“Very clear and present danger”: New push to dump radioactive Fukushima water in Pacific — Or boil it in large kettle and release steam into atmosphere for many years — Or do both says UC Berkeley professor

Published: August 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm ET
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Title: Tepco Faces 132 Olympic Pools Worth of Radioactive Water
Source: Bloomberg
Authors: Yuriy Humber & Jacob Adelman
Date: Aug 28, 2013

[Tepco] has accumulated the largest pool of radioactive water in the history of nuclear accidents. The utility must now decide what to do with it: dump in the ocean, evaporate into the air, or both. […]

Processing and disposing of the [more than 330,000 metric tons of] water, enough to fill a very large crude oil tanker or 132 Olympic-size swimming pools, will be one of the most challenging engineering tasks of our generation, former nuclear engineer Michael Friedlander said. […]

The steel storage tanks are vulnerable to spills due to earthquakes as well as leaks, representing “a very clear and present danger to the plant site and to the people working there,” said Friedlander […]

“There are really only a few ways you can get rid of it,” Friedlander said. “You put it in the ocean or it’s going to have to be evaporated” […]

[8,290 tons of water from Three Mile Island] was boiled twice in a device similar to a large kettle before being released via a 100-foot stack into the atmosphere […] and lasted more than two years […]

Still, discharging low-level contaminated water at the Fukushima station into the sea may need to be used in addition or as an alternative to evaporation, said [Joonhong Ahn, a professor in the nuclear engineering department at the University of California, Berkeley].

See also: Mainichi: Radioactive water should be diluted, released into ocean: experts

Published: August 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm ET
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77 comments to “Very clear and present danger”: New push to dump radioactive Fukushima water in Pacific — Or boil it in large kettle and release steam into atmosphere for many years — Or do both says UC Berkeley professor

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    It's the world's nuclear industry's responsibility, as their invention is ruining all air and water.

    • dka

      dig a 2 kilometers hole in the mongolian desert and dump it there.
      It will sink futher somewhere bellow.

      • norbu norbu

        dka, How about NOT. We could put it your back yard if you think it is harmless. There are are people and animals in Mongolia.
        peace
        N

      • We Not They Finally

        Say, unless someone digs down about THREE MILES into that nuclear hell to retrieve the coriums, deadly water will gush forever. I mean, if you are going to make a really bad suggestion, at least do it to scale.

      • Chemical companies are already 'injecting' their waste products into deep wells.

        Fracking is another technique to put chemicals underground.

        From what we hear, neither one is working as promised.

        Flammable poisonous water anyone?

    • hbjon hbjon

      The process should be as follows if there is no other alternative..1)Desalinated water boils off 2)Catch water and run it through coarse grit filter 3) Step up to a fine grit crushed seashell filter 4)Final step is to polish with a charcoal filter. Replace filters as needed. Salt and filters must be handled like nuclear waste of course. It is the salt and filters that must be stored for millions of years after this process (or sink them to the bottom of the ocean. Right?).

      • We Not They Finally

        Yeah, if you were going to set up a large pot and colander in your kitchen. And maybe you could use a butterfly net to "catch the [330,000 tons of radioactive] water," with the count continually rising. Nice try….

    • Into Eternity; A Movie About Nuclear Waste Permanent Repository Issues; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/into-eternity-movie-about-nuclear-waste.html

      NUCLEAR WASTE: OUT OF CONTROL…ON PURPOSE – Diane D'Ariggo; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/11/nuclear-waste-out-of-controlon-purpose.html

  • Sickputer

    A mere pittance in those hot leaky tanks compared to the billions of tons of underground fresh water and tidal water that passes over the three escaped coriums. Tepco's water tanks are just a circus side show meant to confuse the public.

    We are not so easily fooled.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Yes, Sickputer. The real show is the hidden show.

    • We Not They Finally

      sickputer, you said it. "Tanks" and "leaks" and "seepage" and water being "pumped into the [empty-of-corium] reactors."You know, the PR. Psychopathic Railroading of the public.

  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    Does anyone know why it is desirable to boil contaminated water twice? To kill bacteria that have mutated maybe?

    • Enlite2.0

      Are they trying to make clear ice cubes? 🙂 Seriously tho, heating water to 100 degrees is only going to kill the microbes that die at that temperature. What will survive and thrive beyond that temperature will do so regardless of how many times you boil it.
      Might try freezing instead? JMHO

      • Enlite2.0

        Ah, misread the context. Attempting to release maximum contaminants via steam while filtering sediments, perhaps? This would only make sense, health wise, if they captured the contaminants away from release- not for the purpose of sending it directly into the air.

        As with all things nuclear, it seems like they don't really know how to protect the people or environment when things go bad- they just know how to make it 'look less dangerous' for PR.

    • The scientists boil Pacific ocean water THREE times before they test it for radiation.

    • We Not They Finally

      flapdoodle, it is not desirable to boil contaminated water at all!! Look what they've already done burning nuclear waste all over Japan!! It just guarantees that the air-borne radionuclides get spread around the world more efficiently. Like an equal opportunity killer.

  • Cerviche

    Put it in an oil tanker and figure it out after….. dont wait for the worse to happen….. freakin idiots

  • Cisco Cisco

    " Three Mile Cleanup

    Tainted water at the U.S. plant was boiled twice in a device similar to a large kettle before being released via a 100-foot stack into the atmosphere. The evaporation process began 12 years after the accident and lasted more than two years. Before that the contaminated water was used as part of the plant’s decommissioning.

    The maximum radiation exposure that a member of the public may have received from the evaporation was the equivalent of a day’s background radiation, GPU Nuclear said in a report on a website dedicated to the accident. "

    Must be the same genius scientist that concocted the plan to burn the radioactive debris in incinerators widely dispersed throughout
    Japan.

    Brilliant…what a clusterfu#k of psychopathic solutions!

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    Nuclear reactors are an extremely dangerous and stupid idea. The proof is in the pudding.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Wow, those UC Berkley professors are the epitome of how we got into this mess…

    Educated Idiots…

    Here's my simple humble solution.

    Massive, watertight tanks need to be built further inland to store this till it can be processed correctly.
    Pipe it there. Pump it there.
    How hard is that technology to accomplish? There has to be a simple level plain inland, not too far away. Less than 100 miles.

    What with all the heavy industry in Japan, why hasn't this been done yet?

    The culprits industries are right there, to be forced into a response to this.

    We have done greater projects for less of a reason than saving a planets essential Ocean.

    It's really a very simple engineering feat, albeit on a massive scale.

    Oh ya, it doesn't produce profit. Not like a medical industry in overdrive.

    There is no reason to dump it into the Ocean.

    • Jebus Jebus

      You could have the system built in 3 months, first tank and all.
      Do it right and it is almost bulletproof and would be relieving the storage space on site almost immediately.
      What's wrong with this idea?

      • ion jean ion jean

        Yeah, but I read on Fuku Diary how they used flanges tanks instead of welded steel…they fold together quick and use rubber seams…rubber against transuranics? So they don't know how to do it right, still trying to save a buck and fry a whole lot of chromosomes!

    • We Not They Finally

      The thing about "massive water-tight tanks" (MANY MANY MANY would be needed by now) is that any tanks they've already built were from spare parts from defunct factories, and up to no construction standard nor expected to last from the outset.

      "They" (though I haven't a clue who "they" might be in this highly corrupt international scene) need to force Japan into bankruptcy and use those funds to save the rest of us.

      Well, except maybe for that part about "Japan is the world's third largest economy" being shown up for the illusion that it is; the Nikkei Index crashing, likely along with the Dow; and the derivatives house of cards tumbling way down worse than 2008.

      Then everyone can claim poverty, and no money even to save millions of lives??

      It's a sad, sad, sad, sad world. But some international body MUST have the courage to commandeer SOME solution or we are probably all doomed.

      • We Not They Finally

        P.S. Jebus, there may be "nothing wrong with your idea" at all. But at this point, no one with any power seems to have the courage or morality to do it or any other massive attempt to save the world.

  • Japan has recently launched it's largest war ship since WWII.
    It has announced plans to build their next stage Large Hadron Collider. They want to host the Olypics. Areva in France has announced that Japan will restart 6 reactors by the end of the year to service their MOX fuel shipments.

    They have the money to do things they want.
    Someone or some computer program has decided that NOTHING will be done to help Fukushima Daiichi. Let if fall in the SEA.

    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      You forgot the billion dollar drill to the mantle of the earth.. I screamed about it for a while..

      I mean really, move your f***n drill over to fukushima and find the frickin coriums.. moreover, what could possibly go wrong with this genius idea?

      http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/137281-scientists-planning-1-billion-mission-to-drill-into-the-earths-mantle

    • And they just approved another 3% raise for the military, due to all of the kind stuff that they and the Chinese are getting into.

      All of this stimulates the economy you see.

      Hadron will employ at least 100 scientists

      Drilling will employ another 100

      The large warship, they REALLY need that, plus all of the MOX fuel from Areva.

      But money for cleaning up FUKU?

      Nope, just ran out.

      No can do, sorry.

      See the door, please exit the building.

    • We Not They Finally

      Wynd, they are bringing MORE MOX fuel into Japan? Who has the power to issue international arrest warrants? By the way, Yoichi Shimatsu makes a very good case that it was Shinzo Abe who had MOX fuel shipped to Japan in the first place — through the Cheney cabal.

      What is The Haag even for? The most egregious war criminals never seem to be prosecuted.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You are not smiling or planting sun flowers.

    If the cores have moved downward as has been suggested then there is no telling what is happening below this entire complex.

    If these cores have hit water or lava channels/veins/tubes then things could be spiraling out of control and could be bleeding directing into the ocean close to the plant and/or from entry points which could be miles away out in the ocean. If these cores are crossing separate veins/channels/tubes combining what is traveling in them lava/water etc. then things can even get more volatile

    Like the IV catheters previously discussed this may be a direct line slow IV drip now directly into the ocean and the water on the surface is considered a bother, but in no way will most of it be processed properly, since you can't process the whole ocean.

    Someone stated, I think sickputer, that the tanks are window dressing and simply a distraction for much worse events now taking place down below.

    Especially if parts of the ocean itself is now boiling as Nonukes pointed out in his link.

    Your idea is excellent but I think these guys are past the point of no return and its only a matter of time now… until Japan drops into the ocean.

    If they had a clue your idea would have been put into place 2.5 years ago..they did not care.

    Michio Kaku sated the cores evaporated when they were hit with the salt water and are no longer there…

    Time to call the Ghost..oops.. Nuke Busters!

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      Obewan.. yup, the core's are getting doused in seawater at every high tide.. this is evident from looking at the water level inspection chart on the other page the other day here..

      The storage tanks in the parkinglot might be window dressing, but it's still important to keep them from leaking by transferring the contents to both a tanker offshore then to big water pipeline to 10km further upland if and when that ever gets built.. a tankership can be filled utilized 2-days, just pick up the phone and order one there.

      Any further straight sloppy surface dumping is a very bad idea and no better than just shooting holes in the TEPCO-tanks.

      We have really good treatment technologies, so we can use every one of them..
      Graphene works very good for immobilizing/trapping/filtering solids from radwater.
      Zeolite is good for strontium and cesium.
      Electrolysis wins a lot of isotopes too.

      The uranium miners have tons of tech for extracting actinides from muck & water.. set them loose on Fuku.

      Any decision made need not be stalled in study-hall..
      Time is Tight, Make it Right, Make it NOW

      Hundreds of tasks must be done simultaneously, it's a higher calling and much more productive than war.

      No matter what happens, building a bigger better containment seawall is the best thing to do in the short term and in the long run.

      • kez

        Tepco seems closer to opting for the frozen underground wall .. at leeast as a temporary solution to stem the groundwater flow into the ocean. It's not as far-out tech as it sounds and has been used successfully before:

        http://www.technologyreview.com/news/518801/how-the-fukushima-ice-barrier-will-block-radioactive-groundwater/

        It could give them time enough to solve the tank storage problem. I find it very optiimistic at least. Pls try to read and consider without immediately dismissing the source.

        And as for the ocean boiling from coriums unleashed .. this is a photo credited to NHK and is undated and lacking the caption under which it was posted. Before everyone panics .. could we at least verify that. I don't see anything but another steam event myself. And I don't know anything about the blogger's credentials to verify any credibility that just cuz he says so .. it is.

        Thanks.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Thats one long boring 2.5 year meeting with this promising result/plan of action..they are/have been in Chaos over there it seems.

          Is the Nuclear Technology Industry suppose to be a promising industry of Chaos?

          • kez

            Obe .. sorry so sorry .. did you read in entire the article linked here by Admin?

            Did you read the link I posted?

            Did you consider all the evidence presented by the YouTube community that Pattie B is a fraud on so many counts.

            No .. I see not.

            Until you consider both sides .. fearlessly .. you have no objectivity ..and without objectivity you may have passion .. but lack credibility.

            Sorry again .. I still believe you have a very good heart.

            Take good care.

            Every experiment .. every idea that furthers mankind ..

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Kex,
              I read the article and yes they are desperate and yes they are in chaos.

              Just because we can as human's think up a way by creating a massive expensive long term jobs program to slow down this disaster and mitigate some of the end results does not warrant a solution to the overall problem.

              The problem is that this is a failed technology that we can not be properly control over the long term. 500+ of these Nuclear time bombs are ready to/or have the potential to go up/off whether we humans like it or not. These are facts and not fiction.

              I like the fact that they have come up with a potential solution of using the ice wall and/or at least that is something and better than nothing. Does this new solution mean we (mankind) must still embrace this current technology direction and my answer is still no and/or at least not in its present form or fashion. WE can do better than this. Instead we are running from one chaos event to the next chaos event on this planet, while millions are dying from varied cancers that should not be dying from cancer and which is truly horrible disease.

              The only problem I see is that at 95 feet and with the tectonic activity in this region assuming that there is solid base to build against is folly. Any sizable earthquake could shift/crack this base in heart beat just like what happened to those full proof nuclear core containments.

              So yes, it may give us some time until the next Nuclear Chaos Event occurs, but it is not a…

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                permanent solution.

                Best to prepare the proper international legal "Word Craft" doc and simply put this current technology to bed/rest and shut them all down.. now!

              • kez

                Read again Obe:

                *Several features make freeze walls better barriers than those fashioned from steel, concrete, or clay—alternatives that the Nuclear Regulation Authority’s panel considered and rejected. A key advantage cited by Phillips is the freeze wall’s self-healing capacity. For example, water flowing into cracks caused by an earthquake—an ever-present threat at Fukushima—would freeze to reëstablish the barrier. “That’s a really great asset,” says Phillip* ..

                There is no foolproof tech yet. We can only work step by step and buy time and hope.

                I find a viable method to stem fuku rad water in the ocean even if temporary exciting news and better than damn hand wringing and fear mongering.

                Or trading in a light saber for a camper buried underground to avoid imaginary dual suns and Planet X a la the real false flag prophet of doom .. who when he/she had a platform dumped this forum .. and chose only self promotion?

                Let's not waste any more time on this shall we? Fuku Facts or tin hats?

                I fucking hate the tin hat shit.

                Take care .. beware the pump and dump. Be true to yourself Obe.

                • flatsville

                  kez,

                  There's a subset here that have decided since it can't be fixed, no mamagement or potential remediation plan is good enough. They trade doomporn, engage in hand-wringing etc…some appear positively gleeful in their estimation that nearly everyone will die of cancer. They see themselves as "spiritual leaders" guiding the way to concsiousness, truth etc…Since there's nothing to be done, I wonder why they bother to post?

                  Moving people to inaction and stinkin' up the joint doesn't do much for those looking for solutions in the analog world.

                  If they truly believe it is all pointless and the truth needs to be told, they should be taking out ads in major newspapers, producing TV commercials, placing billboards to reach a wider audience since what is the point of money?

                  Their talents are wasted here.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    I really am surprised by both of your comments, Kez and you too Flats as they both are very shallow and with no foresight what so ever.

                    Kez,
                    Its great that you think they can fix this rotting stinking spewing Nuclear Radiation hole in the next 40+ years with some frozen wall. Pay attention as this is not good enough or fast enough for the world at hand and/or any of the people living in Japan or in the now diseased ecosystem this rotting, stinking, spewing hole is still damaging. You must look at the "Big Picture" and this is not about you or this particular stinking hole. Wake up!

                    Flats,
                    What are you thinking and are you just trying to hang around here hoping to pick up some/a new client(s) and/or litigants? Did they teach you such very narrow tunnel vision in your college courses? Tunnel vision is simply another word for a well defined rabbit hole my friend. You have been wasting your time it appears/seems with such tunnel vision and I will say it again, Its not about one or several identified victims, we here on Planet Earth are all now victims.get it? You need to wake up and raise the Bar my friend.

                    If every 4th time I came to your or flats house for dinner and each time you both cooked a big Turkey with the entire table laid out and dressed with expensive formal diner ware and then I showed up and took my hands and tipped/knocked this table over and then made you clean it up, would either of you be happy?

                    How many more times would you invite me to…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      ..to dinner before locking your door?

                      This is not progress.. this legal genocide. Stop Nuclear!

                      "You Are All Being Exterminated"

                      Is that above statement clear enough for you two?

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Flats,
                      Here are some real victims and litigants for you, over 200,000 strong, and all you have to do is pick up the phone book!
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima,_Fukushima

                      Flats, by the way shouldn't this page be a blank page now!

                      Kez,
                      Here, just for you are some pictures of your progress. I really think you need to grab a dictionary and look up he definition and then read it. There does exist a definition for each and every word (s) we humans use.

                      Be smarter.. will ya! Become smarter! Be smart!
                      http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=fuksuhima+japan+now+a+ghost+town&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#psj=1&q=fukushima+japan+now+a+ghost+town&rls=en

                      Enjoy!

                      P.S. Flats, That river bed diagram you are looking for must be some kind of Top Secret information! A Word Crafted document specifically designed for the Nuclear Industry.

                    • kez

                      OK Obe .. I like you. So won't tread on your hallowed ground that we are doomed all lost hopeless.

                      You can claim complete domination of that terrritory.

                      I can't go there anyway. Allergies or something and makes my head hurt and my stomach cramp up ..

                      Then for some odd reason I get weepy for my kids ..

                      I will stay on the other side of the line.

                      Take best care.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Kez,
                      Never said such a statement and here we are right back at the root of the problem ..comprehension skills. I like you too! 🙂

                      You "are aware" of what your and my children will be inheriting and at least that is a very good start.

                      We will work on the rest later…

                  • kez

                    Flats .. thanks. Yep .. a lot of brain cells wasted as if they were following a soap opera mentality.

                    As the world turns .. this is what is supposed to happen next .. but there is a disconnect of denial in spite of their words here .. that it's real ..

                    Real people are actually seeking real answers to fix it ..

                    But the drama of the world ending wo any hope of changing it and all are corrupted and liars ..

                    Appartenly keeps their hearts pumping .. and to deny them their unhappy ending makes them all the more determined to defend their hopelessness.

                    Take care.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Kez,
                      The reason we are all in the Nuclear mess we have now is..lack of comprehension skills.

                      Nothing has been fixed and I will have to revert back to my dear old friend and Einstein's definition of insanity.

                      It must be a contagion..

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          One of the problems I see..is that at least a partial wall was tried…and failed.

          Fukushima's 'chemical wall' fails to protect Pacific Ocean

          http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/08/07/Fukushimas-chemical-wall-fails-to-protect-Pacific-Ocean/UPI-66481375885797/

          According to MIT..(lost the article..darn it)..the wall is to reach the impermeable layer.
          They completely fail to acknowledge fault movement..in the area…through the area…the reported fracturing of the aquifer/groundwater is upwelling ..or the fact that a triple melt through will change the local geology.
          This impermeability..concerns water ..not corium.
          There is no impermeable layer to meet.
          The plan is to divert flow..but how so if the groundwater is coming up directly below?
          The west wall looks like it is being placed between natural geology and build up…can't see that working well.
          And..I'm still not sure..that this untried technology will not increase the chances for ground failure within the walls.

    • i'm surprised about dr.kaku's explanation….
      however, i'm not qualified to argue with him…
      do you think such a thing is actually possible?
      oh well…..

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Wynd,

        I am not sure if that is possible, but I highly doubt it, and he may have made that statement because someone else told him such things and/or no one at the time had clue if the cores where there or gone.

        If we are getting increased radiation readings now and some pictures of boiling water in the ocean, then the cores did not evaporate as he stated, and/or something else was stored in those basements and what was there were not nuclear cores but something else still very radioactive.

      • We Not They Finally

        EVAPORATED? That makes no sense, especially since it's way underground. Maybe he meant that the cohesiveness of it DISINTEGRATED — but that's hardly the same thing as going away. In fact, it sounds all the more dangerous. The parameters of hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel broken up, has to be even worse than hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel in cohesive blobs, yes?

        It's all of it a nightmare, but it seems like anything ever done about it has made it worse.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      +++es, bunches of +++++es

  • This is an outright LIE!!!

    “There are really only a few ways you can get rid of it,” Friedlander said. (nuclear engineer)

    Radiation 'decontamination' is a *misnomer.
    FACT: It is impossible to 'get rid' of radiation contamination.

    You can move it, bury it, run from it, spread it around, but it DOES NOT STOP.

    A single particle of cesium or strontium remains HAZARDOUS to life for at least 300 years.
    (PLUTONIUM… thousands of years)

    I guess it's finally becoming clear to some that there is NO SOLUTION to the waste created by these DNA destroying Death Machines.

    *misnomer: a wrong or inaccurate name or designation.

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    "Boiling" is the word of the week. This is UCB's way of telling their friends that the corium is already boiling away the ocean.

    Photos
    nuckelchen posted this on the webcam thread http://i.imgur.com/7XPGZat.jpg

    http://fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/is-fukushima-emergency-yet.html?m=1

    The Aug 20th event looked like it happened out in the ocean, beyond the reactors on the webcam

    Wotcha's link http://m1310.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/Wotcha1/Fuku20thAug2013v1_zpsb209dafc.jpg.html?o=4

    Pure water's screen shots of the Aug 20th event:

    http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/porewater4/media/200817_zpsaad

    These were all posted on our webcam thread http://enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-june-30-2012-present

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      NN,

      RE the Boiling; could that be why all the Rad meters have been elevated?

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        newsblackoutUSA,

        The spikes in radiation just keep coming. It could be from the boiling, water as a moderator, or from somewhere else.

        "Neutron moderator
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        In nuclear engineering, a neutron moderator is a medium that reduces the speed of fast neutrons, thereby turning them into thermal neutrons capable of sustaining a nuclear chain reaction involving uranium-235.
        Commonly used moderators include regular (light) water (roughly 75% of the world's reactors), solid graphite (20% of reactors) and heavy water (5% of reactors).[1] Beryllium has also been used in some experimental types, and hydrocarbons have been suggested as another possibility."
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator

        nuckelchen's links about recent spikes in Japan:
        http://i.imgur.com/5wXFAzd.png
        "high" spike in koori-town
        http://i.imgur.com/8Jg0tej.png

        some more places around didn't looks better on todays monday morning too…
        http://oku.edu.mie-u.ac.jp/rad/

    • Jebus Jebus

      Thank you NoNukes,
      If this is really the heat generated from a corium melt, into the Earth, it makes perfect sense as to the recent MSM "revelations", the water leaks diversion, the webcam blackouts, the steam phenomena on the webcams, the pukers ramp up in website comments, and the diversion of the sarin gas far away. Logical, and perfectly true. The light is shining strong.
      I believe we have had our third and final(?) corium escape into the environment. Just think about a fiercely hot corium that won't quit generating heat because there is no way to keep exiting neutrons from knocking other neutrons loose in an expnonential frenzy of atom splitting. It's all fission, right down to just two atoms close to each other and one's decay neutron colliding with another, knocking it loose. The heat generated from these collisions is nothing more than friction at work on a massive scale. Why do you think they call it decay heat, even if control rods are in place. Fission, knockin neutrons loose, happens even when these behemoths are supposidly under control. The continued friction of fission has to be making the area around these wrecks hotter and hotter. Enough to bring the sea to a boil. We had this same scenario in Jan 2012. The coriums are loose and it has the owners in a state of OH Shit! that can not be denied. Their OH Shit! is our call to step up the scream of survival for all life.
      This is our destiny above all else. Nothing else matters anymore…

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Do you think Fuku is what Janet Napolitano was talking about;

        "The outgoing Homeland Security Secretary has a warning for her successor: ….a natural disaster — the likes of which the nation has never seen — is also likely on its way."
        http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/outgoing-dhs-secretary-janet-napolitano-warns-of-serious-cyber-attackunprecedented-natural-disaster/

        • Jebus Jebus

          He knows already, the number has been disconnected…

          The entire population is disconnected also…

        • Jebus Jebus

          I think Janet could not mention Fuku at all or her new "appointment" would be moot. Don't fuck with those nuclear dollars…

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Massive preparations are being made for something and I sure wish I could just go print money in my garage anytime I needed it and/or wanted to spend it.

          Best to prepare for what ever might comith this way!

        • Kassandra

          I wondered that also, but Fuku is 'man' made, not natural at all

          What could she have been talking about and why would she say such a thing?

          Her comments about an imminent disaster were clearly a strong warning, but for what?

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            There is still banter on the web about planet X coming in and placing undo stress on the tectonic plates through gravitational pull. Rumor is its very dense and has already affected some of the planets in the outer solar system and PattieB has covered most of it already.
            http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=planet+X&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#psj=1&q=planet+X&rls=en&tbs=qdr:h

            There are also rumors of a pole shift occurring in the next several months when the sun's poles flip. That could be bad or not, since no one here has been through a pole shift on Earth.
            http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=sun+polar+flip&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

            Lots of activity all over the Earth, sink holes, cracks, fissures, earthquakes and volcano eruptions indicate something is changing either in the core or with the outer crust movement. This opens up a whole can of worms of different possibilities.
            http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=cracks+sink+holes+fissures&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

            Since there is so much activity they might just be getting prepared for what ever comith this way, but if its bad, I really do not think we would be told since that would create to many sheeple banging up against the corral boards/rails and that would also be bad for any potential right now tax collections…

            Best just to prepare for what ever "comith this way" and we already know about the radiation and yes its already here and still comith this way…

            • We Not They Finally

              Even global warming is affecting ALL the planets by now — a huge ring on Jupiter disappeared, Mercury is losing its magnetic field, Venus is heating up, etc. Mankind just makes whatever is happening on Earth WORSE.

              Neil Degrasse Tyson (head of the NY Planetarium) lamented that we actually do have the technology for the likes of asteroid deflection, but that not a dime is being put into implementing it!

              There seems to be little common will for planetary survival. It's like however many people want humanity to go in a less destructive collective direction — and I think that there are A LOT — we shouldn't use denigrating words like "sheeple" — a large proportion of that is CHILDREN!! — but however many people want us all to go a better way, that does not seem to be where the POWER lies.

              It's a terrible dilemma. I grew up in the sixties, where at least the common will MEANT something, ACHIEVED something. Where has that all gone?

              • Anthony Anthony

                The *alternative* scientific rationale for other solar bodies changing also points to Planet X theories where simply, there are two suns in play in the same solar system. I am wondering what temperature indications will be (for us) when it is closer to our planet and sun?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Well I guess then you need to call the President and then inform the entire population that:

    "You Are All Being Exterminated!"

    Use lysol on that phone first..just to make sure.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Just can't imagine what its like for a fish swimming near this Nuclear Power Plant. Lots of tingling no doubt or would it feel like thousands of tiny knives? But then they can't talk to us can they..so sad! 🙁

  • We Not They Finally

    What exactly, is the intersection point between a genius and a moron? Aside from the INSANITY of deliberating releasing 330,000 tons worth of radioactive steam into the atmosphere, he says it took two years at TMI to boil off about 8,000 tons and this is 330,000 tons. Ummm…. that would be 41 years — but wait! Every 2-1/2 years there is 330,000 MORE tons of radioactive water. So now we are up to 656 years…

    Aw shucks, why don't we just go for the OTHER "reasonable alternative" and dump it into the sea? No harm done[???!!!!]

    You see, scientists have thought this one through….

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, it appears they have..

  • kez

    And please please .. take the time to click Admin's link to read the entire article before responding to snippets taken out of their original context .. it often and does in this care present a whole different picture.

    Please.

    Be smart.

    Take care.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Surely during the first day of class and orientation they should all be handed varied vials of chemo therapy medications, a dozen or so catheter bags with designer matching IV's and then a few sizes of varied sharp knives/scalpels.

    After a brief instruction period concerning the use and purpose of these new mandatory course items, they should be expected to cut a check immediately for $250,000 for 10 years of prepaid medical insurance premiums, and then of course after the check is received and/or this dollar amount is added to their tuition bill, then you can give them their books and ipads.

    A little in their face "Shock Therapy" might be very refreshing for all the next generation of freshman Nuclear Technology students.

  • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

    I think they should bottle the water and sell it to the professors at Berkeley since they think it is harmless.