Tweets from Fukushima-area say recent quakes feel different than usual

Published: January 9th, 2012 at 8:28 am ET
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Fukushima citizen “Recent earthquake is something different”, Fukushima Diary, Jan. 9, 2012 [Emphasis Added]:

@mainakata311 麻意☆福島県民

I think everyone has noticed it if they live in Fukushima since 311, and paid attention to earthquakes. Suddenly, the way of shaking has changed, isn’t it ? feels like something is exploding underground, like a bomb.

@nicodonguri

[...] It feels as if I was sleeping in the double bunk beds and someone knocked me up from the lower bunk. It comes up from the underground all of a sudden, like bang. [...]

@Butyoo1488

I live in Ibaraki [Prefecture just south of Fukushima], but my family, and people around me feel the same way too. It’s not a normal earthquake, but a short quake as if something was exploding underground. I haven’t felt that quake for 40 years. It happens everyday.

“The only reason to deny the possibility of hydrovolcanic explosion underground is because the radiation level is not spiking up after the earthquake, but I doubt if the steam comes right above the epicenter.” -Mochizuki

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73 comments to Tweets from Fukushima-area say recent quakes feel different than usual

  • WindorSolarPlease

    They built something that they have no idea what the consequences are going to be when a disaster hits.


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    • oscar419

      I am not s sure they will may not know when “disaster hits” in a big way. It may be a subtle as a gentle earthquake that is barely felt. Like most others I am under the impression they know a lot less about this than they are letting us know, definitely “seat of the pants” type of flying. lol, welcome to extinctionville, population…us


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi oscar419

        No one knows when a disaster will hit. However, they don’t know what the consequences are going to be, and they can’t control these monsters. Yes they are flying by the seat of their pants. Not a good way to fly when they are dealing with something so dangerous.


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    • @WindorSolarPlease
      January 9, 2012 at 8:46 am
      I agree with this posting that there may be a nuclear effect on the earthquakes.
      See my latest at
      http://glaringlacuna.blogspot.com/


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi Ramaswami Kumar

        Thank you for the link. I glanced at it, will read it more carefully.

        I agree +100>>>death dealing radiation zone- replacing forever the 9.9 GW nuclear park!
        With modern civilization going blindly ahead with nukes, we have the devastation of the world on our involuntary hands.
        As this URL glaringly brings out we are heading for several Chernobyl’s perhaps every year or two.


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Ramaswami, isn’t the “big EQ window” according to your calculations opening on January 11? I think I remember this.


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      • tomb1

        Sorry, but blaming the NPPs for the EQs is … strange. Compare the energy of such events. Compare the depht of the events. A statistical correlation does not mean that one is the cause of the other.


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        • NW

          If fracking can cause earthquakes….


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        • anne
          December 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm · Reply

          Earthquake 22 Oct 2.39 JST
          02:39 JST 22 Oct 2011 37.3N 141.2E 30 km 3.3 Fukushima-ken Oki
          http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/20111022024405391-220239.html
          This earthquake is 12.5 mi (20.13 km) on ocean floor SW from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant
          This earthquake is 9.7 mi (15.54 km) W from Fukushima Daini (#2) Nuclear Power Plant
          http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html
          Fukushima #1 37.422972N 141.032917E
          Fukushima #2 37.316389N 141.025556E

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          Ramaswami Kumar
          January 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm · Reply

          2011,10,22,023154.90UTC, 37.193, 141.990,4.0, 15,PDE-Q(USGS),88 km from Fukushima Daichi #1 plant. But more important to the explosion are the bending moment surges caused by dam content changes transmitted from dams of the world to the Fukushima Daichi #1 location.For example on 20th Oct 2011 just some 30 hydroelectric stations in India experienced a change in contents of about 9.7 billion cubic meters(bcm) and on 21 October 2011 a change of -16.96 bcm! What does this mean at the centre of gravity of the Indian dams concerned? It means a sudden change in water head of 9.7 billion meters per square meter on the 20th or 9700000 km in 24hrs or a pressure change at the rate of 112 km/sec. This was followed on 21st October 2011 by a pressure change at the rate of more than -196 km/sec! This is applied at the centre of gravity of these Indian dams at 23,78.75.Fukushima Daichi#1 is at 37.423,141.033. The distance is approximately 6081km. The archimedian lever moment exerted by this change of water contents is 9.7x10exp9x1000kgx9.81m/s(Newtons)x6081000m=51.57x10exp19.05 Nm. Now if this stressing caused an earthquake, 20 percent of this stress would appear as the seismic moment of the quake at the Fukushima Daichi#1 plant. This Seismic Moment(SM)is 10.31×10^19.05 Nm. From the relation, Moment Magnitude=(logbase10SM+10)/1.5, the stress at Fukushima structural foundation would be…


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          • @Ramaswami kumar Jan 9 2012 1229 PM/1211PM:
            (continued)
            From the relation, Moment Magnitude=(logbase10SM+10)/1.5, the stress at Fukushima structural foundation would be equivalent to a quake magnitude of
            7.3 MM! This is illustrative of the alternating stresses to which the Daichi#1 is subjected to by the world’s dams via the waves of stresses which would travel through the earth’s crust! So let us not dismiss the goddam dams! And then the nukes! The meltdowns of which we have precious little data could be transmitting heat to the foundations which along with the friction heat generated by the dams would melt the bottoms to be a mute witness to the PISA at Number 4!
            I have taken pains to derive this because this is scientifically and empirically possible. This matter has been discussed in detail atRamaswami Kumar at 3:05 am:
            “The epicenter of the 7.4 MM quake abov…”
            FORUM: Fukushima Webcam Discussion Thread (Dec. 14, 2011 – present)and posts just previous to this there.


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      • VanneV anne

        “…The enormous heat developed underneath the Fukushima reactors by meltdowns, melt throughs, the nuclear explosion, the recriticalities and the Genpatsu-shinsai effect facilitate the enormous melting of the rocks resulting in intense shallow earthquake clusters even 300 days into the ongoing Fukushima catastrophe….”
        http://glaringlacuna.blogspot.com/


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    • Anthony Anthony

      I keep trying to see a happy ending to this whole thing.

      It never comes out any better.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      In the wrong place knowingly and purposely.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi oscar419

      I would rather not have a extinctionville.


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    • alexa

      In my opinion, if this is what the earthquakes feel like, probably that’s what they are -underground explosions, eGiven the continuous occurrence they are likely man made. Maybe they are trying to dig a hole in which the blobs can go further down or into the ocean. And we all know why they cannot have one big explosion -too much radioactivity.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Is this hydrovolcanic explosions?


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Perhaps they could use devices close to the plant to measure underground vibrations like the current technology used for predicting volcanic eruptions. I know they are considering using Muons to find the exact location of the corium. Just thinking thoughts


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi moonshellblue

      That sounds like a good idea to me, but I’m not a professional in this area.

      If something is happening under ground, wouldn’t there be a chance that it could eventually blow through to the top with force, creating a hydrovolcanic explosion?

      Could there be hydrovolcanic explosions under ground?


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Hi all, this is the right thread to re-post a link to a fantastic map which lists ALL EQ’s in Japan over the past 30 / 24 / 7 days – you can also choose certain prefectures.
    I think it was Bobby1 who initially posted this – thanks again!

    http://www.hinet.bosai.go.jp/hypomap/

    *peace


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Here is a list of earthquakes for 01/09/12 21:09 JST 09 Jan 2012 21:04 JST 09 Jan 2012 Iwate-ken Oki M3.6 1
      18:28 JST 09 Jan 2012 18:23 JST 09 Jan 2012 Ibaraki-ken Oki M3.7 1
      17:55 JST 09 Jan 2012 17:50 JST 09 Jan 2012 Ibaraki-ken Oki M4.6 2
      16:15 JST 09 Jan 2012 16:10 JST 09 Jan 2012 Ibaraki-ken Oki M4.6 2
      13:55 JST 09 Jan 2012 13:51 JST 09 Jan 2012 Ibaraki-ken Oki M4.0 1
      13:52 JST 09 Jan 2012 13:48 JST 09 Jan 2012 Fukushima-ken Nakadori M2.7 1
      13:45 JST 09 Jan 2012 13:41 JST 09 Jan 2012 Chiba-ken Toho-oki M3.6 2
      13:34 JST 09 Jan 2012 13:29 JST 09 Jan 2012 Chiba-ken Toho-oki M3.1 1
      13:25 JST 09 Jan 2012 13:20 JST 09 Jan 2012 Fukushima-ken Hamadori M3.5 1
      07:17 JST 09 Jan 2012 07:13 JST 09 Jan 2012 Iwate-ken Oki M5.0 3
      02:08 JST 09 Jan 2012 02:04 JST 09 Jan 2012 Miyagi-ken Oki M4.0 1
      01:56 JST 09 Jan 2012 01:52 JST 09 Jan 2012 Chiba-ken Hokutobu M3.9 3
      01:28 JST 09 Jan 2012 01:23 JST 09 Jan 2012 Ibaraki-ken Oki M3.7 2
      00:40 JST 09 Jan 2012 00:37 JST 09 Jan 2012 Wakayama-ken Hokubu M4.7 3


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    • Bobby1

      It wasn’t me who posted the link to the map, but it’s a great link.


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  • mungo mungo

    tepco update…- At 10:04 am on January 9, because the replacement work of the water
    injection piping arrangement from the water feed system in association
    with the trial run of reactor injection pump in Turbine Building has
    been completed, we have adjusted the amount of injected water to the
    reactor gradually. For the amount of injected water to the reactor,
    we adjusted water injection from the reactor feed water system from
    approx. 1.7 m3/h to 3.0 m3/h, and water injection from the core spray
    system for approx. 8.1 m3/h to 7.0 m3/h.

    – At 10:40 am on January 9, a water pond was found near the evaporative
    concentration apparatus 2B (under suspension) of the water treatment
    facility. The amount of the water is about 11 liter and is staying in
    the dam. The leakage was from float type flow meter at vent condenser
    spray line of evaporative concentration apparatus(*) and the amount
    of leakage is about one drop in 6 seconds. After closing the valve of
    the line, it was about one drop in 15 – 20 seconds. A dish will be
    settled under the leakage. The water is purified one in evaporative
    concentration apparatus (for water injection to the reactor). We
    conduct nuclide analysis for the water of the line regularly and the
    last result was as fallows: Β-ray is 6.0×10-1Bq/cm3 (November 29,
    2011) and γ -ray is below measurable limit (December 20, 2011).
    * Vent condenser spray line of evaporative concentration apparatus:
    cooling the vapor (purified water) that is generated in the
    evaporative concentration apparatus and supply water for injection
    to the reactor.

    – At around 2:22 pm on January 9, at the Spent Sludge Storage Facility (*)
    of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (1F), a partner company’s
    worker who had been engaged in concrete placement work reported his
    physical disorder. He was carried to the emergency…


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  • Bobby1

    There may have been an underground explosion on October 22nd. A blue flash was followed by shaking, and then a major steam/smoke event:

    http://enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-dec-14-2011-present/comment-page-2#comment-174021

    http://enenews.com/report-abnormal-smoke-from-reactor-2-video

    There was enough iodine after that to be detected in Europe a couple weeks later. This indicates an explosive criticality, or a criticality powerful enough to cause an explosion at least. Perhaps an underground explosion can trigger an earthquake.

    Iodine-131 continues to be emitted, it has to come from somewhere.


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  • mungo mungo

    He was carried to the emergency medical room of 1F’s
    Unit 5/6 and received medical treatment. Because he was in
    cardiopulmonary arrest, he was carried from 1F to Iwaki Kyouritsu
    Hospital at 3:25 pm. For reference, no radioactive materials were found
    to be attached to the worker’s body.
    * Spent Sludge Storage Facility: The facility to store radioactive
    waste (spent sludge), which is produced during the process of
    accumulated water treatment, on a temporary basis.


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  • Tanuki San

    I think it’s time that all of us in north America start thinking SERIOUSLY about we’d do if spent fuel pool 4 is catastrophically damaged in an earthquake. The radiation would be heading HERE within days, and based on past history, we’d be unlikely to have much, if any, notice. Here are some things to consider:

    -Would you rush to try to fly somewhere before flights are expensive and sold out? Where?

    -Do you have potassium iodide at your house?

    -What would you do if you had to stay indoors and keep your kids indoors for weeks or months?

    -How would you protect your lungs and your family’s lungs if you had to go outside?

    -Do you know the difference betweeen internal/external, alpha, beta, and gamma radiation?

    -Would you have safe food and water?

    -Do you have supplements to prevent uptake of radiation for yourself and your children and a way to regularly administer them to children, eg. calcium, magnesium, selenium, etc.?

    -Do you own and know how to use a Geiger counter?

    -Would you know how to “decontaminate yourself” if you had to go outside?

    -How would you help friends and family?


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    • Tanuki San

      Also:

      -Would you feel safe using your AC/heating system/bathroom vents? Do you know how they work (where they draw air from)?

      -Could keep all the windows closed in your house for weeks or monnths?


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      The condition of reactor 4 has been weighing heavy on my mind. Here is the latest info from TEPCO (
      Unit 4
      Circulating Cooling System
      Under operation
      20 °C

      Unit 4
      -
      O.P.+ 3,113 mm
      (12 mm decrease since 7:00 on January 8)
      O.P.+ 3,130 mm
      (4 mm decrease since 7:00 on January 8


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I think I would head south and keep on going as far as possible while keeping an eye on the jet stream.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      moonshellblue, I would be afraid of traffic jams. We have a hospital here that has a cafeteria way down in the basement. I know where to have breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Wonder if I can get a job there?
      Once I’m there, it would be hard for them to kick me out. lol

      They also have a morgue down there, they have a safer area than we do..???


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  • tomb1

    Sorry, enenews. This article implies that the molten mass could be the cause for EQs several miles away, several miles deep in the ground.

    This are getting ridiculous. The site seems more and more as an attractor for wierdos, and yes count me in.

    Until today I saw strangeness only in the forum. But this article is too much for me as an engineer and scientist.

    I have to stop commenting things which are obviously wrong and written by people who do not want to understand physics.

    But, what is more important is that if we want to fight NPPs we have to think and argue like scientists and not be guessing something we might find interesting. Obviously this approach failed at least at this site.

    I feel very sad about that. I’ll keep reading enenews but I have to calm down when reading the forums at least.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Enenews is simply posting tweets from residents and not claiming that the corium is causing all of the earthquakes or any earthquake at all. But I wonder about the small ones located in Fukushima, I think it is possible. After all many at IAEA, etc did not think that a melt through was possible. Always keep an open mind. Anyway the point is that Enenews is just reporting the current info and I for one am very grateful. Think about all the erroneous stories the MSM have reported. too many to list, which were fabrications i.e. Pat Tillman, and on and on. JMHO


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      I think people are trying to figure this out on their own, because information is being with held. We are thankful for any information that we get.

      The corporations want to keep their agenda going on, it’s called greed. I don’t believe they really want us to know what is happening or what might happen.

      What is needed is professionals to step up and give information instead of being a bully, calling people names.

      How people make discoveries is looking outside the box.


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  • unspokenhermit

    Japan is historically severely vulnerable to the earth quakes. It would be better for the whole nation if Japanese government keep this in mind before going for further nuclear power plants.

    I recently discovered the following dispersion model, which someone had linked to Berkeley’s discussion page. It uses TEPCO emission data to model possible dispersion patterns for Neptunium and Plutonium

    http://www.datapoke.org/blog/89/study-modeling-fukushima-npp-p-239-and-np-239-atmospheric-dispersion/

    http://datapoke.org/partmom/a=114

    If this model is accurate, it is very disturbing. Where are all of the so-called experts who claimed these elements were too heavy to travel far from the plant site?


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  • affter333

    if its caused by melted fuel

    the structure above would be gone ready

    REMEMER there’s a path for the explotion

    to shoot right up..

    so it’s pretty STUPID for anyone with a brain

    to think it’s the fuel


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    I can’t agree with tomb 1 that enenews is being irresponsible or ‘lunatic fringe’ in its reporting – not that the enenews readers/comments seem that way.

    In fact it what is ‘crazy’ is the institutionalized insanity of the Dr. Strangeloves who created this debacle.

    The whole world has been ‘down so long, seems like up’ to us.
    Look at all of the Russian roulette madness that prevails in the world, the endless wars, torture, the rapid pollution and destruction of the environment… stand back and take a look and give a thought, tomb 1. In terms of the history of the human race, in the blink of an eye, as soon as we had the technological capability to do so, we are on (or over) the brink of destroying the entire ecosphere and most life on the planet.

    We all, the entire world, accept this madness as ‘business as usual.’ So who are the ones who are ‘out of touch with reality’ here?

    In fact, with all the lying about Fukushima and so many other major events and happenings in the the world — WHO KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING OR HAS HAPPENED AT DAICHI/DAINI?

    It makes more sense to speculate and brainstorm than to sit back and believe what official sources deliver up to us.

    And yes, as for ‘preparing’ for the death-dealing pollution by radionuclides of the Northern Hemisphere… I think I won’t ‘go there.’

    It really is a mad, mad, mad, mad world and all of us should be trying to be aware of and compensate for the ‘emperor’s new clothes’ brainwashing effect. We have all been subjected massive brainwashing, equivalent to cult indoctrination, psychologically, from cradle on up.

    This is why I am so depressed, why something in me just gave up, when this Fukushima thing happened. I had to face the above obvious truths about the monumental tragedy that we humans have been busily working on, some actively, others passively with their denial and refusal to pay attention.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Beautifully spoken, bleep, and so sadly true.


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    • vital1

      Yes, I know how you feel.

      Observing here what is happening without action will get you depressed. Depression is internalized anger, you need to express that anger as positive action. Focus that anger energy on changing the world in positive ways!

      This is what I did.

      First, I joined enenews to participate actively in the community here.

      Second, I decide to act and do something I felt would make a difference. I created this handout which I letterbox, hand to people when I am on my daily walk, and email it to others.

      I don’t need to explain anything just distribute it.

      http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vital1/lifesaver.pdf

      Use my handout, or create your own. I know there are thousands of enenews users. The idea is to get as many people informed about this disaster as possible, plus point them to information they can use to survive it.

      If nothing else it makes me feel better :)


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    • vital1

      Just after I wrote my post above, I had a phone call from a lady who I had given the handout to this morning. It is afternoon here now.

      See was not aware of the seriousness of the Fukushima disaster. See told me she had already given copies to all he family, was emailing copies to her friends.

      We need to create our own media distribution networks that include all forms of distribution, not just the Internet.


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  • ItsJustMetal ItsJustMetal

    THOSE ARENT EARTHQUAKES!!! Maybe hydrogen explosions.


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  • bfly

    We have to honor the local observations. Otherwise its like a doctor who disregards the patients point of view….. I wonder if the blob could slowly be dripping into the water veins .like candle wax.This causing miniature explosions.


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  • Toco missing this thread !!!!


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  • James2

    In regard to the original article – I have to agree with tomb1 that these earthquakes are probably not being caused by anything at Fukushima – If they were – there wouldn’t be anything left on site.


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  • bfly

    Could the EQs being tracked and the folks tweeting there observations from the prefecture be two different events?


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  • Stephengn

    The HAARP conspiracists are gonna love this story.


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