Ultimate Irony? Prime Minister: Japan must restart nuclear reactors for “survival of society”

Published: June 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am ET
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Japan PM says two reactors must restart for survival of society
Reuters
Linda Sieg and Aaron Sheldrick
Jun 8, 2012 7:23am EDT

Japan’s prime minister said on Friday that two idled nuclear reactors in western Japan must be restarted to protect jobs and ensure the “survival of society”, risking a voter backlash given safety fears more than a year after the Fukushima crisis.

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Japanese voters, however, have grown wary of nuclear power since Fukushima, with surveys showing that about 70 percent want to abandon reliance on atomic energy even if not immediately.

Around 1,000 people protested outside the prime minister’s office in central Tokyo after his news conference, chanting “We oppose restarts” and “Protect our children”. More were joining the crowd of office workers, mothers with children and elderly as they waved banners opposing nuclear power.

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41 comments to Ultimate Irony? Prime Minister: Japan must restart nuclear reactors for “survival of society”

  • farawayfan farawayfan

    More likely survival of his kickback. Has he noticed outside of brown outs or at worst rolling blackouts the current complete lack of nuclear power in Japan has only been an inconvenience that has not even slowed their industry? So far from survival while eradicating NPPs is a matter of survival. Scaremongering and fear tactics, hey isn't that what pronukers are always saying about this site? Argh.


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  • Urban27

    The summer is the most demanding period for electricity in Japan, because all the air conditions.
    But I have a solution to that, that could really save much electricity. Simply take cool water from deep under sea surface and use for cooling. Some hundred meters under the surface the temperature is abt 41 degree F (5 deg C). If you take that water in to large cities it will be 90 percent saving. I thought this out long time ago. You are free to use.
    Urban Jonsson


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @Urban27: not a bad idea on the face of it. But there would be some engineering and environmental issues that need addressing: how much energy would be required to move the required mass of water to-and-from the desired destination? What changes would be required to existing infrastructures, when installing these water lines. What thermal losses would be expected as the distances change and what expense would be incurred in overcoming them? Next: what impact on the sea life-forms would moving such a large volume of water have?

      This is just a suggestion that builds on your idea: use these temperature differentials (between upper-and-lower regions) to actuate pistons, which would then be used to drive electrical generators. This system could be built on land, then dropped at desire ocean locations. Electrical feeds could be buoyed-back to centralized distribution hubs for final feed to land.

      Finally, this subject matter is off-topic and best fielded in Alternative Energy forum.


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      • covelogibbs covelogibbs

        I disagree that this is off topic, when we're talking about Japan's energy requirements and restarting their nukes for the “survival of society.” Our societies survival is on the line too, outside of Japan, and what could be more pertinent to this conversation than proffering up some solutions? I'm new to this site, but to me it seems appropriate to discuss something that has the potential to reduce a building's heating and cooling requirements to almost zero!


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          @covelogibbs: I'll respectfully disagree and point you to:

          http://enenews.com/forum-alternative-energy

          The above mentioned forum is graciously provided (amongst others) by the ENENEWS administrators, to provide a venue for discussions that are not relevant to the posted article. This is done to prevent discussions from being side-tracked (as has-been obviously done with this thread) or unduly cluttered with irrelevant speculation (again, as has-been done with this particular thread). There's even a forum for totally off-topic posts. Being that few other website administrators are as considerate to their members, we should reciprocate by keeping with the program…


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    • covelogibbs covelogibbs

      This is a great idea, although you don't need to do this exclusively in the ocean, as the ground also maintains a constant temperature. Using geothermal heat pumps, also called geothermal ground contact heat exchange heating and cooling WILL be an important part of the solution. We'll need to use all our tricks to eliminate nuclear and drastically reduce our dependence on coal and other fossil fuels.

      More on geothermal heat pumps: http://www.fossilfreedom.com/geothermal.html


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  • Insight

    There were 3 earthquakes today, 06/08/2012, at Fukushima-ken; 2 of them were 4.5 & one was 5.0.
    Did these earthquakes cause new damage to the Fukushima nuclear site?

    Also there was an earthquake magnitude 4.5 at Niigata-ken near the city of Sugawa which has both a nuclear facility and a volcano nearby.
    I pray that no damage was done.


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  • Cisco Cisco

    It's interesting that Germany produced 22 gigawatts in a two day period, satisfying the daytime demand of 50% [http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/28/solar-power-world-record-germany].

    That would be equivalent to 22 of their nuclear reactors at full power. That start from announcing only several months ago of closing 8 reactors immediately and dismantling it's nuclear fleet by 2022 is kind of amazing; but, once again this doesn't get discussed in the US MSM.

    The nuclear cabal is killing us. Too bad for them, their kids, and grand kids, they'll all be going with us.


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    • HamburgGeiger

      Cisco, you are a little bit too optimistic. I live in Germany, and the end of nuclear has been decided long ago (2001?), and since then solar and wind energy has been developed over here. There is no way to achieve that so fast.

      It was our chancellor Merkel, an industry- and nuclear-puppet, that first decided to end the end of nuclear(!) and then some months later after fukushima and only because of pressure from the people to again start the end of nuclear. Now these days she tries again to proceed in her original direction, that is PRO nuclear. It is a long way to go, and it takes decades to win this fight.


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      • HamburgGeiger

        People over here fighting against nuclear for more then 30 years now…


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi HG, agreed, I saw a poll just yesterday, according to which 53% of the German population would agree to slow down the nuclear phase-out to avoid electricity becoming too expensive.
        Obviously, the right-wing PR department does quite an effective job again.


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      • Cisco Cisco

        Thanks HamburgGeiger. I do understand that Germany has been installing solar for over a decade. What I was attempting to point out was this, 1. Germany announced and publicly committed to a huge anti-nuclear policy position, and 2. the fact that Germany had reached a record point in its production of green power. It is a testament to the viability of solar; and, it demonstrates the capabilities of large scale green power production.

        This event flies in the face of the nuclear and fossil fuel industry, that green power isn’t scalable and there isn’t enough of it to be a meaningful. It may not be a big story in Germany, but it should be here in the US. That was the point of my post.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          "It is a testament to the viability of solar…" and, the great people of Germany…


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          • HamburgGeiger

            Yes it is.

            Interesting how things look different from a distance / another perspective. You see things with your US background in a whole other light that are pretty normal for us. You also don`t see the difficulties and all the problems still not solved. It is still a long way to go, even here in Germany, but we are on the way. And I love that this is inspiration for you. Go, end nuclear!


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              Thank you HG! I am honored by your kind and considerate words. May your people and nation continue in their ascendency, towards better days…


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        • HamburgGeiger

          Ok, I agree with that.

          I understood it that way that we just needed some months to get this amount of clean energy over here. And that certainly is wrong. Solar and wind energy was known here for 20-30 years, but it really got started around the year 2000 I think.


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          • Cisco Cisco

            HG…

            We have been producing green energy in the US for last 20-30 years, too; but, like Germany it was negligible in terms of its percentage contribution. Not until 2000, when you passed the Renewable Energy Act (Erneuerbare-Energien-Gesetz), did large scale green energy projects take off that were meaningful in terms of gigawatts.

            Our progress in green energy has been pathetic, unless one wants to call “nuclear power generation”, green. The nuclear cabal here has been effective in brainwashing Americans into believing this cruel hoax.


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    When you are a natural born criminal, the smart way to live your criminal life without jail is joining politics or teh industry . Because the system is made by them for generations to function like that. The majority of adult sociopaths NOT in jail or deathrow is to be found in those two places. Thats right , ABOVE you and me in the food and decision chain..


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    • bleep_hits_blades

      Yes, DID, this is a big part of the problem – sociopaths/ narcissists in positions of power. They are seriously mentally/emotionally ill but most often this is not recognized; quite often are high functioning & possess a lot of charm.

      Often they are drawn to positions of power; & they are totally amoral & very manipulative. This is a huge unacknowledged problem that is just beginning to be recognized.

      Other aspects of the problem are the immense study the elites have made of human psychology, & how effectively they use this information to control us; & the defense mechanism of denial that most people use very heavily (so much so that it is a societal norm & people like us who don't use denial so much are a minority, only around 5-10% I think) to keep awareness of these serious problems out of their conscious minds.

      Another big problem is that 'all's fair in love and war… & business.' Big business/big govt. are governed by NO moral code whatsoever. For those competing in that 'anything goes' arena, a moral code, scruples, would be handicap that would guarantee them to be non-competitive.

      So this is our reality – it has gotten us where we are today – perilously close to a 'major discontinuity'/mass eco-failure/ collapse.

      I don't see any way to change this deadly reality for a safer & saner one, certainly not as rapidly as change needs to be made, if we are not to finish the job of destroying the ecosystems that sustain life.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        @bleep: all of which illustrates how ineffective 'they' are. For all their studies, they still haven't factored the Schrödinger effect into the equation-of-control. For 'them', it's an eternal game of whack-a-mole. So have no fear…chaos is here!


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  • Truth

    Haven't enough of their government gotten cancer from radiation? Must he also experience it to change his mind?…. Perhaps even that would not flex it, but irony is very much a part of life.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Total insanity to restart any reactor. Citizens of the world, do not let a few sick crazy men make you coexist with this horrible man-made development. It's unneeded, and unwanted.


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  • Survival of a maimed and sick society? I look forward to change for the good. The huge population of India could do with capstan operated stuff and other living energy enjoyment. Thats the way -full of forests and fruits- good air and good rain and good everything-not these poisoned things and beings.


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Thanks, Heart! NOW we're talking! Go, citizens of Japan! Don't let those sociopaths in power continue their madness any longer!

      To quote Bob Marley: "Get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights."


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    • Here's a little wakeup (quote from the above link):

      "JAPAN has survived for THOUSANDS of years without nuclear power plants."

      I guess they reason that killing children and destroying the human genome is a small price to pay for limousines, comfort-women and expensive champagne to a small group of sociopaths who really don't understand what the real effects of radiation are and couldn't care less.

      I think they have another word for it too: progress.

      So, let's think about this for a second. Do we really need nuclear power to boil water?

      Largest Solar Cooking System Saving 7,000 Dollars A Month
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRGAfw4AMag

      No soot, no smoke, no trees cut down, no leukemias and cancers, no meltdowns, no lying and finger-pointing and a lot of happy contented people. (Just what the sociopaths hate).


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      • faithhopelove

        "No soot, no smoke, no trees cut down, no leukemias and cancers, no meltdowns, no lying and finger-pointing and a lot of happy contented people."

        Wow! Thanks for the video.

        Do the majority of US citizens realize that all the electrical needs of their 100 million households could be met using simple solar concentrator technology with a landmass only 6400 square miles in size (a total landmass that not much larger than Brewster County in Texas!).
        http://enenews.com/forum-alternative-energy/comment-page-2#comment-259950

        If more people knew this, why would they tolerate a nuke plant in their back yard?


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Tepco officially admitted they don’t need nuclear power

    By using pumped-storage power generation and steam-power generation,next summer they can supply more than 57 million kilowatts, which is the maximum supply capacity of this summer. This year, we did not run out of power. 57 million kilowatts is even OVER supply.

    The annual peak of the electric consumption is late August in Japan. By proving that they can cover the potential demand of next summer, it has become clear that they don’t need nuclear power through a year.

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/11/tepco-officially-admitted-they-dont-need-nuclear-power/


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    ~How many people died as a result of surgeries that were never performed or had a more debilitating illness as a result of delays, because of Tepco's rolling blackouts last summer? Also imagine all those that were ill or injured & the seniors & children suffering through the heat of summer without relief. All of this on top of the suffering they were already going through.

    ZARROLI: He tells me Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, announces power outages hours in advance, and it does so nearly every day. Often, the blackouts are canceled at the last minute, but the unpredictability makes it impossible to schedule the kinds of lengthy heart and brain operations the hospital performs.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/04/03/135087160/blackouts-a-hazard-for-japanese-hospitals


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    The recalculation found that the country would have a surplus power supply of up to 6 percent even without a government order for power restrictions if renewable energy supply and other elements were factored in.

    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20120123p2a00m0na007000c.html


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  • Re: http://enenews.com/ultimate-irony-prime-minister-japan-must-restart-nuclear-reactors-for-survival-of-society

    What is balance between "Survival of Society" and involuntary useless contamination of all life for all time and the consequent aftermath? Look at the Ohio leak and all the other problems with the world's nukes which overall is a leading extinction level event. I quote from my assessment following Gofman for the next hundred years @ 0.1% leak of just Cs137 inventory(reactors and waste storages for the 350 reactors in the world) annually:
    Committment of 204300 cancer deaths per year gives rise, because of the long lived nature of Caesium 137 of half life of 30 years,to the total number of cancer fatalities, which, in 100 years, are expected to be 5000 times 204300 and not 100 times this or it is 1 billion or 5000 Bhopals a year on average!Each Bhopal is counted as 2043 immediate deaths after Bhopal accident.
    Check out http://isisunveiledhenp.blogspot.in/2010/07/health-effects-of-nuclear-power-during.html
    As pointed out by comments very cogently in this section, the present rulers are dragging humanity to a level infinitelyless than the beastly.
    We must reform now.


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