Published: September 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 am ET
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Observations of Fallout from the Fukushima Reactor Accident in San Francisco Bay Area Rainwater, Department of Nuclear Engineering, University of California, Berkeley:
Published September 21, 2011
Rainwater samples were collected from March 16–26, 2011 by placing plastic containers outside in the Oakland and Berkeley hills and in Albany. [...]
The maximum concentration of 131I we observed in the rainwater was 16 Bq L−1 (430 pCi L−1 from the sample collected on March 24. [...]
This research was funded by the US Departments of Energy and Homeland Security. -Sydney Morning Herald
See also:
- Study: Fukushima radiation reached Calif. -UPI, Sept. 21, 2011
- Japan Reactor Fallout Reached San Francisco Bay Area: Study -US News, Sept. 21, 2011
- Traces of Japan nuclear fallout in California rainwater -AFP, Sept. 21, 2011
Published: September 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 am ET
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yay more stuff from march
[MODERATOR: Fyi this news is from today, Sept. 21. You can tell this by the words "published September 21, 2011". Also UPI, AFP and other outlets covered this news with reports dated Sept. 21.]
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from and @stukncali “Good bye enenewsers i am going to go enjoy what’s left of my life…”
waiting…waiting … or is this a skunkncali with nothing better to do?
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only 25 more “i’m leaving enenews forever” farewell addresses and he’ll be tied with Taco.
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and yet Tacomagroove stays to be useful to the people. Skunkncali in the acid Lab … only shillingly so.
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weekly meltdowns/farewells are always useful… and hilarious.
just like your default “shill-accuser” mode.
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No doubt a few shills here…including YOU. If not, we await a useful post …something hot and radical we can deep breathe to rest easy in this funny fuku 24/7 pluton/corium sh*t show meltdown We now ALL live in. Including YOU. Can’t wait. Tell everyone. No worries folks, all is well because acid Lab and his troll buddies said so…
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“No doubt a few shills here…including YOU.”
prove it.
if you dare.
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Information about this was on the net 2nd April. The headline suggests this is RECENT development and I am actually relieved to see that it is not, however does that mean there will be info about the rainwater NOW being contaminated in several months time?
I question why the headline doesn’t make that clear. Sorry guys, but that smacks of sensationalism.
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staycalm: more misleading titles.. and i like how they put the big number on there.. 430 pci/l is about 12 or 15 bq/l
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Agreed.
If there are no new fuku news available at the moment, I’d prefer not to have new headlines for a day.
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i also agree.
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Thanks for pointing-out that this is recirculated old news. The dates are found at the bottom of the chart.
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You say that “the dates are found at the bottom…” actually, the dates are prominently quoted for the samples IN EVERY SENTENCE OF THE POST!!! On my screen, the dates are less than an inch from the headline… so if it is misleading, it doesn’t lead you very far for the whole story, but the nature of ANY headline is to pull the reader in with a very simplified phrase. If you feel mislead by headlines, perhaps you should understand that headlines are not now, nor ever were, meant as the way to communicate the story to the readers. Headlines are meant to pique your interest to find out about the story. A headline should not make you feel informed, it should make you SEEK to be informed.
On the subject of “old news”: for something to be “old news” I would say that first the public must be aware of it. Since at least 90 of every 100 people I talk to have no idea that ANY nuclear material reached the U.S. I would not take exception to someone circulating the story/data.
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Thanks for posting this, admin.
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Yes, kudos. DHS funded rad testing … folks have a right to know. or perhaps it’s better to just let the info get buried so the ‘sensationalism’ doesn’t adversly affect the delicate here who have nothing better to do than bitch about you and ‘outdated’ news. Many thanks for all the posts and not letting the “it’s not that bad” crew get to you.
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TBS LIVE CAM IS DOWN NOW TOO.
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Srry I guess the Tepco cam is back up now.
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@Steven
“Your predictions may come back to haunt you”…
Alright first off…
I didn’t make a prediction… Its Nuclear physics. I explained in my own personal opinion what a china syndrome would look like…
All ive ever basically said is, The fuel will melt through the reactor before this date…(Btw: the fuel did).
That was basic physics
Now im saying, Watch out this winter… Snow is going to have radiation in it…
It will…
Then I am saying…
Next spring,
Probably should be expecting problems with crops might even be in for national food shortages…
(We should expect this)…
You say:
Call me a shill (then talk about how you have studied nuclear physics in your leisure… (And then minimalize every article on the net. Yet you also advocate that you are anti nuclear…
Are you confused?
Now in my opinion: enenews was created to expose The HORRORS that are currently taking place, WHILE BEING minimalised and COVERED UP BY BOTH THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA in Fukushima Japan… (this is who the japanese citizens are supposed to trust)…
This is a crisis…
children women men the elderly, are being bathed in contamination… People are working playing studying and eating in a highly nuclear contaminated inhabitant.
Now when you say: My predictions will come back to haunt me I feel you mean through legal intervention…
Now If I were to go to court over this crisis, I feel I would have a great deal of an…
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cont.
Now If I were to go to court over this crisis, I feel I would have a great deal of an easier time proving president obama’s administration gave criminal advice to our nation by misleading the severity of the incident. Than anyone is going to be able to explain how plutonium is as safe as a banana.
I feel this community was formed because we were tired of online experts minimalism the severity of these issues here. In my own personal opinion: If you have a problem with the hype on the site you should post on physics-forums.
Admin
Feel free to ban me…
Shills and minimalizers,
Suck it up…
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For that matter:
There is no way that I am ever going to apologize for yelling about people putting poison in my food.
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I agree.
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Agreed.
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i had the same problem on here one day, i stated my opinion james2 didnt like it and got scared and started trying to attack me. Don’t worry about the idiots out there people who think thier goverment would never do thier people any wrong. This site is most usefull to me cause i get information that they dont wanna talk about in the media and i get to talk to other concerned citizens who are also sick and tired of being lied to and give info to others new to the site. most of the people i talk to about radiation here dont want to hear about it or know nothing about it, i find it crazy so many people can be uneducated on such a important topic that can effect everyones health. All the best to you all and keep up the good work with comments and opinions.
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Good on you Tacoma! When there are millions of people who aren’t worried enough, then the voices of alarm must be even higher. Ignore, please, anyone who posts here who tries to put you down or dissuade you from your very important work. The more we can get this information out through networks, the better off we will all be in the long run.
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Tacomagroove, your comments are great – please keep posting. @Steven is a paid troll just like Grace who try to divert posters attention, waste our time and find our weaknesses. His lack of empathy and personal attacks betray him, just like Grace’s.
If @Steven has any nuclear industry experience, he would understand how bad the situation is and discuss this with his colleagues. After Cernobyl no one can claim radiation is harmless.
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* waits for one day on this board without personal attacks
*lights a candle for Troy Davis
*peace
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*lights a candle for Troy Davis*
peace
love
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peace
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Right on Tacomagroove!
Not only are they going to kill us with impunity,…they want to demand that we die silently. The shaming calls of our being hysterical,…will seal their fates with the Creator of all things,…including them! Amen!
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It’s a shillious drag..around here…
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Steven and Grace are shills.. “well meaning shills”…what a joke…..!
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Yes,…I told our own xdrfox that I would eat my hat,…if they weren’t BOTH paid to ‘be here’!
No one would put up with our, (my) abuse,…were they not paid. No human power will EVER be able to dissuade me from that TRUTH. They are nuke shills.
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How much you believe how right you are, this gives me great hope, for I know you to be wrong in your judgement.
Just do what you do, I’ll post petitions for peaceful change.
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Grace… I was amused that it was you who responded the other day to my post. My anger was inspired by the way they treated you when you first came aboard, and they continue to call names.
It would appear to me that the REAL shills are the ones calling everyone that. They waste more space here than the so called “offenders” What a waste, there is no time for this.
I wish they would quit flattering themselves too, no one is coming here for f@#ks sake. Grow up.
Anyway, I enjoy people such as yourself and Steven and all the other comments that are informed and attempting to help.
THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING… guess I gotta go now.
Peace.
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A little organization and we are supposed to be HAPPY.
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Homeland Security doing a study..means squat…
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They need to do a SQUAT study! PUSH! PUSH!
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Misleading or not, why anyone would believe a word out of those lying treasonous terrorists mouths is beyond me.
90% of anything from the EPA, NRC, DHS = lies.
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Thanks for all the great info everyone, i have been looking for radiation readings here in Anchorage but haven’t had much luck, winter is coming and we get lots of snow,
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hey hey….How do I get a job as a paid shill? I could use the extra income..
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LOL! Contact TEPCO or the NRC or the IAEA I think…they could point you in the right direction. LOL! What they haven’t figured out yet, though, is that politically savvy people know now how to recognize their disruptive little games and not let it interfere with the important consciousness-raising that this site is doing every day. If it needs to be “sensational” then let it be so. Too few people are alarmed about Fukushima or even know it is happening anymore. The more awareness the better I think.
I agree, too, that if a new angle comes out on what is possibly an old story, I don’t mind seeing it again. There is so much news, and I don’t like to miss anything. What seems “new” to me about the study above is the admission of how many different radionuclides landed in CA. Older reports seemed focused on just one at a time. Also, they started the test too early I think, just before it landed in N America.
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Tacomagroove you are so right about the hot snow. I do remember the Chernobyl hot snow dramas.I saw the picture of the first dusting of snow in Hokkaido today and though it was beautiful, I could only think of what is going to happen in the US once the snows come next month-and thaw in the Spring rains.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/photojournal/graph/photojournal/1.html
Again, this is Hokkaido(Mt.Kuro). It’s not meant to freak anyone out-it’s just a regular snow pic.
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Ahhh, yes… it just wouldn’t be Thursday without another Taco meltdown.
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Hot Snow….no, acidlab.. YOU are having the meltdown..or rather Fukushima is…how about YOU standing aside ….that we may continue our discourse here?
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There is plutonium floating around our planet. Light a candle for Troy Davis on another web-site we are discussing a nuclear disaster here not the merits of the death penalty. If you don’t agree with Tacoma some constructive criticism please?
Name-calling doesn’t cut it. Tacoma has a lot of respect here. If she’s wrong prove it with citations or shut up. When a poster gets close to the truth the name-callers come out in droves
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You got that right. I remember getting SLAMMED by people in March and April because I used the word “meltdown”. They said I was sensationalizing, and that I should be locked up for saying something that was false and scary (turns out it was true all along). They tried to make ME the bad guy by saying that MY posts about the ongoing multiple meltdowns (now melt-throughs) were causing the Japanese people pain! This was from another one of these phonies who thinks reading a few talking points from the IAEA makes one an expert.
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It has been such a trip to have CNBC on all day and
watch them all studiously avoid mention of the real,
commodities, industrial, banking FACTS of the pull out
from Japan. Notice the NISSAN electric car ads are slick.
I have no money in markets nor anywhere, but,
if you don’t routinely listen in to the financial news,
it is a whole different angle on reality.
Market down 460 points EEK!
So Talking Heads are not mentioning nitty gritty stuff.
Cramer said don’t buy any banks nor financials.
They must be screaming at each other in the meetings
between CIA/Whoever the admin. sends, and the News
editors over precisely which words to utter about Fuku.
Trillions of dollars depend on Consumer Ignorant Confidence.
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Yes,…I remember being ROYALLY attacked in early May, for saying that my tomato plants had black goo on them, etc,….until I sent the PICS to xdrfox and he confirm my ‘goo’! Thanks again Doc!
The nay-sayers never said another PEEP!
Just like I like it!
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So, How did the rest of the plants and trees Fare, Jill?
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You said it bro! Amen!
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Im a quiet lurker here, i have been obsessively following this because im in the sf bay area and have two young daughters. I am so lost on the measurements, i was hoping someone here could help me.
When I saw the headline it freaked me out because I thought that the” safe” limit according to the epa was 3 piC per liter, and I remember reading that in hawaii they had measured 18piC/liter I think. But I don’t remember it being 430 yikes! So am I remembering it wrong? Was it measured in bq/liter maybe? And how does that equate to sieverts?
Oh gosh im so sorry, i never took physics. I dont mean to waste anyones time here. Im just trying to figure out if i should be evacuating my girls to south america
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You are correct, it is is 3 pci/liter. (or at least it was!)
You are not wasting anyone’s time. Thank YOU for your observation.
As far as going to the southern hemisphere. I don’t know. It might be prudent to have passports ready. On the other hand when India or Iran or some mid-east nuke thing occurs then it won’t matter which hemisphere. So, probably the best thing to do is learn what to do to protect ourselves and our loved ones as best we can where we stand.
Like teaching kids about brushing teeth and washing hands. Now we must add, don’t eat or drink what you don’t know is okay. And remind them NOT to catch raindrops on their tongues.
Yes, that’s not how life should be. Yet, it is what it is and we must deal with it if future generations are to survive and prosper.
For those who ignore these “please be aware” warnings their ‘assessed risk’ will ‘most likely’ increase exponentially.
That is why our non-transparent government’s actions on this matter are indeed criminal. I’ll bet the Obama kids have their food personally tested prior to every meal.
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Chasaha, do you have any advise on how I can protect my girls? I use bentonite clay in our water and give them their vitamins. I also give them two drops of kelp iodine every few days. We stay out of the rain. I soak our veggies in water with bentonite clay, and we don’t drink milk anymore. I am stocking up on extra sharp cheddar while I can. What else can I do?
I couldn’t imagine one of them with leukemia or heart problems
Not to mention I don’t want them to suffer as adults because of THEIR babies being sick. Its all so hard to think about. I wish I could protect them but I dont know what else to do. I read about chellation etc but can’t find most of the thinggs I read about. And I don’t feel versed enough in any of it to trust I wont do more harm than good. Kwim?
This is one of the sites that I have faith in, and I guess im looking for a miracle.
Ill stop rambling now.
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rad exposure and protection links with remedies here. feel free to post your own. the goal is a gathering place for this much needed info. we are also on a pectin, kelp, clay etc pre-fuku food as long as we can diet in my home. no more playing in the rain or snow.
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,37.0.html
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See also new Busby video about providing prophylactics like stable calcium and magnesium, which help keep Sr 90 and Pu from binding to the DNA.
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@chaossquared What you are doing by trying to understand all of this is a great first step. Just by being aware you are ahead of the majority.
Remember the 4 C’s.
1. Control your air
2. Control your water
3. Control your food
4. Control yourself
Of course, we can only try to do our best in order to decrease our risk depending on where we live and the available resources at hand. Like money for things such as a Rad Detector, Hepa Filters, Water Filters. Even buying the supplements can cost. Not everyone, including myself, can afford ANY of these things outright. I think most Americans are in the same boat. So I do the best I can.
Air – I leave my car windows up and have a good filter on the AC unit. (I have 2 N95 masks for emergency)
Water – Currently I get my water from a deep well. I am told this should be good for at least several years.
Food – I have stopped milk. Mostly all dairy, except aged cheeses. Washing all veggies at this time. Juicy fruits like Peaches I also avoid unless I know where they’ve come from.
Self – I try to have some FUN every day.
I do think about the psychological affect on kids. I don’t think it’s discussed much because there is no good answer. Kids know when somethings up. How does one best explain this to kids? I don’t have that answer, but I think they should know at some point. Not sure what age is best. (my opinion)
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I also get information from EnviroReporter.com, that’s where I learned the Four C’s rule. They have a page called “Eat Me” which discusses food strategies. Lots of tips there and several concerned parents with questions like yours.
http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/07/eat-me/
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Hi! Yours is a great question, and that is what we are supposed to be here for, to calmly answer some of these queries. My understanding is that 30 pico-curies per litre was the EPA standard for cow milk limits. However, the tricky health physics bastards always apply different standards to different substance. Thus, the rainwater has a different standard from the drinking water, and these are different standards than those for cow milk.
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oops..ignore inaccurate comment above, corrected in second post.
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Hi! Yours is a great question, and that is what we are supposed to be here for, to calmly answer some of these queries. My understanding is that 3 pico-curies per litre was the EPA standard for cow milk limits. However, the tricky health physics bastards always apply different standards to different substance. Thus, the rainwater has a different standard from the drinking water, and these are different standards than those for cow milk. Also, they may have different standards for levels of I131 that are diff from standards for levels of Cs 134 and Cs 137. I suspect it is part of the overall “mystique” of radiation that they try to increase, rather than decrease. We need to keep asking as many questions as it takes until that “mystique” is torn away.
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I find the measurements very confusing and I think the industry purposly makes it so, with different “safe” limits for milk, water, etc.
South America would be safer right now as far as fallout, but who knows what might happen in the future. Both Brazil and Argentina have operating nuclear power stations.
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chaossquared–Don’t feel badly,…I don’t understand the numbers one little bit. I also want to know from my trusted friends here,…if California really should bail,….and if so,…any suggestions, besides South America for us po’ folk?????
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Multiple meltdowns are threatened worldwide by a Solar Superstorm.
NASA has now published new data showing the odds of such a storm have increased. NOAA sees the maximum threat during the next 3 to 5 years with a peak in 2013.
NASA warns a Solar Superstorm can collapse critical power grids worldwide for months or even years.
Nuclear plants without grid power for a month can experience a meltdown.
Prevention is possible and so is grid protection.
But, to date, the necessary massive mobilization is missing.
Ironically, it could reboot the economy and generate jobs.
See http://www.aesopinstitute.org for much more information and maps worth several thousand words.
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+1 bq
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Chaos and Jill…
I’m going to give it to ya straight….
(dons Mickey Spillane, Burgess Meredith as “Mick” costume)
Ladies, and particularly the young girls in consideration,
Do You feel safe allowing your kids to go unsupervised
to your own local Park? Go to the Mall or Movies with friends?
Have you had any Racial incidents in your school or street?
Let’s start with how many politically angry squabbles
you could start and enflame just by those questions.
Cali is going to suffer…so, how Rich and Defended are you?
I have lived the West-LA/Santa Monica Life where
white is or was OK….but had black friends show me
on a map certain intersections where they said
don’t stop for the red light, get out of there.
Let’s get real about places you personally
know about in your area where you don’t go and wouldn’t
want to get broke down there, looking for help.
Now let’s fantasize about “South America”.
Some folks are sophisticated polyglot Travelers.
I expect to be received as a White-Boy, Ugly American.
I don’t even have a Passport, that’s what kind
of poor-boy patriot I am.
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Note the contradictions in the health physics info from the EPA website, below:
“Did the levels found in rainwater exceed EPA drinking water MCLs? If so, why shouldn’t people be concerned?
* While the levels in the rainwater exceeded the applicable Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) of 3piC/L for drinking water, it is important to note that the corresponding MCL for iodine-131 was calculated based on long-term chronic exposures over the course of a lifetime 70 years. The levels seen in rainwater were expected to be relatively short in duration.”
COMMENT: WHY THE HELL USE A CHRONIC OVER 70 YRS FIGURE WHEN WE ALL KNOW IT IS A FAST-LIVED RADIONUCLIDE WITH HALF-LIFE OF 8.SOMETHING DAYS? ALSO, NOTE THE REPEATED MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES: WE ‘EXPECT’ RAINWATER CONCENTRATIONS TO BE OF SHORT DURATION. HOW DO YOU KNOW? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT KEEPS ON RAINING ‘SMALL AMOUNTS’ OF CS134 AND CS137 FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, EPA??
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FURTHER PROBLEMS FROM THE EPA WEBSITE:
“How often does EPA sample precipitation?
* EPA scientists routinely test precipitation samples from more than 30 sites in the U.S. The stations submit precipitation samples to the EPA lab as rainfall, snow or sleet occurs. Under routine circumstances, samples are analyzed by EPA scientists monthly. EPA performs gamma analysis on each sample, followed by the routine analyses. Routine analysis of precipitation for gamma emissions takes about a week from the time the lab receives the sample. This is to ensure the proper analysis and quality assurance (QA) takes place before the results are released. The tests for specific radioactive material may take longer.”(See: http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/japan-faqs.html#rainwater)
WHY CAN’T THE UNITED STATES AFFORD TO USE SAMPLING TECHNOLOGY THAT COUNTS ALPHA AND BETA AND NOT JUST GAMMA? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? WHY DO THEY THINK ONLY MEASURING GAMMA IS AT ALL SUFFICIENT? THAT WAY, FOR EX, THEY NEVER PICK UP ANY PLUTONIUM, AN ALPHA-EMITTER! WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON OUR ‘HOMELAND SECURITY’ THAN THAT, YOU TRICKY EPA BASTARDS.
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Speaking of the EPA, did anyone else notice that the radiation monitor closest to the North Anna nuclear power plant went off-line for about week, a few days after the Virginia earthqauke?
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Richmond-VA-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx
Just a coincidence?
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TYPO: earthquake
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