Published: September 10th, 2011 at 4:04 pm ET
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Research on US nuclear levels after Fukushima could aid in future nuclear detection, PhysOrg, September 9, 2011:
The amount of radiation released during the Fukushima nuclear disaster was so great that the level of atmospheric radioactive aerosols in Washington state was 10,000 to 100,000 times greater than normal levels in the week following the March 11 earthquake [...]
Despite the increase, the levels were still well below the amount considered harmful to humans and they posed no health risks to residents at the time, according to researchers at The University of Texas at Austin.
Read More: Research on US nuclear levels after Fukushima could aid in future nuclear detection
No health risk “at the time”?
See also:
- Study: Fukushima released more radioactive xenon than Chernobyl -- So large because there were three reactors
- "I remember being in the lab thinking, 'Wow, if this is all true we have a far more bigger accident than what we're hearing right now'"
Published: September 10th, 2011 at 4:04 pm ET
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And first the quantitative science which should make a thinking person’s bowels go liquid and the hair’s stand up on all body parts.
And second (because we are beholden to our grant providers and the University’s science results can not go against the Nation’s consensus propaganda): “Its really not anything that could possibly hurt anyone, anywhere, Ever.”
In a Zen world in which you receive what you give the wise man keeps his conduct civil. A certain manner toward others is kept. Because of the laws of Cosmic Balance. “You shall reap what you sew.”
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100,000 times higher than ?
What is normal doc?
I was under the impression that plutonium isn’t typically found in washington air…
So is the level of plutonium 100,000 times higher?
Do we know what exactly was detected…
Better yet, can we just have your data.
As you clearly had no intention of warning your own public to the threat of radiation levels; regarding your own publics drinking water…
Yes Texas, that was you.
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Re: No health risk “at the time”?
That’s external to the body, not internal. There is NO safe level of radiation internalized.
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BTW, re: plutonium, one speck is lethal. EPA picked up specks of plutonium in their air filters in Hilo Hawaii the second week of April 2011, the next day they quit publishing isotope data.
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1 gram = 10 million overdoses.
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Help! CA Nuclear meltdown would ruin all US due to winds! CA nuclear plants soon up for relicensing. Join in anti-nuclear action groups! http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2011/09/02/quakes-pose-greater-risk-to-u-s-nuclear-reactors/96033/
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It would not only ruin all of US…
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I often wonder if:
Arnold Gunderson uses enenews.com -
Why did he not analyse the collective posts, and lessen public concern…
In my opinion couldn’t he easily debunk fukushima being an ele?
couldn’t he easily debunk a china syndrome?
Couldn’t he argue that the plutonium stays localized?
Or are we all right…
Fukushima can blow up…
Fukushima is a china syndrome…
Massive Amounts of plutonium are in the united states.
Fukushima is an extinction level event…
If he not only views this site, but recommends it…
thats food for thought…
Arnie Its time you logged in And got the facts on the table.
Its about time you defined this incident, In real time. Without expert’s participation, this forum is essentially kicking a dead horse.
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Agreed Tacomagroove
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I am under the impression that the detection of plutonium in several locations nationally and abroad can only mean one thing…
Millions, if not billions will parish from radiation poisoning.
Insert counter argument here:
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taco, you really need to step away from the computer for a bit.
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okay, now step towards the computer and resume! miss u already
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lol
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the second time ill write this.
“nobody knows the effect of this mess… nobody.”
one sided hyperbole, without any recourse, is not useful.
clearly not useful.
(hepa. reverse osmosis. pm1208/terra mks05/rad monitor 4. sauna.)
the uranium levels in sweat are 7x those in urine.
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I’m quite certain Arnie is here. I don’t know if he contributes or not.
He knew that #3 blew it’s stack of plutonium and not the spent fuel pool right from the beginning. For some reason he chose not to say it.
Arnie is part of the nuclear establishment – he was trained in it, he worked in it, he believed in it. And he is completely blind to some of its dark secrets, just like all the other insiders are. This whole thing is akin to finding out your father is a child molester to them. It’s not only difficult to believe, it’s embarrassing.
It shows you how deeply the problem exists. Virtually all of the trained nuclear engineers are useless against Fukushima – because they were trained that the western designs are safe, that the nuclear core cannot melt down, that open fission cannot occur, that the core cannot explode and that the containment would work if things went bad.
Well, I have another opinion. I’ve seen the containment not work now 3 out of 3 times.
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I think James is exactly right on this.
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so, what is the equivalent exposure amount measured in airplane rides?
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Not to mention bananas
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the “fight”
find out if municipal water supplier will test and publish radiological sampling results.
same for sludge.
federal or state air sampling tests
food safety test ex. seafood,meat,milk
consumers safety panel does it exist?
take up a collection to bribe our useless POS government to not lie to us about this anymore.
if nuke power is safe then whats the problem.
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You know what old pilots say – the airplane ride is almost 100% safe – it’s the nature of the landing that gets dicey…
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Radiation is equivalent to flying directly into the Bermuda triangle, and circling until your dizzy, bleeding from the nose, and scared to death.
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LIKE
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Arnie’s participation is pathetic.
He needs to stop worrying about future employment opportunities.
Give a man a fish he eats for a day,
Teach a man to fish, You can go back to work tomorrow…
ARNIE. MAN UP OR SHUT UP. YOUR ACTING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. It’s STEPPING ON TOES TIME.
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Take a break, Tacoma.
It does no good in a crisis to lose your wits – Until it is time to fight for your life – and then you kick and scratch and poke and prod with all your might – or you die with a whimper.
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What makes you feel it’s ‘Not’ time to fight?
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Fair question.
Maybe I should reword my advice. The number one rule in a fight is to win or if you can’t win to live to fight another day. George Washington lost many battles in the Revolutionary war – but he knew that the enemy would wear down if they couldn’t defeat him fully, and he won enough skirmishes to make them throw in the towel.
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I was under the impression this in a severe radiological nuclear crisis; That is currently affecting all of mankind…
The situation needed international intervention 5-6 months prior to today…
So when do we get are pitchforks ready next year, 2013, 2015???
Please explain at what point I should join a lynch mob, I would hate to un-tactfully join ‘too early’ in any respect.
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@Tacoma,
Like all of us here you are filled with conflict. That is a good, healthy, instinctive reaction.
This problem will not require your intervention. No need to resurrect the barbarian solution.
Why? Because more accidents will happen. Something unusual like at San Onfre – but that spirals out of control. When the death tolls rise and the misery index increases enough then even the most corrupt will turn away from this folly of nuclear power use.
I, for one, refuse to become a barbarian. I have no solution other than to let Nature takes its course.
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Darth the problem is that by then we may be dead. Please see my post about viral and bacterial mutation
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/fukushima-and-random-mutations-in-viral.html
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Tacoma. You’re right. It’s time to fight and stop taking the spoon feeding by system insiders at face value. Agreed. Notice, perhaps he doesn’t know, that Arnie doesn’t really say what sort of effort might be required to rest control away from the ones fucking it up OR that they are fucking up the situation at Fukushima Dai ichi, which anyone whose learned a lot about this situation would automatically realize. We would, in other words, as you and some others in here realize that the response could be a LOT better and more timely. AND, the main reason it is not a better or any better than FUBAR response by TEPCO and status quo others is due to CYA, profiteering motives that have nothing to do with the ecological, sociological, humanistic, moral obligations to immediately do better by overthrow of the current power brokers in this mess.
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Let’s get it going, I’m ready to fight the tyranny. Say the word and I’m there. Now all we have to do is convince 300 million other people
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Arnie Gunderson is the nuclear equivalent of a Ron Paul: polite, intelligent, against the grain, bold…but not bold enough, and not a fighter but a statesmen. Good. But let us “TeaParty” in his wake and save the world.
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Not GOM fish, shrimp, crab, oyster, anything over 2 oz. a day and you can get sick/cancer according to the FDA !
Care for “one” shrimp instead !
True break down the the EPA mumbo jumbo of how much seafood a day is ‘safe’ to eat.
Gulf Oil Spill on Wednesday, August 31, 2011
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/1032/068/
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opp’s 13 grams, a day … been a while since I saw this, and I don’t eat anything from the Gulf ! Soooo…
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Maybe they’re using roentgens as a unit of measurement
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which would explain why 100,000 times higher is still “harmless”
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Scientists say “still no problem” after saying “100,000 times above normal” radionuclide aerosolization for desensitization purposes. The scientists that might like to tell you the truth aren’t going to be allowed anywhere near the mainstream media in print, on radio or on TV. This is part of desensitization to get people, the public, to increasingly accept increasingly unacceptable and what ought be revolution invoking, circumstances is one of a diverse and probably expanding array of the commonest methods of modern disinformation and collective opinion manufacture.
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There was a time that 300 toppled an empire!
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were they well trained in the art of war?
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Harmful Amount Defined
He said it to make us feel safe
“A harmful amount that would cause obvious symptoms of exposure is anywhere from two to three million microsieverts at one time, he said.” – Tracy Tipping, a health physicist and laboratory manager at The University of Texas at Austin’s Nuclear Engineering Teaching Laboratory
2 to 3 Million Microsieverts = Harmful
< 2 Million = No Worries Mate
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it’s hard to stay filtered in… gotta go outside sometimes and open the door or window.
using a barrel-activated charcoal filter.
these bad boys right here need a home:
http://www.valleyindoor.com/home.php?cat=41
i shop there by mail. they are really nice people.
but it don’t matter where you shop, just filter-up guys… the situation gets worse soon. (it’s true, just trust me on this one)
filter your home’s air. (just for you my loves)
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and those filters need fans to sit on them… also is nice to have a dimmer switch to turn down from full-blast.
and if you have an air intake for your furnace, filter the intake with a charcoal-can-filter.
all this i do and i also want you to know that you can do it too. (you are very important) DO NOT DIE.
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Terrible realization!
Viruses and bacteria are probably very susceptible to genetic damage because they are so much simpler genetically.
Tacoma wasn’t kidding about this year’s flu season.
Radioactive precipitation and flooding in industrial areas (gas stations) are going to lead to lots of random mutations.
And people are going to be just a little weaker from their ongoing exposure to low-level radioactive contamination in the air, water and food.
Tacoma is also very right about the article. When the article says that the level of exposure is below health risks, it is referring ONLY to the Xenon gas!
What about the Iodine-131, Cesium-137,strontium, plutonium and other radioactive isotopes on the spectrum?
What this article is indicating is that the scientists are WAKING UP FINALLY and the media are helping them hide the significance of what they are reporting.
Where are the bought-off Berkeley faculty now (either bought-off or their engineers aren’t very bright)?
But the people who really need to WAKE-UP are the CDC. That movie coming out could be an unintentional warning.
I am going to contact the CDC using all of my professional pull. They may not understand radiation really, not the way the Chernobyl scientists do, but they will get the fact that DNA and RNA in viruses and bacteria are very susceptible to random mutations.
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OK guys, radioactive aerosol, not cpm’s. Of course, the aerosol probably landed on all of us, but aerosol is not cpms, or millisieverts or microsieverts, what would the concentration be? Ain’t got no idear. see ya
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majia, CDC is as fully controlled as any Govt. Agency. AIDS was allowed
to run rampant, or even assisted in its spread, by these agencies.
The Anthrax used in the mail for 9/11 was traced directly to the
USAMRIID facility in Virginia.
Govt. employees are scared for their jobs, if not outright Satanic
conspiritors.
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You said it, I thought it.
I am a firm believer in a grassroots movement… Spread a bit of the Japan news wherever you can amongst the populace… You will see the lights come on in their eyes. They will tell ten or a hundred and those tell the same. Quite an exercise in geometrical dispersion of news. All thought revolutions spread by trust and reinforcement of assertions. As the old saying goes… Good news travels fast, but bad news travels like wildfire.
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I understand about corrupt scientists but it has been hard for me to understand that an entire government agency can be bought off.
The EPA’s radnet is private. It is not run by government officials/employees. So, I find it easy to believe that the Bush era crony running it is happy to oblige top government or industry and completely faslify data.
But the idea that an entire agency be corrupt? That has been hard to swollow but I see now that the EPA is that corrupt because it accepts falsified data.
If the EPA is that corrupt, I suppose the CDC could be also.
I haven’t understood until now how compromised science has become.
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They are still spraying (fogging) for mosquitoes with trucks to combat West Nile virus where I live.
And they also used planes to spray us with Naled at the height of the scare. And tried to again a few years later when West Nile virus was already over and done with. This came from orders from the CDC. I heard one official say that they were “experimenting” when they already had done studies that showed that the number of neuroinvasive cases of WNV where higher when they used fogging trucks to kill the mosquitoes.
Actually, the Culex mosquitoes which carry WNV are canopy mosquitoes and they hide under leaves and are not killed off by fogging trucks which use Permethrin and secret ingredients which are endocrine disruptors and are carcinogenic.
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TYPO: not where, but were higher…
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Good example.
I just read that the survivors of the Hiroshima accident had a median dose of 40 millisieverts from a UC Berkeley scientists on this video
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-08-experts-real-relative-video.html
Holy Cow-the Japanese government is saying that 100 millisieverts is SAFE!
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CORRECTION “Hiroshima accident” was NO ACCIDENT
I STILL HAVE MY SOCIETY’S COLLECTIVE GUILT FOR DROPPING THOSE BOMBS ON JAPAN
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Oh it (government collusion with industry) is just endemic… Probably has been that way since Hammurabi.
Tonight I am delving deep into our northern neighbors and how they fit the pattern. It’s not pretty… Big vested interests are gungho to enrich themselves, health be damned:
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Canada-to-Refurbish-and-Expand-Argentinean-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html
Small sample… More later today (911 btw)
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The entire agency doesn’t need to be corrupt, just the boss. He orders you NOT to investigate. I can think of dozens of examples.
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I wonder if driving 100,000 times more drunk than sober is still a safe limit to get behind the wheel? Sounds logical to me !
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We can’t pick up the pitchforks anymore!
The splitting of the atom has mandated that we must evolve beyond violence. Attempting to solve our differences through might, power, and weapons has brought us to the point where, in obtaining the power of the stars, we have gained the power to create:
And thereby requires that we learn to solve our problems and differences in other ways. It is possible we will not accomplish the adaptation which evolution requires.
Call it a Catch 22. The joke’s on us. Might, power, the strongest weapons can no longer be used. Evolution mandates this.
It’s evolve or die!
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6 months since Fuku began.
I was at work, boyfriend called and told me one of the world’s largest nuke plants had lost power.
Me going to a state of shock.
And I still am, in a way.
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BreadAndButter. I am too. I was there in Tokyo for the earthquake in an office building as it shook violently. I evacuated the building asap and stood watching it sway violently. At that moment, as the earthquake continued, I immediately thought of Fukushima and a likely tsunami.
Low and behold it came and hit. I watched on Saturday 3-12 as the first reactor blew. I knew it was all over at that time and had to make a plan to evacuate my family. 7 months later in North America I am still in a complete state of shock with extremely mixed emotions: relief, shame, guilt, confusion, anxiety, depression, extreme anger (at J-gov, TEPCO and the media).
The fact that people here are blissfully unaware or in
denial about it makes it even more frustrating. I have friends who plan to visit Tokyo and I warn them of the dangers. They laugh at my advice. My own extended family and friends (not my immediate family of course) continue to go to Japanese restaurants and consume Japanese foods. We can thank the media for this of course. Their power to downplay the danger is strong and I curse them for it.
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Aloha and mahalo (thanks) to the creator(s) and administrator(s) of this site, and also to all who follow this site and add their own links, comments and data. It means a great deal to my family and me as we search for truth on these grave matters. I hope that we can find ways to utilize this growing body of evidence to counter media collusion and government/industry coverup.
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I would also like to give thanks to Arnie Gundersen who guided my family and me to this site. Although I understand frustration regarding Mr. Gundersenʻs absence from discussion here on this site, I wish to withhold judgement at this time as to his intentions and motivations. He is definitely doing more than most to break through this radioactive fog.
And although I also hope that his role evolves to more direct commentary on sites like this, as well as more direct confrontation with the nuclear establishment, Iʻm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has shared so much that has validated our growing concerns, giving us some sense of reality in this madness.
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I too wish to support Arnie. He is part of the establishment and his information comes from them. Don’t think they would offer up as much if he was naming names and being too confrontational. We have a greater understanding because of him..or many of us do. When the accident first happened, it was his face and his eyes and his intelligence that gave me the understanding that this was big, and not “no problem”. ..he said Chernobyl on steroids and I believed him..not one doubt.
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I believe Arnie is one of the few heroes out there.
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hanaloa, Alooooo-HA!
I was in Honolulu on Mar. 14th-18th, then Kona for
two weeks. The poor frightened Japanese kids were
trying to demonstrate, to kick up interest in Waikiki
on those nights. How sad that this hopeful new generation
will need to scrounge and struggle to barely survive, if
it is even possible.
Has there been anymore talk about Hawaii Dairy farms
or any fruit-fish contamination?
The only story lately was about the helicopter crash
off of Kaneohe Marine Base, possibly a nuke hush-up.
huggy-wuggies to All.
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100,000 times normal – “but it’s safe”. If I were king of the world, I would move this man’s lab and home to some place reading 100,000 times normal and keep him there until he wants to modify that absurd statement.
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The soft underbelly of nuclear is the nuclear miners and workers in hospitals and hospices across the land, whose exposure was presumably “safe.” Billions are going into their care and it attracts vultures.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/man-charged-with-theft-from-nuclear-worker-health-plans/
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yes….risabee.
The four of us kids had to split the $75,000 Radiation
Compensation payment for the claim we made on Dad’s
death at age 54, from acute granulocytic Leukemia.
I’ve heard that the program went defunct, but gave benefits
to former Miners, Mill-workers of yellowcake plants, and
the “downwinders” around Cedar City, UT and such.
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Yes risabee,…I am presently looking for assisted living for my spiritual Mom, as I have no room what so ever. Her hubby died of mesothelioma, and now these places are RAISING there gouging prices from $2,000 a month, to $3,300.00 a month! If you’re elderly, and don’t have LOVING family,…Holy crap,….God, we need you NOW please!
We’re only going to get sicker,…and need those places more,….and they are raising prices? Sold out souls,….”to the left of me, and jokers to the right,…here I am,…stuck in the middle with you”!
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Well, obviously the scientists knew all this at the beginning of March and said nothing to the public. If they didn’t care about the health of citizens then, why bother to release the “facts” now? Why not stay consistent in their complicity? Basically, it’s equivalent to them saying “na-na na-na na-na, you’re all going to get sick and die. We knew it and did nothing for you”.
It’s just pouring salt on a wound – especially as there isn’t anything you can do to protect yourself now.
When does the Revolution start?
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When? No set date. It’s ongoing, now and in future.
Where? In our hearts minds, awareness, and consciousness.
Ongoing!
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I have emailed & asked Arnie, Helen Caldecott, & Leuren Moret if in their opinion this is or could well be an ele. No answer – & I don’t blame them, really.
I tend to agree with Ocifer Dave, one can tell the truth & rebel – but there are limits. & survivors like Ron Paul & Arnie have a pretty good idea what/where they are.
I am a long time ‘information junkie’ & that is one of my main pleasures in these dark days. Finding out new facts. I find out something new about this situation & it gives me a little zing. Then I notice – geeze, in a perverted way I am enjoying this. & I feel very decadent. I think the truth just has not really really really hit home yet.
I don’t want to believe what I know.
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well ppl, ill be imagining who is arnie now.
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