UPI: “Fukushima plant is approaching a worst case scenario” — Top Japan Nuclear Official: “This is what we have been fearing”

Published: August 22nd, 2013 at 12:58 pm ET
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Title: Regulators say situation at crippled Fukushima plant alarming
Source: UPI
Date: Aug. 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM

‘Worst-case scenario’ at Fukushima

The Japanese Nuclear Regulation Authority said the cascading series of radioactive water leaks from the Fukushima plant is approaching a worst case scenario.

[Tepco] warned there may be hundreds more tanks like [the one leaking] on the site of the 2011 meltdown.

“We cannot waste even a minute,” [Chairman of the Japan Nuclear Regulation Authority Shunichi Tanaka] said. “This is what we have been fearing.” […]

Atsunao Marui, director of research at Japan’s National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, said the situation is likely to get worse.

“It’s important to think of the worst-case scenario,” he said.

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Published: August 22nd, 2013 at 12:58 pm ET
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106 comments to UPI: “Fukushima plant is approaching a worst case scenario” — Top Japan Nuclear Official: “This is what we have been fearing”

  • Ourself Ourself

    <q cite="It's important to think of the worst-case scenario.">

    What <i>is</i> the worst-case scenario?

    • Ourself Ourself

      So much for HTML tags. Lol.

      • 21stCentury 21stCentury

        Here's a couple of guys who look ready to get hired to be trained as storage tank inspectors at FDNPP1…
        http://www.japantoday.com/images/size/x/2013/08/mccainabe.jpg
        …a roll of ducktape and a couple bottles of wine, and we'd be on the road to work in a jiffy.

        John McCain & Shinzo Abe are yukking it up in Tokyo this week..
        busy making arrangements to keep US-Marines from raping&abusing JapaneseGirls, and wheedling about another freetrade pact.

        US-Republicrats are all scheming on how to keep the LNG prices to Japan stuck to the ceiling, when the whole world has methane leaking out everywhere.
        http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/08/dramatic-rise-in-methane-levels-since-end-july-2013.html

        BigOil wants to control Japan's access to LNG..
        BigOil loves Fukushima !!

        …nuclear extortion, on a corporate level.
        none dare call it terrorism

        http://www.youralaskalink.com/news/After-the-Wave-Rebuilding-Japans-Energy-Policy-193166901.html

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Very entertaining 21stCentury! HAARP and chemtrails go mainstream. And this juicy bit…heads up to all you methane guys; a great graphic

          Geoenginering must be used immediately as a cooling method in the Arctic to counteract the effects of the methane buildup in the short term. However these methods will lead to further pollution of the atmosphere in the long term and will not solve the earthquake induced Arctic methane buildup which is going to lead to our annihilation.

          methane release will accelerate exponentially, release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere and lead to the demise of all life on earth before the middle of this century.

          • We Not They Finally

            And don’t forget about the Gulf. They drilled a hole into the seabed!!! (What Matt Simmons got killed for revealing.) There may be a “methane volcano” down there too.

          • We Not They Finally

            Yes its all going to end very quickly.Obama and friends will all seek sanctuary deep underground…Not that it will make any difference.When the earths crust cracks no one will be safe.Obviously Greed has finally succeeded in destroying the earth.The USA will be in much worse shape than Japan.Nowhere to go nowhere to hide.Then it will go from continent to continent till nothing is left alive.We at least believe that intelligent life is all over our infinite Universes . That is except for Planet Earth.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        The worst has already happened and keeps happening, I suggest a free E-Book http://hatrickpenryunbound.com/?p=3683
        "Something Wicked This Way Comes: The story of Plume-Gate, the world’s largest, provable cover-up By Hatrick ‘Hattie’ Penry"
        I just read it and it opened my eyes. It includes Freedom of Information Act Documents that the World Leaders (Japan, USA and more) knew we were all being poisoned and kept the truth hidden and issued no warnings.
        This is a good video as well about the lies from the media.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWqIrL183S8

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          but if spent fuel pool 4 is already destroyed, how can people still work there, why arent global fallout readings higher? When I saw the explosions, I could hardly believe ANY pool could be intact. …health ranger a disinfo guy? I can believe Alex Jones is. Maybe were ALL disinfo mouthpieces

    • Lion76 Lion76

      I think (in my opinion) the worst case scenario is when the site becomes too radioactive for humans/robots to be near it/working and the other reactor buildings on site become a pile of hurt.

  • SS4U SS4U

    worse case scenario = uncontrollable fissioning super reactor underground which is either very near or has already reached aquifer or ocean.
    the spotlight is on the leaks but the real issue is the fissioning

    • Ourself Ourself

      Well, yes, but that's nothing new. I was thinking the worse-case scenario would be a hydro-volcano resulting from the underground corium.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      “It’s important to think of the worst-case scenario.”
      Worst-Case: Workers are driven away from FDNPP.
      Sky-Shine, fission, corium quakes, etc., etc.
      The Fukushima Worker Eevacuation could come from a number of sources.
      The Fukushima Worker Evacuation could come at any moment.

      What would happen then is the following:
      Leaks would continue without remediation.
      Pumps would quit injecting cooling water, one after another.
      Criticalities and emissions would increase without abatement.
      Nuclear fires would commence to burn in SFPs.
      Radiation would drive workers from Fukushima Daini NPP, and other nuclear power plants, which would begin to go critical, falling like dominos.
      Civilization on Earth, as we know it, would come to a fairly abrupt end, within one generation.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Hi Philip,

        They have been having several 4. quakes around there, I think this is the end game.

      • Sickputer

        I am hoping the domino theory for Japan's NPP's never comes to fruition. Many of the 54 reactors remain shuttered after 311, and hopefully if Daiichi does go rogue the idiots in Japan will immediately comnence the shutdown process at the handful of plants they restarted.

        As we well know, shutting down a nuclear power plant takes years, not the minutes we hear newscasters like Brian Williams describe: "The nuclear plant was shut down safely today after problems occurred."

        Nope, doesn't work like a light switch. Spent fuel rods are dangerous to humans for 10,000 years. How does that sound to the profit margin of our light companies guarding dangerous facilities for millennia? Electricity too cheap to meter was the rallying cry of the nuts in the 1950s who brought these demonic Pandora Boxes to so many world locations. They are extinction machines, make no doubt about it. It just takes one big one to alter the human race and bring countries into fiscal ruin. Japan's taint from Fukushima will soon permeate the globe. People will defer travel to Japan, boycott goods, and look upon anything coming from the country with suspicion.

        Radiation is mostly invisible so there will be a tendancy for other nuclear nations to try and save their financial infrastructure. The nuclear industry will become as reviled as Hitler. It's an apt comparison from my historical point of view.

        Worst case scenario? That they lied about levels of aerial releases as they have about water.

    • We Not They Finally

      SS4U: I’m going with you and “the real worst case is the fissioning.” Because it is a forever-catastrophe that likely cannot be mitigated at all. The rest is camouflage.

  • jec jec

    IT IS NOT JUST THE TANKS! ITs the entire area…cracked, leaking ..

  • Yukio_Tanukio

    Well, let's see …
    A "worst case scenario" is one thing to you, maybe something else to another person or group of people. Like, if we were talking about a war, one group's worst case might be losing the war, but another group might fear losing the associated contracts. Shucks, some groups and individual's worst case might be winning the war.
    Humanity can be sorted out into any number of categories and and sets, depending on the criteria you use. The more categories you're able to understand and perceive, the higher your consciousness level – Assuming the categories you're using are authentic and you put people into the right pigeon holes.
    Biggest problems I see now are that lots of folks have personal values and theories about what's true and real, and they reject certain categories because of conflicts with the assumptions they hold about what's real, what's true, and what's "acceptable" or "appropriate." You know the kind: "Yuh can't SAY that," which is a lot like "Yuh can't THINK that." Even well known people in our media have to walk a fine line when they're talking to the sheeple.
    Here's a category that's been rejected by whoever is in control of our media: "Reaction" (as in "Reactionary.")
    Most Americans never heard about the history of Liberalism in Europe – Before the American Revolution created our nation based on Liberal values. The "Reaction" in Europe was a reaction against Liberalism – Thus Reactionaries. Important concept,…

    • MichaelV MichaelV

      Right on..!

      The struggle for individual freedom has moved westward from the Old
      World into America; culminating in
      California (the left coast), silicone valley, Mark Zuckerberg's plan to make the Internet accessible to
      everyone such that more people will
      be able to cast their vote in more elections.

      Then we won't be told to not say
      or think things…

      Aaaahh, sweet freedom..!

    • We Not They Finally

      Yukio, it’s good to be philosophical and historical. But I think that the POINT of this is that “worst case scenario” means the end of the world on its way.

  • End of the Road

    I'm a long-time lurker here. ENEnews has been the first thing I read every morning for the last two years. I've learned a lot. Thank you.

    QUESTION: Why oh why are TPTB choosing to get the public riled up about Fuku NOW, when they've been well aware of the magnitude of the disaster since 3/11? Why NOW?

    I think it may be because they've decided to do something drastic about it and they want public acceptance of their plan. This is their typical MO.

    I'll let you use your imagination from here.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      eotr- I have been wondering the same thing….

    • Why now?

      It could be they want to do something drastic about it.

      or…

      I would also say that the MSM (ie… CNN, NBC etc…), have to mention something at this point, but along with it they spew disinformation at the same time.

      The news segments seem to go something like this:

      1. First they act surprised that there is an issue. "Oh my!"

      2. Then, they forget to mention that Japan/TEPCO have admittedly lied about this for a long time.
      (and that MSM has failed to report it.)

      3. Then we get idiotic statements like these:

      "It's a big ocean."
      "There is no concern."
      "It's a local event."
      "Dilution is the solution."

      All meant to DOWNPLAY this ongoing GLOBAL DNA destroying catastrophic EVENT.

      or…

      Maybe, they know it's going to go critical soon and we should just be thankful they bought us some time. At least they can say they did report something.

      I want to know why the EPA has not given a report about yesterdays high RadNet readings across the East Coast?
      (See the Radiation Monitoring Data Forum for more information.)

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        The World governments ALL KNEW the extreme nature of the Nuclear disaster at Fukushima, and they all chose to stay silent. They want us to keep buying houses and cars, and paying taxes, and in the meantime children are being born in Japan, and the West Coast of North America with illnesses and immune issues associated with radiation exposure. I am an optimist, but honestly, I have lost hope that any decision makers cares about the common human being, or the earth. Just think, Obama gave a speech about how great Nuclear Power is, and that we need to keep developing more Reactors. And this one expert, Arnie Gundersen, of fairewinds.org (that I stupidly donated money to) why is he still designing reactors, and why has he refrained from putting his face out there and telling the truth about Fukushima?

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          And what do we call these folks..?
          TPTB..not good enough.
          What does one call such creatures?

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            I don't know…but when I think of what has been perpetrated on Humanity and the Earth, I am bewildered, and without words to express my sorrow at it all.

            • We Not They Finally

              nbUSA, I wouldn’t really be dissing Arnie Gundersen. He’s made a HUGE swing around and I think he is doing his best.

              DENIAL is just a human phenomenon. But even he is starting to say “This can’t be fixed. It’s too late now.”

              I just think that he is HONEST. And he puts in enormous effort. I wouldn’t diss Gundersen.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        We have no free press…..

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Now is the time I ask the question, Obe… the Red Pill or the Blue Pill…

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            I have been trying to puke up that Red Pill now for years.

            Why can't I go back into the Matrix, I ask myself, and eat steak and then I realize that all my friends are actually named Bobby and all their children's children will also be named Bobby!

            These people/friends just do not realize it yet!

            Soon we will all be one.. with Bobby!

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              I understand your pain…I woke up choking on the Red Pill, then wondered what the heck I was thinking!

    • Songie Songie

      follow the money. nasdaq and nyse down. connection? hummm……

    • We Not They Finally

      Actually, End of the Road, I think they went into public panic a few weeks back because it suddenly DID get uncontrollably undeniably drastic!! I just kept wondering why it COINCIDED with the timing of that last earthquake, marked as “a strong 6,” but earthquakes get downgraded seismologically by (our own) USGS for PR reasons.

      I truly think that something way worse HAPPENED. SFP 4 went all tumbling down, or the earthquake got the coriums re-fissioning, or the like. I honestly think that something happened that changed this from “merely World War III” into a real Armageddon.

      • End of the Road

        I can't disagree that something worse happened. Agree completely. But that is motivation to keep it quiet and out of the media. If we are all about to die, we won't be learning about it from CNN.

        • We Not They Finally

          End of the road.What an appropriate name.Anyway it doent matter
          anymore. The zen saying is nama amidha butsu nothing matters nothing matters nothing matters at all..What now has to happen will happen.This is truly a hopeless situation…

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/foia/japan-foia-info/2011/

    Go here and read it for yourself…the meltdown started 3/2011 and the disaster has continued and is growing.

  • An evacuation of the site is the worst case scenario.

    If levels of radiation escalate, to the point that, human intervention were no longer applicable. All facilities on site would be left to their own apocalyptic demise.

    Every leak onsite leads to more complex steps in the units decommission.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I think it is impossible for them to "decommission" the site, and I predict it will be abandoned to crumble and emit radiation for centuries. Things are much worse that any news outlet has stated as there already has been grave issues in other reactors, and the world is really in trouble if the rumors about weapons grade plutonium being at this site are true.

      • Cerviche

        The FIRST nuclear reactors wernt used for to generate power….. the very first reactors were…

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

        Plutonium

        The second line of development pursued by the Manhattan Project used the fissile element plutonium. Although small amounts of plutonium exist in nature, the best way to obtain large quantities of the element is in a nuclear reactor, in which natural uranium is bombarded by neutrons. The uranium-238 is transmuted into uranium-239, which rapidly decays, first into neptunium-239 and then into plutonium-239.[160] Only a small amount of the uranium-238 will be transformed, so the plutonium must be chemically separated from the remaining uranium, from any initial impurities, and from fission products.[160]

        Where was nuclear power before The Manhattan Project?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power

        In the United States, where Fermi and Szilárd had both emigrated, this led to the creation of the first man-made reactor, known as Chicago Pile-1, which achieved criticality on December 2, 1942. This work became part of the Manhattan Project, which made enriched uranium and built large reactors to breed plutonium for use in the first nuclear weapons, which were used on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    • We Not They Finally

      No, Tacomagroove, it’s THE END OF THE WORLD that is “the worst case scenario.” We want to think that it is less, but it looks like that is where it may be heading.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This nuclear disaster is huge, and we're still getting no real information. Just BS. And on a daily basis. This has been the case since March 2011.

  • End of the Road

    chasAha – I don't believe the MSM "have to mention something at this point." The MSM only mention what they're allowed, or TOLD to mention. And as for spewing disinfo, they've been highly successful at that for the last two years, so why even mention Fuku at all?

    No, there's something unusual, and focused, about the sudden media attention.

  • Yukio_Tanukio

    I should be obvious that this wasn't an accident. The cover-up (news blackout) is evidence, and so is letting Japan twist in the wind without significant help. It's a crime.

    First step is to figure out who has the Motive, Means, and Opportunity.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      It is obvious that the reactors should never have been built on porous sedimentary rock and landfill. It is obvious that MOX shouldn't have been put in reactor #3 at Fukushima Daiichi. It is obvious that the nuclear power plant should have been decommissioned when the first safety checks were falsified. It is obvious that Japan or any country should never build any nuclear power plants, but especially in an earthquake prone country. It is obvious that reactor #4 should never been used at all as it had a crack when brand new. It is obvious that the nuclear industry is addicted to nuclear reactions and government subsidies and that they will always cut costs and experiment and never care about safety. It is obvious that the nuclear industry believes its own propaganda that radiation is beneficial, even though many nuclear scientists and medical doctors have proven over and over again that their no such thing as hormesis, and that low dose radiation is SUPRA LINEAR. It is obvious that the nuclear industry will never take responsibility financially or morally for its own deficiencies.

      All nuclear activities need to be stopped immediately forever. Stop playing the blame game. The nuclear industry is itself responsible for premeditated murder and genocide.

      • Cerviche

        Shudnt have existed to begin with lol, well im sure you share that sentiment, but to build a reactor on the east coast exposed to all forms of naturally occuring disasters, Typhoons, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, near a fault, near the sea, near a river, on land filled….. all of the facts that we already know, government approved, american design (GE) if im not mistaken, impractical design and the list continues, this was a disaster waiting to happen, its just that it did happen

      • Yukio_Tanukio

        Yes, anne – But, that's a separate topic from what I'm talking about.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Anne,
        This "is" progress! 🙂

    • We Not They Finally

      Yukio, this most certainly was/is A CRIME, but I think the extent of this really is SORT OF like “an accident.” Like an habitual heroin addict “accidentally” o-d’s. Those addicted to greed, money and power never thought it would kill THEM. Now I think they are genuinely panicked because they are realizing they are killing off the entire world INCLUDING them.

      • Yukio_Tanukio

        When I say it was a "crime" I mean specifically it was intentionally done. Motive, Means, Opportunity. If it's not right under your nose, you're looking in the wrong direction.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Japan isn't accepting help, from what I've read. Also the Russians have claimed responsibility, because they want a number of disputed islands for the rare earth metals. But their boasting may be just that.

  • End of the Road

    Y_T – sorry I don't follow your meaning. Motive, means and opportunity for WHAT? Causing an earthquake and tsunami?

    • Yukio_Tanukio

      That's right. Motive, Means, and Opportunity to commit the crime. Which part don't you get?

      I've been resisting the "conspiracy theory" problem since the disaster began – The wilder rants about HAARP, for example. But, as it turns out, there is a STUXNET virus which would render the control room operators helpless to take correct action in an emergency and according to our own government it has "gotten out." The US was using "earthquake" weapons in WWII – Long before they had nuclear weapons which are enormously more capable of creating earthquakes and tsunamis.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        The US had no motive to destroy the plant that was buiding for them nuclear weapons. There is plenty of evidence that the computers at Fukushima Daiichi were unable to use STUXNET, and the Japanese themselves have said that STUXNET wasn't involved.

        The earthquake itself broke the cooling pipes. This is easy to see as the plant was old, built on a river, over a fault, on porous sedimentary rock and landfill. And there are all the eyewitness accounts that the cooling pipes were broken before the tsunami.

        Also, it was the Japanese who had welded the vents so that they could not be opened when they were needed. The electricity was down when it was needed, and there were not enough generators. All the seawater then was very corrosive and was on the site because of the tsunami and when the sea water was used for cooling. Sea water destroys all the electrical connections.

        This is also why Fukushima Daini will never be started up again.

        No nuclear power plant should ever have been built anywhere on the face of the earth. Any country which builds a nuclear power plant in their country has planted a dirty bomb there. All nuclear power plants are continually venting radionuclides every day even under the best of circumstances. There is no way to handle nuclear waste.

        The powerful earthquake was right where Japan has dumped nuclear waste in the ocean in the past, and after 3/11.

  • This hypothetical idea might give us at least another year.

    Why don't they build 365 Olympic sized lead lined swimming pools up those hills to the west of them and then pump the radioactive contaminated water there.

    If that works, then just keep building more pools throughout Japan until the event is over and cooling water for the blown up reactors is no longer needed. (However long that is. ???? )

    But whatever they do, DO NOT DUMP it INTO my/our OCEAN and get those 'leaks' fixed NOW!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    End of the Road,
    You must use the force and all research techniques required to answer such a question. Many claim that this was not a natural event yet looking behind any curtain drawn takes your personal time and energy to evaluate such claims made and/or any sources.

    The entire world has been and is now the stage…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yukio…you are standing on the leading edge my friend.

  • Wynd Wynd

    Okay so we here Jap@n's screams….we resolve worst case scenarios….

    We have been told it is scientifically possible, other than our crytal ball method, to know where the coroums are and the specifics of potential and/or ongoing fission and/or pre-criticality events….

    So where the he££ is the FACTS….

    The media is addicted and fully saturated with it`s sound-byye fraud.
    Facts are their enemy.

    • We Not They Finally

      Wynd, you are assuming that is actually IS fixable. I would like to assume that too. But I think far more likely it is NOT fixable. Even then, everything that CAN be done SHOULD be done, so I’m all for that.

      I just have grave doubts that it’s fixable, partly because the coriums are “loose” down there and an aquifer is flowing through them. Simply locating the coriums is like locating the wind (sorry, that's your name — did NOT mean that as a pun!)then saying, if only we put some high-powered fans out there to force it in another direction.

  • weeman

    JNRA what a joke now it is a serious situation, are you going to tell me it was not a serious situation from the beginning, bunch of morons, give me a break.
    Why did you not have this attitude from the start, all the indications were there, you missed them, be serious.
    Let it be on your heads, you failed on your primary charter objectives, monitoring and fully responsible for contaminating your own kin and more, unbelievable.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The media now has millions of topics to pick and choose from to send over the news wires to keep all of us sheep constantly distracted.

    I am still hearing about larger than 16OZ sodas being sold in NY?

    If we were any dumber as a species, it would not seem so pathetic just how easily our minds are controlled and yet sadly it's very funny in a sick sort of way.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    But did you look at 21stC link to methane? Anne, Phillip? (Kez you better not see this)

    methane release will accelerate exponentially, release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere and lead to the demise of all life on earth before the middle of this century.
    http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2013/08/dramatic-rise-in-methane-levels-since-end-july-2013.html

    Now this could be an elaborate hoax thing. Funny that HAARP and chemtrails are touted as the solution. Makes entertaining reading though, and puts a different spin on Fukushima time tables. Oh PattieB, why didnt they LISTEN to you? (he says from inside his methane gas mask and Nibiru helmet)

    • Au Au

      Crikey! Did anyone ever read The Key by Whitley Strieber? In 1998 he was visited in his hotel room in Toronto by a "visitor" (looked very much human). This man or The Master of The Key "did not discuss crustal shift as a causative factor in sudden climate change, though. He took a very different approach, addressing it instead as an outcome of distortions in the atmosphere that lead over time to a breaking point, and sudden catastrophe….The next Ice Age will begin soon, and this will lead to the extinction of mankind, or to a massive reduction in population, given your ability to expand off the planet. This planet is at present a death trap." blah blah blah…polar ice melts…CO2 levels rise, causing warming. This melts permafrost which releases massive amouts of methane into the air…polar caps melt, messes up the Gulf Stream…dramatic shift. First extremely hot then into extreme cold in a short period of time. (Pages 18-21)

      Interesting book. He talked about nuclear and many pertinent things.

      I'm skert. Trying to be brave through.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    "Oh PattieB, why didnt they LISTEN to you?"

    Now we do not have enough human food for storage, eating and culling!

  • Mats

    Toxic link: the WHO and the IAEA

    A 50-year-old agreement with the IAEA has effectively gagged the WHO from telling the truth about the health risks of radiation

    > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/28/who-nuclear-power-chernobyl

    And who is the IAEA?

    All the countrys which wanted to have nuclear weapons.
    Nobody needs Uran to boil water, it´s only important to be nearer on to have atomic weapons.

    2 cents

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You appear to be correct Mats…

  • ftlt

    It was the worst case the day it all happened… Nothing has gotten worse since then… This is just that outcome of that horrible first day…

    How did it ever get rated back to a 1 on a scale of 7 rating system over the last couple years is the big ??????…

  • Yukio_Tanukio

    I keep thinking about what I said (and the distracting comments it engendered)- That we're dealing with a cover-up from the start, and that it's a crime that is being covered up. And I wrote somewhere about how "our" media accomplishes their scams using PCism and various methods (you can't SAY that, and you can't THINK that – As in "Ewww – You sound like a conspiracy theorist)… And then I remembered the idea of "Taboo," and how it has been a scam used by the ruling elite since before recorded history. Usually, the leaders brand something as taboo because rational inquiry into it would expose something threatening to the elite conspirators. And then, I remembered what I wrote about these scams and conspiracies being "right under your nose." Well, I guess it depends on having the brains to point your nose in the right direction too.

  • ftlt

    Mats: This has been posted on here many times before…

    It was a story during the fight over disparity in health figures around Chernobyl in the 90s and the 2000s..

    It is much the same as now is coming out about the USA's "policy" of genocide in Vietnam against civilians.. The USA archives are clearly showing this policy horror to have been institutionalized by the US Military by actions and cover up of leaks..

    It is important to point this out over and over as the scrubbed IAEA figures are used so often by the press and quoted as true on the FUFU storytale too…

    It is an actuarial bean counting game with health statistics that is being played in Japan even now.. The cause of dead or illness must officially read radiation exposure or it it not counted… No public records can include "radiation" in their reports and records… Convenient huh???.. A planned lie on a grand scale..

    It is a tribute to some of the Commies that they tried to get it right… While, we in the phony Free West lie to our peoples for profit

    Just like in Vietnam… Where all bodies were counted as hostile VC even if they innocent children, woman and the elderly… Products of a system where you were rewarded for bodies counts…

    The lies… The lies… And the so called free press is the organ that spews them them at us 24/7…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Don't let it bother you as the force is very powerful and a wise nose points in all directions…

  • Songie Songie

    ftlt and obe….

    can't see that any of it matters any more. the lies, the coverups, the "who knew what when".

    the planet and all its inhabitants need a miracle. and fast. god, gandalf, and/or the force…..calling them all in now…

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    “It’s important to think of the worst-case scenario,” he said.

    Be careful reading and absorbing utter cr*p such as the above statement: 1000s of Enenewsers, among many others, had no difficulty whatsoever 2 years ago thinking of the worst-case scenarios that could befall FDNPP.

    The real thinking to have been done was 29 months ago, on how to finance, engineer and construct an unprecedented, massive, Fuku containment and then decontamination, of this 2nd, unique, unplanned-for, nuclear meltdown, such as was thought out, financed, engineered and undertaken at Chernobyl, in that case, with the deadly tunneling and construction of a new lower level containment, the deadly removal of exposed contaminant pieces, and the deadly helicopter cover-up of other contaminants.

    I am continually amazed and disappointed at the lack of public and authoritative awareness of the immense and tragic disparity between the soon-to-be-successful Chernobyl effort and Novarka Arch completion, and the soon-to-prove disastrous, world-ELE-threatening, Fuku/U.S./nuclear-authority-promoted Tepco water-cooling charade and coverup.

    The ironic tragedy will be to see within 5 or less years the successful, massive, Chernobyl containment and decontamination effort – totally defeated by the probable world-threatening ELE contamination resulting from the negligence of Japanese-U.S.-corporate-and-nuclear authority cabal interests.

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    If anything proves that the masses believe in a higher power it is their refusal to accept the consequences of this disaster and potential Extinction Level Event. In the deep subconscious of most people it is believed that nothing bad could possibly happen because The Universe believes in Hollywood happy endings.

    In the collective mind of humanity "they will figure this out". Who is they? "The powers that be."

    Crickets chirping…

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Zar: Nice, you're right on, and there's a book on that (can't find the reference) on the universal and overwhelming personal need to believe in and feel dependently safe in the care of an imaginary god of your choice.

      But I hear the sounds of torches and pitchforks…

    • Songie Songie

      zardoz,

      if i said, "may the force be with you", would you similarly make assumptions as to the extent of my religiousity, or lack thereof?

      if i had simply called upon magic or luck or good fortune, would you have similarly dismissed me, who you know not– as one of the ignorant masses?

      i find it poor logic to dismiss the help of anything in this expansive universe about which you certainly cannot be an authority. i am no authority. and IF there is ANY bit of fair wind, of luck, of serendipity, of goodness, that can be invoked or gambled upon or had in this situation, then why not call it forth?

      indeed, why not? are you really that all-knowing? can you say for certain that luck never happens, that timely discovery never happens, that good positive energy indeed never happens? does it offend your sensibilities so extremely if i hope for a miracle? a miracle of technology? a miracle of discovery?

      i am not some sort of pollyanna who is blind about the apocalyptic nature of this possible ELE event. far from it. i have been preparing for it for a very long time.

      but perhaps getting along, with respect and courtesy, perhaps even compassion or love, may go a long way in the days and weeks and months and years ahead. this civilization may not go quickly and quietly into the night. we are going to need all the help, real or imagined, that we can get.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Jump-ball
    We obviously know each other from another place and time! 🙂

    "But I hear the sounds of torches and pitchforks…"

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    But soon..a satellite is to be sent up.
    And the Japanese authorities will be able to tell the people so much more.
    Aug 22 2013

    Tokyo – The authorities in Japan and Ukraine plan to realize a joint program to monitor the state of the environment and the reactors at the NPPs in Fukushima and Chornobyl using small satellites, the Japan's Nikkei newspaper reported on Thursday.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/npps-in-fukushima-and-chornobyl-to-be-tracked-from-space-328638.html