TV: “We don’t want to create a panic, but it’s good to know” — Radioactive tsunami debris coming to Hawaii “much earlier” than predicted (VIDEO)

Published: October 19th, 2011 at 7:09 pm ET
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HONOLULU, Oct. 18 — KITV Honolulu is reporting on the first official discovery of tsunami debris from Japan nearing Hawaii.

And the debris, possibly contaminated with radiation from the Fukushima meltdowns, is coming to Hawaii “much earlier” than the two years researchers expected it would, according to KITV.

“We have a rough estimate of 5 to 20 million tons of debris coming from Japan… Hawaii is just in the path,” said University of Hawaii computer programming researcher Jan Hafner.

Soon after passing the Midway Islands on Sept. 22, a Russian ship hit the edge of the tsunami debris.

“We projected it would hit Midway in spring of next year, but based on the [Russian's] finding, the debris seems to be moving faster. We don’t want to create a panic, but it’s good to know it’s coming,” said Hafner.

KITV finishes up by noting that the debris field may hit Hawaii a second time in around five years.

Watch here: UH Researcher Predicts Tsunami Debris Coming Sooner To Hawaii

Published: October 19th, 2011 at 7:09 pm ET
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84 comments to TV: “We don’t want to create a panic, but it’s good to know” — Radioactive tsunami debris coming to Hawaii “much earlier” than predicted (VIDEO)

  • TheWorldIsBlind

    Ok so if the debris is coming, would it not be safe to assume that all the shit that TEPCO has dumped into the ocean is, at the same rate, making its way towards Hawaii/West Coast?

    Yeah not to create panic my ass, WE’D BE ALL SMARTER TO PANIC.

    Fukushima has fucked up the world, completely, and indefinitely.


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    • I hate to inform you but the radiation is moving faster than the debris is moving. It is actually already on the west coast. Hence the sulfur smell every time its foggy. Srry.
      Emmy.


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      • TheWorldIsBlind

        Lucky for me I live on the East Coast.

        However, I specifically remember like 2 – 3 Weeks ago that it just ABSOLUTELY down poured outside. And I was unfortunately in a position at work where I had to be outside (because people were too fucking lazy to get out of their cars and come inside to pick up their fucking food (p.s fuck restaurants lol) ) and I was thinking to myself FUCK I know this rain is tainted.

        Tacoma, leave the westcoast quick, shits about to get nasty again…


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        • TheWorldIsBlind

          P.S Tacoma, why no input on the Uranium in Tokyo? U235 half life of 700 Million Years – man… you were so right …

          we need to, together, push ENENEWS for more information, more direct information.

          ENE – PLEASE STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH.

          It seems every time I push ENE for more truthful posts, they tend to follow – not with the words I would choose, but to get the point across.

          It is clear. JAPAN IS FUCKED. You’re telling me that if you can detect Uranium NOW (100+ KM from the plant) that the people didn’t breath this shit in, every day, and will continue to, for 700 Million years, that Japan doesn’t need to be evacuated.

          WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE. THIS FUCKING EFFECTS EVERYONE. EVEN YOU PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA – YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED. EVEN YOU FUCKING TEPCO – YOUR BREATHING THIS SHIT IN, YOUR CHILDREN ARE, I AM, WE ALL FUCKING ARE.

          *disgusted*


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          • Not sure.

            Probably because the radiation looks bad enough on paper, and eventually a lot of people are going to jail for murder once the public stands up for its self. So the less we know the easier it is for them to get away with these crimes.

            In all reality A large amount of U238 is the bigger problem in my opinion… U238 absorbs neutron to become U239, beta decay to Np239, beta decay to Pu239.

            So in my opinion. Most the uranium became plutonium… And the poison is everywhere…

            And I mean everywhere.


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          • this ain’t going to be pretty, that much is certain.


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          • James Tekton James Tekton

            Hey there TWIB,

            What they would say is, hurry up and die. We have a population control agenda in full swing here.

            What some others would say is, reptilians have a higher resistance to radiation. Die human!

            And still others do not even care. Take for instance, those luciferians. Whoa…what a out of control bunch of satantards they are. And in all the places of power too.

            Yes, the world radiation situation is getting worse and no one will do anything to stop it all. There is no problem according to the mass mindset. All those people now diving in the oceans and swimming are not even aware of how contaminated they are, or how bad the water and sea life really is. As Taco said, the irradiated waters are already hitting the west coast. We need someone like WCG to go get some ocean and give it a reading. And then, continue to do that regular.

            Live in the best quality you can and start preparing for more action packed future to come…so much that you will not even think radiation is any big deal compared to the more immediate in your face threats.

            Look at your self in the mirror in the morning and ask yourself, are you happy? And then answer yourself truthfully. Give high priority to service and most especially, to you. Enjoy the fullness of every free peaceful moment. From moment to moment for truly, these are the last days of Pompeii.


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        • alasanon

          Yeah, we are getting pelted by the Jet Stream out East now, but there’s a guy near me in VA and his daily Radmeter and Geiger counter measurements still show very low background radiation. Steady averages and often single digit levels, even with major rains lately…

          Granted, his instruments don’t pick up everything and you have to lower & reduce exposure as much as you can, ALWAYS. The Petkau Effect from low-levels creates the most impact. But, I’ve had no symptoms at all lately, even when I can’t avoid rainy air. Keep up your cheer & spirits, do what you can for others, and keep up your immune system!! Stay strong, people! Don’t give up!! But, don’t resign yourself to too much risk either.


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          • alasanon

            i.e. Get away from the danger zones, while you still can!!


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          • @alasanon

            Your not seeing high levels because the alpha particles and beta particles are moderated in the rain and do not produce enough of a wave signature to adequately detect them.
            However your canadian west coast is surrounded by highly concentrated radioactivity. So I doubt your rain will be radiation free for millennium to come…

            but to that respect the same is for the united states west coast so likewise. Have a good time in the rain. ‘Button up’. As they say


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          • alasanon

            Don’t wait around like Japan. Take ACTION to protect yourself. It really helps!

            The air out here seems great now vs. the spring…yet, how easily could you chalk that up to pollen??…

            When North Anna didn’t melt down, we caught a major break!!…That could have been the coup d’état.

            Be good & be strong, people!!


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          • alasanon

            Yes, good points, Tacoma. It’s coming. I’m glad that chunks aren’t falling here though.


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          • alasanon

            All I can report from the street is that there is none of that gritty, heavy air, as we had earlier. A few times it irritated my throat in the spring. (I don’t get spring allergy symptoms either.) It’s been incredibly fresh in coastal MD, VA, and DC lately (not at rush hour). Very grateful for my health & wish all the best for others!!


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          • Every morning (here in Tacoma) when the fog rolls in from the sound I can detect smell of sulfur in the air… I am quite sure that the mist is carrying particles from the puget sound into the cloud layer. This in my opinion is the hardest type of dispersion to protect your self from as it literally traps its self anywhere moisture is formed. I keep blankets stapled to my windows and have pillows over my heating vents in my room.

            This is a temporary solution to a much larger problem. However It is the snow that I fear. As with el nina coming in from the west, I expect a heavy snow season here this year. Any washington and oregon residents may want to be prepared to either button up or evacuate by next spring. If I am right about the radioactive / sulfur dioxide. Were in for a very unpleasant winter. Followed by an unimaginable spring. With many healths being permanently affected in our regions.

            A Plague of sickness and solitude. These are the sins that we bare.


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          • Bobby1

            I’m in MD and my arthritis is so bad today I couldn’t walk this morning.

            There is probably more radiation when the air smells clear & fresh after a cold front than before its passage.

            It might be alpha or beta radiation, and not show up on Geiger counters.


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          • VanneV anne

            Bobby1. I hope a raw vegan diet without gluten grains, without any processed oils and with ground flax seeds helps you as much as it helps me to avoid all medical problems. (I am 70 and use the diet to avoid the cancer I almost died of 22 years ago). I also avoid tomatoes.

            Diet: The Only Real Hope for Arthritis
            http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_arthritis_diet.html


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          • VanneV anne

            I also drink just water or tea I make myself from herbs and eat one raw lemon a day.


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          • Bobby1

            I have already changed my diet since Fuku and many of the symptoms have disappeared. I have lost 30 pounds (now at my weight goal), the inflammatory bowel syndrome and lichen planus have gone away. I have bought a medical-grade air filter for the home and this has helped. Unfortunately I am out of the house more than ever due to having to visit many grocery stores to obtain a radiation-free diet.

            The amount of toxics in the air have increased due to the change in weather.


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          • VanneV anne

            I lot of things can be bought on-line and delivered. I sprout my organic millet, buckwheat, quinoa, amaranth, and lentils and garbanzo beans at home. And this winter I will be growing microgreens at home. It takes time but life is worth it.

            I think Noah mentioned months ago special screens for your windows also.


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          • VanneV anne

            My Eldorado Springs water is also home delivered. I get it in boxes of 4 one-gallon bottles of #2 plastic. It is easy to pick up and use and I use it to soak my grains and beans.


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          • Bobby1

            It would be easier if I was a vegetarian. I’m not ready for that yet.

            I used to be a typical beer-guzzling, fast-food stuffing, animal flesh-gorging redneck. I changed my behavior because I had to, because it became a matter of life and death. It will take time to get used to the garbanzos and lentils.


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      • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

        No doubt your observations are correct about fog along the coast. Enviroreporter noticed that the rad counts increased every time they get fog in Santa Monica. A few weeks back, I stuck my head out the door in N. SF Bay (am) and was hit with a strong smell like a burnt match. Is that what you are smelling?

        More- it’s likely the abalones in N.Bay died not from algae alone (domoic acid did hit animals hard last yr.). The abalones pics showed they were entirely peeled away from their shells, as in a violent reaction. I’ve never seen abalones all twisted out of their shells. Also, a recent map showed what looked like a ‘finger’ of rad water reaching all the way to the West Coast. The Sea Lion cam at Pier 39 in SF so far looks normal. No word on the W. Coast tuna harvest though. More- A recent beaching of Anchorage AK seals is likely due to rad poisoning. The biologist is testing for it. A 100 seals(?) and a couple of walruses are missing most of their fur, have bleeding muc. membranes on flippers, inside mouth, eyes, and look miserable and very sick. What a terribly slow, nasty way to die.

        After viewing the UH video about tsunami debris hitting Midway Atoll by mid-winter instead of mid-2012, I sent the Midway Atoll Wildlife refuge the enenews link and asked them if the atoll could protect the marine life. Also asked if a man-made barrier could prevent tsunami jetsam from crushing corals. Of course, the water may be so lethal, it doesn’t matter that the atoll is littered with soggy doll heads, sticks from splintered houses, and pieces of rad metals and plastic flotsam. They will be lucky to not get concentrated radiation.

        Next year the death around the Pacific is going to be more horrific than the GOM and unstoppable. I’m hoping that people will be MAD not sad. I’d like that the OWS change the protest to local nuc plants and EPA offices. Speak up or forever hold your peace!


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        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Hello BTB,

          What a well said post. Thank you so much. Your researching the right things and hopefully, you will keep us all abreast of your findings and the information you discover. We all together here are on heck of a research team. Keep on keeping on people. Stay steadfast and true. You are right on…big giant blessings on you!


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      • http://www.kirotv.com/news/27364705/detail.html

        Here is the real truth as to who what where when why:

        Radioactive Seaweed Likely In Washington, But Not Harmful

        WATCH IT: Radioactive Seaweed Not A Threat To Washington
        Richard Thompson
        KIRO 7 Eyewitness News South Sound Bureau Chief Twitter | E-mail
        Posted: 6:17 pm PDT March 29, 2011
        Updated: 7:58 am PDT March 30, 2011

        OLYMPIA, Washington — Radioactive seaweed detected near Vancouver, B.C., is likely to be found on Washington state beaches, too, but doesn’t pose any threat to humans, researchers in Vancouver said.

        “The levels we are detecting are very, very low,” said Prof. Kris Starosta with Simon Fraser University. “These are tiny levels of radiation.”

        Starosta said the radioactive iodine 131 was released by damaged nuclear reactors in Japan, transmitted by rainwater and absorbed into the seaweed, which is known to readily absorb iodine. He said knowing that the radiation took about a week to reach the west coast of North America was the biggest benefit to his research.

        “This tells you what your window of opportunity to prepare and react if something catastrophic happens is,” Starosta said.

        Some people, like the operators of the Boston Harbor Marina in Olympia, wonder if radiation in seaweed could affect fish or other marine life.

        “If they tell us that it’s bad or dangerous, the last thing we are going to do is start eating the seaweed or the fish that’s contaminated,” Marcus Smythe said.

        But state health officials told KIRO 7 there is absolutely no reason to believe that the small amounts of radiation reaching Washington will have any negative consequences.

        The radiation is here now in Masses you couldn’t imagine; It had already been detected as of March 29th.

        They have lied to you all… Add every reactor release to the level from then until now…


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        • CB CB

          Thank You ENENEWS for your work. You are my #1 choice for the real news on this crisis. Some excerpts from your headlines from day 1 that stood out for me;
          Would be like Chernobyl on steroids” if spent fuel catches fire says nuclear engineer who works at identical plant — Each reactor holds 3,450 spent fuel assemblies
          Heading for U.S.? Radiation plume animation map from Fukushima
          Radiation around Fukushima nearing levels where “humans vomit uncontrollably” and “hair can be stripped from the body”
          Off the Scale: Geiger counter goes wild 60-70 km WEST of Fukushima
          Forecast map of radioactive clouds show threat to U.S. west coast
          France says Japan has lost control, French should leave country
          EU Energy Commissioner calls Fukushima an “Apocalypse” — “Almost everything is out of control”
          Tokyo has lost almost all control of events at Fukushima: Energy Official
          Exposed: Radiation “streaming into atmosphere” after No.4 pool boiled dry in fire – UK Paper
          Radiation expert: It’s “the beginning of the catastrophic phase” — “Maybe we have to pray”
          “Yellow rain” around Tokyo caused by pollen officials say – Rain may have contained radioactivity
          UPDATE: Neutron beams suggest uranium and plutonium have leaked and nuclear fission has occurred
          Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? “Abnormal” readings on 8 of 18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington — Devices now “undergoing quality review
          Comparisons with X-rays and CT scans “meaningless” — Inhaling particles increases radiation exposure by “a factor of a trillion” says expert
          March 24, BBC: Neutrons are emitted during a “nuclear chain reaction” — March 20, Kyodo: “Nuclear chain reaction” feared at spent fuel pool
          Radiation from Japan Found in Milk from Washington — EPA, FDA “stepping up nationwide monitoring”


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          • CB CB

            “and” I get two post because I don’t speak very much.
            NY Times contributor confirms California rainwater 181 times above drinking water standards for radioactive iodine-131
            Airliner makes emergency landing in Midwest — Four passengers being held in sterile room
            Radioactive Iodine-131 in rainwater sample near San Francisco 18,100% above federal drinking water standard
            Don’t drink the rainwater says State of Virginia (VIDEO)
            EPA finds DRINKING water with radioactive iodine-131 in Idaho and Washington — Samples collected last week
            EPA: Boise rainwater has highest levels of radioactive material in US… 80 times amount of I-131 allowed in drinking water — “Officials had no explanation
            Public authorities avoiding details that may trigger alarm or panic — “They don’t want to go there” says former advisor to US secretary of energy
            Nuclear Expert on CNN “astonished” at how Japan gov’t and TEPCO are handling this major international crisis (VIDEO
            Enraged nuclear expert: “I’m personally furious at the government for this misleading information” that downplays ingesting milk with iodine-131
            Maryland senior scientist: “Very surprised” over radioactive iodine-131 findings — “A fat red bar” on graph never seen before
            Arkansas milk 300% above EPA’s maximum contaminant level for radioactive iodine-131… 11 days ago
            Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
            Cesium-137 levels in Vermont milk at 66% of maximum contaminant level allowed by EPA
            Phoenix milk sample exceeds EPA’s maximum contaminant level for radioactive iodine-131
            State and city NOT testing drinking water for radioactivity because of EPA — EPA is “taking the lead”
            “The government doesn’t care if you’re going to have a few extra cases of cancer” says worker for monitoring program funded by US Dept. of Energy
            Fairewinds: US news outlets said there’s “no threat to health” from Fukushima… The opposite of what all the studies say about radiation and cancer EPA Stopping Daily Monitoring…


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          • Whoopie Whoopie

            YOU GOT IT CB! Every frigging thing we’ve seen has been LIES!!! Good god we are in BIG CHIT. :(


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  • Jebus

    Fukushima Is Forever
    by Gar Smith – October 19, 2011

    We’ll be grappling with radiation danger for years to come

    The timeline for catastrophe has shifted. We used to fear “once-in-a-lifetime” floods. Today we face epochal calamities like climate change and intergenerational traumas like the Bhopal chemical explosion and the BP oil spill, which, according to the latest reports, is once again leaking toxic crude into the Gulf of Mexico.

    What lessons can we draw from our latest atomic angst? One consistent lesson from Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima is clear: plant operators and government officials inevitably cover-up and lie. The Japanese utility TEPCO lied when it insisted its reactors were “under control.” Instead, full meltdowns occurred at three of the six reactors, 600,000 spent fuel rods were at risk of burning off into the atmosphere, and the fallout was ten times greater than officially reported. Plutonium rained down 28 miles from the plant and strontium-90 turned up 155 miles away – well outside the official 12-mile “Evacuation Zone.”….

    http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/fukushima_is_forever


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Thanks Jebus. Posted here
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
      STOP THE F*****G WORLD!! I WANT OFF! God I am so upset at this new news.


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      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        I made the mistake of watching NHK-TV / English today. They featured a very cheery story about how the contamination around Fukushima was all being cleaned up and the NPPs were being stabilized.

        It showed Minamisoma children running quickly with their dosimeters into their schools which had closed windows. They are not allowed to stay or play outside. I couldn’t help but think that the reporter was doing a double entendre as he showed a geiger counter reading from a nearby lot and stated with his same happy voice, that the reading was 9.999uSv/hr! That’s right, virtually 10 micro Sieverts per hour! This in a happy voice. OMG!

        The reporter concluded the story by saying that 60% of the children had not returned even though the mandatory evacuation had been lifted, and that the officials were looking into raising the exposure limit for children by another one milliesievert / year.


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  • http://www.doh.wa.gov/topics/japan-faq.htm

    The heart is deceitful above all things; These are the worst answers and most despicable lies I have read since the first day of this entire crisis!!!


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  • CB CB

    We should create an ENENEWS log and entomb it into a Huge Pyramid. Maybe the next go rounder’s 500,000,000 years from now will learn from our mistakes.


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    • TheWorldIsBlind

      *we had our warning*

      Mars –

      http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/02/was-mars-nuked

      Yeah ill say it, I think we came from mars, we fucked up there, came here, and fucked up again…


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      • CB CB

        My daughter says boys are from Jupiter cuz their stupider. I’ve been studying that for 10 years or so, it used to be my hobby. Cydonia, the face, the fleet, cattle mutilations, human mutilations, Phoenix, 51, reverse engineering, everything. This is covered up the same way. Disinformation, deceiving, and killing, mockery, and shameful for thinking about something so taboo by society.


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        • americancommntr

          The book, “Alien Intrusion”, is a good one. It asserts that while some UFO’s are military, some are indeed alien. Only, instead of galactic or intergalactic, the aliens are interdimensional. One of the most telling evidences of who they are, which researchers found from interviewing those molested or about to be, was that the abduction attempts always stopped when the person ordered the aliens to stop, in the name of Jesus.

          Regarding mutilations, I think the theory it was germ warfare researchers checking cattle for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, has probably solved that issue.


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          • americancommntr

            There was a story on the Internet about a mutilation in recent times, from the Colorado Springs area. It was within the last 3 or 5 years. Two ranchhands were working calves, and a calf they just did some work on, was mutilated within 1500 feet of, and in sight of, where they were working. They saw nothing while they worked but found the calf later, a bit down in a drainageway. This brings up the possibility, if not likelihood, that invisibility technology was already perfected some time ago.


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          • americancommntr

            Where I grew up, two incidents took place, back about 1976 or 77. A cow was mutilated less than a mile away. Not but a year or two after that, in a September, my family had come home about 5:30pm, to find a couple lights down in the field, other side of the creek, beyond sycamore and cedar trees. Shortly after a helicopter lifted off. It was one with big pontoon type ‘feet’. Now either someone was joyriding, sampling our land for some mineral, or up to no good with our cows.


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      • lam335 lam335

        Interesting article. If I remember correctly, in the Battle of Chernobyl documentary, they say that the Soviet scientists’ greatest fear was that, if a hydrogen explosion resulted from the molten core hitting the water under the reactor, that explosion might somehow trigger a nuclear detonation, which would cause a far bigger explosion than the one inside the reactor itself. They feared that the resulting blast could devastate a HUGE swath of Europe. This was why they thought it so pressing to dig under the reactor and place lead bricks and boron to stop the core. Does anyone know if that is really possible (i.e., hydrogen explosion triggering nuclear detonation)?

        According to the link someone posted the other day about the corium, two of Fuku’s melted cores are between 3 and 4 cubic meters (if I remember correctly) and the other is between 1 and 2 cubic meters of molten radioactive metals. I’m obviously not a nuclear physicist, but I would imagine that’s way more fissile material than there was in any of the atomic/nuclear bombs that have been detonated.

        Not to be alarmist, but is that sort of scenario a genuine possibility in Fukushima?


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        • Yes that scenario is the exact term of a china syndrome.

          At this point we are theoretically only experiencing a melt through. However if the fuel creates large amounts of hydrogen the neutron moderation would dwindle between the lighter than air gasses. At that point the neutron bombardment would reactivate en masse criticality. Or for better words a hypercritically.

          Once the fuel is superheated it becomes unstable and implodes. It would suck the whole reactor inside out, pushing its 1300 ton uranium payload into the jet stream and across the globe. This is a terrifying possibility that tepco has yet to completely acknowledge. One of many crimes that you can add to their list on their path to mass genocide; If not extinction of the human race…

          China syndrome:
          A hypothetical nuclear power plant accident in which the molten uranium of the ruined core will coalesce into a single superheated mass and melt its way down to the groundwater below the plant, causing a violent steam explosion and dispersing even larger quantities of radioactive material.

          Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/china-syndrome#ixzz1bHbtzMEy


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          • americancommntr

            You know, maybe that’s what happened in the reactor 3 core ejection?

            The web video of the Russian story did not elaborate, but mentioned fear of explosion from corium reaching water in concrete enclosed spaces beneath the reactor.

            A superheated steam reaction from a ‘prompt criticality’, from corium suddenly pouring down into a blob of critical mass, could I suppose generate, possibly, a megaton+ explosion from the combination of sudden heat and superhigh steam pressure. Sort of like Mt. Saint Helens or Krakatoa.

            Maybe there is somehow a possibility of ‘inertial confinement fusion’ if corium is compressed by sudden extreme pressure. The Russians invented “red mercury”, which is mercury-antimony oxide, reportedly, that has been neutron enriched. It is set off without a nuclear trigger, by implosion from high explosive.


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          • americancommntr

            Inertial confinement fission, more properly.


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          • Misitu

            “Once the fuel is superheated it becomes unstable and implodes. It would suck the whole reactor inside out, pushing its 1300 ton uranium payload into the jet stream and across the globe.”

            Taco, please.

            I want to remind ourselves once again that we are apparently no.5 top website in the Ota district of Tokyo and have some responsibility to keep our act clean, meaning among various things (a) polite language and (b) logical plausibility.

            Arithmetic is one problem with your statement as the tonnage stated is at variance with the listed quantities in the various reactors and pools.

            As I said: please!


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          • Misitu

            to americancommntr

            re “The Russians invented “red mercury”, which is mercury-antimony oxide, reportedly, that has been neutron enriched. It is set off without a nuclear trigger, by implosion from high explosive.”

            Sorry, there is a more plausible story here
            at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury

            “Red mercury is a 19th-century term for protiodide or iodide of mercury. [...] The term was adopted in the 1970s from redmercuriciodide (mercury(II) iodide) as part of several hoax substances of uncertain composition purportedly used in the creation of nuclear bombs, as well as a variety of unrelated weapons systems.”

            Unresearched posts limit the credibility of this site.

            M.


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          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            I’m in total agreement with you Misitu—

            Unresearched posts limit the credibility of this site.

            To which I would add exaggeration, hyperbole. and over-the-top drama!


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          • Misitu

            dharmasyd, thanks.


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        • lam335 lam335

          This is the way the world ends
          This is the way the world ends
          This is the way the world ends
          Not with a bang but a whimper.

          Actually, the way things have been going, it might just be both–a big bang in Japan, followed by whimpers across the world.


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        • lam335 lam335

          So why didn’t the Japanese even try to dig underground and place more barriers in the path of the corium, as the Soviets did?


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          • Misitu

            Because (a) it’s below sea level and (b) nobody can get near due to intense radiation.

            And (c) because Japan is a Modern Country and has strict Health And Safety Regulations.


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          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            I think also it might have been that the early melt downs got everything beyond control so quickly that they could not react in time. Maybe! Maybe not!


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          • Misitu

            Agreed, dharmasyd ..

            My belief being that some readers are still trying to come to terms with the calamity and cannot get their heads round the severe difficulty of doing anything at the site.

            My comment about H&S was childish, sorry all.

            Agreed there is nothing much to be done and the physical nature of the site and construction increased the risks hugely: both its proximity to groundwater, its soft bedrock, and of course lumping the reactors so closely together. Oops!: I also forgot the decades of negligent maintenance.

            As we see, there can have been NO plan B:multiple melts.


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      • James Tekton James Tekton

        TWIB,

        You are really close.

        Goes back to a time on marduk, then one aeon on mars. And now, the mass soul has choosen to incarnate on earth as humans.

        And here we go again.

        Another turn of the celestial wheel and here comes the Lord!

        That one that comes through our system every 3,600 years or so. The great equalizer. Nemisis…wormwood…and hercobolic in it’s approach…like a basket ball going through a billiard ball table…it just LORDS it’s way through our system…and it is coming to a theater near you soon.

        Heard Zacharia Sitchen speak back in 96 once.

        Check it out. Saw this the other day. Leaves one to reconsider what the real priorities are in these precious days of life itself.:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQUS_sdXDU

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVD7s2bAYC0

        This needs more discovery.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        Very interesting find.


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    • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

      I agree, but it should be little tiny books that ants can read.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    What we ALL need to do is LIST THE LIES since 3/11. I’m so sick of this crap I plan on making a PowerPoint Presentation (hopefully) that points right where the BLAME lies:
    THE NRC. Tell you what, the next Troll that comes on here spouting the SAFETY of these Reactors will get a swift kick in the bu** from me. Good grief, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Night all.


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    • Misitu

      Whoopie.

      Sometimes the trolls don’t talk about reactor safety. Sometimes they talk about daft things and make the site look silly. As we now have a bit of a readership this becomes important.

      I for one appreciate your efforts. I was thinking about moseying over to HP to see if I could help you out, so I had a look. But in the end I decided to concentrate my limited resources here. I think you are doing well, please keep it up.

      All the best
      Misitu.


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  • arclight arclight

    we posted on enenews that the larger items would move quicker because of the action of the wind on the raised surfaces…behind the advance larger objects is a slower moving smaller items semi submerged…which could reach hawaii some time later… hawaii might be getting a long inundation of these materials…anyone flown a plane over this stuff to check for gamma radiation??? that might be interesting!!


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  • Lee Binder

    are they smart enough to actually and simply LAB-TEST the debris for radiation now ????


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  • Human0815

    The People need to look carefully,
    the majority of this Rubble
    came from further North,
    the Sanriku-Coastline,
    this is far away from F’Shima!

    (ca. 250Km.)


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    • arclight arclight

      @ human
      have you a link for that?
      a piece of a boat pulled out of the water on the news had fukushima written on it (it was explained)!

      the Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant is near there? (recently photoshoped on the google earth)! it received a 7.6 meter wave and the wave got higher as you move north from there!

      daichi got hit with a under a 5 meter wave i believe!

      peace


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  • HardLeft

    This SUCKS, as I really wanted at least one more summer of bodyboarding and surfing, it looks like I may not get it.

    Maybe that seems superficial, but it’s one of the few things that keeps depression away.

    As usual, Tacoma, most respectfully, I do not agree with all of your thoughts– particularly about the sulphur smell. But I do not live in the northwest, perhaps I would feel differently if I were experiencing this directly.

    Here is the report for this week from Los Angeles:

    * EnviroReporter is showing low numbers in Santa Monica despite heavy fog, which seems strange because…

    * RADNET is still showing wild spikes above 300 Gross Beta Count, some of the highest since the accident.

    * Marine life so far is not visibly affected. I have seen the usual wild abundance of sharks, dolphins, rays and skates that I usually see this time of year about 50 yards offshore. There were shark researchers snorkeling next to us out on the lineup, and they were surfacing and shouting excitedly whenever they saw a big leopard. A very healthy looking dolphin surfaced about 10 feet away from me.

    Of course, this does not mean the critters are not contaminated, just that they are not showing any signs of illness yet.


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    • James Tekton James Tekton

      Good report HL,

      Thanks for the great reporting. Grwew up in the So Bay. Many a great memory of

      Where are you surfing at?

      There is real reason to stay on the edge of researching in tha LA area. Most of all the material things come trhough the long beach harbors so if there are radioactive material things coming into the area from the imports, we all need to know. Pleas do all you can to hook up with a Geiger counter, or with someone who has one. Spend the money and time to get the best you can get.:

      http://medcom.com/products/inspector-alert

      This is a took that will serve your children if we make it that far.

      Peace be with you.


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      • James Tekton James Tekton

        Accidental discharge. Please skip and read below.


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      • HardLeft

        Thanks, James. I was in Santa Monica just south of Ocean Park on Monday at around noon.

        As for getting an Inspector, whoa! They are only $60?! Is that possible? If so, I will order one, learn how to use it (figure out the averaging, etc) and post more detailed reports. May take me a few weeks to get that sorted out.

        I would kind of like to check the soles of my shoes, my car air filter… and my swimming pool. Which I have a bad feeling about.

        Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it just took on a light shower of Iodine 131 in the late spring and it’s mostly decayed out. Maybe the Cesium wound up in someone else’s backyard.

        Somehow, I don’t think so.

        Anyway, thanks. I’ll ask around about the container thing if I can find anyone I know in Long Beach.


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    • James Tekton James Tekton

      Good report HL,

      Thanks for the great reporting. Grew up in the So Bay area. Many a great memory of those days. :)

      Where are you surfing at?

      There is real reason to stay on the edge of researching in the LA area and a big bless for your care to post here. Most of all the material things come through the long beach harbors that go into the country, so if there are radioactive material things coming into the area from the imports we all need to know.

      What we have heard is there are less than ever ships coming in because of the economic crash that is soon coming. The globalists are more worried about this planned collapse, than they are about radiation. What kind of mindset is that? Walmart knows that Christmas is going to be skinny, or not at all.

      Please do all you can to hook up with a Geiger counter, or with someone who has one and share ASAP your reports. Spend the money and time to get the best you can get.:

      http://medcom.com/products/inspector-alert

      This is a tool that will serve you and your children well if we make it that far.

      Yes, enjoy it while you can.

      Peace be with you all.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      The ones you are seeing,…….are not showing any signs. Does that mean that there are not sickly one’s laying low or dying? No it does not.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Was Cayce’s Prediction Wrong or Did It Just Begin?
    **** Cayce makes a couple more mentions of the pole shifts. When talking of future problems, he only brings it up a few times over the many years he gave readings. They are wide-spread and not very precise.
    …begins in ’58 and ends when the changes wrought in the upheavals and the shifting of the poles, as begins then the reign in ’98.
    As to the changes physical again: The earth will be broken up in the western portion of America. The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling of an eye. Land will appear off the east coast of America. There will be the upheavals in the Arctic and in the Antarctic that will make for eruption of volcanoes in the Torrid areas, and there will be the shifting then of the poles – so that where there has been those of a frigid or the semitropical will become the more tropical, and moss and fern will grow. And these will begin those periods in ’58 to ’98, when these will be proclaimed as the periods when His light will be seen again in the clouds.****

    http://www.theastralworld.com/prophecies/edgar-cayce-predictions.php

    What is troubling is I think he really had a gift. A nuclear event, underground, IN a fault zone or line, could certainly trigger a cataclysmic chain of events which, I think, could tear Japan to pieces. There are also the network of lava tubes under Japan to think about…seems like a nuke explosion in/through a lava tube would result in a Volcanic event in response to the underground pressure. Neither would be a good result. Both seem likely to occur now that the corium has escaped to where it should not be. What if Cayce was right about Japan going into the sea? He seems to be right about many other things….


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    • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

      This is a scary thought, Anthony, especially after seeing Akira Kurasawa’s Mt. Fuji in Red…I didn’t think about lava.

      Just to update, it doesn’t seem like the baking soda worked in my room. I am still measuring high radiation, 0.42, on the carpet where I sprinkled it and vaccuumed…

      Especially after the article about the neutron rays and debris, I am more concerned about what’s happening and how much this is going to continually affect the rest of the world. It’s true that the tiger has escaped, and there is no containing it now…


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Good morning WCG,

    Thanks for your reports.

    Are you measuring in micro-sieverts?

    Is this .420 micro-sieverts??

    If so, yes, that is hotter than normal which is said to be from .040-.080 micro-sieverts.

    What you might consider is your shoes. Do you ware them into your home? Please take a measurement off the bottoms of your favorite shoes and report that.

    How about freshly washed beach sand? Or some ocean water?? Have you or anyone else checked that?

    Again, please also share your info on the radiation reports forum linked at the right up there.

    Is anyone keeping track of the readings we are getting across the country? Maybe admn can make us a map and attach all the latest readings to it on the previously mentioned forum? Might be something everyone in the country would want to see??

    Just a thinking out loud here…


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    • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

      It is microsieverts, 0.42…anything above 0.40 indicates high background radiation on the Geiger counter.

      The thing is I just moved in here. I have been living here less than a week, and not home often, so I think the levels were here before I moved in. I rarely wear my shoes in the house.

      The background radiation has measured this high quite a few times in the area when bike riding, even higher, actually (0.49-0.50uSV) and on the ground. It’s not as high as some places, but still pretty high, especially since a few months ago the levels seemed much lower on average.


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  • pure water

    About predictions – this exact situation of contaminated Northern hemisphere this year was predicted by Vanga, a dead prophet. She died exactly 10 years ago. She predicted The third world war starting in 2010. No body noticed such thing, like most of people do not notice contamination now. Her predictions were studied and about 70% of things really happen. Russians were stunned when their atomic submarine “Kursk” sank and remembered this prediction which they did not understand at first, because Kursk is well known as a town away from sea. For those who would like to read more:
    http://www.theastralworld.com/prophecies/babavanga.php
    “baba”means grandmother.
    And she continues with many years ahead. So -just do the right thing and do not bother. No body knows really the future, so, we can try to improve something in it. As much, as we can


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Thanks for the link Pure Water!!!! Vanga reminds me of my own Great-Baba (great grandmother) and she even looks a little like her! Author claims to publish the site in 2009, two years BEFORE 311 happened. It is interesting that Vanga tapped into the reality of the Hemisphere…. roundabout as it may be, it is still a valid description of our UNIQUE time and situation.

      **2011: As a result of the war, radioactive showers will destroy almost all life in the Northern Hemisphere. The remaining Europeans will face an even further threat from the Muslims who will use chemical weapons to finish them off.**

      My point is if Vanga made the prediction as credited, she did it before her passing in 1996!!!!! Clairvoyance is not always about “exactness” and is often abstract in nature and style.

      So if she was right about the radiation, then might she also be right about *radioactive showers destroying nearly all the life* in the Northern Hemisphere – because war or not, we certainly have the poisonous showers she foretold and forewarned about. Right on time as she predicted, in 2011.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        Oh yeah – and to add to the “coincidental or prophetic” quality to her 2011 prediction is the FACT that THE DAY Fukushima began its dissemination of fallout across the Northern Hemisphere I sat dumbfounded as ‘WE’ appeared to and truly DID march off to war against Libya, literally as CNN showed the plant. I was also taken aback at the alliances “The World” seemed to have formed as we entered the war that day. My grandma and I said it was World War Three as we watched between channels about Fukushima and Libya. I remember feeling helpless as the world was focused on Libya instead of a nuclear disaster. To me the greatest danger seemed obvious in the precarious and tenuous situation developing on day one at Fukushima. The ‘world’ was at the War, willingly, instead of rallying the worlds might we it was needed in Japan. The war guaranteed nothing was accomplished to contain the nuclear danger. This is sure fitting the predictions if you consider it this way rather than a rigid literal context.

        I’ll do a wayback on the site to see if it was indeed published in 2009. If it was…. well, I don’t know how one could dismiss this prediction as invalid. It appears she had all the pieces right about this event back in 1996. We started a war the day the radiation began to poison the Hemisphere as she predicted. You should read the rest of what she predicted.


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  • pure water

    I may be wrong about the year of her death. She was a cancer victim and refused the usual treatment.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    I lifted this off of the official wayback snapshot of the website in Feb 2009:
    2011: As a result of the war, radioactive showers will destroy almost all life in the Northern Hemisphere. The remaining Europeans will face an even further threat from the Muslims who will use chemical weapons to finish them off.


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