blobs are.

    Yet we are NOT told what happened to the other 2/3's either.

    The Common Spent Fuel Pool is a concern.

    Heck, for that matter ALL nuclear endeavors planetwide are a concern.

    The stuff emits invisible death, so it is easy to LIE about.

    So be it.

    Moi?

    I give us 3 years.


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  • Logging in long hours in eugene. Still just job searching. Havent found anything I qualify for specifically without needed certifications.
    Got phone and rent paid. Have a couch and coffee table. No tv or cable / internet up yet. Slow start and need to find work asap. Thanks for followi g my saga guys!

    Cheers
    Tg
    Sorry still minimal connectivity. So ot/
    Miss you guys and having actual conversations. Oh and met a new friend! First one here:)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh, ya, hell ya. We're having a decrease in nuclear proliferation??
    Let's just smear some more on like demon's excrement.

    Ships with plutonium from Japan arrive in U.S.
    June 7 2016

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06/07/national/ships-plutonium-japan-arrive-u-s/#.V1ctPo-cEcB


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    • Angela_R

      Yes Heart,

      Pulled from the underground, it was named after Pluto, it is his waste.


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    • razzz razzz

      You know it is cheaper to mine and process fresh uranium compared to reprocessing spent fuel for extracting uranium or plutonium, the energy to do it and chemical wastes are tremendous. Seems all destine for WIPP since WIPP is on a fast track to be reopened come hell or high water. Plutonium stockpiles keep piling up with no where to go. Used in a fabricated nuke war, earth would be destroyed.

      From Heart of the Rose's 'The Japan Times' link above:

      "…At the beginning of 2015, Japan’s total stockpile of plutonium generated by its nuclear power plants was estimated at about 47.8 tons, of which about 10.8 tons was in Japan.

      The rest was stored in France and the United Kingdom, where it had been sent for reprocessing.

      Disposing of plutonium and highly enriched uranium remains one of Japan’s greatest challenges as the government and power companies seek to restart idled nuclear power plants.

      Currently, only two reactors, Kyushu Electric Power Co.’s Sendai No. 1 and 2 reactors, are generating electricity. The remaining 43 commercial-use reactors are offline in the wake of the Fukushima crisis.

      Estimates show that even if more restarts take place, the spent fuel pools at most reactors will be filled to capacity within about a dozen years.

      However, for some, this could be in as little as six years.

      Questions also remain over what should happen to the spent nuclear fuel currently sitting in the U.K. and France if it is not returned to Japan."


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  • Sol Man

    They say: Never let a crisis go to waste! But, why?

    Because the taxpayers will be saddled with whatever costs for "the fix" forever. Some owners' corporations will make a ton o' money.

    As far as crisis, it can't get much worse than this.


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  • Max Sievert Max Sievert

    Measurement of background gamma radiation in the
    northern Marshall Islands
    Sixty-seven nuclear tests were conducted on two atolls in the
    northern Marshall Islands between 1946 and 1958. These tests
    produced radioactive fallout, which even today gives rise to
    radiation measurable above naturally occurring background
    levels. Rather than obtain new data, recent estimates of con-
    tamination levels in the northern Marshall Islands use mea-
    surements made decades ago to calculate present radiation
    levels. In contrast, we report on timely measurements on three
    different atolls, and also provide detailed fits and simulated
    maps across several islands, including the islands of Bikini and
    Rongelap. … http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2016/06/01/1605535113.full.pdf


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  • any 7.0 activity in japan recently? It seems due for a rocker soon. I hadnt read up on earthquakes lately though. Just curious ty


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha)

    Too Much Carbon Dioxide May Have Caused Earth’s Worst Mass Extinction
    Apr 13, 2015
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/13/3646211/boom-youre-dead/


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  • rogerthat

    off topic:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-07/was-hillary-caught-colluding-ap-announce-delegate-win-california

    Was Hillary Caught Colluding With AP To Announce Delegate Win Before California
    Jun 7, 2016

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-07/symbolic-end-farcical-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-th

    How Hillary Clinton "Clinched "The Nomination On A Day Nobody Voted
    Jun 7, 2016


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  • rogerthat

    gobbledegook:

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160607_29/

    Tuesday, June 7
    Govt. sets criteria for recycling Fukushima waste


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  • rogerthat

    https://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/atomicage/

    EPA PROPOSES SHOCKING THOUSAND-FOLD INCREASE IN RADIOACTIVITY ALLOWED IN DRINKING WATER via Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS)

    Proposal Would Permit Radiation Exposures Equivalent to 250 Chest X-Rays a Year

    Washington, D.C. – Yesterday, the U.S. EPA quietly issued proposals to allow radioactive contamination in drinking water at concentrations vastly greater than allowed under the Safe Drinking Water Act. The new guidance would permit radiation exposures equivalent to 250 chest X-rays a year. Today, environmental groups called the proposal “shocking” and “egregious.”

    The EPA proposed Protective Action Guides (PAGs) would allow the general population to drink water hundreds to thousands of times more radioactive than is now legal. For example, radioactive iodine-131 has a current limit of 3 pico-curies per liter (pCi/L), in water but the new guidance would allow 10,350 (pCi/L), 3,450 times higher. For strontium-90, which causes leukemia, the current limit is 8 pCi/L; the new proposed value is 7,400 pCi/L, a 925-fold increase.

    “Clean Water is essential for health. Just like lead, radiation when ingested in small amounts is very hazardous to our health. It is inconceivable that EPA could now quietly propose allowing enormous increases in radioactive contamination with no action to protect the public, even if concentrations are a thousand times higher than under the Safe Drinking Water Act,” said …


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    • rogerthat

      Dr. Catherine Thomasson, Executive Director of Physicians for Social Responsibility.

      The Bush Administration in its last days unsuccessfully tried to put forward similar proposals, which the incoming Obama Administration pulled back. Now, in the waning months of the Obama Administration, EPA’s radiation office is trying again.

      “These levels are even higher than those proposed by the Bush Administration—really unprecedented and shocking,” said Diane D’Arrigo, Nuclear Information and Resource Service.

      The Bush Administration proposal for strontium 90 was 6,650 pCi/L; the new proposal is 7,400 pCi/L. For iodine-131, the Bush proposal was 8,490 pCi/L; the new proposal is 10,350 pCi/L. For cesium-137, the proposal was for 13,600 pCi/L; Obama “beats” Bush with a value of 16,570 pCi/L.

      All radionuclides can cause cancer and other health and reproductive problems; there is no completely safe level. Strontium causes bone cancer and leukemia. Babies, children, and females are at even greater risk than adult males.

      PAGs apply not just to emergencies such as “dirty bombs,” and Fukushima-type nuclear power meltdowns but also to any radiological release for which a protective action may be considered – even a radiopharmaceutical transport spill. The proposed drinking water PAG would apply not to the immediate phase after a release, but rather to the intermediate phase, after the release has been stabilized, and lasting up to several years thereafter. …


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        Radiation doses (in rems) cannot be measured but are calculated based on some measurements and many assumptions. The current Safe Drinking Water Act limits are based on 4 millirems per year. The PAGs would allow 500 millirems per year for the general population. A single chest X-ray gives about 2 millirems. Because of the way EPA is changing the definition of dose, for many radionuclides, the allowable concentration would be thousands, tens of thousands, and even millions of times higher than set under the Safe Drinking Water Act.

        Internal EPA documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act [links below] show that the EPA itself concluded that the proposed concentrations “would exceed MCLs [Maximum Contaminant Limits of the Safe Drinking Water Act] by a factor of 100, 1000, and in two instances, 7 million.” The EPA internal analysis showed that for one radionuclide, “drinking a very small glass of water of approximately 4 ounces … would result in an exposure that corresponds to a lifetime of drinking … water … at the MCL level.”

        “All of this is extraordinary, since EPA has recently accepted the National Academy of Sciences’ most current risk estimates for radiation, indicating radiation is considerably more dangerous per unit dose than previously believed,” said D’Arrigo. “Pushing allowable concentrations of radioactivity in drinking water up orders of magnitude above the longstanding Safe Drinking Water Act levels …


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    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      This is ludicrous! The US nuclear regulatory oversight repeatedly gives the nuclear industry a free pass to poison the air land and water. The EPA ASKING to allow unacceptable, unprecedented amounts of the most toxic substances known to man to be allowed and even encouraged in our drinking water is the most ridiculous proposal I have seen yet! Anyone at the EPA who condones this request, or even those who do not stand up and profess the ridiculousness of it should be asked to step down. Environmental protection?? Bull!!

      The more the nuclear industry poisons our earth the more we are asked by our government to accept it as "normal", "background" and "safe". It's there because we allowed it to be there, therefore it is normal?? Safe?? Less toxic?? Get over it?? Just deal with it? Drink it??

      You have GOT to be kidding me!

      Unbelievable!


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      The EPA is corrupt and plenty of those people should be fired, and put in rehabilitation


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  • rogerthat

    https://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/atomicage/2016/06/06/nuclear-industry-worldwide-faces-escalating-battle-to-keep-aging-reactors-running-via-ecowatch/

    Nuclear Industry Worldwide Faces Escalating Battle to Keep Aging Reactors Running via EcoWatch

    Life extensions to nuclear plants in Europe and North America are repeatedly being granted by safety regulators. But, according to nuclear plant owners, 25 percent of parts are now obsolete, so keeping the reactors going is becoming an increasing problem as components wear out.

    In France, where 75 percent of electricity supply comes from 58 reactors, the government announced in February that it was prepared to raise the limit on the life of reactors from 40 to 50 years.

    Also in February, two reactors in the UK that began generating in 1983 and are due to close in 2019 had their lives extended to 2024. Two others commissioned in 1988 will now work on until 2030. In all four cases, the owner can apply for further life extensions after that.

    But nuclear power plants built across the world in the 1970s and 80s rely on computer technology and components now long out of production. Replacing worn-out parts is becoming a serious problem, causing an increasing number of unplanned and expensive shutdowns while components are updated.

    Low prices for electricity have put increasing pressure on nuclear generators to make their operations more efficient and to prevent outages, so that they can still squeeze a profit …


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    • rogerthat

      out of these reactors.

      The alternative is to close them down and face the vast cost of decommissioning them—which, in accountancy terms, turns the power station from an asset into a very large liability. This would be enough to make some power companies technically bankrupt.
      […]
      In Europe, there is little chance of replacing the obsolescent fleet with new plants. Perhaps the starkest example is France, with its 58 ageing reactors. It is building only one new replacement reactor.

      This plant, at Flamanville in Normandy, should already be in operation, but is years late and three times over budget. Plans to build others have been shelved.

      Unless France can keep granting life extensions to its existing plants, the country will have to invest in renewables on a vast scale to keep its carbon emissions in check.

      Read more.


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jun/06/lonely-struggle-india-anti-nuclear-protesters-tamil-nadu-kudankulam-idinthakarai?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Behind the Lourdes Matha church in Idinthakarai, a fishing village at the southern tip of India, five women have abandoned their chores to protest at the Kudankulam nuclear power plant. Today is day 1,754 of their relay hunger strike, which began when the plant was fuelled in 2011.

    Celine, 73, is among the five protestors, who take it in turns to go without food. “Not a single government, not a single political party is willing to take up our cause,” she says. “Only Mother Mary can save us now.”

    The villagers of Idinthakarai, in Tamil Nadu state, have been protesting against the plant since the late 1980s, when it was proposed. But theirs is a lonely struggle. Few people in India have even heard of their village, let alone support their protest. …


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  • rogerthat

    also from Lucian, but it's just a headline …

    Indoor radiocaesium contamination in residential houses within evacuation areas after the Fukushima nuclear accident via Scientific Reports


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  • rogerthat

    https://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/atomicage/2016/06/05/nuclear-power-asking-the-wrong-questions-via-bulletin-of-the-atomic-scientists/

    Nuclear power: Asking the wrong questions via Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
    Steven Starr […]

    I am a senior scientist with Physicians for Social Responsibility, a group that does call for abolition. Physicians for Social Responsibility is deeply concerned about the medical and ethical consequences of the ongoing production of enormous amounts of high-level nuclear waste. Such waste, hundreds of thousands of tons of it, sits in “cooling pools” next to nuclear power reactors; many individual pools contain more cesium-137 than was released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons tests combined. These utterly lethal radionuclides will require some form of supervision for hundreds of thousands of years if they are to be prevented from entering the biosphere. Thousands of generations of human beings will have to perform the supervision.

    Only one country, Finland, has begun work on a permanent repository for high-level waste, but it is not yet operational. The only permanent site for low-level waste in the United States, the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in New Mexico, is currently closed due to mishaps including a 2014 radiation release. Hence the entire world provides no good examples of safe permanent storage.

    But the problem, of course, extends beyond waste—it includes catastrophic releases of radiation, something …


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    • rogerthat

      that the nuclear industry has not managed to prevent in the first 70 years of its existence. And even Sethi admits that “[t]here can never be a perfect strategy for disaster prevention and preparedness.” So there is little reason to think such releases will be prevented in the future.

      When they aren’t prevented, as at Chernobyl, the consequences are devastating, as study after study demonstrates.

      The International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, in a 2011 report called “Health Effects of Chernobyl,” found that 25 years after the disaster, more than 90 percent of “liquidators”—the soldiers and civilians, numbering at least 740,000, who fought to contain the reactor fire and clean up afterwards—were severely ill or had become invalids.
      According to the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, between 12,000 and 83,000 genetically damaged children will eventually be born in “affected countries of the Chernobyl region,” while 30,000 to 207,000 such children will be born worldwide due to the disaster. These cases will take time to appear—only 10 percent of the overall expected damage can be seen in the first generation after exposure.
      The “TORCH-2016” report, an independent scientific evaluation of Chernobyl’s health effects based entirely upon peer-reviewed sources, finds that about 5 million people in Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia live in areas still highly contaminated by the Chernobyl disaster (with more than 40 kilobecquerels …


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      • rogerthat

        of cesium-137 per square meter). These areas include 18,000 square kilometers in Belarus, 12,000 square kilometers in Ukraine, and 16,000 square kilometers in Russia. About 400 million people live in less contaminated areas (with between 4 and 40 kilobecquerels of cesium-137 per square meter).

        The unfortunate people who must live on these contaminated lands—especially infants and children—suffer greatly from the effects of the long-lived radionuclides (primarily cesium-137) that have contaminated the forests, soils, and foodstuffs to which they are constantly exposed.

        In 2011, the National Ministry of Emergencies of Ukraine issued a national report entitled “Twenty-five Years after Chernobyl Accident: Safety for the Future.” The report found that by 2001, no more than 10 percent of the children living in the seriously contaminated zones of Ukraine were considered healthy. Prior to the dispersal of radionuclides from the Chernobyl explosion, 90 percent had been healthy.

        These are some of the consequences of a single catastrophic nuclear accident. Fukushima, meanwhile, is an example of the ongoing irradiation of the biosphere.

        There will be more accidents. The nuclear industry will continue to claim that such accidents pose “no significant danger to human health.” The evidence indicates otherwise.

        Read more at Nuclear power: Asking the wrong questions


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    But, but ..we can't walk orderly unto our deaths..

    Westerners lack education on nuclear disaster risks, expert warns

    Christopher Abbott says orderly evacuation seen during Japan’s Fukushima incident would not work as well in western societies
    6/8/2016

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/07/westerners-lack-education-nuclear-disaster-risks-expert-warns


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Radioactive soil to be used to build roads set to spark uproar
    June 8 2016

    "A public outcry is expected when radioactive earth from the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster is recycled and used to construct roads and in other building projects.

    “Fierce resistance would likely arise if the contaminated earth were used in prefectures other than Fukushima Prefecture,” said an official at an Environment Ministry study meeting on June 7."

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201606080056.html


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201606080056.html

    Radioactive soil to be used to build roads set to spark uproar

    By YU KOTSUBO/ Staff Writer
    June 8, 2016

    A public outcry is expected when radioactive earth from the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster is recycled and used to construct roads and in other building projects.

    “Fierce resistance would likely arise if the contaminated earth were used in prefectures other than Fukushima Prefecture,” said an official at an Environment Ministry study meeting on June 7.

    But Shinji Inoue, senior vice environment minister, said the ministry will proceed with recycling despite expected opposition.

    “We are set to promote the reuse (of contaminated earth) by endeavoring to gain public understanding across the country, including Fukushima Prefecture,” he said after the meeting.

    Polluted earth will be covered by either clean earth, concrete, asphalt or other material to minimize radiation exposure to construction workers and residents living near the facilities built using radioactive soil.

    Twenty-two million cubic meters, the equivalent of 18 Tokyo Dome stadiums, is the amount of contaminated soil expected to be produced in total from the cleanup work in areas around the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and elsewhere in the prefecture. It is unclear how much of the polluted soil will be used in building projects. …


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      Ministry officials decided at the meeting that the soil to be recycled will be restricted to that in which radioactivity measures 8,000 becquerels or less per kilogram.

      The recycling is aimed to cut the amount of radioactive soil to be shipped to other prefectures for final disposal.

      If the soil has more than 8,000 becquerels of radioactivity per kilogram, the central government is obliged under law to safely dispose of it.

      The ministry envisages the use of contaminated earth for raising the ground level in the construction of roads, seawalls, railways and other public works projects.

      It can also be used to cover waste at disposal sites.

      The 22 million cubic meters of soil is to be kept at the interim storage site to be built near the crippled nuclear plant in Fukushima Prefecture. After being kept there for about 30 years, it is scheduled under law to be dumped outside the prefecture.


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  • rogerthat

    http://fishingvideos.info/fukushima-tepco-defends-handling-in-nuclear-accident-in-spite-of-disregard-for-safety-update-060512/

    Fishing Videos & Tips

    Home / Tuna Fishing / Fukushima: TEPCO Defends Handling in Nuclear Accident in spite of DISREGARD for Safety Update 060512

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  • rogerthat

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-06/exelon-said-to-seek-license-to-run-nuclear-plant-for-80-years

    … Should the commission approve Exelon’s request, the Peach Bottom nuclear station would be among the first U.S. reactors allowed to run beyond 60 years. Dominion said last year that it would seek approval to keep the Surry nuclear power plant in Virginia online until it’s 80 years old. …


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  • rogerthat

    http://phys.org/news/2016-06-finns-nuclear-world-costliest-tomb.html

    Finns to bury nuclear waste in world's costliest tomb
    June 7, 2016 by Anne Kauranen

    … Planning the nuclear graveyard involves asking the impossible—how can we know what this little island will be like in 100,000 years? And who will be living there?

    To put the timeframe into perspective: 100,000 years ago Finland was partly covered by ice, Neanderthals were roaming Europe and Homo Sapiens were starting to move from Africa to the Middle East.

    Geologists cannot rule out another ice age. Finland is not particularly prone to seismic activity, but engineers must ensure Onkalo can withstand any tectonic motion caused by another deep chill in the millennia to come.

    A 2015 study by the University of Turku warned that in the event of a new ice age, the permafrost could reach some 200 metres deeper than where the rods would be buried.

    Posiva's own research in western Greenland says that when land is repeatedly covered by glaciers or ice sheets, the rock does fracture—but not as far down as the waste.

    Nevertheless, Finnish nuclear safety authority STUK has demanded more modelling from the company on the possible long-term effects of a freeze.

    Along with the land itself, there is the question of the people living on it, and Aaltonen admits it's impossible to predict what kind of civilisation might be settled there 100,000 years from now. …


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/nuclear_power_is_costly_to_taxpayers_and_to_the_environment_your_letters.html

    Nuclear power is costly to taxpayers and to the environment (Your letters)

    To the Editor:

    The New York state Department of Public Service may require utilities to purchase nuclear power, resulting in an increase in our utility bills to the tune of billions of dollars.

    Running New York's old nuke plants has become increasingly expensive, even with current government subsidies. In a free market, plants would be closing and energy prices would be declining. Instead this new subsidy could keep them on life support at our expense.

    Nuclear power is already dependent on existing subsidies:

    Nuke plants could not exist if they had to pay a fair liability insurance rate. Instead their liability is limited, lowering their insurance rates and leaving taxpayers at risk to cover claims.

    Nuke plants continue to rely on government-backed loans for their construction, since no investors foolish enough can be found to fund them.

    Nuke plant operators don't have the money to safeguard the waste for the 250,000 years it will remain a threat, so generations of future taxpayers will continue that subsidy.

    New York is not the first state that has tried to subsidize old nuke plants. California recently gave up on the San Onofre nuke plant, after ratepayers were forced to pay the salaries of all the employees while they sat around for years, …


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    • rogerthat

      producing no power. Now the plant has closed, but they still got billions of dollars while not even producing power.

      But nuclear power is clean energy, so it deserves to be subsidized, right? No, routine operation of a nuke plant contaminates the environment in several ways:

      Waste is produced when the uranium is mined.

      Waste is released into the water through its cooling systems and into the air through rooftop vents that purge radioactive steam.

      In the flawed Mark 1 reactor (present at Fukushima and two in Oswego) has been retrofitted with a vent that releases radioactive steam directly from the reactor core to prevent meltdown.

      The spent fuel must be stored for 250,000 years and will inevitably find its way into the environment.

      These inevitable releases are nothing compared with the possibility in case of an accident, natural disaster or attack.

      The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution is measuring contamination from Fukushima as high as 11 becquerels (that's 10 radioactive desegregation) per cubic meter per second in water on the West Coast. While that is considered a safe amount of background radiation, radioactive isotopes bio-accumulate in fish and when consumed are incorporated into human tissues to constantly bombard nearby tissues, causing cancer, genetic diseases and birth defects.

      New York has already dug itself into a hole with aging, leaking nuke plants. There is no plan to safely store the waste and not enough money to dismantle the…


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      • rogerthat

        plants. Stop digging the hole deeper. The employees at the nuke plants will have another decade of work decommissioning the plants (unless the operators are allowed to fire them and place the plant into "safe storage" to postpone decommissioning, like they are trying to do at Vermont Yankee.) Ten years of work to decommission is plenty of time to find new jobs in sustainable energy and conservation.

        Learn more and get involved.

        Seth Rutledge

        Syracuse

        Clean Energy Standard should not include nuclear industry bailout
        To the Editor:

        I was among the many local residents to hear the state Department of Public Service presentation about the Clean Energy Standard at Liverpool Library on May 25. The research presented indicated our aging nuclear power plants should be subsidized and considered a clean and acceptable energy source.

        As questions were answered, it became very clear that the problem with the "research" was that it did not take into consideration the environmental impact of uranium mining, radioactive waste storage or the enormous environmental damage caused by the cooling systems using Lake Ontario water and then returning it to the lake.

        That's not even to mention the unthinkable risks involved with nuclear plant accidents such as occurred at Fukushima in Japan and in 1986 at Chernobyl in the Ukraine (still a desolate and devastated area with overwhelming health problems and a radioactive landscape). We came close to equally serious danger…


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        • rogerthat

          in Central New York in 1979 when a partial meltdown occurred at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania, just downwind from us.

          I am deeply grateful for the skill and dedication of the employees at Nine Mile Point who have kept us safe thus far. I do not wish hardship for them and their families when the plants are closed.

          But the Clean Energy Standard cannot include a bailout for the nuclear industry at the expense of us all.

          It is the responsibility of New York state to support programs for re-employment and the overall economy of Oswego County, rather than to support mega-million dollar energy corporations which are the true beneficiaries of the bailout plan. Syracuse.com reported the additional funds needed to keep just Nine Mile Point open are estimated at $300 million a year or more.

          Our environmental circumstances are dire, and the time to act swiftly and decisively is now. The Clean Energy Standard and initiatives taken by New York state must support truly clean renewable energy sources, such as wind and solar, while also incentivizing energy efficiency goals.

          All of these can provide plentiful employment, while moving us toward an improved and hopefully sustainable level of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. Have you checked out the weather lately? Kind of fun, but not normal. A little more heat and drought and no one will be laughing.

          Carole Resnick

          Syracuse


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    http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/WR-Chernobyl-nuclear-power-plant-now-clear-of-damaged-fuel-07061601.html

    Chernobyl units 1-3 now clear of damaged fuel
    07 June 2016

    The last damaged used fuel assembly from units 1-3 of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was removed yesterday – from the cooling pool of unit 1 – and transferred to ISF1, a wet-type interim storage facility. …


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    http://www.utilitydive.com/news/massachusetts-lawmakers-seek-closure-of-nextera-nuclear-plant-over-degradin/420442/

    Four Massachusetts state lawmakers have urged the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to close down NextEra's Seabrook nuclear facility, saying concrete degradation threatens the plant's safe operation and evacuation zones are inadequate, SNL Energy reports.

    An alkali-silica reaction (ASR) has caused cracks in the concrete walls at the plant, though SNL Energy notes the issue has been under observation at the Seabrook plant since 2012 and has delayed relicensing of the facility.

    The 1,244-MW plant's evacuation zone should also be widened, the lawmakers told the NRC, and they criticized the agency for a lack of oversight at the facility.


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    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160607080653.htm

    Chernobyl radiation could be linked to rising number of thyroid cancers in Belgian children
    June 7, 2016

    Exposure to radioactive fallout from the April 1986 Chernobyl nuclear accident in Belgium may have increased the incidence of thyroid cancer in those exposed as children, according to new research published in the journal Acta Chirurgica Belgica.

    Thyroid cancer is usually rare among children, with less than one new case per million diagnosed each year. However, after the Chernobyl accident a striking increase in the disease was reported in children and teenagers in the most contaminated areas of Belarus and Ukraine. Now, this new research from Belgium suggests countries further afield were also affected.

    Prior to April 1986, surgeons at Mont-Godinne University Hospital, Yvoir, Belgium had seen no cases of thyroid cancer in children. But in 1995, surgeon Luc Michel and colleagues treated four cases of papillary thyroid cancer in patients who were younger than 9 years old at the time of Chernobyl and operated on a further five patients between 2000 and 2002 aged under 12 at the time of the accident.

    To examine whether this disturbing trend could be due to exposure to radioactive fallout from Chernobyl, the surgical team collected information on the number of new cases of papillary thyroid cancer in all patients born before April 1986 who were operated on at the hospital for any type of thyroid…


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      lesion between April 1986 and April 2015. They also obtained data from a classified Belgian Royal Institute of Meteorology (BRIM) report which revealed that in early May 1986 the average level of atmospheric radioactivity in Belgium rose to twenty times higher than normal, from 3.2 Bq.m-3 to over 70 Bq.m-3 .

      36 new cases (19.5%) of papillary thyroid cancer were found among 185 Belgian children aged under 15 at the time of the accident, compared with just 175 cases (8.1%) in 2164 patients aged older than 15 years.

      Numerous studies have shown that exposure to certain types of radiation increase the incidence of thyroid cancer in children and adolescents. The authors conclude that it is likely that radiation exposure from Chernobyl has affected residents of countries much further afield than Belarus and Ukraine including Belgium, potentially increasing the incidence of thyroid cancer in those exposed as children over the last 30 years. However, they caution that it is not clear whether these cases reflect an increased incidence in the Belgian population as a whole.

      Story Source:

      The above post is reprinted from materials provided by Taylor & Francis. Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.


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    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/06/06/englewood-water-treatment-plant-cancer/

    Water Treatment Plant Workers Concerned Sludge Is Causing Cancer
    June 6, 2016

    By Rick Sallinger

    ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (CBS4) – Is it a deadly coincidence or something more? Workers at the Englewood drinking water treatment facility are concerned that so many of its people have developed cancer.

    Three have died, one just recently, and at least three others are suffering from various forms of the disease. That’s out of 15 who work there. The city insists the plant is safe.

    Ken Klowever is afraid.

    “Three years ago I was the third person in six months to come down with cancer and I’m the only one still alive,” he told CBS4 Investigator Rick Sallinger.

    Kloewer works at the Allen Water Treatment Facility at Windermere Street and Layton Avenue. He blames the large piles of waste or sludge for his cancer. He was diagnosed with colon cancer which spread to his liver and lungs.

    “Now they have discovered a lump in my neck … and I’m scared to death,” he said.

    The sludge contains radioactivity. The state mandates that it be buried in a hazardous waste vault. A 1998 letter from the Colorado Intergovernmental Risk Sharing Agency warned, “These dust particles, if inhaled, may release radioactive particles into the lungs.” …


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      But Englewood City Manager Eric Keck points to extensive tests of the sludge which found the radiation is at low levels.

      “We feel very strongly through our collaboration and cooperation with the state Department of Health and Environment as well as the EPA that we are not in a situation where we are actually causing harm to our residents,” Keck said.

      The 1998 letter recommended that workers wear masks and that the sludge be covered with a tarp.

      But when CBS4 checked in March of this year there was no tarp. Winds could carry the dust into the nearby neighborhood.

      There CBS4 also found cases of cancer. But a connection with the water treatment plant was not suspected on the neighborhood block until recently when information was shared by Kloewer, who has a worker’s compensation suit pending.

      In the area one man’s wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. The family asked that CBS4 not use their name.

      “I cried and I cried a lot when diagnosed that this was happening to our home,” the husband told CBS4 with his wife adding, “Living close to the water treatment plant is kind of scary. If the wind is blowing after I saw that letter I’m afraid to go outside my house.” …


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    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-06/02/c_135408172.htm

    Spotlight: Hidden truths of Fukushima nuclear disaster revealed
    Source: Xinhua 2016-06-02
    by Xinhua Writers Fei Liena, Huang Kun, Liu Shilei

    BEIJING, June 2 (Xinhua) — Five years have passed since Japan suffered from the shocking Fukushima Daiichi nuclear leak. However, the whole aftermath of the disaster has been more serious than predicted, due to the intriguing game of "hide-and-seek" played by the Japanese government and interest groups concerned. …


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  • PhilipUpNorth

    Frozen Wall Is A Big Deal

    Well, lookie here. The Frozen Wall actually works.
    (My money was on it not working because of water heated by underground nuclear cores, but what do I know?)

    "Today, Tepco began operation of most of the remaining ice wall sections. Liquid refrigerant is now being circulated through 95% of the in-ground pipes sunk down to 30 meters. In addition, workers began injecting cement into the gravel-impregnated soils around the few pipes where the soil has not completely frozen. These locations are part of the north and south portions of the 1.5 kilometer wall. "
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160606_28/
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident-updates.html

    Why is the Frozen Wall such a big deal?
    Because, for 5 years, groundwater has been carrying nuclear debris in the ground under the reactor ruins into the Pacific Ocean.
    Now, that has finally been stopped.
    That is good news. ;)

    Eventually, Admin. might even do a thread on the Frozen Wall, so I guess I'll wait until then to post. Bye…


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    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      "…Because, for 5 years, groundwater has been carrying nuclear debris in the ground under the reactor ruins into the Pacific Ocean.
      Now, that has finally been stopped. …"

      This appears to be a premature statement. Not enough information to conclude such. Is the soil "under" the reactors frozen? Where are the melted cores?


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  • jopperlarxz15 jopperlarxz15

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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    The truly unsettling, alarming, worrisome, frightening, horrifying, unstable, fearsome, uncontrollable, shocking, unstoppable, deadly, unprecedented, stressful, catastrophic, urgent, chilling cauldrons of hell are not an immediate threat to the public health.

    Go shopping at a Canadian grocery store and have a cookout.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I just read a Bing screen that said.. Can we fix Time before it destroys us.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Sorry didn't go to link..
    No time…lol


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fix anything in the kitchen ..but the sink..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fix time, hell, we can't even catch a crook.

    Clinton aide reportedly got top donor named to nuclear advisory board
    June 10 2016

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/10/clinton-aide-accused-getting-top-donor-on-nuclear-advisory-board.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Probably a repost from above.
    A little behind in reading.

    600 Tons Of Nuclear Waste Is Missing!
    June 9 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L_V4M79ODY


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    We narrowly escaped ..a fire at Unit 4. said at the end.
    There are only are couple ways that the unit could get in that condition.
    And they are ..FIRE AND EXPLOSION
    What else?


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Certainly cuts to the chase and sees the arrogance and trance of the current Zeitgeist Matrix for what it is..says he. Snap! :)


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      • Sol Man

        Yes, it drives me to utter distraction…well, nearly everything, but the kids playing sports on toxic fields, the professionals, too! Absolutely crazy. The U.S. sends troops to do military stuff in other nations. War is never declared. Still they go get NATO in there for another group of people. Destabilize those populations so those people go Europe US, wherever, thus destabilizing those countries, too!

        It is apparent, the truth, that the corporatist form of government is by far the most easy to corrupt by the payment of money from nothing fiat dollars to willing weak betraying politicians. You can get any thing you want just send money from nothing.

        Now back to nuclear disaster news.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    WE were all warned repeatedly…nobody listened..nobody gave a shit.

    WE now have a runaway train..fueled by fiat money.


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