US Nuclear Officials: Fuel fragments were likely ejected from cladding at the 3 Fukushima reactors — Particles of fuel resemble highly radioactive ‘mystery black substance’ often seen in Japan since 3/11 (PHOTOS)

Published: December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm ET


Interview with energy and nuclear policy analyst Mycle Schneider, Dec. 9, 2013 (Emphasis Added): Record radiation levels have been detected at the Fukushima nuclear power plant […] Mycle Schneider, an independent analyst on energy and nuclear policy, talked in detail about the situation. […] the latest cases were an indication that “there are many places where there could be very high levels of radiation.” This case, according to Mr Scheider, also indicates that “other places might have received fractions of highly radioactive spent fuel pieces.” […] “it is obvious that we are facing the situation that is completely unprecedented, unprecedented in scope and unprecedented in complexity.” […]


NRC: NUREG-2121 “Fuel Fragmentation, Relocation, and Dispersal During the Loss-of-Coolant Accident”, Published March 2012: In light of recent results from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission loss-of-coolant accident (LOCA) research program […]  a comprehensive review of past research programs for observations related to the phenomena of fuel fragmentation, relocation, and dispersal [was conducted]. […] Fuel dispersal is the ejection of fuel fragments or particles through a rupture or opening in the cladding. […] Fuel fragmentation—that is, fracture of the fuel pellet into large fragments—appears to occur as soon as any meaningful amount of burnup is accumulated, as low as a few megawatt days per metric ton uranium. Fragmentation in irradiated fuel occurred in all but one case for which it was assessed. The only case in which it did not occur was in an unirradiated fuel rod. […] The review of existing data confirms that fragmentation appears to almost always occur, regardless of burnup and other variables […] Said in another way, the review of existing data confirms that fuel fragmentation and subsequent relocation are real physical phenomena expected under LOCA conditions. Therefore, given that these physical phenomena are expected and with the move to best-estimate methodologies, accounting for the impact of fuel relocation is appropriate. […]


NRC: Generic Issue Proposal — Fuel Dispersal During a LOCA, Oct. 7, 2011: Fuel particles can be expelled from ballooned and ruptured fuel rods during a LOCA. […] the phenomenon can occur well below the regulatory limits […] Potential damages include (but are not limited to) increased radiological activity levels in the coolant and containment, displaced heat load potentially causing flashing of coolant (particularly at pump inlets), erosion of pump components due to entrained fuel particles […] Fuel dispersal is expected to occur in almost every instance where a LOCA results in failed fuel rods […] Fuel dispersal occurred in the TMI-2 accident, and likely occurred in the Fukushima Dai-Ichi accident (based on indications of severe core damage). […] The phenomenon of fuel dispersal is important because of its potential consequences, described above, and because it is currently not taken into account in safety analyses. We believe that fuel dispersal could have a significant impact on debris load, as well as temperature of the coolant, during the reflood and recirculation phases of a LOCA. […]

Could this be why Tepco was required to report that “nuclear fuel material” was in the leaks from the tank farm:

Tepco on August 19, 2013 after a storage tank leaked 100s of tons of water with 80,000,000 Bq/L of strontium-90: “We determined that this incident corresponds to “a case when nuclear fuel material (not in the form of gas) or the like has leaked […] due to an unpredictable event […] per Article 18, item 12 of the regulations concerning the operational safety and the protection of specified nuclear fuel material” (A similar event was reported on October 3, 2013)

Also, the dispersed fuel resembles the mysterious black substance observed in the Tohoku and Kanto regions after the explosions.

Video of Boston Chemical Data’s principal investigator Marco Kaltofen discussing his findings after analyzing the mystery substance here: [intlink id=”japan-kids-swallowing-pieces-of-fukushima-fuel-rods-expert-mystery-black-substance-very-likely-contains-concentrated-unburned-nuclear-fuel-video” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

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Published: December 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm ET


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201 comments to US Nuclear Officials: Fuel fragments were likely ejected from cladding at the 3 Fukushima reactors — Particles of fuel resemble highly radioactive ‘mystery black substance’ often seen in Japan since 3/11 (PHOTOS)

  • Nukites

    Welp, there you have it folks.

    • Gasser Gasser

      Moody Blues: Questions


      Why do we never get an answer

      When we're knocking at TEPCO's?

      With a thousand million questions

      About radiation and deaths score.

      It's where we stop and look around us

      There is nothing that we need.

      In a world of persecution

      That is burning in it's greed.

      Why do we never get an answer

      When we're knocking at the NRC's door?

      Because the truth is hard to swallow

      That's what the wall of lie's is for.

      It's not the way enewes say's it

      When they blog those thoughts to me.

      It's more the way that they logically fact it

      When you post what will be.

      And when you stop and think about it

      You won't believe it's true.

      That all the electricity you've been receiving

      Has all been meant a slow death for you.

      I'm looking for someone to stop radioactive life.

      I'm looking for a miracle for everyone's life.

      And if you could see what it's done to me

      To lose the the life I knew

      Truth could have safely lead me through.

      [Con't ]

      • Gasser Gasser


        Between the silence of the mountains

        And the crashing of the Cesium sea

        There lies a land I once lived in
And she's waisting before me.

        But in the Gamma rye of the morning

        My mind becomes confused
Between the dead and the sleeping

        And that 10 Severt road I must choose.

        I'm looking for an ANTI~Nuke spray can to save my life.
I'm looking for more than a miracle in my life.
And if you could see what it's done to stupid me

        To lose the the morals I knew

Could safely lead me to

        The land that I once knew.

        To learn as we grow old

        The Devil's secrets that were sold.

        It's not the way TEPCO say's it
When they did those things to us.
It's more the way they really know it

        When they lie to what will be.

        Why do we never get an answer

        When we're knocking at TEPCO's door?

        With a thousand million questions
About hate and death and war.

        It's where we stop and look around us

        There is nothing that we need.
In a world of persecution

        That is burning in it's greed.

        Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the NRC's door?

        ~Gasser Classic~

    • Gradius

      Is the End,
      and TEPCO
      doesn't even care.

      Is the End of
      all living thing
      on this Planet

      And TEPCO doesn't
      even care…

  • Bones Bones

    I was wondering if any resident experts could explain how or if this could affect the removal of the spent fuel rods. Thanks in advance.

    • Nukites

      I think this confirms that there has been a massive amount of damage to the spent fuel, meaning removal has already happened in the form of large fires or explosions. So I think there's probably not anything left to remove, or some fractional amount remains, but is probably too damaged to actually be removed.

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Nukites, this is not an attack on you, personally.

        All of the spent fuel at the site is under water, and under control.
        The spent fuel is coming out of Unit 4 SFP.
        More will come out of SFP1-3 in the coming years.

        The spent fuel is NOT the issue here.
        In due time, all spent fuel at FCNPP will be removed, and will end up in dry cask storage, as planned.
        This includes spilled fuel pellets, that will be picked up and put into transfer casks, one-by-one if necessary.
        The real issue at FDNPP is that all the people of central Japan have been, already, killed by fallout.
        If any still are alive, it is only because cancers and mutations take half a generation to manifest.
        (Far less for the children, who are already sick.)
        And the rest of Japan will be killed off by incineration, and by the stupid "Support By Eating" campaign.

        But the removal of spent fuel from SFP4 is occuring. And no problems have thus far been reported, although we all expect that there will be some problems as the process proceeds.

        Emptying the SFPs is the only task that TEPCO seems able to accomplish during the first decade of the "Decommissioning".
        This is because TEPCO has utterly failed to stem the flow of highly contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean.
        This is because TEPCO has utterly failed to locate and map the missing 257 tonnes of molten nuclear fuel from Units 1,2,&3.
        This is because Reactor Buildings 1-3 are too radioactive for workers to even enter.

        • We Not They Finally

          Unclear here how ANYTHING can be removed from reactors 1-3 as high radiation prevents anyone from getting near. Robots? Apparently they are not even yet on line.

          No, not calling you "too optimistic." Obviously you see that Japan is already toast. I just don't get how they will be able to remove anything from reactors 1-3. If the spent fuel is even still there. They keep saying that nothing/no-one can get close enough to check.

          • We Not They Finally

            Well, you did say that reactors 1-3 are too hot to enter. Just thinking that maybe that will NEVER change and meanwhile, Japan is bye-bye anyway.

        • Nukites

          I understand. I just thought it was likely that SFP's had also suffered damage/fire/release of inventories as well, being that there is no containment on the pools. I don't know how fires burning multiple times over multiple days could leave much hope that the same cladding damage wouldn't be found there as well. I don't suspect there's much left that is removable in any of the pools, but maybe one day we'll find out.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          And every time Tepco removes another group of spent fuel assemblies, a large amount of radiation (plume) is apparently released. Am basing that on watching the jet stream and how the CPM counts go up over the United States, beginning about 30 – 36 hours after one of these operations. Say, three to five days afterward, the CPM counts go up in North America. Supposedly the jet stream can bring the particles here in one day or less.

          Several others have commented on this recently. I noticed the counts were up again, significantly, beginning yesterday. Today, the CPM counts in California are substantially elevated, nearly doubled from the levels NETC showed three days ago.

    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      Bones :: I don't think that it'll affect the removal of the fuel rods at all, if anything, it'll make it easier…

      Easier to fuck it up, which is probably what they'll do anyway.

    • SteveMT

      TEPCO: Well, that's 3 less fuel assembles we have to remove. Only 1,497 more to go.

      This is the mentally that the world has been dealing with for the last three years. At this rate, not much longer.

      • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

        But…but…the pretty talking head person on television mentioned that they all wish TEPCO "smooth sailing" in the "fixing up" of the Daiichi plant!

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Someone here said another 22 assemblies were reported to have been successfully moved from the #4 SFP. Recently.

        • vicky13 vicky13

          yeah was me HoTaters,,,

          From Simply Info,,


          TEPCO has moved another load of spent fuel from unit 4 to the common pool. After the initial fuel transfers TEPCO ceased reporting each fuel move and now only updates the plant update page. The new load was announced December 9, 2013.


          • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

            That "common pool"…just how safe is that, btw? I mean, sure, it's not suspended a few stories up in a listing, damaged building, but is it otherwise secure? Is that to be the fuel's final resting place? It's almost like Fukushima was the pulling back to reveal the man behind the curtain when it comes to spent fuel storage…

  • lam335 lam335

    "… fuel fragmentation and subsequent relocation …"

    "Relocation" is quite a neat euphemism for spewing plutonium all over a country, its people, and the rest of the hemisphere (for starters).

  • KidIcarus KidIcarus

    I don't understand the mechanism and range of "relocation". Was it aerosolized? How far did it get? Dear Lord….

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    HEAR THIS nuclear industry engineer-apologists:
    "fuel fragmentation and subsequent relocation are real physical phenomena expected under LOCA conditions."

    Let me repeat that (for effect):
    "fuel fragmentation and subsequent relocation are real physical phenomena expected under LOCA conditions."

    Please allow me to repeat that once more (because you have rejected our premise so strongly in the past):
    "fuel fragmentation and subsequent relocation are real physical phenomena expected under LOCA conditions."

    My take is this:
    The majority of 257 tonnes of molten nuclear fuel has migrated into the ground under FDNPP Units1,2,&3.
    This molten fuel crusts on the outside, where it is in contact with groundwater.
    Criticalities constantly occur, resulting in a heavy black smoke, which exits up the corium lava tubes and vents out of the ground and out of the plant ruins. (Many thanks to ENEnews night watchers who post here daily). 🙂
    This smoke consists of the burn products of molten nuclear fuel, and becomes airborne.
    The fallout from this Nuclear Fuel Soot coats every surface downwind: land or water.
    On land, this Nuclear Fuel Soot settles, for example on roadways, where it becomes the famous "Black Substance" that tests so highly radioactive in citizen Geiger counter tests everywhere.
    On water, this Nuclear Fuel Soot settles, mixes with fresh groundwater flowing past the molten nuclear fuel crust, becomes highly contaminated, and is killing the Pacific Ocean.

    • KidIcarus KidIcarus

      Thanks Philip. Your insights are appreciated….. And horrifying. So the fuel dispersal is ongoing?

      • norbu norbu

        Forever…..the gift that keeps on giving…..

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        You bet your ass that the "fuel dispersal" is ongoing, Kidlcarus! 😉
        Molten nuclear fuel melts the surrounding mudrock, turning it into glass.
        The glass will decompose over the next 50 or so years to become soot.
        (This is what is happening at Chernobyl.)
        The molten nuclear fuel crusts, where it is cooled by flowing groundwater, and sparks.
        The crust sparks with criticalities.
        The criticalities cause smokey soot in the air, and highly contaminated groundwater, which flows right into the ocean.
        Fuel dispersal is ongoing.
        690 PBq, the entire fuel load of FDNPP1-3, is being dispersed over the land, and into the sea.
        We are very clearly up shit creek.
        Do you have a paddle, Kidlcarus?
        Neither do I.

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Everybody believes that the aserolized nuclear fuel from the Fukushima Explosions produced some fallout, then went away.
          But, no. The aersolized fallout circles the globe, over and over, passing overhead every 40 days.
          Adding more and more fallout over your head, and onto your land, on every pass.
          Everybody thinks that the aerosolized fallout falls onto the ground, causes some harm for a few days, then goes away.
          The fallout is radioactive today, and when more fallout is deposited in 40 days, accumulates to become even more radioactive tomorrow. Some of the nuclides from Fukushima will last for hundreds of thousands of years. This shit is never going to go away! At least, not in OUR lifetime.

          • Speedy

            And "background level" grows and acceptable % levels grows…….

          • We Not They Finally

            PUN, keep educating! If the radioactivity doesn't get us, our own misconceptions will. And glad you brought up "ongoing criticalities." Of the scores of articles, interviews and youtubes reviewed on this website, that almost never comes up. I guess that none of the "experts" want to just outright say that this is like ongoing nuclear bombs that never seem to stop.

            Thanks for your expertise!

          • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

            PhillipUpNorth, I really appreciate you spelling it out for us lay people. The 40 day global cycle schedule of radioactive isotopes is very valuable info.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            PUN, the "cloud" passing over us every 40 days probably passes over us continuously. That is (as I'm sure you're aware) because the plumes coming from the plant never stopped. During 2011 and 2012, there were massive releases, over long periods of time. I'd venture to guess we're under some part or other of the giant nuke cloud continuously, 24/7, 365.25 days per year.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Not only do we have the Fuky cloud passing continuously overhead, but also all the stuff put up during atmospheric testing, "routine" venting of reactors, radioactive contamination of water, etc.

              Think of all those trillions of gallons of water cooling nuclear fuel entering lakes, rivers, oceans. Then some of that water (and the contamination) is borne up into the clouds, and comes back down on our heads as precipitation.

        • Ah, but at Fukushima the word is "Fuel Disposal" instead of "Fuel Dispersal." What better way to get rid of it? §;o(

  • mesa777

    Well isn't this lovely!! Now I get to worry about this "stuff" being on the foods that I eat. I tell you folks, we have an ELE situation on our hands! Thanks TEPCO for storing thousands of spent fuel rods at your plant!!!! Thanks to GE for building on a earthquake fault line!!!! And thanks to the Japanese government for approving the buildling of this facility!!!!

  • sangell

    So this explains that 25 Sievert/hour stuff in the vent stack. I had pondered how fuel could be expelled out of a reactor full of superheated steam. A blob of molten fuel at the bottom of the reactor would have a long way to travel to exit the reactor pressure relief piping and would likely be to heavy to be sucked out but small fragments of fuel certainly could be sucked by a Venturi effect when the valve opened and get all over the inside of that vent stack.

    • Go Flying

      It wasn't 'sucked out' – it was blown out by the huge overpressure in the RPV's when they were vented.

  • wa6smn wa6smn

    How far did it get? Recent reports claim plutonium from Fukushima in New Mexico.

  • Nick


    Plutonium went everywhere. But don't expect authorities to report their findings.

    When I saw Units 1 and 3 blow, I knew that calling them hydrogen explosions was somewhat misleading.

    The nuclear cabal has been hard at work keeping us in the dark.

    Mysterious black substance. Not a good thing for DNA.

    Welcome to purgatory everyone, for this is a hell of a way for our world to "end."

    GE……..Global Extinction.

    • We Not They Finally

      The "mystery black substance" is apparently fungal. Fungus LIKES radioactivity. It absorbs it. One reason to stay away from mushrooms across the board.

      • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

        Hey WNTF – I'll show you some of that black muck that has settled. Just look at the gas station lot that has the blue tarp over tha gas tanks on Tomioka cam. Between the gas pump and the sidewalk where the weeds sprout up, there is a large area that always is the last place to drain dry after rains. On the sidewalk and in the gas station parking lot are large black stains that keep growing bigger and bigger. Bet their geigers would go nuts if you put one down there in that bug black spot area.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Nick, Nedli would appreciate your "GE" comment.

  • name999 name999

    I went to the Oregon coast shortly after the Tsunami. The waves were very big and lots of them. I noticed what looked almost like smoke, or black dust that would erupt right when the waves would crest. I thought it might be just something about the light and the water. But it didn't seem like that, it seemed like something light in weight that was black and floating on top of the water would get thrown higher than the water and then fall down with the waves. On another beach, a favorite of mine, there were piles of seaweed all over it, that had rolled in with the tide…like it all was pulled up at once. I have spent lots of time on the Pacific Ocean that has now been murdered. Coldblooded killing, no reason for it. Hard to believe…hard to imagine the future of this earth with dead oceans…deep grief…

    • Homolumina Homolumina

      I am grieving with you name999 – it is beyond words what we are helplessly witnessing… sending you a heartfelt hug

    • Ontological Ontological

      @name999 Thanks for adding this info. Sad yes I agree, my family has a condo up in Lincoln Beach, was so very nice up there before the trash wave. Interesting you noted the blackness floating. The videos of the tsunami coming in in many places had black stuff in the water so much of it, the water bas black. I have read from underground sources the wave was caused by a "clamshell" nuke. If that is the case, then this may be where this black stuff possibly came from. Or perhaps one of the sources. Either way R3 detonation was a Mox dust devil from hell! I am sure this was the dirtiest of dirty nuclear explosions! I have noted wherever the black stuff is found, death and disease soon come and a news blackout soon after. There is blackness getting all over the stucco houses/buildings more comes from each time it rains. I am sure it was some of this stuff that gave me such a fast case of Skull cancer out of the blue in early May of 2011 after the explosion. I had gone out one fine spring day on the Mojave desert in the wind for a power walk around the medical center, whilst awaiting my wife visiting a doctor. only to come home and find out the count was almost 500 cpm here that day! This was before they took the RAD site offline here. Last January they did the surgery and told me it had advanced to stage 3+ before bone removal/replacement. I know the JP people are suffering bad, and no one will help them or even acknowledge them as being sick!

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      There likely can be no future on earth without healthy life in the oceans. At least not for organisms relying on oxygen as a big part of their respiratory function.

  • mesa777

    Yea really… GE "We bring good things to life"… lol, you mean to an end!!!! (G) lobal (E) xtinction

  • razzz razzz

    I take it this is just confirmation of what went on during the meltdown stages. Loss of power to the reactor is one thing but it gets serious during loss of coolant as the core begins heating up.

    Now they are taking us through the various stages of what happens as a core heats up, fuel pellets begin breaking down by cracking then turning into fine dust as heat increases without any cooling. Cladding cracks or burns away releasing its contents. Who knew?

    That almost seems expected and no surprise in a melting reactor core. Hydrogen explosion or even venting blows out some of the ceramic (clay) fuel pellets that are in various stages i.e. cracked, separated pieces, fine particles, then an aerosol (atomized) stage (even clay has a vapor point). Not sure what they expected to find different from a melted core esp. one that blows up.

    The only thing new here seems to be reference to fuel rods in the fuel pools and if temperatures had risen enough to cause the pellets to begin breaking down. Might account for brownish clouds floating out from the bottom of recently removed spent fuel bundles. Cladding was cracked or broken and leaking powder than use to be solid pellets?

    Radioactive material suspected to be fuel pellet particles captured in the holding tanks, not a big leap in thinking. Neither are the melts eroding to the open ocean.

    What happened to 4's fuel removal operation? Sudden realization of the actual condition of the fuel rods?

    • m a x l i

      Why are you mentioning "clay"?

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “…Nuclear reactors are powered by fuel containing fissile material. The fission process releases large amounts of useful energy and for this reason the fissioning components – U-235 and/or Pu- 239 – must be held in a robust physical form capable of enduring high operating temperatures and an intense radiation environment. Fuel structures need to maintain their shape and integrity over a period of several years within the reactor core, thereby preventing the leakage of fission products into the reactor coolant.
        “The standard fuel form comprises a column of ceramic pellets of uranium oxide, clad and sealed into zirconium alloy tubes. For light water reactor (LWR) fuel, the uranium is enriched to various levels up to about 4.8% U-235. Pressurised heavy water reactor (PHWR) fuel is usually unenriched natural uranium (0.7% U-235), although slightly-enriched uranium is also used.
        “The fabrication of fuel structures – called assemblies or bundles – is the last stage of the front end of the nuclear cycle shown in Figure 1. The process for uranium-plutonium mixed oxide (MOX) fuel fabrication is essentially the same – notwithstanding some specific features associated with handling the plutonium component….”

      • razzz razzz

        That is what fuel pellets are mostly made out of. Simply, they take some mud, add some uranium powder (or maybe some plutonium too), mix it, shape it into pellets, then fire it until hard (ceramic), then stick the pellets inside rods.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      This is really creepy. I have noticed a LOT of brown looking clouds floating around at low altitude since 3/11. All by themselves, sometimes along with other somewhat "natural" looking cloud formations.

      Some of us here have discussed this at the Forum in the context of wondering why the fog and clouds have a brownish or pinkish tinge to them.

      I have to wonder if that aerosolized stuff is floating around all over the place.

      The skies have not looked at all normal to me since 3/11. It is NOT normal to have brown fog. Not at all.

      There is also brown fog found in areas, now, where there is usually no fog at all. Like in the middle of the Central Valley, in the summer, in the day time.

      • norbu norbu

        Fresno perhaps? Yes

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Hi Norbu, I'm not near Fresno, but have had recent conversations with people in Sonoma and Napa Counties who have seen a lot of the brown clouds and fog. I've seen them a lot around Napa, in Fairfield, and even out near Woodland and Sacramento, in the Central Valley.

          It's pretty bizarro when you're driving out in the Central Valley on a warm August morning, and see isolated fog banks (brown ones) drifting around by themselves. Not even hugging close to hills, as fog often does. The fog sometimes has a very dark gray, almost black appearance, too. And it hangs around long after it should have burned off.

          Have lived around fog most of my life, and what I've been seeing since 2011 is just ABNORMAL.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Oh, it's getting late. I meant I've seen a lot of the brown clouds and fog all over between Sonoma County (pretty far inland), and in Napa Counties. And in the Central Valley. My counterparts in Sonoma and Napa counties have told me they have seen the same thing, and have thought it was very odd.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Norbu, have you seen this in Fresno, too?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        The comment "somewhat 'natural' looking cloud formations" is predicated on my belief since the great global global warming atmospheric testing began (i.e., "chemclouds") there are no longer any "normal" weather patterns.

        If in doubt, check the DARPA white papers on ionization of the atmosphere, and the U.S. Air Force document entitled, "Owning the Weather in 2025."

        Just so you don't think I'm making this weather modification stuff up.

      • razzz razzz

        Natural (stable) strontium is used in fireworks to produce deep reddish colors.

        I always thought when watching video of Unit 3 blowing up, the mushroom cloud was a very odd color, sort of dark reddish brown. Can't believe that much Strontium 90 could be released or even if that was the cause of the colored clouds.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Someone here said Cesium clouds are pink in color, under certain conditions. I think even Plutonium can appear reddish, under certain conditions, and in a particular temperature range. Maybe someone can confirm that last thing about Plutonium?

  • Nick

    How many folks thought that this stuff was "mold" or cyanobacteria?

    Until dust do us part.

    Isn't neat to realize the future we once thought we had is gone?

    All doubting is now in doubt.

    2020 Olympics in Tokyo. Talk about a con!

    • Usefulbreather

      I have been reading this is cyanobacteria that feeds off the radionuclides since it first started appearing. Now it is fuel cladding that pulverized and is accumulating in the streets and gutters?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Maybe both, Nick? Cyanobacteria and black dust? The cyanobacteria appears to be feeding on the black dust.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Whoever authorized the first nuclear plants sealed our fate.

    • mesa777

      As they always say payback is a b@@@@h!!! I am sure someone in a Japanese grave somewhere is laughing like hell!! First we bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we then give Japan our US technology and ALLOW them to operate a nuclear power plant, GE helps build a nuclear power plant on an ancient river bed ON a earthquake fault line and coastal area and now as of 03-11-11 all of these radiation effects are coming our way, payback for what we did to the Japanese I guess, even though it was 100% warranted to end WWII…. I need to buy an old missile silo and never come out!!

    • We Not They Finally

      Apparently, the U.S. also brought over a lot of Nazi scientists at the end of WWII in "Project Paper Clip." (Joseph P. Farrell is one of the most interesting researchers for that.) Then The Cold War gave the big "excuse" for saying "Atoms for Peace," when really the NPP's have always been the handmaidens of the weapons industry.

      By now, of course, it's a massive international cabal. With their new "excuse" being lies about what causes climate change. Radioactivity rips the ozone layer apart, causes acidification of the oceans, genetic damage which screws the balance of nature, etc., etc. It makes carbon look like a little squeaking mouse. Besides, there are TONS of dangerous pollutants mixed in with the Co2 going up into the air. UNREGULATED chemicals.

      Co2 just makes the flowers grow, which in turns gives off oxygen for US (duh.)

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        WNTF, very funny, and so true.

        "Co2 just makes the flowers grow, which in turns gives off oxygen for US (duh.)"

  • razzz razzz

    Mold or fungus has been reported growing in fuel pools as it has the ability to use decay energy to grow itself or maybe just needs the heat being released. Why not growing on fuel particles laying around in some incidents. A little bit of everything ever imagined is being found.

  • Nick

    Today, while I realize Fukushima has FUBAR'd things, I have a glimmer of hope that
    enough folks are actually starting to grasp the scale of this disaster.

    I have a hunch that California is waking up from it's slumber.

    Our DNA is going to have a rough ride, but at least I can try and fall asleep tonight knowing
    that a few more souls are informed.

    Thanks to the admins of this site.

  • robz

    yeas tht what yu see or saw WAS for reail: plese please respect me: somethimemes i get a LITTTLE bit awfool but ithk : #I WAS ALWAYS SO

    no problem : butt wht we saw is ::::OUR DEATH &myne

    see whats happen :you cant belive ….it

  • robz

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  • weeman

    Tell me if the picture in my head is realistic.
    Three reactors have a LOCA, fuel heats up, flaws and cracks in fuel rods allow fuel fragments to escape and become in suspension. Pressure rises in reactor and lid losses it's seal and allows realease, radioactivity level keep rising untill criticality or hydrogen explosion, disperses directly into atmosphere and environment and continues to this day?
    I am beginning to wish the corium is miles into the ground, rather than this senario, may explain why we did not see steam explosion when corium hit ground water, there was not enough of a fuel load left in reactor, to have enough energy to melt through.
    What is easier to saturate with radioactive contamination the atmosphere, environment or the ocean, not that it really matters the only variable is time.

    • razzz razzz

      Yeah weeman, that's about right. In desperation, to try and prevent the hot and getting hotter melt through(s) they added back missing coolant (seawater in this case). Did seawater cool the melts enough to stop any melt through? They claim not to know yet. Did seawater allow more hydrogen production leading to explosions? Hard to avoid, but it was a trade off to stop the super hot melts. Did seawater moderate neutrons and cause more fission? Without a doubt. How much more fission? They are not saying. Are the concrete foundation cracked and damage? They sure leak a lot. Was the fallout avoidable? No, when you can't keep your fuel cool enough, into the environment it goes.

      • weeman

        Correct me if I am wrong, but did it not take them many days to quench with sea water, the melt through would have most likely already occurred and or fuel was as they say fragmented and in environment already.

        • razzz razzz

          If the Great Quake cracked the foundations then groundwater was leaking into the basements and waiting for the melts. Enough water to create steam and hydrogen while waiting for those seawater injections. If any part of the melts were around 7,000F degrees then those hot spots were completely vaporizing.

          Unit 2's building didn't explode and most of the melt escaped through a blown access hatch on the side of the pedestal and spread out onto the concrete floor there, TEPCO found that and admitted to it.

          Other Units, what didn't get blasted away, if the melt acts like lava then it spreads unevenly or parts remain behind in the containment/reactor vessel and still have to be cooled or at least shielded with water if possible. If possible, because the containments can't hold water and whatever parts of the melts that are left behind need to get at least a shower of cooling water (kinda like spent fuel now).

          If you are waiting to hear how much of the melts are still onsite and how much left the buildings in various forms, I don't think they are going to say anytime soon even if they knew.

    • End of the Road

      I agree weeman, I think we can quit asking "where's the corium?" It is everywhere.

      I didn't know that "fuel dispersal" was a possibility in a nuke accident like this. I thought fuel gets hot, melts through RPV, starts melting concrete floor, etc etc.

      So tell me, why are we still flooding the containments with water? Is there enough fuel left in them, in one spot, to worry about recriticality?

      • We Not They Finally

        That's an interesting question, about "still flooding the containments with water." Because other accounts say that the in-flooding of groundwater is un-stoppable. So we are not even clear that ANYTHING happening there is "by choice." All the explanations seem to be after-the-fact at best.

      • weeman

        We should be asking where is the corium and how much corium is remaining in reactors.

  • robz

    but austria cannot handle wth atomi c causo they DONT HAVE SOMETHING

    LIKE THAT YOU KNOW MO=TH*ER FUCKE*Ü**e …… . yes i#m always soooo….. .

  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    "because it is currently not taken into account in safety analyses. We believe that fuel dispersal could have a significant impact on debris load, as well as temperature of the coolant, during the reflood and recirculation phases of a LOCA.."

    This should be interpreted as another reason Nuke for power should be abolished. …and all reactors shut immediately.

    I would suspect if we "took this into account" more reactors would have problems getting re licensed. Moreover, this should be utilized for a reconsideration of spending 80% of the DOE budget on such a damn waste of money.

    Scientists no longer offer me any reassurance as it takes way too long for them to reveal pertinent information.

    This industry should be euthanized. ASAP

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    It's madness… shear madness.

    Rice grown near crippled Fukushima nuclear plant served to govt officials
    Dec 10 2013

    "Over half a ton (540 kilograms) of rice will be part of a test to prove the effectiveness of the decontamination process. Officials from the Fukushima prefecture have given assurances that the rice contains no radioactive substances.

    The rice balls tasted especially good after the great effort put into cultivating the crop, said Senior Vice Environment Minister Shinji Inoue on Monday. Parliamentary Vice Environment Minister Tomoko Ukishima also joined the tasting.

    "A farmer from Kawamata Town told NHK that he will continue to cultivate the rice now that he knows it tastes good. Because the zone was evacuated after the nuclear crisis, he said that he had traveled from his temporary home to the paddy fields to tend the crops."

    The government says its been decontaminated..but the real test whether it not it TASTED GOOD!!!!

    Guhhhhh….inhaling.. exhale..hissing..
    As it's said..figuratively and literally..I'm off to tend the horses.

    • We Not They Finally

      I guess that no one can stop these people from committing suicide by choice. But homicide, genocide, omnicide — that should be off limits, but it isn't.

    • m a x l i

      "The rice balls tasted especially good…"

      Well why doesn't the thought make my mouth water, but rather my eyes?

  • We Not They Finally

    The big break-through now is that they are talking about "fuel fragments"? Do these people not even have the words "coriums" or "melt-throughs" in their vocabulary? Or does hundred-ton blobs completely out of containment, just not fit in with the "fragments" agenda?

    • @ We Not They Finally
      December 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm
      Brilliant. This is called lack of concentration- from coriums to fragments.
      But nevertheless what a dangerous fragment to talk about.
      Pick up all the pieces including the coriums and make a factual account.
      In the meanwhile respecting the precautionary principle please shut down nukes fully-all the nuclear fuel cycles.
      It will be very useful information for all to know how our genes deteriorate with time, even transgenerationally.
      And in the meanwhile again quietly(but very destructively) modern civilization is continuously weakening all the infrastructure, and even the climate.
      How blissfully they are going about business as usual, nukes, and all.

  • American Phoenix57

    Japan is roughly the size of Montana. Imagine 54 NPP's in Montana! A bunch of greedy idiots are ruining that country! Wake up Japan or it's sayonara!

    • m a x l i

      There are a few more countries that need to wake up. You don't need 54 nuclear reactors to ruin a country. One will do.

      At least for now, no nuclear reactor is running in Japan – which has partly to do with opposition of the local population. Maybe they are one step ahead in waking up while the rest of the world is still sleep-walking?

  • Shaker1

    I can't say I'm surprised, but don't link that lack of surprise to any sort of peace with the subject. Watching 3's explosion I made such assumption. Personally, I believed that the 'explosions' were in some percentage or another steam explosions. One should deeply respect their power and ability for destruction. I once had a book to assist me in interpreting ASME codes as I was constructing pressure vessels. The first page of the book was a picture of a shoe factory in St. Louis in the early 20th century. I found that odd, until I turned the page to be confronted with picture of the same location after its boiler blew. It leveled a square block, and blew items weighing tons outside of the area. Particulate matter is a given, and I imagine just shock waves would pulverize materials.

    When one thinks about the corium, it's obvious that what is there is complex chemcially. Remember, too, zirconium is highly reactive at temperatures lower than its melt temperature (it is welded, manufactured into billet in inert atmospheres) not just with oxygen and all of those compounds would embrittle the material. So even if the material had held its shape to a certain point, the shock of explosions would have spilled their contents. Ceramics themselves are notoriously brittle. One doesn't have to have much imagination to visualize more than just gas burping out of 3's vessel. What we saw wasn't just concrete dust.

  • Shaker1

    When the reposts began to come in of the 'black dust', despite the talk of mold or some form of bacteria, who couldn't assume that there wasn't some manner of material involved there? In either case (mold or bacteria) there seems to have had to have been some physical component from which they found their source of energy.

  • Socrates

    It all kind of heated up, melted and blew into the atmosphere in an aerosolized form which was picked up by the jet stream and imported into our lungs. The particles are small enough to get down into the aveoli where particle will continuously emit alpha radiation against the tissues. A macrophage might engulf and carry the particle to another vital organ. The body releases its heaviest weapon, in essence – a peroxide-related compound -that burns the surrounding tissues causing scarring and fibrosis.

    Lots of free radicals are released by alpha emitters such as fuel fleas, as the pro-nukes affectionately call aerosolized hot particles from melted down reactors.

    West Coast dwellers were inhaling an average of several such particles every day, at least for a while, and probably still are. Dust recirculates with Pu lasting a very long time.

    If the pixie dust went up, what goes up must come down.

    The pro-NUKERS gladly took these risks to make a buck. Einstein warned them but they all consider themselves geniuses. We all know the type.

  • Sol Man

    Yoichi Shimatsu – Hong Kong Aug 26 2013 {interview}

    Shimatsu speaking….
    I'm in Hong Kong just got back from Malaysia
    Japan is involved in exported Nuclear Power Plants
    Japan wants to become more involved in regional conflicts
    That's just what south asia needs in more nuclear power and conflicts
    i think right now it's one of the few pockets in the world that's fairly safe from radiation. they want to kill themselves.
    anyway this is a zone where a lot of japanese business's and people are moving to for safety reasons

    fukushima built on a bluff about 40 ft above the sea, it's all like sandstone composite gravel and sand that's just sort of
    geologically stuck together its not very hard and it does crumble and oatmeal is a wonderful descriptiong of it…
    when it does get wet it doesn't only get soft and mushy but that composite begins to break down..the acids in the water tend
    to break it down and it is crumbling now and a lot like handford, no it's actually worse than hanford, the ground under the water
    storage tank where they put the water out of the reactors …those tanks are so closely crowded together that the ground
    under those is collapsing now and the tanks are tilting in to one another , and as you know a lot of the piping isn't gonna
    take the strain anymore…so they're worried about it…
    there's a massive amount of water throwing thru the ground water into the ocean where there's been a build up of tritium
    inside the…

  • tsfw tsfw

    "France, as you can see, is operating more than 50 reactors, which makes sense: it gets 39% of its total power output from nuclear. The U.S., for comparison, gets just 9% of its energy from its more than 70 reactors."

    All this for that?! All that risk for 9% of their energy requirements?!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "And so it goes. We’re hearing this week that deadly levels of radiation have been found outside the destroyed Fukushima reactors. It’s never ending.

    Why isn’t the international community making more of a noise about Fukushima? Is it because the big voices on the international stage are all pro-nuclear power themselves?

    Sooner or later, for all our sakes, our leaders are going to have to get their hands dirty at Fukushima."

    Yet Greenpeace can't say..corium..

    Permanent crisis at Fukushima
    Dec 10 2013

  • KiloCharley KiloCharley

    Heart, how poignant the one and only comment to this article is,
    "ich denke nie an mich – ich denke an unsere Kinder"


    "I never think of me – I am thinking of our children"

  • Jebus Jebus

    Of MOX, Madness, and Psychopathic Monsters…

    What's a little Pu among friends?


    Sayonara Japan, it's been real…


    • zogerke zogerke

      holy crap. 'there is no chance getting cancer from plutonium!' oh my F$%^&*G deity. there it is, right there.

    • vicky13 vicky13

      LOL,, there are no words, I can express

      gobsmacked is a understatement



  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    I would like for you fine people to watch the you tube live feeds by "BeauifulGirlByDana", you will learn more from the research he has spent on Fukushima, Hanford & the releases by nuclear power plants & re-processing plants than from the pro-nuke shrills whom have a vested interest in keeping the buke power elites asses covered & hidden from the public eyes as we all breath in, eat & drink some sort of radiation daily until we die!
    So I said my thing, we are & have screwed by the scum of the earth & they to will have to seal with it because it cares not who it finds, it just kills them over time!

  • Jebus Jebus

    Again, the most intelligent had it right, from the beginning…

    Fukushima And The Plutonium Mystery – By Mary Hamer, M.D – 13 April, 2011
    *WORSE THAN CHERNOBYL: The Rad Rider, a Scientist states regarding the Reactor #3 explosion of 3/14/11:
    *“ Study the close up views of the #3 reactor explosion and you will see that the blast was not the type of explosion one would expect from the ignition of hydrogen. The fireball seen in the corner of the plant may have been due to hydrogen but it was much too small to cause the main blast. Not only that, inspection reveals that this was a directional blast. Much as if a cannon had been fired straight up from inside the reactor building.
    You Tube Fukushima video: (16)
    This is what one would expect if the reactor vessel exploded with enough force to take out the drywell dome and the removable concrete pads that cover it. …
    *If my assessment is correct, the dark colored cloud we witnessed, that was shot approximately 1,000 feet into the air, contained the MOX core of the reactor and made this accident worse than Chernobyl. The experts that claim that Chernobyl was the worst possible form of accident due to it's lack of a containment, do not take into account that a contained core, could be violently exploded out of the containment and straight up into the atmosphere. This is worse than exploding a core that is not contained. (17)

  • Jebus Jebus

    I feel the need to say more…

    How much plutonium does it take to overdose a person?

    Letter from the Atomic Energy Control Board

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      +10000000000, TY Jebus. A quote from this article:

      “'A critical mass of plutonium emits lethal amounts of neutrons & gamma rays'. (10)

      “'A criticality accident … is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans & causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings'. (11) 'Many criticality accidents have been observed to emit a blue flash of light & to heat material(s) substantially'. (12) …"

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        + six billion, Jebus.

        • Ontological Ontological

          Was 7B+ official census 2010. Too many, I have seen reports this last week of a small EQ in NW due to too many rowdy football fans in one place. And another case claiming way too loud for local sound limits at another football game. This bio-mass cannot be supported by the Earth's eco systems for long!

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Six billion = number of people who can be killed by 600 grams of Plutonium, according to the link Jebus provided. It's more likely 600 kilograms were spewed out of the plant shortly after 3/11 alone. So likely the extra one billion people has been factored into the great cosmic equation.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              I say that tongue in cheek. Certainly no wish to see needless suffering or death.

              Many people believe the earth could actually support many more people, if resources were shared fairly, and if they were properly distributed.

              But that's not likely to happen, at least in our lifetimes.

            • jonnyboy jonnyboy

              your talking out of your ass here man….

            • Ontological Ontological

              I realized that as I hit enter Ho Taters. lol

  • Jebus Jebus

    Was there a threat of exposure before Fukushima?

    Toxicological Profile for Plutonium


    Notice the…

  • Jebus Jebus

    It seems that in 2005 the MCL was too high…

    Think about this as it relates to today and current MCL…

    But wait, they changed the acronym to PAG…

    U.S. Drinking Water Contaminated with Deadly Plutonium Near Nuclear Plants & Bomb Making Sites


    "The EPA is required to review and update its rules for the protection of public health on a regular basis," said Geoff Fettus, staff attorney at the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). "This IEER study shows that the EPA should act with alacrity to tighten standards to protect public health and remain within the intent and spirit of the drinking water regulations." NRDC will work with IEER and other organizations in the coming year to make sure it does so.

    IEER, joined by NRDC, Clean Water Action and other groups, transmitted the report today to Cynthia Dougherty, director of the EPA groundwater and drinking water office, with a letter urging the agency to change the combined drinking water limit for alpha-emitting, long-lived transuranic radionuclides from 15 picocuries per liter to 0.15 picocuries per liter.

    The report, Bad to the Bone: Analysis of the Federal Maximum Contaminant Levels for Plutonium-239 and Other Alpha-Emitting Transuranic Radionuclides in Drinking Water, can be downloaded in full from IEER¹s website at

  • soundmind

    I've been following the list for 2 years and am up to date. 1-3 are hot 4 is an accident waiting to happen. Murphy's Okay, so they
    clean up #4 pool and maybe even dabble with 1-3 a wee bit a year or so from now. We all are looking at a 1 in 4 chance of dying of radiation "if" we survive long enough. So my question—- "Then What?" Daichi ground will never be usable as a generating power plant site again. Most of Japan is history. Anybody have a viable answer to my question—"Then What?" I see remediation
    I see attempted containment. For what? You can't put the bullet back in the gun of Robert E. Ford. You can't reprieve the dead man walking. You can't resurrect the Dead. What do you say to the kids? Sorry you were born late into a lawless world of greed and shame, enjoy what you've got left. I fail to find a logical retort for "Then What?"

  • Jebus Jebus

    Here's a chance, to think about the chance, that all these horrendous cellular diesease's that we have today, are primarily from plutonium contamination of our environment.
    What are the odds?
    What are the probabilities?
    What are the risks now?

    Health Effects of Plutonium

    By Dr Arjun Makhijani – December 1997

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Jebus, the EPA does as it is told, no ifs, ands or buts. Look up SU Ammo & where it's made! Then look up Iraq & birth defects, it will make you sick, do not show the video to kids, please!

    Enenews is growing , yet there also those who are paid well to make us look like fools, well these shrills also breath the same air as we, I don't have $700,000 for a bone marrow trans plant, but my head stone is paid for & if the crash comes to early my insurance will be useless, just like our money is now! Folks we ain't seen shit yet!
    GOD be with all & learn to love all life because this a fight many millions will lose, many of them children!

  • Jebus Jebus

    We have all been called fear mongers, scaremongers, tin hatz, doomsayers, but it seems that they, the pukers, never call us liars.
    Why is that?
    I think that nuclear propagandists have a loathing hatred for themselves, so much, that they just can't call someone else, what they already are…

    The propaganda started right away. 1946 for sure. They even came up with the essence of all those other terms right away. They even produced propaganda pieces for the masses. The plan was/is…


    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Yeah, definitely a propoganda piece. Pro-UN all the way. And what good has the U.N. done in the nuclear arena?

  • Jebus Jebus

    Isotopic evidence of plutonium release into the environment from the Fukushima DNPP accident

    The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant (DNPP) accident caused massive releases of radioactivity into the environment. The released highly volatile fission products, such as 129mTe, 131I, 134Cs, 136Cs and 137Cs were found to be widely distributed in Fukushima and its adjacent prefectures in eastern Japan. However, the release of non-volatile actinides, in particular, Pu isotopes remains uncertain almost one year after the accident. Here we report the isotopic evidence for the release of Pu into the atmosphere and deposition on the ground in northwest and south of the Fukushima DNPP in the 20–30 km zones. The high activity ratio of 241Pu/239+240Pu (> 100) from the Fukushima DNPP accident highlights the need for long-term 241Pu dose assessment, and the ingrowth of 241Am. The results are important for the estimation of reactor damage and have significant implication in the strategy of decontamination.

  • jonnyboy jonnyboy

    while i am deeply concerned, in these comment sections, i hear a lot of seemingly bull crap theories… people talking about brown ocean water in oregon, brown air in california, and weird theories which make no sense… like under ocean explosions….

    while its amusing to hear from everyone, and their ideas, could you at least try to post any kind of source, or extra material for these claims…. without citing sources, you just sound like a hippy with a stoned theory…..

    this whole mess is…. a mess….. without making it into a complete mockery of itself…. sorry to be a bitch, but ramblings that are clearly imagined, without source, discredit this news site…

    • SadieDog

      At least you apologized. And usually if you ask for a link or story you'll get it. But not if you call them "clearly imagined ramblings".

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      jonnyboy, why don't y'all come out to California and pay a visit and see for yerself?

      What we are describing is NOT smog or auto air pollution. There is a difference, and we are smart enough to know the difference.

      Do you really think those of us who have lived around smog, fog, and agricultural burns all of our lives are Doh! stupid enough not to know the difference?

      Your comment is so denigrating it is laughable.

      • jonnyboy jonnyboy

        i live in seattle. i was just in cal, and drove the oregon coast with a geiger…. i range all through western north america… BC too…. i look and watch…. im not calling you a liar…. relax hotaters…. i simply want folks to, well. take a picture, and post it…. read a weird article??? post a link…

        buy your own geiger counter… snoop around, but for christsakes,,, ranting about under water nukes, or a weird cloud makes us all look stupid….

        calm down….

      • Ontological Ontological

        Ty HT I got assaulted by a bent out of shape blogger a couple weeks ago, over noting how many have moved into my area, and not posting proof. I guess some of us have no compassion whatsoever, and will jump in a pool before noting if it has water in it.

    • yohananw

      Apocalypticism and conspiracy theorizing have their advantages, i.e. they reduce uncertainties and sometimes promote preparedness. (see Daisy Yuhas. Psychology Reveals the Comforts of the Apocalypse. Sci Am. Dec 18, 2012. )

      As cataclysmic as nuclear pollution may yet amount to, some say climate change is a greater extinction threat. (See Butzer KW, Endfield GH. Critical perspectives on historical collapse. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2012 Mar 6;109(10):3628-31. doi: 10.1073/pnas.1114772109. PubMed PMID: 22371580; -free full text access- )

      The coping voices on ENENEWS focus on education and reducing risks, sharing news, opinions along with valid data and information resources. In contrast, the ranters on pedestal don't teach. That said, some anti-nuke scientists were ELE theorists. For example, George Wald who was concerned with the disappearance of human beings. ref: Jukes TH. George Wald believed in apocalypse now. Nature. 1997 Jul 3;388(6637):13. PubMed PMID: 9214489.

      • Mack Mack

        yohananw wrote:

        "As cataclysmic as nuclear pollution may yet amount to, some say climate change is a greater extinction threat."

        But what if nuclear pollution IS one of the biggest contributors to climate change —>

        1. Scientists blame carbon dioxide for climate change.

        2. Nuclear energy supporters say nuclear energy doesn't contribute to climate change because it doesn't emit carbon dioxide.

        3. But that's not true because nuclear energy DOES emit carbon dioxide.

        4. IAEA document that admits that nuclear power plants release carbon dioxide —>


        Radioactive emissions leave nuclear power plants as gaseous, liquid or solid wastes. The principal gaseous radioactive wastes —tritium and 14C — are associated with heavy water. Tritium is primarily formed in the moderator and, to a lesser degree, in the HTS, and is released as tritiated heavy water vapour, i.e. the molecules of heavy water vapour include some DTO molecules. Carbon-14 is principally formed in the moderator system and is released as carbon dioxide."

        REPEAT: "Carbon-14 is principally formed in the moderator system and is released as carbon dioxide."

        Again, it's carbon dioxide that scientists blame for climate change.

        4. Therefore, nuclear energy must be contributing to climate change.

        • yohananw

          Mack, you're right. Not only does the operation of nuclear power contributing CO2 and heat, but also the mining, processing, and reprocessing of nuclear fuel all require energy and generate huge amounts of CO2. Also construction of radioactive waste depositories will contribute to climate change.

          Another correction: the above Butz reference to "Critical perspectives on historical collapse" previews the article: Karl W. Butzer. "Collapse, environment, and society." Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2012 Mar 6;109(10):3632–3639.

          The nuclear insult to the earth's biosphere is great. But it's too early to write off informed people or to predict society's decline, collapse or extinction.

      • SadieDog

        I don't theorize about conspiracies, but I do search for the truth. When you call someone a conspiracy theorist, you automatically negate them and their idea. And in my opinion, lately it looks like the conspiracy theorists/truth seekers have been vindicated much more than not.

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Jebus, you are so right all you have to do is look at jonnyboy comment. Jebus keep the great comments! Peace!

  • BethR BethR

    We really need to focus on win win solutions here. How about this one: the U.S. Is hurting for money, real-estate on the west coast is still valued really high… the radiation coming from Japan is going to start ruining the West Coast (but both governments will deny it), and a majority of the country of Japan need to get the heck out of there and move to some other country, preferably with an effective and economical socialized healthcare system like Obamacare is clearly turning out to be. Let's just SELL California and maybe Oregon off to the Japanese! Since the government will be denying the radiation exposure risk there as-well as Japan 1) the Japanese should feel right at-home and 2) we can use the concept that they are actually minimizing their exposure there compared to staying in Japan right now (although it doesn't actually look like that's true – looks like the U.S. Is going to receive just as much radiation as much/most of Japan thanks to this mess -but since when does it matter what's true or not?). Maybe one of y'all poets out there can write up some song-lyrics for me to the tune of the Mama's & Pappas song "twelve thirty" aka "young girls are coming to the canyon" for our Japanese media spots… Come on over, water's fine… Great deals…

    • SadieDog

      I predict that not long after California is totally unsafe that it goes bye-bye. At least everything west of the San Andreas fault line.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        So maybe you're living in one of those "safe areas" Edgar Cayce described which might be destroyed if Yellowstone erupts? Did you know it was just discovered Yellowstone Caldera is twice as large as previously thought, and some scientists think there is active magma movement under the caldera occurring?

        The world is just not a "safe" place. The concept of "safety" is relative.

        We're all mortals, in the end, and when the final analysis is done.

        We are but flyspecks in the eye of geologic time.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Oh, and by the way, REAL PEOPLE live here in California.
          eye of geologic time. So maybe you were just kidding?

          • SadieDog

            @ Ho Taters – Nope, not kidding. I was alluding to a thought I had. If TPTB decide the west coast has absorbed too much/enough radiation, would they sink it in order to buy time? I was trying to think like them, so obviously I was not considering the people.

    • Jebus Jebus

      Uh, BethR, I'm pretty sure you are all alone on this one…

      Besides what the hell is Japan gonna pay with, fish? Toyotas?, rice?

      Japan's economy looks weaker after GDP revision – Dec 8

      Japan Cuts 3Q Economic Growth Estimate to 1.1 Pct – Dec 9

      Japan’s Mega Banks Have Mega Yakuza Trouble

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    • Jebus Jebus

      On the flip side, with the feel right at home concept, Cali does have radiation plants, on fault lines, by the ocean, with one damaged beyond repair…

    • bo bo

      What a cold hearted idea. Or is it sarcasm …? It must be…my parents are prepared to die in japan. They know it is bad but they want to stay there.any in California might say the same.

    • BethR BethR

      Yes you are all correct, I was being sarcastic, this was a "cold hearted" comment, because my heart is cold looking at this situation. I knew from Day 1 that this situation was bad, I sat glued to my live webcam-feed for months, everything reported and also not-reported about it is… enough to turn one's heart cold, sorry. I usually try to focus on the positive but there is nothing positive about this scenario. I did not mean any more disrespect to the Japanese than I did to Americans, fact is that our nations are more alike than different and we are all in this mess together. Anyway please forgive my cold-hearted sarcasm, it's hard not to be horribly discouraged and bitter following the progress of this situation.

      • Jebus Jebus

        It's alright, it is healthy to vent externally.
        A chuckle never hurt anyone. The perception of your venting is not your issue.
        It merely shows that the one's who perceived incorrectly, are in need of some venting…

      • bo bo

        Beth, I apologize for misconstruing. I think the lioness face threw me off! She looks serious 🙂

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    I would sell some a sick dog or horse, much sick land, it shows how some people fit right in with the ass wipes who sold nuclear power!

  • 11 th December 2013 65146 UTC
    What a permanently devastating blow to modern civilization and unfortunately all life by the dams of the world. People may speculate with the effects of plate tectonics but the modern reality is the nuclear effect of dams of the world. as you build more thermal and nuclear plants and shovel more uranium from the mines the infinite biological effects will be capitalised by the grid stabilizers the hydro dams right from the day the dams became an epidemic from the 1099s. Even now people are rare who see the nuclear effects of dams. But they do view pages on the effects of dams from all over the world.
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    Ring a ring a roses/pocket full of poses/Hasha Husha/We all fall down.
    Modern civilization does not know and it does not know that it does not know that dam related events are showing proof of doom!
    Applying the precautionary principle,Kyshtym,Windscale,Chernobyl, Narora,The great 9.3 MM Andaman Sumatra quake,Kashiwasaki Kariwa nuke damages,the Fukushima extinction process, the Kedarnath Valley flash floods, the extremes of rainfall and climate change are caused by direct heating of rocks by the gigantic surge waves of water moment of all…