TV: Very concerned about radioactive contamination on tsunami debris heading to U.S. and Canada — Floated through worst of Fukushima fallout — Will not wash off (VIDEO)

Published: March 15th, 2013 at 2:42 pm ET
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Title: “Fukushima: Two Years After” – VVH-TV News Special Report
Source: VVH-TV
Host:  Karl Grossman, Chief Investigative Reporter
Date Published: Mar. 14, 2013

At 24:00 in

Lucas Hixson, Enformable.com: One of my main concerns then is with the tsunami debris.

Lucas Hixson interviewed at The Helen Caldicott Foundation’s Fukushima symposium earlier this week

You have top floating debris that is moving at a slow rate of speed across the ocean in the primary path of deposition where the most radioactive materials fallout.

Yet, even though these are ionized materials that are not going to be washed off by ocean wave activity, we have representatives and state officials here in the United States who are downplaying the potential contamination and radioactivity in the tsunami debris.

And that’s one thing we’re very concerned about.

Also from today: RTT: Japan alerts U.S. and Canada on possible clogging of shorelines -- CNN: Tsunami debris makes its way into Hawaii wildlife... Plastic spilling out of stomach (VIDEO)

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Published: March 15th, 2013 at 2:42 pm ET
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35 comments to TV: Very concerned about radioactive contamination on tsunami debris heading to U.S. and Canada — Floated through worst of Fukushima fallout — Will not wash off (VIDEO)

  • 16Penny 16Penny

    This is a repost from here:

    http://enenews.com/pilot-large-amounts-of-tsunami-debris-coming-ashore-holy-crap-all-of-a-sudden-you-see-all-this-stuff-video/comment-page-1#comment-328390

    ChasAha, or anyone who knows, I was thinking about the effect of fallout on floating debris. I understand that ocean currents and wind currents take different paths. My question / concern is did the airborne fallout intersect the path of the floating debris while it was still close to the Japanese coast? I suspect that it did as the aircraft carrier (USS Ronald Reagan)that was providing support for helicopter search and rescue had to relocate due to fallout.

    Also, bringing the knowledge I have about soil mechanics to bear, wouldn't the heaviest particles fall out of the air first? Wouldn't the radioactive particles, the comparatively larger (still Micro) particles, cause the floating debris to be HIGHLY radioactive?

    Please forgive any mistakes or incorrect interpretations I am making, I am still trying to understand the severity of the contamination in it's many forms.


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    • JR

      NOAA

      http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/tsunamidebris/faqs.html
      4/23/2013
      • Is the tsunami marine debris radioactive?
      Radiation experts agree that it is highly unlikely that any tsunami generated marine debris will hold harmful levels of radiation from the Fukushima nuclear emergency.
      Some debris in West Coast states has been tested, including items known to be from the tsunami, and no radioactive contamination above normal was found. Marine debris in Hawaii has been monitored since April 2011, and no radioactive contamination above normal levels has been found.


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  • asuperdry asuperdry

    …forget the debris, all four of those reactors are still in full meltdown. QUICK look over here…


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Right, I would guess that more radioactive particles would be released into the atmosphere and ocean over time than the initial severely radioactive plume. I am pretty sure though that the rate which radioactive particles were released in the initial explosions was many many times higher and the particle sizes which were distributed were larger and less diluted by wide distribution. My concern was that these larger particles, falling on floating debris would have several years to contaminate their flotilla of FUKU fun, leaving huge volumes of highly radioactive waste for the US and other Pacific bordering countries to "deal" with.

      I know, they could shred the mostly wooden debris and use the sawdust to soak up the leaking fluids from Hanford! Two problems solved.


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      • asuperdry asuperdry

        Keep in mind the tsunami washed the majority of the debris out before the reactors blew.


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        • Sol Man

          Right, but you must consider the two year trip across the Pacific and all of the fallout that settled during that entire time.


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          Yes, both good points

          I haven't taken the time to compare models and look at the location and relationships of the debris and the airborne plume. I was kind of asking if anyone had already, no reason to reinvent the wheel. This article shows that I am not the only person on this spaceship Earth concerned about this potential.

          As technology becomes more complex and byproducts are reused in other processes, it is important to identify whether this concern is legitimate before people start burning piles of this crap on the beach. That would further concentrate radioactive particles in the ash from the debris. If it is hauled into dumps would it be in the leechant or biogas that is sometimes recaptured for combined heat and power plants. If it is flared or used by a CHP plant, would radioactive particles be present in the exhaust?


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          • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

            Hiya 16Penny – Absolutely hope that the epa and our government has the sense enough to advise coastal townships and communities NOT TO BURN ANY TSUNAMI DEBRIS without testing it for radioactive nuclides first. Japan tried that and have managed to contaminate areas that were previously NOT contaminated (much) from the fukushima meltdowns, that are now because of debris relocation and burning without proper exhaust filtration systems in place. The handling of this debris must be approached the same as any other radioactive contamination procedure protocalls. Japan actually sent the US government 5 million dollars to assist in the clean up however that will only last a short time with the amount needed to be dealt with, especially if radioactive. I am also concerned also about the people of the west coast that will encounter debris while at the beach or hiking, probably want to explore and investigate because of human curiosity. The exposure possibilities are endless if you think about it.


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        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          The debris was moving at a very slow pace. It might be argued that the rear of the debris field will have more granulated fuel rod on it, but the entire field has been rained on and soaking in the worst of the Fuku fallout for two years.

          Not to mention the entire debris field a collection trap for the surface moving radioactive buckyballs.


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  • Mack Mack

    It is very cool to see Lucas Hixson being interviewed by Dr. Karl Grossman.

    Both are exemplary in getting out the truth about nuclear dangers.

    http://www.enformable.com
    http://www.karlgrossman.com


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Look at it this way. All the japan tsunami debris (and ony other pacific ocean floating or submerged debris of any kind) washing up on our shores now have the original fallout from the reactor building explosions plus two years worth of additional nonstop daily fallout on it. The radiation on this debris has been accumulating like a endless stack of pancakes, one on top of the other. Many smaller peices of debris will have inevitably broken off or rattled loose and then sunk or floated away, and either end up on the ocean floor radiating that environment or it will get eaten by marine life forms. All kinds of garbage in marine fish and birds stomachs. In Alaska and Hawaii their are many birds and animals dying from eating smaller peices of plastic and all kinds of crap. So we are getting it from the jet stream in the form of airborne particulates, in the pacific ocean from the fukuplume affectionately called plumegate, and for the last year and many years to come radioactive tsunami debris that has been radiated daily for the past 2 years in the direct path of the jetstreams and oceanic plumes. Yet our government insists that we have nothing to worry about. NUCLEAR POWER IS EVIL. There is no such thing as peaceful nuclear energy. Simply put – there is too much damage and contamination done. Being radioactive is now the new normal for life on earth and will be for the rest of humanity.To what level depends on future meltdowns, nuclear wars and the vast amounts of nuclear waste


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    DUH! "Will not wash off."


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  • asuperdry asuperdry

    My point from my first comment is that it is NOT over, it WILL explode again, its only a matter of time.


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  • weeman

    How nice Japan just gave Canada 1 million dollars to help with disposal of debris, that takes care of that then, ha.


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  • larry-andrew-nils

    my eyes… around them… the skin.. in the corners… sting.

    could that be from radiation levels here just south of alaska?


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  • Mack Mack

    In the video, Karl Grossman also interviewed a Japanese woman.

    When asked how PM Abe won, she said:

    "There's a rumor" about a "fraudulent election in Japan."

    When asked, "Does Japan need nuclear power?" she said, "No, not at all."

    She also said, "Tokyo is very contaminated. Many people left Tokyo already."

    And when Minister Yukio Edano was saying "there is no immediate health effect" from the radiation, HIS FAMILY WAS IN SINGAPORE.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Everyone in the world needs to hear Caldicott and Hixson.


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  • Jebus

    It's pretty certain, that from 3/11/2011 the tsunami debris, off the coast of Fukushima, was in that location long enough, to recieve fallout from all 4 reactor's heaviest radionuclide releases.

    On page 3, this NOAH document shows that the USSRR was in the area of Sendai on 3/13/11. It's choppers photographed the debris "mat".
    How far away from Fukushima did that part of the debris field make it in 2 days?

    On page 4, it shows that by 4/14/2011 debris could no longer be detected by satellite. If you blow up the graphic, it is dated 3/17/2011.

    Fact: The debris field that came from near Fukushima, was around the area long enough, to "capture" some very heavy fallout…

    More interesting tidbits in the pdf…

    http://www.coastal.ca.gov/publiced/ccd/coordinators/NOAAJapanese_TsunamiMarineDebris_presentation.pdf


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  • Mack Mack

    Read this short abstract on how 'they' polluted the oceans since the 1940's with nuclear radiation.

    http://rpd.oxfordjournals.org/content/75/1-4/23.short


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  • Mack Mack

    Reported by nuclearcrimes.org —>

    "A joint EPA and California-led interagency guideline to be put into effect stipulates that most floating or 'beached' debris from Japan registering under 2 millirem per hour will not be considered a radioactive source."

    2 millirem equals 20 microsieverts (i think)

    So unless it's under 20 microsieverts, it's not considered radioactive?

    http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/fukushimaupdates.php


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Backwards, If it is under 2 millirem it is not considered radioactive. Anything over that level is considered to be radioactive.

      Of course we all know the truth. It is radioactive if it is radioactive, regardless pf the level.

      I am wondering, they keep bumping up the levels for "safe" exposure and thresholds for classification. Are their increases related to the new "background" level? Can we assume that we are going to get whatever level of dose they deem safe anyways?


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Pictures of Pacific beach cleanup (US and CA) at the bottom of this article. Article is a slight bit OT, unless you consider the impact on any energy infrastructure, then it would be ok:

    http://www.wunderground.com/news/northwest-quake-threat-20130315

    I don't see any radiation badges or meters, no marking of the more radioactive pieces, nothing. Does anyone see different?


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      The best was the quote under the last picture:

      "In this June 6, 2012 photo, tsunami debris is strewn across the shore of Montague Island near Seward, Alaska. Neither the U.S. government nor some West Coast states have a clear plan for how to clean up the rubble that floats to American shores. (AP Photo/Chris Pallister)"

      2 years and no plan. Healthcare, guns, reelection were more important. These politicians need to learn that if they just do their job well they will prosper. To the politicians: Keep shirking your duties, you are no longer useful.


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    • One thing is known about plastic and probably styrofoam floating around in the ocean; it absorbs lots of chemicals and heavy metals. Wouldn't this fact include radioactive elements as well?

      Once plastic and styrofoam enters the water, the ocean breaks down the chunks into smaller pieces over time, which get ingested in birds, fish, etc. The heavy metals and chemicals go along with the plastic into the wildlife. This much is fact.

      To claim that 'no radiation' will come from Japan to the US via the debris is ignoring reality. The only question is; how much, and in which ways will it impact fisheries, wild animals on sea shore and humans at the top of the food chain? It may take years to see the full impact, once the debris hits the Western shores of the USA.


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