UC Berkeley Professor: California seeing Fukushima fallout won’t be a surprise — ‘Especially concerned’ after radioactive leaks at plant were admitted — “I’m not terribly confident in information Japan is sharing”

Published: January 19th, 2014 at 11:45 am ET
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Eric Norman, a nuclear engineering professor at University of California Berkeley, Jan. 19, 2014: “There is no evidence of Fukushima fallout here in California and local fish are safe to eat but I won’t be surprised to see small amounts of Fukushima fallout in the Pacific in the future [...] There is no systematic testing in the US of air, food, and water for radiation, continuous testing is needed” [...] he is especially concerned since the Japanese government admitted in late July that more radioactive water has been coursing into the Pacific Ocean then they first had reported [... ] “I’m not terribly confident in the information Japan is sharing about the plant’s activities and clean up. That’s why it’s even more important now to advocate for continuous testing of air, food, and ocean water for radiation.”

Al Jazeera English, Jan. 19, 2014: Scientists are looking at various unusual occurrences of marine animals recently dying along the Pacific coast and research that shows low-level radioactivity in California fish. Since July, researchers at the University of California Santa Cruz have been seeing starfish along the northern California coastline with a disease that makes their arms fall off and they eventually die. It’s being called the sea star “wasting” disease [...] “It is unlikely that it could be from Fukushima but we are not ruling it out,” said Pete Raimondi, Chair of the Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Department at UC Santa Cruz. Raimondi is investigating the sea star disease and says debris from the Fukushima disaster that has floated over to the California coast could have toxins or radioactive particles that may have affected the starfish [...] from January to May 2013 more than 1400 starving sea lions washed up on the beaches of southern California [...] NOAA is calling it an “unusual mortality event” and don’t know why it is happening. Also, unprecedented numbers of whales, dolphins, anchovies, and other marine animals have been seen closer to shore than ever before.

Be sure to check out this recent presentation by Prof. Norman which associates ENENews with a hateful, homophobic email he received (at 24:10 in)

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77 comments to UC Berkeley Professor: California seeing Fukushima fallout won’t be a surprise — ‘Especially concerned’ after radioactive leaks at plant were admitted — “I’m not terribly confident in information Japan is sharing”

  • bo bo

    Professor Norman says:

    'There is no evidence of Fukushima fallout here in California and local fish are safe to eat'

    And in the same breath he says:

    'There is no systematic testing in the US of air, food, and water for radiation'

    That's called scientific thinking.


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    • bo bo

      And yes everybody be sure to open link at bottom where professor norman slanders enenews as hateful and homophobic


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        He's brave for not for caring, but for putting himself in a position where, if he doesn't shut up, he could get suicided, if you catch my drift. Consider Sen. Ron Wyden of Washington State. He was all gung-ho about the danger of Fuku. after visiting Japan and not he's clammed up. I'm sure the MIB asked him, "how many more heartbeats he wants on this planet?" Not my quote btw.


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    • GQR2

      The students should get their money back !
      This passes for an educated person?

      Hard to believe people not only speak this way in public,willing to spew mind numbing propaganda. so the population which does believe what the professors say, go along on the illogical ride,on their merry way completely oblivious to the mostly invisible killer.

      Face Palm shield also needed in the wardrobe so as to prevent repetitive strike head injuries.


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Don't you love those blanket statements. But if you try to pin them down as to how they know, they run away. I find it odd too that they volunteer the fact that they "don't really know" as a kind of wink to audience. Similar to the confessions of captured foreigners forced to admit their spies, etc.


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      Funny stuff.. I have been reading an old Savanah River Site report from the 90s.. wow, the stuff people are exposed to from a site that is not in meltdown ought to alarm us enough by itself.. a few highlights.. "Controlled deer and hog hunts are conducted annually at SRS to control their populations. Field measurements performed on each animal prior to release to the hunter determine the levels of cesium-137 present in the animal. Field measurements are subsequently verified by laboratory analysis, and dose calculations are performed to estimate dose to the maximally exposed individual among the hunters. In 1993, the maximally exposed individual hunter killed four deer and three hogs. The dose to this hunter was estimated based on the cesium-137 measurements of the deer and hog muscle taken from these animals and the conservative assumption that the hunter consumed all of the edible portions of these animals (337 pounds of meat). The dose to this maximally exposed individual was estimated to be 57 millirem (Arnett, Karapatakis, and Mamatey 1994), which represents 57 percent of the DOE annual limit of 100 millirem (DOE Order 5400.5)." http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/enviro/eis-0217/eis0217_3.html


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        In 1993, the maximally exposed individual fisherman was assumed to eat 19 kilograms (42 pounds) of fish per year. The dose to the fisherman was based on consumption of fish taken only from the mouth of Steel Creek on SRS. The dose to this individual was estimated to be 1.30 millirem (WSRC 1994a) or 1.3 percent of the DOE annual limit (DOE 1993a).

        The hunter population dose was estimated based on the fact that 1,553 deer and 147 hogs were killed in 1993. These deer and hogs contained average cesium-137 concentrations of 4.69 picocuries per gram and 5.64 picocuries per gram, respectively. The regional average of cesium-137 concentration in deer is 0.7 picocuries per gram (Fledderman 1994). The population dose due to the consumption of SRS animals is estimated to be 8.3 person-rem. The portion of this dose attributable to the presence of cesium-137 above the regional average concentration is 7.1 person-rem (Rollins 1994).

        "Gamma radiation levels, including natural background terrestrial, and cosmic radiation measured at 179 locations around the SRS perimeter during 1993, yielded a maximum dose rate of 102 millirem per year (Arnett, Karapatakis, and Mamatey 1994). This level is typical of normal background gamma levels measured in the general area (84 millirem per year measured by the EPA at Augusta, Georgia, in 1992). The maximum gamma radiation level measured onsite (N-Area) was 460 millirem per year (Arnett, Karapatakis, and Mamatey 1994)."

        http://www


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      • SadieDog

        When driving through SRS in the 80's and 90's, you could see steam-like mist and strange bubbles in the creeks along the road. In the summer.


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      • GOM GOM

        Cata. And..they are hunting animals/mutants in the exclusion zone at Chernobyl. This is real, but don't have link.


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        • Bones Bones

          They keep them in so as not to further spread contamination. That is IMO a good thing. Turtles that are insanely contaminated and other animals and fish near the Savannah site are hunted and were subsequently fenced off for the same reason. Cata said this above about Savannah.


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Yes, it is because of the meltdown at Savannah River in 1970 and accident in 1971. Among the most severe radiological accidents in N. America, they were kept secret from the public until congressional hearings in 1988. That's almost 30 years. Cancer clusters in that area of N. Carolina are really noticeable. I don't know. Americans. like Japanese, seem to just put up with this kind of thing.

        http://books.google.com/books?id=sEnyiv394RoC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=savannah+river+1970+meltdown&source=bl&ots=QdplaxTTdR&sig=MZ3g1mHhRReAbPGb3pb9ohP34HQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oUHdUpq7JIWFogS5goDwAw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=savannah%20river%201970%20meltdown&f=false


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    • TooExpensiveToMatter

      "There is no evidence of Fukushima fallout here in California and local fish are safe to eat…[but] there is no systematic testing in the US of air, food and water fo rradiation…[and] more radioactive water has been coursing into the Pacific Ocean than they first reported…[and] I'm not terribly confident in the information Japan is sharing" — Eric Norman, Professor of nuclear engineering, UC Berkeley

      This is the very same "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" claim that was being pushed by the claimed nuclear "expert" who was spouting so much drivel here on ENE.

      Basing one's entire argument on the idea that "absence of evidence IS evidence of absence" is just plain stupid, especially for a scientist or engineer.


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      • TooExpensiveToMatter

        ..or just plain dishonest.


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      • SadieDog

        I think dishonest. Are you telling me that all of these physicists and engineers that keep saying there is no testing being done don't know about this… http://www.dhs.gov/about-domestic-nuclear-detection-office


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        • TooExpensiveToMatter

          Actually, I'm not telling you anything.

          I said it might simply be dishonesty.

          No disagreement there. :)


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        • James Tekton James Tekton

          "http://www.dhs…."

          Howdy, Sadie.

          That sure is a fancy expensive page full of nothing but horse-caca.

          When one considers all the poor and suffering people in this country, it is shameful to realize how much money is spent on these nazi-like cretins that lie and deceive the people who pay the taxes to support this kind of dribble and tripe. The entire dhs-gestapo should be defunded and shut down to save America now! As it is, they and hundreds of thousands of foreign mercenaries are all planning on going to war against the America people as soon as March.

          http://thecommonsenseshow.com/

          Listen to Dave later today on this link below at 9:00 pm central time for real important information tonight:

          http://republicbroadcasting.org/listen-live/

          Get ready for the foreign invaders that are here to kill Americans and the country itself under martial law and the crash of the economy. Could be another false flag event also. After that, they will divide the spoils of this rich fat country of stupid ignorant people that care not even for themselves, much less America.

          Here come the chinese and russians disguised as American soldiers and mercenaries to take your guns and kill you if you resist.

          Live well and live happily.

          We are all living in the Last Days of Pompeii.

          http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/11/protect-radiation-one.html

          .


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          • harengus_acidophilus

            Dr. Goebbels told this to the germans in 3rd Reich

            "foreign invaders that are here to kill Americans"

            Thinking in national terms while facing a global desaster.
            You're shouting about "Nazi", but nationalism IS Nazi.
            Xenophobia is a mammal instinct, go human.

            h.


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        • Arizonan Arizonan

          My bet is, the "Homeland Security Nuclear Detection Office" will not do any good to anyone. Nor ever publish any tests they carry out.


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        TooExpensiveToMatter: it's called plausible deniability. It can't be plausible if you know and (important point here) somebody knows you know (hence, eradicating whistle blowers). Can't hold me responsible, I didn't know (and there's nobody to contradict me). At this point, what does it matter?


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        • TooExpensiveToMatter

          SkyeWar

          Isn't "plausible deniability" supposed to be somewhat plausible?

          At the very least, it shouldn't be just dumb, which claiming "The fish are safe to eat but we haven't done any systematic testing" is.

          It may achieve the desired goal, but the latter "argument" is just embarrassing.

          I guess some people are just not easily (or at all) embarrassed. or maybe they are just clueless about how dumb they actually sound.


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          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            TooExpensiveToMatter: It's plausible since they stated "there's no evidence". You can make the argument that it's somebody's business to do systemic testing in the US which is honestly the only way you could say the fish is OK. I don't know what "there's no evidence means" except the people aren't being diagnosed with what is commonly accepted as fukushima fever, to give it a name. I think you know what I mean. Of course a town, county, state can do testing, but then they're liable to fix the problem – big bucks. So if they don't go looking for trouble they can't be held liable.


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      • myau

        I am a high school drop-out, after reading all the comments here in Enenews and learning so much about nuclear fallout, I think UC Berkeley should hire me as the professor (no salary needed),I can do the scientific double talk just as well as E.Norman. Come to think of this Fuku mess, I think we should not only shut down all NPP,but should also ban all nuclear engineering faculties in all universities from here on! No nuclear engineers needed on this planet. Thanks.


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  • harengus_acidophilus

    Is this a common term?

    "I’m not terribly confident"

    I'm not a native speaker,
    but this sounds strange.

    h.


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  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    Most of us who either already knew a bit about radiation or learned via the "crash course" offered by ENEnews beginning on 311 also knew the day would come when even the most tight-lipped of "shills" or just "scared" of govt./nuke-puke retaliation would come forward and make some level of face-saving statements that contradict TPTB when too much info and basic observations would expose the fact that 311 DID happen and it happened to the WHOLE WORLD! I figured that within 5 years there'd be no way for them to hide or LIE about what is impacting life up & down the entire food chain-especially to us! Looks like it may expose itself even sooner than my 5 yr. prediction now that the news is pouring out nearly as fast as the radioactive crap finding its way into everything on the planet at such an expedited rate??!! :(


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This is very telling..
    This is a speaker ..the nuke dept. had in for student awards.
    Start at 8:00

    Student Awards and the Fukushima Lady
    May 6 2013

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/32501161

    The 'cheesy' state of upper academia..


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      • GQR2

        ok she is disintegrating a little bit, she needs to get into the facts.
        Hopefully she inspired someone to get interested in the subject ? It is pretty cheesy. not so so great. At least she isn't hurting anybody. Like the other guy. He is a complete tool and i bet that letter was fabricated in his lab, He just had it hanging around. – i can imagine a newser being angry but not that stupid. Nice Try Norman !


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Lady Fukushima: plays down the truth and pumps up the rhetoric; was terrified reporters would ask a question she couldn't answer (how? she's the expert); gets very animated when lampooning the "anti-nukers"; tells irrelevant personal stories; worked for GE*; admits big companies run academia (duh); peppered her stories with denigrating remarks; (omg) she fabricates reporters true meaning behind questions (nuclear worker = homer simpson); panders for sympathy; she states to students to not use technical terms when speaking to public/media (so they can't be contradicted by other nuclear experts?);

      GE has a long history of purposely poisoning people with radiation:
      http://www.mindspring.com/~kapl/jpsrecord02.html

      Conclusion: the only thing she was missing is the clown suit. This was a training seminar on how the media works and how to handle them. Some of what she states as fact on 5/6/13 is now proven false. Folks like these often use hyperbole to over emphasize their "humanity" all the while spinning the story and lacing their rhetoric with florid prose. They evidently clean to the mantra that if people don't die immediately from radiation, like a bullet to the head, it's safe. Along with this is the obvious coordinated refusal to believe radiation can cause long term health effects. It's a sad spectacle really, to watch these folks try to put a pretty face on this (fukushima) and other evolving disasters. Not very professional.


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        (sp) They evidently >cling<


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        This is an example of the self-serving ..manipulative and shallow response being bred and instilled in upper academia in this area and in most areas of higher learning.
        The little thrill of the 'inside joke'..a giggle at the expense of outsiders provides that certain 'air'…conducive to lying to the masses.

        And to that end..a great lecture..to show this first hand.
        UC Berkeley is to provide damage control .. academic toadies.


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        • GQR2

          At Berkeley, the class just had to name drop. Yikes this lady was the pits. This is higher education today, all the rumors are true, its an education in how to sell out. It is not a liberal arts education. what a rip off, training to make a buck with a pencil instead of your back….yipes.

          Berkeley is major damage control. He even had to meet with Lawrence Livermore. The Lady was just a disaster, make sure nobody learns anything. My mind was so open when i first started listening and my ears wilted about 10 mins in.


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  • GQR2

    He gave this talk at Livermore, and there were some issues He has to make wrong assumptions and just go ahead and do the "science
    anyway. err. hey wait a minute …( and teach it apparently ) in order not to cross the sensitivities of the National Lab. He must teach this in the most "simple minded way possible"!!!
    This is at a top school in the country. People we are sunk. Even the first ten minutes of this presentation displays a cavalier attitude and the willingness to con the students.


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    • Bones Bones

      I didn't write it so I don't know if I'm blocked or not, but I can't comment at all.


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      • Bones Bones

        100% word blocking. Don't get scared admin.


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        • Bones Bones

          I'm leaving. Once this stuff happens, it never goes back. Time for a better site. Cya guys. I don't put up with censorship and nothing I said was wrong or illegal, just confirming what GQR2 said with my friend's dad who worked on u know whats and TMI, burying the core. I can't say something in what I tried to post (details of last sentence), but no his team was not a bunch of nuclear physicists. No PHD's etc. Just do what you are told and all is safe. Long run, but I don't deal with censorship.


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          • Jebus Jebus

            Bones, relax.

            The Admin has a word blocker plugin in wordpress.
            I have been here since the beginning and I have seen the plugin block my listed words before. Reword your text. Think about what an admin might want to block to battle the spam bots. Even they get thru once and a while. Admin could have added a few more key words. You are not being censored on any level more than that…


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          • Jebus Jebus

            On another thought. Are you posting from Japan?


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            • Bones Bones

              I have links to people in the military in Japan, but that is it. No, USA. I'm right by TMI. Maybe the parts I talked about of what they worked on, but NEVER used was the problem or holding some parts (defective obv and not radioactive cuz never used.)? Just wanted to confirm in detail what GQ said. I'm not upset, but you are right about the admin and bots, etc. Too much Off-T.


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          • GQR2

            It may be an attack of another kind bones. Don't panic, there are still friends of S. hanging around.

            10/4


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          • We Not They Finally

            Bones, I wonder if you are over-reacting and we do need you to STAY. These are volatile times. And yes, people can make mistakes. If you find some better place to post let us know. Meanwhile, this helps people A LOT.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The email was a typo. The sender meant to say, "I hope you are up in the BAY area." Taking it out of context and latching onto a typo as homophobic is part of the art of deception.
    He finds, to his suprise, the fallout is in the parking lot. No evidence that he checked further for "other" radioisotopes. One data point. He then draws conclusions based upon that. Then goes on to say that nothing will get here from Fukushima. Then he goes on to denigrate those who are revealing the truth. To the delight of his, ahem, "peers"
    Is this someone to trust for the truth?
    I think he is befuddled…


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    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      Just compare 3/11 to 9/11! After 9/11 there was immense amnesia in the academic world. Suddenly many professors of physics even forgot Newton's revelations and other laws of physics. Demolition experts had memory lapses. Suddenly the testimony of the senses was discarded by many. The reports of First Responders were treated as the babbling of idiots and the mentally ill. So this is a repeat performance.
      Things that looked normally like one thing were transformed by the gov and MSM into their opposites. It was a great time of alchemical nonsense.
      The fix is again on. Soon those that believe something bad that happened at Fukushima will effect the world will be labelled crazies and maybe even domestic terrorists. The New Truthers.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    I believe/think that there is enough radioactive material at Fukushima to contaminate the whole planet. Of course this might require a whole century. And in some areas the contamination might not prevent humans and animals from getting by well enough.
    If we imagine the globe and Fuku as a red dot of permanent dye, we can watch it slowly diffuse through all the oceans. And in evaporation as ending up in lakes and rivers. How fast this will happen is currently unknown but each decade into the future will show a darker color of our red dye. Then we can also imagine that the radioactive stuff has a pungent smell and see how that odor gradually diffuses through the total earth atmosphere. Finally we can imagine being able to see the stuff and consider it creating a haze in many areas.
    This spreading out of the radioactive material will go on until Fukushima has exhausted its supply and in the meantime probably other nuclear accidents will occur.
    After what amount of time will there no longer be anywhere on the planet where one can see no redness, smell no distinct odor and see no redness? Even the polar ice caps will bear this distinct hue. If we burn something on the stove we know how fast the smoky odor goes through the house. If we get honey on our hand how soon it is on the phone the door handle etc. People who live near a stock yard or pig farm know about strong odors. Diffusion will put this stuff everywhere. I know this will happen. Science and common…


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  • Sam

    "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts"
    Richard Feynman

    I would not be confident in the information this
    professor would give on radiation testing unless
    it was verified by independent labs. Lets see in
    time what they say about kelp. Maybe they will
    tell us a tiny bit but not to worry. Downplaying it
    and keeping a false credibility.
    Very typical kind of thinking on one hand speaking falsely
    and questioning on the other hand.


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  • TooExpensiveToMatter

    I thought "Science is the belief in the ignorance of soccer referees" :)


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  • Michael Van Broekhoven

    Independent lab test finding: Cobalt-60 detected in Hokkaido kelp, over 300 miles from Fukushima disaster site.

    http://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/radioisotope-analysis-hokkaido-japan-kelp-safe-radioactive-food-pacific-ocean/

    It is a ridiculously long blogpost detailing everything I knew and found out about 6 kelps from various parts of Hokkaido, 1 Nori & 1 round herring from the south and 1 tea sample. I bought 'm in Japan in Nov-Dec 2013, and sent a selection to a lab, incl. those I believed would be packed with radionuclides from F1 I thought it would end up revealing something about what's possibly in store for California. 'cause the Hokkaido seaweed samples turned out surprisingly 'clean', not much can be concluded in that direction.

    Turns out, and this is becoming increasingly clear to me, that some Geiger Counters, including the popular Medcom Inspector Alert are incredibly sensitive to naturally occurring isotopes, including Potassium-40. The radioactivity that concerned me in food that measured 2x, 3x, even over 4x times background (adding over 150 CPM to BG), may be entirely or almost entirely due to K-40 alone.

    We're far from out of the woods (see also my reply to a commenter there), but part of what fanned the flames of my concern (Geiger Counter readings that seemed to hint of seriously troubling radioactive food contamination being officially denied), has been proven to be unfounded. For what it's worth: http://wp


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  • razzz razzz

    Our old pal Kenny once again shows himself. Like commissions and special investigation committees, there is fact finding and gathering of information then it is buried and the main report whitewashed to fit the agenda. Sometimes the obvious can't be overlooked but it can be sealed for the next 50 fifty years. Long enough that after a couple generations, no one will remember in situ affects…or care.

    Busby, Gundersen and others collected air filtered samples soon after 3/11, they didn't wait until 3 years later. Periodic monitoring for current results from historical nuke bomb tests in parts of the Aleutian Islands chain which happen to coincide right after 3/11 fallout, should have been the first heads up to continue immediate fallout testing. The results there were already higher than expected on land and in sea from Daiichi fallout.


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      They will, but …

      "Long enough that after a couple generations,
      no one will remember in situ affects…or care."

      They will say: in this cave lives a dragon with poisonous breath, if you take a look in his shining eyes, you will suffer an die.
      Or: there is a curse on this house, no one ever
      comes back if he stay over night.

      Now, I understand the spell in "Snow-white":
      "MY TABLET upon the wall,
      Who is fairest of us all?"

      History is repeating, and I can't see
      any chance to warn future generations.

      h.


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  • We Not They Finally

    I don't have to be "hateful" or "homophobic" towards Mr. Norman. I'm just saying this his "no evidence" line is industry-promoted crap. So you can be straight crap-slinger or a gay crap-slinger — no difference.


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  • I say let any of these article writers who say the fish are ok to eat, let them eat as much as they want. I will sit back and watch them deal with their fate.


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  • Arizonan Arizonan

    Even one hot particle in one fish, ingested, can cause cancer. Why increase our risk, when we are exposed to so much already?


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