Published: November 7th, 2011 at 4:10 am ET
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Title: Interview – Marco Kaltofen – Airborne Radiation Spread
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Date: Nov 6, 2011
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Interview with Marco Kaltofen, PE, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, about his research studying airborne radioactive particles from Fukushima and the Hanford Nuclear Reservation.
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At 9:25 in
- We’ve also occasionally seen rain-outs…
- A rain storm deposits radiation over a specific place
- We’ve seen this happen in Oregon, we’ve seen this happen Washington…
- You might find a small locality that got a lot more radiation than everyone else…
- It’s just chance, it’s just bad luck…
- The existence of hot particles in Seattle is well documented…
h/t Jebus
Published: November 7th, 2011 at 4:10 am ET
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Yet we withheld this data. Which was criminal…
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Beyond criminal. A transgression against life itself!!!
“To do such a thing is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man. The idea that a civilization could sustain itself on the basis of such a transgression is an ethical, spiritual, and metaphysical monstrosity.” — E.F. Schumacher 1973
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There should be a worldwide lawsuit, I talk to alot of people who dont know what fukushima is, or what a meltdown is… its pretty sad that this day and age and they are still able to cover this all up to most of the people. 2012 is gonna be a interesting year!
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The people dont want meltdowns. So when meltdowns happen they will take the next “best” thing–dont think about meltdowns.
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Occifer dave. How does this paper make you feel? Your from Washington right?
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Hi guys, I am in Seattle suburbs. I mailed a sample of my soil I took in September 2011 from my property to test for radiation by what seems like an independent lab. I’ve received the results. According to the lab my soil has got about 60 Bq/Sq Meters. I am not a scientist, so I started looking for ways to compare it. I found this… According to the map found on page 24 of this file.
http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub1239_web.pdf FIG. 3.5. Surface ground deposition of Cs137. Page 24) half of France was contaminated by Chernobyl and other means with over 2,000 Bq/Sq Meter and my soil sample shows only about 60 Bq/Sq Meter, and is therefore about 33 times less contaminated than France, right? Is that a correct assumption? Am I comparing apples to apples? Does it mean that my land in Seattle is significantly less contaminated than that of France?
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Hi Jake, good job doing research and having your soil tested. It would be awesome if we were rich and we could afford to send soil from the same spot to about 10 different labs around the US and “test” for scientific consistency and honesty.
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It cost only $39. Yes, I am surprised that these services aren’t so popular considering the cancers we are facing now. Nuk industry is doing a good job blocking information and spreading lies about Fuku effects.
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Welcome Jake E,
Yes, it appears that way, from just that one sample you could hypothesize that. By the way do you have the name of that lab? I might want to do some testing of my own…
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Here is the site I ordered the test from:
http://www.well.com/user/peter/nukes.html
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Jake.
60bq sq of what?
And one sample does not conclude you are living in a low radiation zone. Where do you shop? what do you eat? is it imported? what water supply do you use? is it safe? are there fuel flee’s in your home?
In my opinion having radiation detected in the soil in your yard is probably a good indication that there is a whole lot more everywhere you sit run and play.
The better question to start asking.
Q. I have low level radiation in my area. How do I properly protect myself from it?
Again the type of radiation is important.
Alpha beta or gamma?
And to answer that question I would direct you to wikipedia to read about the types of emitters, the isotopes that give off those emitters, and the medical impacts they have on the human body.
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Fyi I live in Tacoma.
Your soil is likely much much much higher than 60.
I would dispute that analysis.
(Being you live in seattle, Which should technically have three to five times the radiation levels seen in tokyo.)
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TG:
How do you come to these conclusions? 3-5X the amount in TOKYO?
Did you even watch this video? You must have a filter for only the worst sounding things.
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enemoe – Fukushima has spewed only the worst sounding things. Nothing to come out of the explosions and melt thrus could ever be interpreted as ‘good’, consequently there are no ‘good sounding things’ to talk about.
What here ‘sounds good’?
Multuple melt thrus.
Two reactors have exploded.
Nuclear shit cloud envelops the earth.
Massive poisoning of Japan and it’s people.
Massive poisoning of the Pacific Ocean.
Millions of cancer deaths.
Etc., etc., etc.
If you know of something that ‘sounds good’ please report it here….
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StPaulScott,
Well, while it’s not great, I watch this video and come to the conclusion that, currently, things aren’t nearly as bad as TacomaGroove would have us believe. Is Japan screwed? YES. Do we need to evacuate the west coast of the US? No. Watch the video, Marco says it explicitly.
For TG to say, “Seattle has higher levels of radiation than Tokyo” is just unfounded and baseless. It’s scaremongering.
Is the situation there stable, no way! But that doesn’t mean we’re all doomed to extinction here in the US.
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Hey Tacoma, I am not sure if disputing analysis would do any good. I think the best way is to get more sources of such measurements and come to our own conclusions. You mentioned that you believe the contamination is much higher than what I was told by the lab. May we please look at your measurements/information or know how you arrive to the conclusion?
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i am sorry to say it, but I think that TacomaGroove just says whatever she feels like saying and anyone who contradicts or questions her is a shill.
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Tacoma also has a track record of being correct on many things prior to the PTB making the same info generaly available. Tacoma has provided more usefull info on this site than damned near anyone else. Good technical info. So blow it out your ass enemoe……
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+1 StPaulScout – Tacomagroove has been like Cassandra, I value her input, sometimes she is wrong, (like calling me a shill, lol, I was actually quite upset about that, but hey, actions speak louder than words and if anything I was soooo cross about it that I became more activated in my radicalism) yet more often than not she has been correct.
This is War – the corporations must be made accountable. Man-made ionising radiation is not safe and is fast accumulating; exponentially, we are the frogs in the pan of water, the heat is on and unless we call for compassion and empathy, unless we insist upon it, the corporations will ‘accidentally’ poison our beautiful earth. We are all responsible in a sense, if this happens while we are too busy shopping and playing at wasting our time here on earth we will miss this chance to change and heal this construct. You know I love you and would love for you to join with me in this very real WAR, ok it’s all a ride, yet this carries the fate of all things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small. It is a war that is being enacted inside each and every one of us, whether we chose to fight for good, for life, for the bees and clean air and water, or we chose not to. We all get to decide the outcome of this, this is why we are all here at this time – cosmic shit, Love and Light to Enenwsers, place of scrutiny, sanity and compassion.
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Snake Jake dude where u cumin from? Of course da chits higher WhTF u been buddy?- Yea yur bro in shill says all sweetly does it mean Im radient free cept my bananas tee hee (eyes batting wildly) Hmmmm course taco pulled that figure from her skirtline where are we gettin any REAL info from anymore?? Gob just turns off their machines and presto look no giant ball of invisible and crazy poisonous snakes chowin down on ur head anymore- GROW UP if u need to see how stupid u r go watch a rrunner skit where super genius puts up an umbrella to hide the crushing impact of the rock!
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60 Bq per Sq Meter. And yes, of course, if I buy organic spinach and accidently eat a chunk of plutonium that is stuck to it, then I am toast, regardless of my soil contamination. But I am trying to find more of such measurements to estimate the danger and possibly move to live somewhere else. The lab did say “Other samples from your general area are showing similar levels.” But we all know that it is good to have as many sources of data as possible when it comes to nuk contamination. They did send me more info on alpha, beta, gamma. I do not know how to interpret some/most of that stuff. If any scientists want to look at it, I think I can share these measurements. I read wiki info on different particles, and I totally understand how misleading the nuk industry is when they try to compare dental xray to the levels of radiation we get from Fuku. But they say nothing what would happen to your lungs when you breath in only 200 hot particles of Cs137. That would probably cause cancer, but the level of radiation of those 200 particles in near undetectable, which nuk industry and bought politicians claim to be “safe.”
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u didnt mentiisotope found?? but heres some info
got this link but you need to convert to bq/m3 from bq/m2 as you have///
gives (i thinkK) 216,000 bq/m3
Environmental contamination : soil, water, forest, plants
“All soil used anywhere in the world for agriculture contains radionuclides to a greater or lesser extent. Typical soils contain approximately 300 kBq/m3 of 40K to a depth of 20 cm. This radionuclides and others are then taken up by crops and transferred to food, leading to a concentration in food and feed of between 50 and 150 Bq/kg. The ingestion of radionuclides in food is one of the pathways leading to internal retention and contributes to human exposure from natural and man-made sources. Excessive contamination of agricultural land, such as may occur in a severe accident, can lead to unacceptable levels of radionuclides in food.”
http://www.tesec-int.org/chernobyl/Environmental%20contamination.htm
radon but relevant maybe
“Radioactivity in the United States is measured in units of Curies which is equal to the decay rate of a gram of Radium. Curie comes from Madame Curie, the renown scientist who determined the decay rate of radium in the 1920′s. One pCi/L is one trillionth of a curie of activity in a liter of air. The US EPA recommends that the level of radon in a home be reduced below 4.0 pCi/L. In Europe and Canada they use Becquerel’s per cubic meter (Bq/m3). Four pCi/L is about equal to 150 Bq/m3.”
http://www.querycat.com/question/5c5d96badd4bc0f5dc9faa4b0c89c9d8
hope this helps
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oh so your reading is 216bkg/m3 in non agricultural land (probaly the fertiliser etc) sounds like good news…but didnt they give you the 24 hr spectrographic results too?? could you ask for it??
hope my figures are right
peace
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You can see rainouts here: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Corvallis-OR-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx
about 70 miles north of us. The one that’s 300+ CPM follows the smoke event in #2 by about the right number of days, I think. I was away, and warned the family to stay out of that storm but was ignored. I’m reading .20 mcSv approx. at ground level presently. I have seen produce spike to .35 but averages about.20 also. No idea about becquerels or accumulation rates.
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Any thoughts on what this could mean for real estate in the next few years?
If people have to be told about sex offenders living in their neighborhood before they purchase a house, along with other potential hazards in the home or on the land, I’m guessing pretty soon people will want to know how contaminated their dream homes are when it comes to radiation, too. As badly as I want to protect my kids from sex offenders, they’re not nearly as frightening a threat as radiation. At least you can see hear and feel them invading your space.
What should I do when hubby gets transferred next time? How can I choose a “safe” location when it seems as though it’s pretty random? We can’t afford a geiger counter with any real reliability, and when you get transferred, they usually don’t give you time to wait for soil tests before moving.
I’m just tossing this all out here – not really expecting you folks to have all the answers. Just finding myself particularly creeped out by all of this today.
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Given current level of interest in general population? Uhhh … Vary, very few of will ask, or test.
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When they awaken with/from the silent blow, prove where it came from, where you got the cancer !
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Well, at least until/unless it becomes “in fashion” to do so. From the few people I’ve talked to about this, I think there’s some awakening going on, albeit slowly. Do you really think this will remain our “little secret” for *years* to come?
Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I get the strong feeling that the powers that be won’t be able to keep control of the story, any more than they’ve been able to control the reactors in Fukushima, for much longer.
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@risabee et al
“Given current level of interest in general population? Uhhh … Vary, very few of will ask, or test. ”
citizen gieder monitors will lead the way in this area over the coming decades…we have to as we dont trust the government…probaly work best with volunteer monitors like they had in norway until recently!! but thats another story!! … the government should organise, supply and spectroanalyse suspect samples…we have to keep doing this until we are sure
a that the majority of this contamination has “rained/snowed out of the atmosphere
b that the mountain contamination has flushed through and poses no further threats (some soils/ecologies will retain contamination and will have to be abandoned and these areas will have to be monitored for 300 to 100,000 years approx)
and of course this all ends up in the sea….still the holy grail of censorship…thanks Marco Kaltofen for mentioning that by the way in the recent video…. and then there are issues of silt contamination and land to sea transportation for about 300 to 100,000 years approx…
so my advice is to invest in dosimitry!! and get your shares in enenews now because whatever happens it aint gonna happen quick enough and enenews will be covering the coverup!
just my take!
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Yur hubby gets transferred all the time all over the place where u and ur kids are dragged along everytime and u dont make enuff frog skins to buy a decent clicker counter??
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I did like the fact the he uses the word ‘SPREAD’ instead of dispersion. (or dilution)
Rain dumps will continue. It’s random and spotty. The cold and dipping of the Jet Stream will make the situation overwhelmingly obvious.
“What we are really worried about is a dust particle…”
“Fukushima is unique… like iodine, cesium-134, we ARE still seeing the Fukushima fingerprint.”
“We are nowhere near enough testing!”
“Hanford cleanup will take THOUSANDS of years.” – Marco Kaltofen
Clarification -> Cesium-137 decay rate is 30 years. However, it remains Hazardous to Life for approximately 300 years! I wish the ‘experts’ would clarify this when they speak.
Half-Life (decay rate) is another of those slightly misleading terms unless you are familiar with the topic. Reminder: Decay Rate x 10 = Hazardous to Life Span.
Food Products??? Get ready for the rise in minimum levels. Our government will follow the lead of Japan in deceiving the public as to what is and is NOT safe.
Test the “friggin’” food!!! (& water)
There is no reason for concern… < – Don’t believe it.
Be aware! <– Believe it.
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He also mentioned fish – his first choice for testing.
I do wonder why . . .
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+100,000
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- Property values in Ca. ??
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He says the hot particles “were at relatively high concentration” for a few weeks or a month. I wish he or AG would provide more information about what kinds of particles and in what relative concentrations. I know there was a lot of iodine and cesium. But they have said alpha particles made it to Boston. What kinds of alpha particles were they? How many did they find? Was there just one or two isolated specks of americium or plutonium on one filter, or were several turning up every day/week or on multiple filters?
Why won’t any body share this information with the public?
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Iam335,
He says relatively high, relative to the normal concentration of 0. When I watch this video I hear a man telling me that, yes, there were hot particles, particularly in April and late March. What I don’t hear is someone telling me that I probably breathed in these particles. Did some people breath them in, surely, most people, most certainly not.
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I have no doubt that many people breathed in at least some particles; Gundersen said the average person in Seattle breathed in several every day–the “average person” implies that most people breathed in at least some–some more, others less, but anyone who breathed in zero would be an outlier.
However, many more people probably breathed in cesium and iodine than alpha particles (I’m not sure if iodine is considered a “hot particle” if it is in a gaseous state). But “hot particles” could mean cesium or plutonium or americium. It seems to me that it makes a huge difference whether what one breathed in was cesium or one of the nastier alpha particles. Not only are the latter more devastating to tissue/cells, but their “biological half-life” (i.e., the time it takes for the amount in the body to reduce by half) is generally much longer. I believe cesium’s biological half-life can be measured in days/months, whereas americium’s and plutonium’s are measured in decades.
So if some of us breathed in cesium in March or April, much of it might already have left our bodies. If we breathed in americium, much of it will likely remain in our bodies for the rest of our lives.
If there were enough alpha particles crossing the country that, even as some were deposited along the way, some made it all the way to Boston and the UK, that says to me there must have been a pretty significant number.
I would like to know what are the odds that I breathed in one of those, as opposed to the iodine and cesium which were probably impossible to avoid if you had walk outside this spring.
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Enee MEANY mini…. shill
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I know the so-called experts claimed that alpha particles were too heavy to travel far, though that has been proven incorrect by the fact that alpha emitters from Fuku are now known to have reached not only the US West Coast but even Boston and, according to Busby, the UK as well. Does anyone know if these particles (i.e., plutonium, americium) travel as quickly as the other stuff (xenon, iodine, cesium)? If they are really heavier or larger, would they have taken longer to get here?
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I was wondering about this question until something struck me when I saw your post. Which is heavier? 1 gram of lead or 1 gram of feathers.
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Maaaaa– Not a good comparison- Obviously a gram is a gram– BUT we are talking about the dispersion fallout patterns of gram pellets of lead VS grams of feathers then of course the gram part is moooooooot
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The plutonium can travel far as long as the particles are small enough. The particles were finely ground in MOX fuel, with an explosion to boot, to make them even finer.
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Kaltofen also has an experiment showing how corexit worsened the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdAtvB9OtRs
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Regarding real estate values..
As a real estate expert, I would test a home and property anywhere within fifty miles of ANY nuclear research, reprocessing or power facility. Studies have shown that disease rates get higher the close to the facility.
There should be a global disclosure form for properties within fifty miles of any nuke facility or military installation.
That would be reasonable and logical, but then again, much of what humanity does is not logical or reasonable; like shooting off DU weapons globally, including in the US, thus spreading uranium dust all over the place.
Deformities in Faluja Iraq are about 80% of all newborns. Doctors are telling women not to get pregnant. Cause? Could it be all of the DU dust?
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