TV: Work at Fukushima plant to go on for 10,000 years? Nuclear Expert: “It’s longer than human history” (VIDEO)

Published: November 19th, 2013 at 3:47 pm ET
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Arirang’s ‘Prime Talk’, August 30, 2013 (at 1:45 in):

Dr. Suh Kune-yull, Professor of Nuclear Engineering at Seoul National University: [Freezing the soil around Fukushima reactors] sounds more like a sci-fi story, science fiction. We call this permafrost — frosting the soil — for 50 years and as long as 10,000 years. It’s longer than human history, it’s just unrealistic.

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Arirang’s ‘Prime Talk’, August 30, 2013 (at 1:30 in):

Dr. Suh Kune-yull, Professor of Nuclear Engineering at Seoul National University: I call this permafrost which [is] really freezing the soil but to me sounds more like a science fiction because they have to be doing this for work at least 50 years and as long as 10,000 years. So I think they were probably going to give this up one of these months. […]

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69 comments to TV: Work at Fukushima plant to go on for 10,000 years? Nuclear Expert: “It’s longer than human history” (VIDEO)

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    In the business world, I think it is called overhead.

    Some call it buzz kill.


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    • Gradius

      I don't care anymore, is impossible to revert what happened in Fukushima with 3x Plutonium explosion for almost 3 years (2,8 years) and 410,000T of highly radioactive water into the Ocean. We'll be ALL dead in 20~30 years, perhaps even sooner. In U.S. that typhoon got that nuclear site with at least 380 grams of pure Plutonium into the open air, 500 grams is enough to kill every living thing on this Planet. Plutonium is 100,000 more toxic than Uranium. We all done for.


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      • KirkLazarus KirkLazarus

        I was going to say you are wrong, then I thought about it. I wonder if there will be a slow decline in large marine mammals and fishes or if some type of threshold will be crossed that causes everything to die mostly all at once, becuase that will stink really really bad.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What a burden to bear for future generations..and what if by circumstance the population can not keep up this work?
    What is sickness..hunger..disease..change of environment…such as earthquake..etc. make it impossible to carry on the work?

    What hubris..what ignorance…
    Paradise lost.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    F A C T . I S

    This nuclear disaster will go on for hundreds of years, as there is no solution.


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  • Sickputer

    The earth has experienced five mass extinction events, the last affecting the dinosaurs.

    The destruction of the globe's ecosphere means humans are at danger of the SEE (Sixth Extinction Event).

    Unparalleled in earth's history because this event is not generated by climate changes, earth disasters, or other universe object collisions.

    We have met the enemy and he is us.

    The hope is that we do not go the path of the dodo or passenger pigeon. A mass extinction event can be 60% to 100% of species. Perhaps some humans will survive because of the fortunes of geography or superior survival skills. Migration being top of the list of survival
    strategies.

    Fukushima Daiichi NPP is the biggest survival test for the Northern Hemisphere since the end of the last Ice Age. Other human-generated toxins and disaster may hasten the extinction process, but for now Fukushima is Public Enemy Number One. A name to be equated with Hitler and Stalin. But much harder to kill.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @Sickputer: I'm glad others are facing the hard reality of what we're facing. "Migration being top of the list of survival strategies." is a fundamental truth to all natural organisms. Long ago, a lightning strike ignited a raging fire that threatened all within its path. Only those with the means to move fast enough to stay ahead of the hungry flames, survived. The time for lamentations and recriminating accusation is over. Our entire species is now at the cliff's edge. The only question that needs answering at this point, will we have the courage to take flight…


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    • mesa777

      Guess we could always hope for a major extraterrestrial object to strike the facility, that would do the job!


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Nothing can stop the melted cores from leaking into the ground from the plant except human bodies. Humans stopped Chernobyl's melt just in time. TEPCO and Japan waited until nothing could be done to stop the cores uncontrolled decent. Ice walls don't stop radiation and boron injections can only be a short term solution to prevent critical events. People will have to recover the cores if they want to stop contamination. Human lives would have to be used to stop a reaction 1 week after the event. It's been much longer than that and the cores are missing.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    It was called the "Frozen Wall". This idea represented a takeover of the Fuku-mess by the Japanese Government, which actually issued POs for the contract. It consists of pipe wells driven about 100' deep, which circulate a coolant that freezes the ground, forming a barrier to water.

    The Frozen Wall has the same function as the Impermeable Wall, which consists of sheet metal interlocking tubes, which are driven into the ground about 100'. When the Government ordered the Frozen Wall, TEPCO stopped construction of the Impermeable Wall. The advantage of the Impermeable Wall isthat it still may be around in 1000 years, while the Frozen Wall is not likely to be functioning that far in the future.

    My take is this: Scrap the Frozen Wall. Expand the Impermeable Wall in a rectangle completely around Units1-4. Have two crews working on both ends of the wall, in order to speed up construction. Right now, the lack of such a wall allows groundwater to flow freely under Units1-3, and it picks up enormous contamination from the corium lava tubes under those 3 reactors. This contamination is creating an expanding "Fukushima Zone Of Death" in the Pacific Ocean, where few life forms can survive. This must be stopped ASAP. Peace. Out.


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    • We Not They Finally

      PhilipUpNorth, I believe that a previous article said that the impermeable wall they tried had already FAILED. And obviously, this is just not some ordinary old construction site, where you send in the hard hats to brave a little mud because "that's just what guys do."

      I don't even know how what you keep suggesting could work AT ALL if coriums have already met the aquifer. No one can get down that far even without getting fried. And that's waters flowing under the earth, not down from the mountains.

      Impermeable wall???


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  • weeman

    I could believe that in 10,000 years they will have removed the corium from reactors, but the isotopes that escaped into the environment, never to be contained again and the only thing that will resolve, is time on a almost uncomprehencable frame.
    If Fukushima does not kill us, the next will or the accumulative effects of several accidents will, it is a given, if we don't change our evil ways.


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  • soern

    all well said .-)
    But "but for now Fukushima is Public Enemy Number One. A name to be equated with Hitler and Stalin. But much harder to kill."
    There are waiting over 400 NPPs worldwide to follow Fukushima to be public enenmy Nr 1 after maintainance will fail.
    Its a Domino which has started already.
    Migration will happen successfully with a geiger counter and by foot as planes and cars will not be available then, lack of currence to get them fueled up, no spare parts and so on.
    Also our networks like internet, telephone, post services will break down with no elektricity.
    If anybody survives coming times, he/she should have stone age skills! – hard to achieve nowadays;-)
    I guess, we (around 50 Years old) and our children will experience all that. Our children will be the last generation before new stone age. Mankind will have to reduce to some (by nature) tolerable number which probably is far under 10 Millions.
    We dont live eternally and it is redicolous to claim this.
    I intend to be a flower in my next life :-)


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Human DNA will be shot full of holes in just a few years. 10 thousand years is completely stupid to even conceive now. Not likely the oxygen level will be in sufficient amounts for life to exist here by then. Killing the oceans of Earth is not a wise idea in terms of long term survival. Einstein was right about at least one thing, human stupidity is indeed infinite.


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  • Sol Man

    There is a possibility, albeit an infinitesimally small one, that we will come back again in about 3 1/2 billion years, but more likely, not at all, ever again.

    Great sorrow for all of the children and everybody else.


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    • mesa777

      Once humans rid themselves from the plant full life will return regardless of 100 Fukushima disasters. It will take millions of years to repair nature but it will re appear! This time hopefully we will not be around to do any more damage to this planet that we have just trashed!!! It makes me absolutely sick t think how mankind has treated this planet! We may have all deserved what may be around the corner from this man made disaster! I think of the sea life, fish, whales, birds, everything that the ocean brings, we are the ocean.


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  • American Phoenix57

    The lens of history will record that a cabal of disaster capitalist and their military industrial corporations induced a global cancer epidemic with multiple technologies of mass destruction (radiological, chemical and biological)as part of an oil conservation by depopulation agenda.


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  • Socrates

    How about placing human DNA in the seed vault. 10,000 Years from now an incubator will hatch the human race again. Naw – then the human race would again destroy the planet. Maybe with some genetic engineering beforehand to get rid of the stupid gene. GMO humans with a Montsano patent of course.

    Well the mighty will fall. Look on the bright side. They can't take it with them. Mother Nature will just make super cockroaches to take over.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      @Socrates What with the damage done to Earth, we can now wonder if a mutant race of nine foot tall mantises, or perhaps giant scorpions mixed in with the super cockroaches? Many creatures could indeed benefit from Fuku dust exposure.


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    This thread has the most depressing comments I've ever read.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      The reality of nuclear power does that to you…


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      • Gasser Gasser

        But wait! There's Obama Care, huh huh huh?


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        • ftlt

          Gasser: I'm no fan of Obama-care… But, probably for far different reasons than the bilge that is sprayed about by the right wing fascist slaver cousins, the teabaggers and libertarians and their ilk…

          The FUFU problem and most anti-Obama-care acolytes and zealots have more in common than you would think..

          If we had the humanity to provide guaranteed real quality healthcare to all (not some phony insurance company protectionist Nat. health program), we would probably would not be having many of our other problems – including FUFU…

          The Rense/Alex Jones slaver connections to this issue and this MB disturb me.. Are you a devotee of their hater bilge???


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    • We Not They Finally

      zardoz, that's true. It's the first thread we've seen where NO ONE seems to be in denial. Well, except maybe PhilipUp North, who is still pushing "the impermeable wall." But he's a good guy and with lots of expertise. Let's give him a break.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      sure does zardoz2012. Seems as though some would be only too happy to see the end. Fortunately for me (and a few others I might add), I know it doesn't end for our species. Along with the drab jumpsuits (that everyone wears day-to-day), we do harbor a deep and unspoken sense of sadness behind our daily tasks. But as melancholy as that future is (and it is), we also know that it is up to each and everyone of us to salvage what little is left. Only those with advanced means to get past these dark times, find themselves heralding-in the next age. But alas, others with less vision must be satisfied with each random spin of the wheel…

      Death is the inevitable endgame for all lifeforms. Transcending the threat of such 'extinction' is fundamental to all advanced beings. Knowing how to do so is the key to each beings ascension within the continuum and ultimate fulfillment…

      Have fun with the dream of life. Know that your vision is central to breaking the bonds that bind each of us, to the illusion of death…


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    • SadieDog

      I don't know why that made me laugh really hard.


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  • rogerthat

    yup, zardoz, definition of an optimist is one who thinks he will die before enenews goes viral, the general population wakes up and the world goes pear-shaped


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  • We Not They Finally

    The scientist above think that a frozen wall would have to be monitored for a minimum of 50 years? What about the 70+ years ALREADY of nuclear spent fuel all across the world that will have to be monitored forever?

    It was always forever. Now it's just a somewhat more urgent "forever."


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  • rogerthat

    TPTB are tightening their grip, the MSM lid is firmly on, so that might be a while


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  • rogerthat

    short-term thinking all the go. there is no long term for humanity to worry about any more


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  • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

    So, let's do some back-of-the-envelope…

    How many BTU's do three corium constantly create
    + how many BTU's does the aquifer constantly add
    + how many BTY's does the surrounding earth constantly add

    Sum that up and by golly, you are going to need a nuclear power plant to provide enough energy to run the freezing units. Oh, and you'll need duplicate units for maintenance and breakdowns…

    Roughly speaking, that solution is what Col. Potter would call, "Horse Pucky".


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    Look this is a serious suggestion. We all know there is no solution for this ELE problem. Why don't we stop wasting our time lamenting the situation, and instead create our own society? Meetup groups? Whatever! Just get together and have fun.

    Celebrate living while we are still alive. And always look on the bright side.

    For instance, I just realized that I no longer have to worry about opening up a savings account or getting a 401K. That's one burden lifted from me. Children? Who cares if I don't have any children. I really don't have the patience to raise them. Now? No pressure at all.

    Eat the slice of pizza with bacon on it. Get the $40 massage at that creepy place downtown. Ride the rails like a cross-country travelling hobo.

    The world is yours. :)


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  • MichaelV MichaelV

    Dr. Suc Kune-yull…my new hero.

    Look out Japan, it's not the Korea you once knew…now they got teeth..!


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  • charlie3

    What an extraordinary group of people we have posting here.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    :) TY
    Yes, we are quite a creative group of thinkers…


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  • Kashiko Kashiko

    The madness comes when you know you are 100% screwed.


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  • byron byron

    Who will watch over exiting NPPs? These monsters and their poo (in pools) constantly need a feeding of cool electricity to keep from spreading fallout. Even shutting them All down this instant still requires humans to make sure electricity keeps them from melting down or exploding. Indefinitely!! Humans committed to making electricity endlessly when they started this mess. Not very long before last human dies, glowing blue — too sick to know how to care for NPP or their poo ponds…
    .. Another question, hopefully not off topic too much. How are the highly, highly, highly enriched cores (in silos or on subs) intended as weapons going to be managed if humans do not exist? Won't they be angry because they aren't being loved? The remaining sick animals won't like that..


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  • flatsville

    Oddly, for people who are not in denial, as a group you spend an inordinate amoumt of time spitballing and analizing bad info, incomplete info and outright lies from JapGov and Tepco. Why bothrer?

    What passes as "fully aware"sounds more like paralytic despair. The few people with technical expertise get crapped on when they make recos for mitigation.

    The vocal anti-nuke majority doesn`t want to support enviro group lawyers to shut nuke plants down, but happily pays their electric bills to support the pro-nuke lawyers. They encourage anti-nuke ballot initiatives as though they magically appear printed on election day without a great deal of legal expense to get them on the ballot and keep them there.

    This has been interesting observing this play out thus far. Not encouraging, but interesting.

    I often think the pro-nuke forces are just gleeful reading much of this.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      I think the raids is getting to you flats, you have a giant bulbous thing on top of your shoulders…


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Flats do the best you can. When the nukes start flying around the world and/or when a Carrington Event happens/occurs taking out 400 nuclear reactors and all of our world's electrical grids, there will be no rule of law or any judges or any legal "Word Craft" to bend and/or twist and no amount of words or stacks of paper work filed in any legal proceeding will change this Planet Earth's dismal fate.. :(

      We are not an intelligent species and that has already been proven…just look around at what/all that you see.. :)


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      • flatsville

        Yes, yes…You think we're all gonna die sooner rather than later…We get it.

        Of course in the interim some people would prefer not to be killed by the toxic dump in the neighborhood or the nearby GE BWR.

        Why you keep yelling "Close them all down" when you're not willing to support that effort is beyond me.

        Industry shills must be gleeful at the disconnect expressed here.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Would you rather we say "keep them all open" and "we want more" of the same. The creepy part is we have no say how we die with this Nuclear Crap sneaking around and none of us even asked for it.

          Nuclear Power Generation and the thousands of Weapons were simply shoved up all our asses by legal "Word Crafters" and/or the experts of your chosen trade.

          You should feel ashamed of your fellow practitioners my friend.. :(


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  • flatsville

    Hardly Jebus. I just know how things get done in the reality based world because I have been doing it for quite a few years.

    No magical or wishful thinking shuts this down. A Ute never closed a plant because someone blogged about it…they looked at a long legal battle and did the math.

    In many cases a judge had to rule when the Ute was willing to ignore the spreadsheet.


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  • Seeker

    We aren't dead yet.

    How, then, shall we live?


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  • ftlt

    Well finally someone has come forward on the ice plan to cry, BS!!!


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  • Nick

    The Frozen Wall.

    The Cold War.

    Cold Shutdown.

    The War Against Terror

    The War against drugs.

    All pretty useless terms.

    How do you wrap your head around a 10,000+ year project?

    The only thing humans have been doing that long is fornicating, co-mingling their DNA.

    Now all DNA on the planet is getting mingled (is that a word?)


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  • maxxxem

    Don't worry. God will take care of this.. For the chosen people..


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