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Vast underestimation of radiation levels by Japan gov’t — Blames “calculation errors”

Published: June 3rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm ET
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The ministry has accumulated 73 mSv miscalculation in the town Namie, Tokyo Shimbun, June 3, 2011:

Translation by EX-SKF

The Ministry of Education and Science announced on June 3 that the estimated cumulative radiation level from March 12 to May 25 at one location in Namie-machi Fukushima Prefecture, 22 kilometers northwest of Fukushima I Nuke Plant, was 73.9 millisieverts. The Ministry also disclosed the cumulative radiation estimate map of the same period in the area around Fukushima I Nuke Plant.

Previously, the Ministry of Education and Science announced the cumulative radiation at this particular location up to May 11 was 31.7 millisieverts, but it corrected the number to 61.1 millisieverts. According to the person [unnamed] in charge at the Ministry, “A wrong formula was used in calculation in some parts.” Calculation errors were found for 10 additional locations within Namie-machi, resulting in a vast underestimation of the radiation levels.

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167 comments to Vast underestimation of radiation levels by Japan gov’t — Blames “calculation errors”

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  • ocifferdave
    June 3, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Isn’t Japan a land that generaly rocks at math (ie Video Games, TVs, Cars, …)?


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  • steve the jew
    June 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    always the errors are underestimates… therefore much more likely to be deliberate.


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  • SteveMT
    June 3, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    The new name of The Ministry of Education and Science is now “The Ministry of Truth.” Eric Blare would be very pleased.


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  • Drewbert
    June 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    As this moment, if I load up http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html and wait until a minute or so of video has loaded and then use the slider control to go backward and forwards time-wise, I can clearly see steam escaping from the left hand edge of reactor 2 building and from the middle of reactor 3 (watch the bottom part of the tower that stands behind it in the shot to see the steam).

    On the good news side, within a month my family and I will be safely ensconced in the southern hemisphere, way down the bottom, close to antarctica.


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    • ocifferdave
      June 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm

      Dilbert@ I’m proud of you for making that move! It will be oh so worth it. Clearly the 2nd worst place to be is the West Coast USA, where I am at currently. I envy you and your can do make it happen attitude. Now if I could just win the lotto and meself and fam to New Zealand. :/


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    • WindorSolarPlease
      June 3, 2011 at 7:04 pm

      Do you have room in your suit case for 6 people, a very soon baby to be, and two very tiny Chihuahuas?

      Do you ever feel like you are tied to the tracks and waiting for that slow train to come?


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    • Darth
      June 3, 2011 at 7:23 pm

      Be sure to take a copy of On The Beach. That way you will never forget us slobs stuck in the Northern Hemisphere.

      Are you retired?


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  • icone
    June 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    …meanwhile #4 is still steaming away. The TBS/JNN cam shows it well right now.


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  • Maria
    June 3, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    The Ministry of Education and Science is not able to use a calculatin machine :D


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  • stephen
    June 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    These “miscalculations keep coming.

    It seems that the Japanese, who have been designing great, reliable cars for decades….

    … have suddenly lost the ability to do math

    And they always underestimate, never overestimate. Gee, I wonder why


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    • ???
      June 3, 2011 at 4:56 pm

      That’s what I’ve been thinking… My 3 Japanese cars for the past 14 years have been like supernatural tanks…I find myself quietly thanking the engineers time and again for such a great design, safety, paint job, handling, efficiency, reliability…truly inspired! They protect me from ultra-reckless drivers, blizzards, ice storms, no gas station for miles–you name it. Even mechanics always rave about my Japanese cars–always passing each inspection and emissions test with high honors…

      What the heck is up with this now????
      It does NOT make sense.


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  • Tuni
    June 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Thanks to all who donate pertinent info. to the site and thanks also to the folks who run the site. I’ve been following the threads for about a month now and have learned a great deal about the situation and I’ve come to the conclusion that Mr. Miyagi would be very troubled over the responses of TEPCO and the Government.

    (Sarcasm off)

    I hope all on the site have a great weekend. I’m going to have a cold beer!!


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  • Thebes
    June 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Translation:

    They lied about how serious the accident was until western media tired of reporting on it.


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  • anne
    June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Discussion of observations of flashing lights at Fukushima:
    http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4146


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  • icone
    June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    #4 is really belching some big plumes right now. The tepco cam is pretty useless for seeing it. Its decent visibility, the TBS cam link above is way better for the overview


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  • anne
    June 3, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    This is probably from April:
    We have at least three sources who believe that there is evidence of recriticality at Fukushima
    We have at least three sources who believe that there is evidence of recriticality at Fukushima. What’s troubling is that it is uncontrolled criticality. For those who don’t know, this means the fission process is starting and stopping at random. Blue flashes of light have been witnessed at Fukushima. This blue light if produced by electrons through a dielectric is called Cherenkov radiation. It’s a normal process within the reactor. When the blue flashes are seen outside the reactor, those are produced by neutrons and radioactive isotopes are given off.
    http://windows7forums.com/water-cooler/63390-we-have-least-three-sources-who-believe-there-evidence-recriticality-fukushima.html


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  • Novamind
    June 3, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    How surprised will we be when our own governments information on the radiation fallout numbers has the same type of math errors?


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  • CaMom
    June 3, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Mrs. Watanebe’s first grade class apologizes for the errors and requests that TEPCO gives them the correct data next time.


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  • Fallout Man!
    June 3, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    At Chernobyl soldiers reading Geiger counters were told to divide by 5 whenever they reported radiation levels. Whatever reading you get… divide by 5! The Japanese government is likely just following that old Soviet convention. :-)

    ( In which case the May 11 reading should be corrected from 30ms to 150ms. The figure of 60 they are making up now is likely a change to keep the readings slightly plausible. )


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  • annoyed
    June 3, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Stuxnet is surely messing readings up. There is no way of getting actual data if a virus is messing the system still.


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  • PG
    June 3, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    BS – Meters don’t lie. Anyone can read C/PM, us/hr, ms/hr, mr/hr. Here is a video from nearly a month later, from 4-6-11. Two independent meters, 1-2 miles from Diatchi. They had plenty of time to ‘do math’. Their people were terminated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8

    Check out the destroyed building, next door to Diatchi, in the last seconds of the video. Also, looking over the bridge toward the ocean. Gives you a good idea of how high that water was. There were reports of the wave being 30′ high, but once the wave hit a wall, it could climb up and over it. It had to be close to 60′ or more by looking at this video.


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  • Heart of the Rose
    June 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    A repost of pictures released May 20.. the tsunami hitting Fukushima.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/japan-tsunami/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503051&objectid=10726866


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  • Maa
    June 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Radioactive gas leak at Tsuruga nuclear plant caused by holes in piping


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  • scared 16
    June 3, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    i’m only 16 and just got out of school. i live in california also, and i am scared and have been since i saw the explosions on the news in march. what is going to happen? i don’t want to die…


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    • tony wilson
      June 3, 2011 at 8:32 pm

      scared 16.
      it may sound a bit patronising but if i was 16 i would keep informed but try to enjoy life.
      i am an old fart and a bit bitter and twisted a bit of a mr angry i worry about stuff. life is full of good and bad things try not to dwell on the negatives all the time.get out do stuff try to enjoy yourself.
      people living in belarus near ukraine dealt with radiation because they were close to the chernobyl nuclear plant.
      things were made worse by poverty and eating veg and meat grown local.
      you can find lots of advice about foods and supplements even if it got bad supplements help in a major way.
      the most important first step is filter your water..the best are ro units.
      this american company do a good selection i had a system shipped to the uk.
      http://nuwaterconcepts.com/
      also avoid milk i have been using powder milk for months.
      some of the stuff on this site can seem a bit scary people like myself are just angry about how dumb the japanese have been.watch russia today news,read this and other sites do not believe anything the mainstream media says gather info and make up your own mind.


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    • Lill
      June 3, 2011 at 9:09 pm

      hi and welcome scared 16. :)

      read up and inform yourself here, science sites and the Japanese news sites. i know it’s a lot to learn, but so is any learning venture. ask questions, dig for your info if need be.

      best thing i can offer outside of what the others have already said is; don’t overload on info either. give yourself time away for activities and thinking about other things, or rethink all you’ve learned. a good balance is always important.

      my kiddo’s 10, she wants to know it ALL, every time something new pops up. but i know my kid; i can see when she’s getting too close to overloaded. i hold back for her till she is ready to handle more.

      this is rich, heavy stuff some days. like a rich meal, you gotta pace yourself or get sick on it.

      don’t let yourself get bogged in fear. it’s a natural reaction, most have felt it on one level or another. better to keep your head clear, think fast, think on your feet and reason out how best to help yourself and your loved ones. give yourself a constructive goal in all this and go for it.

      but please don’t let all of this become your whole life either. that’s bouncing off in an unhealthy direction. balance.


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    • WindorSolarPlease
      June 3, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      Hi Scared,

      At sixteen you are probable in your second year of high school.

      Since you are scared, get busy and do a report on this, along with your questions.

      You know how to do a report. Get prepared to talk to your parents with questions and facts from reputable sources from professionals in this field.

      Sit down with your parents, pull out your folder and have a discussion with them.

      If your parents cannot help you, then go to your school find a science teacher or a professional there and pull out your report and be ready to talk to someone there.

      You could also talk to a teacher to have the class, write to your State Officials asking for full disclosures of the testing results.

      If the school won’t allow this, then do it yourself.

      Knowledge and taking action, empowers you to over come being scared, keep the faith.


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    • xdrfox
      June 3, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      scared 16
      You are brave to come here and say what you feel ! You have won half the battle by speaking out ! You should know not many your age are paying attention to the world around them, but you are !
      People here have given good advice !
      We all hope to see and hear from you on the threads and learning from you also !


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    • Linda
      June 3, 2011 at 10:20 pm

      Hey Scared 16…you have received a great welcoming and yes, you’ll find a lot of information on this site/various links.

      I’m a grandmother and live here in Calif. too…One of the best things you can do for your soul/spirit and for yourself emotionally, is to enjoy life to it’s fullest…it’s also the number one immune booster…so find YOUR way.


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    • Jack
      June 4, 2011 at 12:04 am

      Chiming In, Sixteen…
      One of the scariest times in becoming “Adult” is at the point where you experience a big disappointment in someone you held in Esteem, as an Authority.
      Those of us coming out of the Sixties, into the Seventies, had
      a lot of distrust of Government because of Vietnam, Politics,
      The Daniel Ellsberg Pentagon Papers, and such.
      Folks have advised you to seek info from various School Boss
      types. A fair warning is that ALL of us humans are Sinners,
      and will tend to protect our own selves, protect our Action,
      in spite of Higher Truths. Your Teachers and Counselors
      may show that they need to protect themselves, legally and
      Socially, in What they Choose to SAY to you.
      I remember a high school teacher from Georgia who came
      to tears telling a group that he could not ever Admit the truth about the Goodness of Marijuana, because it would
      definitely LOSE him his Job. There is a lot of Falsehood in
      this World. The Police State PIGS will shove you into death
      camps, just doin’ their Job. The EPA, tasked with the DUTY
      of informing people about environmental poisons, did the
      Opposite, shutting down sensors or at least REPORTS from sensors… same with the Canadian Government.
      Wow, when I think of all the Great, thought-provoking FILMS you ought to watch, with your smartest friends:
      1. Silent Running, with Bruce Dern, not the WWII movie, but
      that one is also a classic.
      2. Trinity and Beyond….most of this footage was still secret
      classified when I was in HS.
      3. Gattaca…a stunning vision of The encroaching Police State, and a Lesson about perseverance in your life.
      4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
      5. Billy Jack
      6. Apocalypse Now-Redux
      7. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
      8. The Ten Commandments
      9. The Green Zone…did you know our soldiers are now
      Micro-chipped? Did you know they are used not only
      for ID purposes, but for electronic Control of men?
      10. A Boy and His Dog….Thank You Jason Robards for your
      …


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    • coot
      June 4, 2011 at 12:09 am

      Platitudes they aint lookin for, givm some advise people.


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  • majia
    June 3, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Hi Scared

    You are not, in all likelihood, going to die from Fukushima.

    We are NOT exposed to enough radiation to cause radiation sickness and it is unlikely that ANY event in Japan would cause enough releases to ever produce radiation sickness in the US.

    However, we are all being exposed to higher amounts of radiation than usual. Therefore, more people in the population will get cancer than ordinarly.

    There are steps you personally can take to reduce your personal risks from radiation and other environmental contaminants.

    First and foremost, stop smoking if you smoke tobacco. There is tons of research that shows that tobacco exacerbates the effects of radiation exposure.

    Second, stop drinking milk and avoid fresh dairy like yogurt and soft cheeses.

    Third, wash leafy vegetables very well or avoid them.

    Fourth, avoid berries as they seem to concentrate radiation contamination.

    Fifth, increase the variety and amount of fruits and vegetables in your diet while paying attention to points 3 and 4.

    Sixth, try and eat organic when you can. Research shows that pesticides worsen effects of radiation contamination in food.

    Take care of yourself and get enough sleep. Avoid drugs that would weaken your immune system, like meth and other dangerous substances.

    These steps will heighten your overall health. I am sure other posters will also offer good suggestions.

    Enjoy your life and plan your future!

    Warmest Wishes!!!!


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  • Pu239
    June 3, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    NEW RESEARCH “REFUDIATES” LNT THEORY

    “There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.”

    -Ann Coulter, on fears over the fallout from Japan’s nuclear crisis, Bill O’Reilly interview, March 18, 2011


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    • Pu239
      June 3, 2011 at 9:33 pm

      REFUDIATE
      v. to reject with denial

      A portmanteau of repudiate and refuse, famously coined by conservative commentator, Vice Presidential candidate, and drop-out Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

      An earlier instance of the word is found in the June 25, 2010 New York Times article, “When Capitalism Meets Cannabis”. Here, journalist David Segal, quoted a legal marijuana seller. The quote demonstrated a common expressive dysfunction among these people, who would neologize in a chronic marijuana haze.

      Sarah Palin’s innate cognitive disabilities allowed her to independently coin the term on the July 14, 2010 Fox News show, Hannity.

      Sarah Palin used the neologism again in a post to her Twitter account on July 18, 2010. After she was educated by her audience, she deleted the offending post and attempted a correction with two more posts containing the words, “refute” and “reject”. As way of explanation, she compared herself, as a wordsmith, to Shakespeare and asked readers to celebrate her mistakes.
      July 18, 2010: Ground Zero mosque supporters, doesn’t it stab you in the heart as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, (please) refudiate.

      July 14, 2010: (The Obamas) could refudiate what it is that (the NAACP) is saying. They could set the record straight.

      June 25, 2010: …interviewing pot sellers is unlike interviewing anyone else… Simple yes-or-no questions yield 10-minute soliloquies. Words are coined on the spot, like “refudiate,” and regular words are used in ways that make sense only in context.
      ————————————-
      Refudiate 798 up, 402 down
      buy refudiate mugs, tshirts and magnets
      A made-up English word: a combination of two legitimate words; “refute” and “repudiate”. This is similar to George W. Bush’s use of the word “misunderestimate” several years prior.

      Used by Sarah Palin multiple times in print and conversation, she claims her use of “refudiate” is simply her “contributing to the living…


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  • SteveMT
    June 3, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Live cam update: A crane with something dangling on top is moving around close to #4. will they begin spraining again? I also just saw a man walking in the foreground toward #1.

    Just an FYI.


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  • annoyed
    June 3, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dul7CXt4pk
    In this video you can see the camera shaking. I’ve seen those kind of shakings in the last hours several times in both Tepco and TBS cameras. And TBS camera displayed a weird sound while that was occuring. There has not been any quake there in the last hours so I guess those were explosions.


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  • Anthony
    June 3, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Lessons from Fukushima and Chernobyl for US Public Health Briefing Book

    Lessons From Fukushima and Chernobyl for US Public Health (PSR, April 2011)

    A briefing book on radiation and health issues, lessons learned from Fukushima and Chernobyl, and its implications for US public health and safety.

    http://www.psr.org/nuclear-bailout/resources/lessons-from-fukushima-and.pdf


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  • Anthony
    June 3, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Evacuation Zones for Nuclear Reactors
    http://www.psr.org/resources/evacuation-zone-nuclear-reactors.html
    Do you live within 50 miles of a nuclear reactor? One-third of Americans do. Click on the link to try out the evacuation zone mapping feature.


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  • Anthony
    June 3, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Childhood Leukemia and Cancers Near German Nuclear Reactors: Significance, Context, and Ramifications of Recent Studies

    International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health (2009)
    Rudi H. Nussbaum

    A government-sponsored study of childhood cancer in the proximity of German nuclear power plants (German acronym KiKK) found that children < 5 years living 5 km. The researchers concluded that since “this result was not to be expected under current radiation-epidemiological knowledge” and confounders could not be identified, the observed association of leukemia incidence with residential proximity to nuclear plants “remains unexplained.” This unjustified conclusion illustrates the dissonance between evidence and assumptions. There exist serious flaws and gaps in the knowledge on which accepted models for population exposure and radiation risk are based. Studies with results contradictory to those of KiKK lack statistical power to invalidate its findings. The KiKK study’s ramifications add to the urgency for a public policy debate regarding the health impact of nuclear power generation.

    http://www.ijoeh.com/index.php/ijoeh/article/view/1151


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  • annoyed
    June 3, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    So those were quakes! they were pretty strong I tell you, also short.


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  • Anthony
    June 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    **** There is no level of exposure below which there is no risk.
    Most of the data on the effects of radiation exposure are derived from studies of the survivors of the bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki, from intentional medical irradiation, and from a few high dose accidents. The Hiroshima
    exposure was a one-time dose largely composed of gamma and x-rays since the bombs were exploded high in the air
    producing very little fallout. This is very different from the releases from nuclear testing, and accidents at Kyshtym,
    Chernobyl, and Fukushima which have irretrievably released long-lived radionuclides such as cesium-137,
    strontium-90 , and plutonium-239 into the environment that will continue to expose living creatures for hundreds to
    thousands of years.
    The track record of governmental education on radiation and protection of the public is poor. For example, the US
    government warned the Kodak Corporation of impending nuclear tests so that they could protect their film in
    Rochester, NY where rain and snow storms would bring down the radiation. There was no warning given to
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    farmers, families with children who would drink contaminated milk, or pregnant mothers across the country. Other
    gross examples include the cover-up of the Kyshtym disaster by the US and the USSR and lack of information about
    Chernobyl for the first three days that it was happening.
    It is simply unknown what will be the distant health consequences to humankind of these very long-lived
    radionuclides in the global environment. Evidence to date is that consequences are likely to be cumulative, just as the
    contamination accumulates. Einstein’s prophetic words are still relevant, “The splitting of the atom has changed
    everything save our mode of thinking. Thus we drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.”****

    http://www.psr.org/nuclear-bailout/resources/lessons-from-fukushima-and.pdf


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  • irradiated californian
    June 3, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    each of those 5.0 quakes occurred yesterday. remember, it is the 4th in japan and the dates of those aftershocks say the 3rd. it happened early last night japan time i believe. it has been quiet in regards to quake when it comes to japan. that guy lucas has a vid of the quake as captured by the cams last night on his site.


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    • coot
      June 3, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      Historically some of the biggest after-shocks to Fukushima would be about this week-end. So I’ve read.


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    • tacomagroove
      June 4, 2011 at 1:39 am

      In respect to the earthquakes, there is solar mass coronal ejections. That could be charging seismic activity. As we are repeatedly being swarmed here on earth by class c 5-7 solar flares. (www.spaceweather.com) this is due to the solar minimum which is expected to approach solar maximum in late 2012. In fact one disturbing aspect of this crisis is that on march 10th, earth was hit by an x-07 Solar flare… Which may indeed have caused the 9.0… Another sighting Ive made linking CME’s to Japanese earthquakes, is that there were also c class solar flares 24 hours befor the 7.8 and 7.4 in honshu, In respect to many many class a and class b solar flares, that I feel are responsible for the more minor earthquakes…

      Just an subject I took interest in prior to the crisis in japan.


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  • Sickputer
    June 4, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Cool photo of storage water tanks:

    http://www.stripes.com/at-stricken-japanese-nuclear-plant-water-is-the-biggest-worry-1.145615#

    And some good news about water storage:

    http://ap.stripes.com/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_EARTHQUAKE?SITE=DCSAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-03-11-18-15

    I wonder about some of defense Sec. Robert Gates comments about beefing up our miltary presence in Australia and Singapore. Hmmm…if I was suspicious I might detect early groundwork for Japanese American troop redeployment. Nah…you think?

    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/gates-pentagon-considering-wider-u-s-military-presence-in-asia-1.145624


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  • Heart of the Rose
    June 4, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Hot particles..please see link in text
    http://www.llrc.org/index.html


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  • Jean Tanner
    June 4, 2011 at 1:05 am

    Here’s the NHk’s take on the ‘miscalculation’ mentioned in the OP
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/03_31.html


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  • hawkeye
    June 4, 2011 at 1:14 am

    there gonna need a bigger tank


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  • icone
    June 4, 2011 at 1:45 am

    anyone notice reactor 1 drywell radiation is now 250 SIEVERTS!!!
    Thats the highest yet I believe.

    I hope they calculated correctly.

    http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/


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    • stockdude
      June 4, 2011 at 3:03 am

      NO problems, you can work there for 35 minutes and only get a lifetime supply of radiation!


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    • TraderGreg
      June 4, 2011 at 3:03 am

      So maybe Taco is right – they are losing the cooling war. The boron is not enough to keep this beast cool, and the clock is clicking towards kaboom moment.


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      • tacomagroove
        June 4, 2011 at 3:22 am

        Trader greg
        :)
        Couldn’t you easily plot that…
        drywell reading went from 46 – 204 – 225 – 250…

        I stated 300. due to the reactors design integrity via the temperature stress / breaking point…
        Btw…
        This would also lead to problems using robotic controls. as radiation will cloud their frequencies leading to massive control failure…

        When it comes to plotting:
        The water / boron solution can not be changed. It is a solution of 40% at highest (likely 33%)… This is because boron is not a liquid coolant and would hamper cooling efforts if applied at a larger ratio…

        But you can plot the water….
        Which went from 1 metric ton an hour, to 3, then to 6, then to 8, now its currently at 15 tons of water per hour……

        How far up the chain until you cant move any amount more than the now current 15tons an hour of coolant… Is there a magic way to move 20tons of water an hour… or 25 or 50…? In my opinion: There is very little time left for tepco to admit this losing battle to international communities… If there is not an international effort by all active nations in the UN to attack this problem in a punctual effort I am quite certain we will pass a point of no return…

        Once they pass this point of no return. the game is over…

        Humanity loses…


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        • tacomagroove
          June 4, 2011 at 3:35 am

          You can also look up all the dates on the events in respect to their appending articles on google. That is how you plot the estimation of time left…

          Here is how to do you equation in short…

          First…
          Figure out the breaking point of the reactor… I choose 400c… (though its between 300 – 400. Fyi: I used 400 as the maximum this is due to the obvious…

          Then all you have to do is plot the steady rise of both the metric tons rise of coolant per hour in reactor 1.
          As well as the rising dose of the drywell coolant per hour…

          You can also factor in breaking points in sequence, where the plot is in a state of changed vector… For instance, I believe 25tons of hour is the maximum amount of water that tepco could induce… (possibly 20) (though I always over factor when estimating…) But use this as a turning point Or in otherwords this is a sign that things will grow much worse… Also You can assume what will happen if things vector off, by doing simple research online… Painting your own picture of events that will likely surface during the change in vector…

          I hope that helped.
          Every date and time was plotted on the graph I put online… So I hate to say it, but I am likely very very right… As for the rest of the argument… Only time will tell… Though In my opinion I described in great detail what events I expect will continue after the vector is dramatically changed.

          Most call it apocalyptic. I often think to ask in my defense:

          What do you expect to happen when you irradiate 1000+ tons of plutonium atmospherically???


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 3:43 am

            P.s. once you plot the rise between dates…
            For example: may 1st 3 tons water added hourly:
            may 18th 6 tons water added hourly…
            You have a standard angle of incline… follow the incline until it meets a breaking point (400c).

            When I did my equation I feel there is an 80% certainty that Tepco will abandon within the chosen dates. Rising to an even more staggering 90% chance within 15days of the maximum date selected…

            This is all in the event that tepco continues to maintain the same course of action. Via operations on site…

            As a incline will not change vector if there is no resistance. so the rise is a “constant rise” and can be simulated even more accurately by using the mean median mode system.


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          • stockdude
            June 4, 2011 at 3:48 am

            Only a small fraction is plutonium, but uranium sucks all by itself.


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          • Bread+Butter
            June 4, 2011 at 4:15 am

            Tacoma, wait, am I getting this wrong? Unit 1 water injection has dropped from 6 to 5 Tons/h during the last days.
            http://atmc.jp/plant/intowater/


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 7:24 am

            I am pretty certain that tepco is injecting at 15tons an hour in both the units… (reactor 1, and 3)…

            The link you provided states that unit 3′s intake is 0m3. so … I couldn’t exactly view that as a constructive source either…

            Though an interesting thing I came across. Is that the nitrogen was induced in 1 and not 3…
            So to that regard… I would assume cooling had been a bigger focus in 1 than in unit 3. Meaning unit 3 is likely at a higher rate of intake than that of 3 entirely…

            I know that when I came across the article stating the specs in unit 1, that It was originally a foreign article / source… I did a google translation. I wonder if the translation came out ok? as I expect unit 1 requires much more cooling than unit 3 due to damages being reported…

            I Will find the link, and repost tomorrow mid day ish… I need to catch some z’s…

            Also Do you know why it states 3 has no current cooling being reported???


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          • Bread+Butter
            June 4, 2011 at 7:28 am

            Instrument failure? ;-)
            Have a good sleep


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        • stockdude
          June 4, 2011 at 3:46 am

          We have already lost, the question is how many hundreds of thousands of pounds of uranium and some plutonium are we going to let become loose radioactive particles. How big will the lose be? the whole 2.5 million pounds where Chernobyl was like 68000 pounds?

          Are we going to let it get so bad that even reactor 5 and 6 can’t be approached and will melt down too in the overstocked “cooling pools”.


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 4:02 am

            That is the conclusion I came to. (reactors 5 and 6 joining the international boxing match)…

            To all that might be wondering.

            I am fully admitting: I am not a science major. I do not have a degree in nuclear physics.

            But I am very intelligent.
            I have a astonishing IQ and an active interest in the situation. (call it obsession). I am very good at math as well. Not so much english, lol.

            But in all respects I designed that paper as a international warning to citizens of all nations. That “Tepco” is in a continued vector of downward spiral. If we continue to let them trend past the point of no return ww2 is going to look like kindergarten.

            That being said the paper was a challenge for anyone that opposed it. To date not one person has disputed it.
            “As all the data needed to factor is publicized and available online”…

            I encourage you (being anyone)… To dispute it mathematically, using a basic linear equation… due to the magnitude of the situation the more results that indicate the severity the more attention the subject will be paid… So its a win, win for science…

            Its not so much that I am saying I “I am righ”t…
            Its that I am asking “Am I right?”
            Can anyone prove me wrong?

            I quite honestly hope that I am wrong. But the data proved otherwise…
            Cheers
            Emmy


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 4:11 am

            I wanted to mention that the “bi-particles” created by plutonium in the process of fission I.e.polonium, pl238, 239, 244, ect… are in the “Thousands”… Each particle will be impacting human health in various damages via physical effect and exposure integrity.

            There are likely going to be thousands of even more dangerous “newly discovered particles” released in fukushima. Due to the scientifically, limited understanding of elemental bi products of radiaiton in respect to nuclear mechanics.


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 4:18 am

            Reactor 1 is currently receiving 15tons of coolant per hour.


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 4:21 am

            I am thinking what you read was the figure 6m to the third power.
            Looks like
            3
            6m


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          • Bread+Butter
            June 4, 2011 at 6:15 am

            Hmmm..as far as I know, 1m3 (third power) of water equals 1ton.


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 6:49 am

            http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/fukushima-i-reactor-3-tepco-pouring.html

            In the meantime, the temperature at the top of the Reactor 3 RPV has risen rapidly. TEPCO increased the amount of cooling water to 12 tons per hour on May 12 using two water feeding systems, then to 15 tons per hour on May 14. However, the temperature at the top of the RPV increased by 46.5 degrees Celsius in 24 hours to 297 degrees Celsius as of 5:00AM on May 15. TEPCO thinks there’s a problem with the pipes that feed water into the RPV.

            I didn’t mean that 6m3 was equal to 15tons per hour. What I had meant is that thats what you likely read elsewhere when you read it. As the agency Nisa was using that figure all month…


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          • Bread+Butter
            June 4, 2011 at 7:01 am

            Tacoma, bit of misunderstanding between us, I think. I thought you were discussing unit 1, not 3 (See my question above).
            For unit 1 atmc.jp states 5m3/h water injection during the last days, which are 5 tons/h.
            However, I agree that it’s not gonna work, may it be 5, 15 or no-matter-how-many tons.


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          • tacomagroove
            June 4, 2011 at 7:30 am

            butter… I wrote this fast btw…
            I also replied, to your reply above…

            But after reviewing reactor 3 on the atmj site… I am really confused.

            Reactor 3 has no coolant volume per hour…?

            And tepco is Feeding less coolant in per hour when the dry well is rising in atmospheric temp??? that isn’t right at all… The atmj site must be cutting some corners… You simply cant feed in less water during more fission… Thats not how you fix a problem… I think you and I caught tepco playing hide the weenie again…
            Very interesting indeed… But not too suprising…
            Emmy

            sleepytime ;)


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  • stockdude
    June 4, 2011 at 3:05 am

    I just wanted to point out, IMHO, what I think is a very good repository of information on radiation. If you like it, bookmark, send to friends.

    And klik some ads—gave all my potassium iodide away to family in Japan, need to buy more.

    http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/japan-nuclear-information.html


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  • BetaFlare
    June 4, 2011 at 3:07 am

    Russki Zeolite production started before Chernobyl detonation – for the elite and their kids. All kinds of food products even candy – only for elite kids.

    When eaten, clay/zeolites will be the toxin conveyor in your body: human body is built so that all foreign to cells, is ejected into the exhaust. But if it is full of sugar junkfood, saltless (the magic taught 24/7) … theres nowhere to eject the toxins, rad materiel.

    The ppl who have been claiming years of the world 90% depopulation need, will survive with their zeolite etc food products – while killing ya. Clay is in essence “zeolite”, dirt cheap available almost anywhere. (And I am not sellin anythin :)

    See more facts http://wp.me/pwIAV-19

    Cons Piracy -theory? You bet. When two humans walk together, there is a conspiracy waiting. When whole R0me wants your gold teeth, there is Adolph and Himmler smiling. A gas-saint behind em…

    ———————————–

    @Drewbert: I am sorry Drew, u cant escape life: a man escaped “all this” with an beautiful woman and bought an Indian Ocean paradise Island. Soon he got a tooth problem, hopped onto a freighter ship into Hong Kong. Died there on the dentist seat. I mean that its more important to be ready to meet your Creator than to try to escape Him. Eventually we all stand alone in front of Him and answer by ourselves…

    “On the good news side, within a month my family and I will be safely ensconced in the southern hemisphere, way down the bottom, close to antarctica.” Drewbert


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  • Nevadan
    June 4, 2011 at 3:26 am

    I can’t sleep. All this information and people persist in their willful ignorance. I have been able to get through to some of my extended family, only to have other relatives tell them that there is no danger from Fukushima and that I’m nuts. It is depressing.

    People just aren’t using any logic with this situation. I’m glad I can come here every day and read your comments.


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  • Mark
    June 4, 2011 at 3:42 am

    Me I’m a blue collar worker and I don’t know to much in terms of technical explanations regarding radiation but check this link http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/ionizing.html#_1_10 sorry I don’t know how to make it an actual link.

    I don’t even understand it but it explains measurements. I know miles per hour inches and gallons but obviously nuclear is more technical. Gonna take me a week to figure this shtuff out!

    Cheers Love and God Bless everyone


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  • Mark
    June 4, 2011 at 4:11 am

    Oh my anecdotal story my lady friend at work we like to flirt and I was talking to her about this crisis and she said “Stop I don’t want to know”. She remembers living in Romania at time of Chernobyl and she remembers the leaves in the fields wilting. She is ten years younger then me and when we work overtime she has dark circles under her eyes and I don’t. She is around forty and I am fifty.
    Peace and Love Everyone


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  • Mark
    June 4, 2011 at 4:24 am

    Hug and prayer may be best plan xxxx


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    • BetaFlare
      June 4, 2011 at 10:23 am

      Theres so much one can do:
      1. Air is most essential for anyone. Filter incoming home/office/car air, spend the night in a room with filterin device.
      2. Nex is water; myriad purification methods are available; -carbon filter-
      3. Make sure you get detox substances in your food …
      4. Be wise in what u eat: MAIN thing is to steer clear from issues the programmed professionals would feed you
      http://wp.me/pwIAV-19


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  • Mark
    June 4, 2011 at 4:36 am

    Oh this is interesting, upon opening up this page http://www.zeolitecanada.com/ I was informed that Health Canada does not allow me to be informed of this product. That is weird.


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  • milk and cheese
    June 4, 2011 at 7:00 am

    I am in Canada and I get the same message.


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  • Bread+Butter
    June 4, 2011 at 7:06 am

    I am in Germany- I get the message that ZeolitheCanada is seeking new represantatives near Berlin!
    I may change my career
    ;-)


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  • milk and cheese
    June 4, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Since there were earlier stories that the measuring devices at Fukushima were not functioning normally, is there a chance that these readings might be inaccurate? I know it sounds like grasping at straws, but the situation inside might easily be WORSE than reported, if this is true. Does anyone know?


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