Elevated radiation also in Germany, Sweden, Slovakia — UK expert claims iodine very unlikely from Fukushima since it was “so many months ago”

Published: November 11th, 2011 at 12:56 pm ET
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Low levels of radioactive particles in Europe: IAEA, Reuters, Nov. 11, 2011:

“Germany’s Environment Ministry said slightly higher levels of radioactive iodine had been measured in the north of the country” [...]

“Slovakia [... and] Sweden also reported traces [in addition to Austria, Czech Republic, and Hungary]”

Professor Malcolm Sperrin, director of medical physics at Britain’s Royal Berkshire Hospital, .

  • Sperrin “said any link with Fukushima was extremely unlikely”
  • “It is far more likely that the iodine may be as a result of excretion by patients undergoing medical treatment. Whilst such patients are carefully controlled, some release of iodine into the environment may be inevitable…”

Czech State Office for Nuclear Safety chief Dana Drabova:

  • “It was detected by our radiation monitoring network, with probability bordering on certainty the source is abroad. It is iodine-131 and we have asked the IAEA if they know what the source could be.”

Paddy Regan, a professor of nuclear physics at Britain’s University of Surrey:

  • Regan says the suggestion that the iodine may have leaked from a radiopharmaceuticals maker “sounds very sensible and totally reasonable.”
  • “It would be very unlikely for it to have come from Fukushima since the accident was so many months ago and iodine-131 has a brief half-life.”

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66 comments to Elevated radiation also in Germany, Sweden, Slovakia — UK expert claims iodine very unlikely from Fukushima since it was “so many months ago”

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    COVERUP LIES RADIATION EVERYWHERE!
    THIS WONT WORK ANY LONGER MSM!!
    How does it feel to be The NRC’S LAP DOG?!?!?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
    shameful, absolutely shameful.


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    • What… you don’t believe that thousands of patients spread over a massive area SUDDENLY and SIMULTANEOUSLY began venting iodine 131 into the atmosphere? … Followed by their radioactive dandruff flakes explaining the radioactive dust that settled on Europe a couple days later? Sounds plausibke to me! A far more reasonable conclusion is that the gaseous emissions from the Fukushima criticalities blew over first (xenon isotopes, radio-iodines) and then the heavier hot particles followed behind. If it was NOT Fuku-1 releases then it came from another nuclear accident…. not some poor sick person.


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    These stupid ass governments DON’T GET IT do they? Here is the kicker with the recent fission events at FUKUSHIMA where the Iodine carried in the Xenon gas release has CIRCULATED THE GLOBE and landed on your soil. Show us the numbers please…No data from the nuclear industry should be allowed to proceed without scientific method.(of course these idiots never learned that in Catholic School)Proving against rain-out Iodine particles would be much harder to do than saying “patients” excreted radioactive Iodine. How freaking hard is it to understand that when a fission events happen particles carry across the planet in the wind, ocean and upper atmospheric zones. Unlike greenhouse gasses radiation circles the globe for a long time gathering up and falling during weather events of all types. Even if it is sunny out there will be radiation build up from Fukushima around the whole planet. My next question is do people in hospitals often excrete radioactive Iodine? I never understood just how many PET scans they do with Iodine particles as their medium for testing. PET scans come with free Thyroid exposure damage…


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    • lam335 lam335

      Actually, there was a story this summer that thyroid cancer patients’ urine was contributing to elevated I-131 levels in a river near Philadelphia (and it was thereby making its way into the public water supply). But this phenomenon was apparently confined to Philadelphia, where there are several medical centers treating such patients in the vicinity (and it was apparently happening for years; the EPA knew about it, but the state only became aware of it after looking for iodine in the wake of Fukushima–the story was posted here).

      But what are the odds that thyroid cancer patients in Hungary, Sweden, Germany, and the Czech Republic all suddenly and simultaneously began excreting iodine-laced urine in unusually large quantities across their respective countries? Is this an international gang of radioactive public urinators . . . or just a bizarre coincidence . . . or perhaps a red herring?

      (My money’s on the last possibility.)


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  • TheWorldIsBlind

    LOOKS LIKE FIRE ON LIVE FEED AT REACTOR 4


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    • Johnny Blade

      it has all night!!-I was watching when the sun went down & the lights came on & kept seeing that red light in front of #3-4 just to the left of the base of the tower & it flares up,followed by heat distortion & color patterns spreading through the ruins of #4!!-my wife found the full screen shot up the way I left it when I finally went to sleep and asked me why I was watching a haunted house since Halloween was over with?!!-I have this horrid premonition that a large portion of the crap is gonna go up in a big way before the weekend is over!-I hope I’m wrong….


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    • yes it doesn’t look good in area of reactor 4 and there seems to be glowing surges
      http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html


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      • Johnny Blade

        is it me or has the quality of the video provided by TEPCO going downhill with each worrisome development and admission?! It’s like a TEPCO manager wiped a booger on the lens in a strategic way?!! I like psychedelic laser light shows & all that-but this bs is making my eyes hurt trying to focus on the areas of interest!!


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      • Hope it is just welding or something… but Tepco COULD provide decent cams with hi-res feeds and multiple angles if they WANTED us to have the truth…. just look at the beautiful cam feeds on the HUGE flatscreens in the Fuku operations center. In the photos taken by the press pool taken on the tour this week: huge screens displaying dozens of hi-def camera feeds. They appear to be sending feeds of 1080 or better resolution internally. We have seen NONE of that footage. Remember BP only showed the “spill-cam” after a U.S. Congressman forced them to (Ed Markey, Democrat-MA).


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  • HamburgGeiger

    “It would be very unlikely for it to have come from Fukushima since the accident was so many months ago and iodine-131 has a brief half-life.”

    Now that is the bullshit they tell us in german media, when they tell us anything at all.


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  • arclight arclight

    “Paddy Regan, a professor of nuclear physics at Britain’s University of Surrey, said the suggestion that it may have leaked from a radiopharmaceuticals maker “sounds very sensible and totally reasonable.”

    radiopharmaceuticals maker as opposed to a radiopharmacy?? made not stored?? then it cpmes from a reactor??

    “Because radiopharmeuticals require special licenses and handling techniques, they are often kept in local centers for medical radioisotope storage, often known as radiopharmacies. A radiopharmacist may dispense them from there, to local centers where they are handled at the practical medicine facility.”

    “131I is a beta and gamma emitter. It is used both to destroy thyroid and thyroid cancer tissues (via beta radiation, which is short-range), and also other neuroendocrine tissues when used in MIBG. It can also be seen by a gamma camera, and can serve as a diagnostic imaging tracer, when treatment is also being attempted at the same time. However iodine-123 is usually preferred when only imaging is desired.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiopharmacology


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  • TheWorldIsBlind

    Seriously something is happening at reactor 4, it’s either fission or a fire or who knows what but I’m seeing red/orange flicker right at the base from the TEPCO cam.


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Here is a link to the cam.

    http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asx

    Just looked and did not see anything noticeable.

    All hands on deck if this is a fire.

    Which way is the wind blowing?


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    • Johnny Blade

      if you watch to the left of the tower base nr. #4 long enuff you will see a red/orange thing that looks like a glow stick that intensifies & then the reactor bld. itself begins a “light show” with heat signatures. It’s like a cyclic thing & there’s even red “sparks” like burning embers showing up even near the camera from time to time…


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    • Definite “glow” that surges

      All hands on deck!


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  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    eh friends.
    here you can find a daily backup of every minute per day:
    http://e-shomei.org/live/src2/

    and tepco got another streaming link:
    http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:52045.asx

    @ johnny:
    i can see it too, but thats no fire.
    only another billionium watt strong halogen spot from tepco. :-)


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    • Why then the surges in light from the bottom up?

      I’m not disputing your interpretation–I just want to rule out a fire…


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      • Johnny Blade

        I was thinking about the red thing that “lights up,gets bright, & then fades away followed by distortion & light anomolies in the bldg.-in cycles”? The addition of another spotlight focused on an area of interest makes for a recipe sure to get my suspicious nature & slight paranoia an active day of staring at the monitor endlessly until I start saeeing things! Maybe I need a break to go watch Goofy in his size 18 red rubbers?!!LOL


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      • nuckelchen nuckelchen

        sun will rise in a few minutes, have a look out for smoke or an on going glowing.


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        • Johnny Blade

          I’m guessing I don’t have to mention that the smoke & “glowing” you mentioned was still evident and in fact seems to have grown larger & the red “jedi light saber”looking thing with its slightly-arced,vertical positioning has flared up from time to time since the lights went out & dawns early light offers a view that shows it hasn’t gone away?!The visual anomolies I see on my “boat anchor”,ancient pc & monitor are centered in the locations I’d been focused on and apparently other viewers have been observing the same phenomena…I hope the couple hours of outdoor work I have to do later are worth soaking up whatever’s blowing around this weekend?!!-BTW,hey nuckelchen!-”you are one of my newfound heroes my friend-what you do is appreciated more than you know!!-I won’t set out more of my background due to the “spooky” figures who don’t contribute,but gather dirt & intel & analyze & “file” those who participate in actively dealing with this issue-while being critical of “official” statements,handling of events,and “un-patriotic or subversive”comments & activities. I guess that’s what the “elite” consider us when we voice our contempt at the horrors of death by radiation…(sigh)..So I offer my “services” to help in any way to many of the active participants & organizations to whom I’d describe in better detail via more secure means details of my background and expertise which could prove useful.I’ll leave it at that & Thanks Again Friend!!:)p.s.-my “project” to build a highly sensitive & accurate monitoring station with a 2nd mobile unit operating via donated airtime control of a privately owned amateur radio repeater has been put on hold again as my trusty old Weller soldering station has finally expired & a box of gear including the dozen SM-20 short GM tubes & the two pancake tubes with a cigar box full of scintillation media,has all been “misplaced” but I’m hopeful will turn up soon! *PEACE* 73′s


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  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Hey! It is great to see the “crowd sourcing” live in action.

    We are indeed that here and maybe the real pre-curser to what is now referred to as, “crowd-sourcing.” :)

    Great Kudus to all! And hugs all around as we watch this and prepare for what could come if ANYTHING breaks out there in fukushima.

    A quick check of the dispersion plume at this site reveals it is headed this way as what has now become the norm. This may be why WCG is getting such high readings out there.:

    http://www.kachelmannwetter.de/japan/japan.html

    The watchman walks the walls…one day a t a time.

    We talked about how many days it takes to hit the west coast, the mid-west, and back east here in the US of a. It looks like it is constant now. Somewhere earlier here I saw something that referred to a ten-day time span before the fission wave hit Europe. I need to find that if anyone can help find that reference.

    So, let us watch the weather sharply, the reactors clearly, and be prepared to batten down the hatches if another new wave comes. This is now standard procedure for those who care to prepare and are aware.

    May I thank you all for the great interest and positivity of good information in all your workings and doings here on EneNews.

    Bless.


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  • Wednesday – 5.7 Earthquake in Van, Turkey…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dNtqjgkCts&feature=player_embedded

    Friday, Iodine – 131 in Europe.

    Distance: Van, Turkey – Metsamor, Armenia – 196km

    Metsamor is known to be worlds most dangerous nuclear power plant.

    Turkey has denied that the 1st quake a month ago in the same city would damage metsamor in armenia.

    Turkey’s Energy Minister: “Metsamor Nuclear Power Plant in Armenia must be closed” http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=158851

    “Minister said that he got corresponding reports from the experts on Metsamor NPP after quake occurred in Van (1st quake). He said that the radiation level in the region hasn’t increased: “We are against of plants the effective life of which expired.”


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  • batista

    O no, damn it. Armenia and Japan. I got nuked and feel sick.


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  • well looking at the pic metsamor is an option, quake or no quake.

    Anyhow, developments…

    “However, an official familiar with the matter, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to comment, said the release appeared to be continuing .

    In Prague, an official at the Czech State Office for Nuclear Safety said he was “100 percent sure” that the radiation had not come from any Czech nuclear power plant — or from any other source on Czech territory.”

    http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/nuke_agency_reports_unusual_radiation_in_europe/


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    • Johnny Blade

      Reminds me of my late-ex neighbor for many years who used a powder blue 55 gallon steel drum to burn his lawn & garden refuse in! -It had G.E. Nuclear Power Div. “non-potable” waste water and a Stenciled “Clinton NPP” and “DO NOT REUSE” plasterd all over the sides…he died of cancer(s)btw, so many different kinds in different areas of his body that they weren’t sure exactly which one killed him! A nice guy and a helluva master mechanic though!He left me his favorite Remington 1100 12 gauge pheasant gun & a rollaway tool chest full of Snap-on tools-maybe he left me with “something else” via “burn day” in the neighborhood?!!,I wonder if anyone bothered to check the transport box advertised above? The Plutonium that “oxidized” and turned to powder form in Idaho might just as easily apply to this nuclear warhead transport box and this item might’ve been “inheirited” from its first owner who opened it for the first time?!!Who knows?!!


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  • arclight arclight

    “Whilst such patients are carefully controlled, some release of iodine into the environment may be inevitable!”

    should read

    Whilst such patients are not carefully controlled, release of iodine into the environment is inevitable….

    ever taken a geiger to the main entrance of a hospital and hang out there??? best to have it on silenr mode… trust me!! or try it yourself!! or go to the radiation monitoring thread (gotta be a shorter name??)
    just an observation!
    peace


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  • ben ben

    Hi all, i have a question:

    Is it that they measure only iodine-131 or
    is it that they measure other radioactive isotopes too but were not detected in this case?


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    • arclight arclight

      they have been vague about this…CRIIRAD offer spectroanalysis charts… check the 2 most southerly… there are also beta dips and peaks as described on the other on topic thread …..

      they should have equipment that measures instantly across the spectrum for a rough analysis and 24 hours for an isotope breakdown.. i believe…though i think there are quicker spectrometers now available!!

      of course if it is from a criticality or reactor release it may have other isotopes… wonderful thing censorship! noticed that in one day i have heard that this comes from….

      an iodine 131 “maker” which i believe means a reactor. this from a “scientist” lol!

      and that urine from someone caused a europe wide contamination….that, by the way is the BEST excuse ive ever heard for anything.. and i WANT to believe it so ADMIN could post such a HEADLINE… :)
      dont know if this will help but im getting delerious now and must hibernate!!
      peace to you all!!


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    • ben,
      iodine-131 is the easiest to check for, they may check for others after that but many times they do not release that inf. or not right away for what ever reasons, would want the people to understand all do not disintegrate as fast as iodine-131 with half life of 5-8 days !

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life


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      • ben ben

        Suppose it is from Fukushima:
        what other isotopes could be there then?

        (The ones mentioned here?
        For fission of uranium-235, the predominant radioactive fission products include isotopes of iodine, caesium, strontium, xenon and barium.)


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  • ben ben

    If i understand correct than there could be the following isotopes there:

    Kr-85
    Xe-131m
    Xe-133
    Xe-135

    These are the ones mentiones here:
    http://enenews.com/busby-going-fission-occurring-fukushima-either-recent-enriched-uranium-fission-explosive-criticality


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  • Lacsap Lacsap

    131I decays with a half-life of 8.02 days with beta and gamma emissions. This nuclide of iodine atom has 78 neutrons in nucleus, the stable nuclide 127I has 74 neutrons. On decaying, 131I most often (89% of the time) expends its 971 keV of decay energy by transforming into the stable 131Xe (Xenon)

    131I is a fission product with a yield of 2.878% from uranium-235,[7] and can be released in nuclear weapons tests and nuclear accidents. However, the short half-life means it is not present in significant quantities in cooled spent nuclear fuel, unlike iodine-129 whose half-life is nearly a billion times that of I-131.

    Iodine in food is absorbed by the body and preferentially concentrated in the thyroid where it is needed for the functioning of that gland. When 131I is present in high levels in the environment from radioactive fallout, it can be absorbed through contaminated food, and will also accumulate in the thyroid. As it decays, it may cause damage to the thyroid. The primary risk from exposure to high levels of 131I is the chance occurrence of radiogenic thyroid cancer in later life. Other risks include the possibility of non-cancerous growths and thyroiditis.[1]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131


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  • thelili

    That noise you hear…Is the noise of the very rich trying to scramble from their countries to where there are the most resources.

    They are going to abandon the citizens. In every single country.

    Revoke their passports/diplomatic immunity/amnesty packages.

    If they can’t run they’ll have to act.


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  • There was an article here somehow about scientists noticing the half-life of Cesium-137 was longer than normal.

    Could this be happening with Iodine-131 as well?

    Isn’t Iodine-131 related to the ongoing criticalities?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident
    A criticality accident, sometimes referred to as an excursion or a power excursion, is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans and causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings.

    Iodine-131 now detected in Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary… other countries — An indicator of nuclear chain reaction — 10 days after criticality talk at Fukushima
    http://enenews.com/just-in-iodine-131-now-detected-in-several-european-countries-iaea-believes-levels-do-not-pose-a-public-health-risk-not-from-fukushima


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Radiation from Japan reaches Europe
    30.03.11 @ 09:24
    RELATED European radiation levels normal, Brussels says France rebukes EU energy chief over nuclear remarks EU plans tougher radiation limits for Japanese food

    http://euobserver.com/885/32091


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