Report: 1.68 µSv/hr detected in Canadian rain water sample — Geiger counter display reads “DANGEROUS RADIATION BACKGROUND”

Published: July 18th, 2011 at 10:43 pm ET
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Dangerous Radioactive rain in Lake Louise, BC, connectingdots1, July 18, 2011:

At 3:30 in

  • Radiation detector displays: “Dangerous radiation background”
  • Max. reading: 1.68 microSieverts/hr

Published: July 18th, 2011 at 10:43 pm ET
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129 comments to Report: 1.68 µSv/hr detected in Canadian rain water sample — Geiger counter display reads “DANGEROUS RADIATION BACKGROUND”

  • theypoisonus

    Gosh, you would think that by now, with all the rainfall in the NW, Wyoming, The Dakotas, etc. that it would have rained-out alot of that stuff. :(


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  • Lawnmowerman

    It does not “rain out” 3 buildings that blew their full contents into the air.Number 3 was MOX Fuel.As we are seeing now,the radiation has now moved into the food chain in Japan.If your from Japan and reading this “if” you can move to southern Japan and if your buisness has openings overseas take it.I would take it for less pay if i had to.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      The radiation is also being continuously emitted, theypoisonous. New reinforcements, you might say, are arriving all the time on the jet stream.


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    • santacruzelf

      If I was in Japan I would make a raft out of bamboo if I had to- stick my family on it, and get the heck out. Japan may be uninhabitable, but at least if some of the Japanese people save themselves they will have the opportunity to carry their culture forward.


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  • Canada442

    Anyone know if high levels are worse in the air? or the rain?? because this guy’s Air reading showed “normal” levels


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  • goul

    Stop sayin it is dangerous, it isn’t!
    There is many places in the world where the radiation exceeds 0.2 microSv/h and there is no dead people reported!
    Also, this rain is a temporary event and radiations must be added for your entire life so sure it is NOT a problem.
    Please go to scientific data before making people fearing nothing!
    Thank you – for those that are leaving in Japan


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Show us your data that says it is not dangerous…Cause you are about to get a ton of data that says it is!


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Just read this website, and make the connection…


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        • fuckyoushima

          particles and background radiation are entirely different.

          the only comparison is to contrast agents in the hospital, also internal emitters, where my pm1208 recorded a patient reading 7usv/hr while i was holding his foot. granted, this was pure gamma and a short half life isotope which would not concentrate in vital organs.

          people who believe x-rays or background radiation are in any way comparable to internal emitters will die off and the only humans around will be the ones who understand they are completely different.

          busby apparently believes ambient air readings >1usv/hr are dangerously high for radioactive particles. this makes much more sense to me.


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      • goul

        Just click on a blue dot in the center of the France map: http://criter.irsn.fr/exercice/acteur/#anAnchor
        People there are not dying from these radiation levels.
        Btw, I’m leaving in Tokyo so be sure that I have documented myself on this (and that we get trainings from our govts – I’m foreigner)!


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        • Jebus Jebus

          Of course those levels will not kill them immediatly. Anyone educated knows that. But what about the horrendous cancers and other issues that will develop after time. What is your take on that?


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          • goul

            Buddy, have you ever dome your own calculation? Have you been speaking to people that is there job? Do you know about noise level and artificial one? Please stop saying things that of course I know and that are not improving the discussion. Y


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          • goul

            Buddy, have you ever dome your own calculation? Have you been speaking to people that is there job? Do you know about noise level and artificial one? Please stop saying things that of course I know and that are not improving the discussion. You want to come back with facts if you believe this is wrong. I am the only one providing data in that dumb discussion! Of course you could say eating burgers could kill you becoming too fat, but until which point can you grow fat to affect your body? This is the kind of questions you want to answer instead of being frighten by the question itself without trying to answer it!


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          • Jebus Jebus

            You obviously have not appled yourself to the issue.

            Shirley you are a shill…
            And don’t call me buddy! ;)


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          • Fall out man!

            The “other issues” are a bigger deal than the cancer. Birth defects, genetic decay, diseases of every part of the body. According to Christopher Busby in his recent talk to the Japanese, those Japanese living with in 200km of Fukushima can on average expect a 10 year reduction in lifespan, based on what was seen at Chernobyl. He called it “competing causes of death” , so that people die young enough that they don’t die of cancer. Heart disease will be a big killer. Certainly in the Ukraine they have “chernobyl heart” , “chernobyl stomach” , etc. Once 80% of kids were health problem free in the Ukraine. Since Chernobyl, only 20% can be described as health problem free. They have things like rashes, asthma, allergies etc. All signs of genetic damage. Damage that will be carried down the generations.

            Check this out on what cesium does for your genome…
            http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl

            Radiation damages the genetic code. Those eating food or drinking water that is contaminated damage their genome. Cesium hits the flesh and is the worst for grotesque birth defects, strontium targets the bone and radioactive iodine the thyroid. As you say, internal emitters are the most deadly. They stay with a person for life once consumed. Slowly destroying their genome. That genetic damage is passed to future generations. There is no coming back from that. In Belarus some people think that Chernobyl will ultimately wipe out the country by those means. Its very serious. Most mutations are not detectable and natural selection cannot act upon them, but they build up, and weaken people in general. Each mutation is not damaging enough to be selected upon, but the accumulated effect is serious. The mutations just build up. Think about what that means. This disaster could be the end of Japan. The cost in lost productive lives is staggering.

            Then consider the still births and the lowered birth rate, something that Enenews has published before. There are higher still birth rates around all nuke plants, let alone ones that have had a melt through. After Chernobyl there was a 45,000 baby drop in the number of live births in California for that year. That’s huge.

            The nuke industry literally are “baby killers”.
            http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/nwEJS.html#C3P61

            And if this video doesn’t hammer that message home nothing will. Here a bird scientist explains how Chernobyl fallout wiped out an entire generation of birds on some Californian mountains that got rain after Chernobyl blew up. He also touches on the impact on people…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hcBGSr9QGk

            Think about the implications of an average 10 year reduction in lifespan for so many people within 200 km around Fukushima. Fallout causes mutations. We usually cannot see that genetic damage, but it builds up. Each generation has on average 60 more mutations than the last. Eventually, without intervention from God. Mankind would die out through genetic decay alone. Fukushima has just increased the rate of that genetic decay. Its hard to think of something more serious than that. Sure, radiation will not “kill people” outright, but it does bring mankind, and every other kind of creature closer to extinction.

            If particles are coming over Canada, and the water supply is contaminated, that is very serious, and people should take steps to protect themselves. Radioactive fallout is far more serious than people realize. It does genetic damage. Damage that stays with us generation after generation.

            Note that 25 years after Chernobyl, some farms in the Scottish highlands have only just been told they can start selling sheep they produce there again. It rained in the highlands just after Chernobyl. The land has been contaminated so much you cannot eat food off it for 25 years. Scotland is a long way from Chernobyl. At least the English were honest enough to stop the food being sold. Is the Canadian government that honest? Or would they sooner see bad food sold than admit their is a financially costly problem?

            http://beforeitsnews.com/story/505/601/Scottish_Sheep_Farms_finally_free_of_Chernobyl_Fallout.html

            CANADA WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! The nuke industry is killing you!!!!!!!!!!!

            Note that if Canada’s food and rainwater was tested properly, some of it would be found unfit for human consumption. The financial cost might wake a few people up, but tragically it seems the loss of lives matters not one jot.


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        • Excellent Post Fallout Man!

          Thanks!


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        • milk and cheese milk and cheese

          You should indeed be ‘leaving’ Tokyo.


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        • Darth

          @ Goul,

          Are you aware of this documentation concerning the situation in France?

          210 uranium mines, the residue materie´l spread on roads, sports stadiums, parking lots… Most local roads now radiate all around France. This is the first part in a long series on the subject.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHvnmcaOnCU


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        • Agapit

          goul is ignoring the difference between internal and external radiation exposure. It’s true that there are many places in the world with natural background radiation much higher than that in Tokyo today. However, this natural background radiation exposes a person from the outside only.

          Before the Fukushima disaster the background radiation in Tokyo was around .04 μSv/hr (correct me if I’m wrong). Today it’s ten times that in many parts of the city. That means 90% of the radiation in those places comes from Fukushima and is in the form of gases and suspended particles in the air and on the ground. These gases and particles enter the body by being breathed in. Isotopes in the soil get into the food grown in that soil, which is ingested by humans. The resulting internal exposure is far more dangerous than the external radiation measured by geiger counters; certain isotopes remain in the body for life.

          Thus geiger counter measurements are meaningful only when comparing the change in a given place over time. Just blindly comparing background levels between different places is meaningless.


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          • goul

            THank you for your answer, it is interesting. I know the difference between internal and external radiation. Please find again this link: http://criter.irsn.fr/exercice/acteur/ and choose the JPN point. The background radiation in Tokyo is the one before the 13th of March since the cloud didn’t reach it at that time… and it is 0.06uSv/h. The measure right now is 0.08uSv… i.e. 0.02uSv/h of artificial radiation, far from the 0.1uSv/h authorized by international regulations ;-)


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          • arclight arclight

            hi agapit and goul, looks like your having a techie talk! cool! cant add much myself but i let the lads at CRIIRAD do the work…there are loads of links on the CRIIRAD site and technical jargon some in english and others french
            http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/radiation-risks-fukushima-longer-negligible-news-503947

            eu web report
            The risks associated with iodine-131 contamination in Europe are no longer “negligible,” according to CRIIRAD, a French research body on radioactivity. The NGO is advising pregnant women and infants against “risky behaviour,” such as consuming fresh milk or vegetables with large leaves.
            In response to thousands of inquiries from citizens concerned about fallout from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Europe, CRIIRAD has compiled an information package on the risks of radioactive iodine-131 contamination in Europe.

            The document, published on 7 April, advises against consuming rainwater and says vulnerable groups such as children and pregnant or breastfeeding women should avoid consuming vegetables with large leaves, fresh milk and creamy cheese.

            The risks related to prolonged contamination among vulnerable groups of the population can no longer be considered “negligible” and it is now necessary to avoid “risky behaviour,” CRIIRAD claimed.

            there is a problem that the same types of labs in canada refused to test where as CRIIRAD did it anyway, it resulted in an EU wide notification that was not reported by the press! link supplied to original web page of EU active hope this is useful
            peace


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      • arclight arclight

        just thought id take this moment to remind everyone of the nuclear department universities in canada that refused to test soil and air samples
        heres the link
        http://enenews.com/canadian-newspaper-soil-tested-radiation-private-companies-govt-agencies-universities-all-refused-involved
        and here are those naughty universities (dont forget to write to them explaining why they didnt do the testing? the responce could be predictable but interesting!)
        Canadian University Nuclear Programs
        Top of Page
        • McMaster University – Nuclear Engineering
        • CANTEACH
        • Nuclear Technology Diploma
        • McMaster Nuclear Reactor
        • University of Ontario Institute of Technology
        • School of Energy Systems and Nuclear Science
        • University of Toronto – Chemical Engineering Department
        • Environmental Nuclear Science
        • Simon Fraser University – Nuclear Science Minor
        • University of New Brunswick – Centre for Nuclear Energy Research
        • Industrial Research Chair in Nuclear Engineering
        • Royal Military College – Chemistry & Chemical Engineering
        • École Polytechnique – Institut de génie nucléaire
        • Hydro-Quebec Chair in Nuclear Engineering
        peace


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    • arclight arclight

      wish you were right….bioaccumulation! heading to a supermarket near you soon!! (ceasium will be around for three hundred years as long as theres no more “incidents”) :(
      peace


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      • arclight arclight

        i should qualify by mentioning internal emmitter and genetic damage! and that just about sats it all the rest is a waiting game :( peace


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      • arclight

        You seem knowledgable. Is it ok for my kids to drink milk?

        My understanding was that Iodine-131 was the biggest risk for milk (Gunderson) but perhaps Cesium is as well?

        If so, I wonder if our milk IS safe?


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        • arclight arclight

          that would depend on where you are and the level of contamination…personally in the uk i minimize my milk intake… but children need calcium! i would say that in japan i would not be drinking milk, in usa, canada and europe try to minimize it but eat apples, they do not take up ceasium readily, they need to be washed thouroughly especially around the wood….apple pectin with skin is a good way of removing heavy metals…avocadoes are good for kids as they have every mineral etc that the human body needs and get them from a southern hemisphere source..so to not really answer your question but kind off!!?? the kids can not avoid animal fat in this society but with a healthy diet underlying this it will be better for them…unless youve stocked up on prefukushima food you and everyone are going to have to adjust our lives at least in small ways to mitigate the effects…i like milk in my tea, i think thats why im having a hard time answering this…its like asking a happily junked up junkie if heroin is ok! lolol


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          • arclight arclight

            oh and as theres lactose intolerant people around that you might google that term to inquire about alternatives to milk? hope that helps? tell us what you find perhaps? peace


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          • Thank you very much arclight.

            We live in AZ. Southern Cal and AZ (even more so) are hit hard when the jet stream moves south. It is north most of the time but when it goes down it stays for awhile…

            I had my first milk last week. Oh I loved it so much I want to go back (2% organic).

            My kids will and have been drinking almond milk. We tried everything–soy, rice, almond–and almond tastes most “real” but does not come in organic yet!

            It is hard to know what foods to totally avoid. We avoid all berries now. I ate cherries but figured that they would be radiated so banned the kids from them.

            It is like moving in the complete dark…


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          • arclight arclight

            would i be correct in saying rasberries are lower contaminant oriented like apples? anyone?


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          • I thought all berries are particularly contaminated with Cesium…?

            UC Berkeley’s studies keep finding that….


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          • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

            The infamous Cali. avocados!

            http://www.avocado.org/

            Please check all food labels for country or state of origin.

            Thank you. arclight. I, too, like milk in my coffee and tea and I really miss dairy. :( I’ve been drinking coffeemate for the longest time and I swear it’s making me sick.

            I read somewhere that raspberries did not absorb radiation.


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        • @ majia
          Iodine-131 is only one off the Isotopes that fall on the grass for the cows to eat, you do understand that right !
          The other Isotopes carry a longer higher risk of other cancers and leukemia !


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          • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

            I have had a hard time wrapping my head around the reality that some (or a lot) of my food is now dangerous to eat.

            I have reduced my milk intake some, but not all. And I can’t seem to resist the fresh summer fruit, so cheap and delicious in Ca right now. Not to mention long bike rides on the new road bike I bought toget me through the summer here…

            I bought a large amount of liquid zeolite, and take it daily. I alos make and drink kombucha daily, a drink that was reported to help the Eastern Europeans during Chernobyl.

            Does anyone know how much zeolite helps,for both contamination from food and also from breathing in hot particles? I sometimes wonder if it’s helping, or if it’s just making me feel safer to take it.

            I especially can hardly imagine staying indoors during the summer months…sometimes I do, thinking of the radiation, but then I start to feel like a recluse…and unfortunately, gas masks are not in fashion this season…


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        • milk and cheese milk and cheese

          Anne is right. Milk isn’t that healthy anyway.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Please correct my math. I really do hope you can show how badly I am off:
      1.68~vSv/hr — times X
      24 hrs =
      40.32v~Sv/day — times X
      30 days =
      (1,209.60 v~Sv/month — which equals about 1.2mSv/month) which:
      1.2mSv/month — times X
      12 months =

      =14.4mSv/year

      Or more than twice the background radiation in Idaho. More than 7 Xs background radiation at sea level. And just a little more thasn 2 CT scans in a year.

      Of course we know it doesn’t rain everyday, or have a contributing jet stream every day, but—

      Either correct my math, or change your mind about the danger. After all, TEPCO cited math errors in their initial readings also.


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      • are you implying the levels are not that dangerous by comparing exposure to 2 CT scans?

        If so, CT scans can cause cancer–even 1 of them if the individual is unlucky.

        Second, CT are sources of external exposure for a limited period of time. No comparison to an inhaled alpha particle that emits even after your body is gone….


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        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          Absolutely not, majia. I am responding to the person earlier on the thread who was ridiculing many of us for thinking this is dangerous. Was it GOUL?

          I am saying, THIS IS DANGEROUS.

          CT SCANS ARE VERY DANGEROUS.

          But also, according to Arnie Gundersen, geiger counters don’t measure the internal emitters either, which means that these geiger counts are just the tip of a very scarey iceberg.


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          • Gottcha Dharmasyd

            What a mess.

            by the way, goul is following the troll profile…

            Never heard of him before. Very aggressive…


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          • Jebus Jebus

            Majia,
            Any intelligent individual reading just this enenews thread, has enough coherent information, to determine that any radiation, internal or external, is not beneficial to life on this planet.
            I agree, goul is a troll.


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    • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

      …”Also, this rain is a temporary event and radiations must be added for your entire life so sure it is NOT a problem.”

      Goul, the rain is a temporary event you say, but the radioactive particles in the rain are not. They dont go away just because it stops raining. Some of the isotopes will be in circulation for your entire life so sure it IS a problem.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      Goul, this posted too far down…but…
      you should be ‘leaving’ Tokyo. I’d have left a long time ago.

      I don’t believe anything your Government says ( or mine for that matter) about ‘safe’ levels of radiation.

      I also don’t believe you.


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Goul – You are a god damned fool. Beef, it’s what’s for dinner. Pig out…


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    • goul

      I owe you apologies, I didn’t read correctly the figure. This is 1.xx uSv/h and not 0.1xx uSv/h that I read. This is then for sure very high, sorry for that…
      FYI, in Tokyo I measure 0.11 uSv/h these days


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    • J.F. Sebastian

      You don’t see the dead bodies because they are declared dead from cancer, various immune diseaeses, etc., and buried. You go on thinking everything is normal and continue living your media-generated fantasy life. You took the blue pill while some of us, who’ve taken the red pill, live in the real world. The Matrix movie analogy is a necessary irony. LOL


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  • I am not surprised, LQQk at this stream and it has been like this much of the time !
    http://www.weatherimages.org/data/imag192.html

    Dangerous is sitting on the side of a rain-slick curve on an Interstate Highway at night as well, can take you out faster then the radiation !

    And I had to get caught in a gully washing downpour Friday !

    : |


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  • bfly

    Anne!Dr. Cousens work is truly inspirational!right with you on the vegan thing!


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  • shaktasna999

    For those that are splitting hairs as to the quantities that will make people sick:

    The leak in Fukushima has not stopped. It has no ETA for stopping. It’s earliest ETA is possibly Spring 2012.

    So…now pick whatever level of exposure that makes you comfortable and add the next six months(minimum) onto it in terms of daily wind, water(rain), and crop related exposure.

    So at the very least people globally have six more months of daily exposure. This is not counting any more tsunamis, earthquakes, typhoons, or weather events that will spread the contamination.

    This is also noting that no government has a solution to clearing the contaminants from the oceans or crops.

    There is no end to this.


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  • Mark

    OK why level goes up as he drives inland?
    what is 1.68microseiverts mean exactly? Being rained onto a playground or lake water supply how does this accumulate.

    What would be the type of detector you would be buying right now?

    Peace Love God Bless Mark


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    • Jebus Jebus

      All in one day…
      Five hot particles fall from sky onto algae on pond in one hour.
      Five tadpoles eat one hot algae particle each.
      Smallmouth bass comes along and eats two hot tadpoles.
      Catfish comes along and eats three other hot tadpoles.
      Osprey comes along and eats hot smallmouth bass.
      Raccoon comes along and catches hot catfish.
      Osprey gets electrocuted from powerlines and coyote comes along and eat’s hot dead osprey carcass.
      Raccoon gets hit by car and coyote finds and eats hot dead raccoon later that evening.
      Now coyote has five hot particles in his system.
      It goes on and on…
      Not trying to be condescending, just keeping it simple.


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  • Bob Hardin Bob Hardin

    Back to the topic of elevated radiation at Lake Louise, why isn’t radiation more evenly distributed, like smog? Why does it cluster in some areas and not others?


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  • Nukeholio

    The level went up, not because he drove inland, but because radioactive particles tend to come down with rainwater.


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    • arclight arclight

      as clouds move inland the topography rises and pushes up the clouds this causes it to rain…also, i believe that there will be different layers of fallout and some of these layers are low enough to increase the readings in the air, and i think wind speed had something to do with dry air readings..also some clouds have more particulates in than others they take longer than normal to form as the raindrops get bigger, this will allow for a more chaotic spread of fallout with differing strengths of contamination…now im off to make dinner (cheese, low in iodine i hope? slightly salted with ceasium, quaffed with apple juice concentrate stuff again !!)…maybe i will give this some thought?


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      • crystalwind crystalwind

        There seem to be isolated safer areas. Verde Valley in Arizona was relatively “clean” until it rained. The weather pattern causes the affected rain to flow north and south but not rain in the desert valley. When Phoenix local milk showed up contaminated, produce grown in Verde Valley remained “clean”. I have heard, although this is not confirmed yet, that Strauss Family Creamery in Marshall, California has been producing “clean” dairy products. If this is true, this might be another isolated, relatively untouched area. My thought is there might still be places that have not been affected as badly, where the food is still good.


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        • arclight arclight

          it is very likely but until governments start soil sampling en masse we will never know! a geiger counter is not good enough but can give a general idea…but they are supposed to use projects like nilu to find the best places to start testing!! and as noted above the people equiped to do the testing in canada are refusing to do any soil sampling at least in this growing season!


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          • arclight arclight

            i suppose you cant talk about canada and agriculture without mentioning the most water intensive crop …cannabis production, which i hear is rather big over there! do i take it that citizens of the usa are now smoking this evil radioactive weed?
            in fact is connecting the dots smoking this diabolical self igniting spliff? if he left his stash under the car seat so he could blame the passenger and forgot about it when chomping on a TMI hersheys bar…maybe that was what was giving the HIGH readings? huh? just trying to connect the dots here guys?? maybe there was no rain at all it was just dribble juice from lots of canadians with the munchies :)


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  • @falloutman and jebus not to leave out others:
    The discussion was sparkling re Canadian rain and bioaccumulation and the danger of internal emitters. Keep it up folks. Just brilliant work for all who want to be free from artificial radiation from fission during manmade natural disasters- both during normal operations and otherwise. Coal pales into insignificance when efficiency of energy use and goods produce use are simultaneously maximised. A quake at the heart of a coal fired plant produces a whimper but at a nuke : see the discussion above abd by goul -it makes you sheepish and will ya correct yourself brother?


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  • it should be efficiency of goods produce use…


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  • odylan

    Those early radiation cloud models were always showing the radiation coming over Alaska to and then down to Canada by Vancouver – so I am wondering if anybody knows the situation up there in Alaska.


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  • matina matina

    Fall out man!

    Unfortunately Chernobyll is still leaking

    Last week the world community, spurred by the nuclear crisis at Japan’s Fukushima plant, pledged $780 million to help build a new containment shell over the stricken reactor at the Chernobyl site to replace a makeshift one that has begun to leak radiation.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42760861/ns/world_news-europe/t/years-chernobyl-still-leaking-radiation/


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    • odylan

      The “new containment shell” will also be only a temporary shell – it is only designed for 100 years of life – then somebody as yet unborn – will have to build another – and so on


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  • matina matina

    For anyone who thinks this can be over in a few decades:

    24 years to the day since it exploded, reactor Number Four at Chernobyl in Ukraine is still leaking radiation.

    Time, rain and stagnant water have weathered the concrete shield covering the site of the nuclear blast.

    Only security officials are allowed to enter the 30 kilometre exclusion zone around Chernobyl.

    Above 30 on the monitor indicates a dangerous level of radiation and here it is already showing 165

    http://www.euronews.net/2010/04/26/24th-anniversary-of-chernobyl/


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  • NukeisShit

    I kept following these discussion for a very long time, as a silent guest: however, I’ve been stirred to action by Mr. goul.
    I really like his approach to the issue of radiation exposure, because it follows step by step the guidelines prompted by nuke industry: an industry that is made to create profit, and not to benefit the human kind as a charitable association!
    A few days after the 11th of march, we begun to see on the web some tables purposely made to deceive, with a lot of scientific, sound data about the radioactive content of a banana, or of a chest x-ray. All these humbugs filled the mouth of the pro-nuke guys around the world for a few weeks, until they had been shut up by the sheer evidence of the japanese disaster.
    However, I had to discover the serious health implications of hot particles from Arnie, since newpapers were dumb about it.
    Hot particles are being sprayed day after day by uncontained 3 cores in full meltdown, and are accumulating in human bodies. Add to those inhaled poisonous chips all the stuff that will be swollen in food (the radioctive cows scandal won’t be alone for sure: what about fish, vegetables and so on?) and you’ll see that all the shit we are draining in our organism will have some effect, soon or late.
    I live in a country that had been seriously affected by Chernobil fallout….and all around me I can see a huge number of tyroid cancers. However, tough surgeons whisper to your ear that it’s because of Chernobil, no official statistics had been issued about this topic, making it easy for any goul to claim that there’s no scientific background for our complaints.
    Well: I think it’s pretty obvious that the pro-nuke lobby (which has some obvious connection with the military lobby, as you know) is extremely powerful. The unfolding plot of a massive media coverup is becoming more and more obvious….but….still some guys pretend we are not in danger, and keep accusing the anti-nuke crew of ignorance, just because we don’t trust anymore their fake discourses and their twisted “scientific” evidence.
    Sorry: I think we have no more room for rethorics in a world that is living the nightmare of a silent and invisible pollution, whose consequences will be clear very very soon, especially in Japan…


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    • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

      Hey, thanks for posting…nice to hear from someone new.

      I relate to what you are saying…I feel like the world we live already was horribly polluted, and now this on top of all the other pollutants is sure to shorten all our life spans…it makes me very sad.

      And of course, just like most industry-caused pollution, we will likely never know the full extent of the damage, and it will surely not be broadcast to the public. But we will all see it and feel it in our lives…


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        It’s always good to see NEW VOICES anywhere. Enenews is no exception. Thanks for posting – hope you continue to visit too.
        SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! Oops! Too late. :(


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  • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

    Radioactive particles and background radiation

    It is hard to imagine something that can’t be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt.

    Imagine an afternoon by a charcoal barbeque. The wind stirs the embers and a plume of sparkles rise to the air. The sparkles are hot and bright, but the total level of light seems unchanged and the temperature does not seem to have changed. Sophisticated instuments would be able to detect a slight increase in both luminosity og temperature. But if you stand in the path of the plume of sparkles and you get them directly on your skin, you will immediately feel that, even though they didn’t raise the background temperature or luminosity, they most certainly hurt on close contact. Now, imagine that these sparkles can’t be put out, they continue to burn. They can be carried away by the wind across the country, over the sea and even all around the world without burning out. The sparkles keep burning even in water or if eaten by a fish or cow and then later by you.

    If someone told you that these sparkles were harmless because they didn’t raise the background temperature or luminosity, you might get confused. Especially if they used all kinds of technical terms and different units of measurement, to measure the same thing. If experts were saying that sparkles were harmless and that they would dissapate in a short time you might relax and start believing them, returning to normal as if the sparkles weren’t even there.

    Of course the sparkles in this analogy are the radioactive particles released from a nuclear disaster. The background temperature and luminosity is the background radiation. The sparkles actually do decay and eventually they will stop glowing. There are different kinds of sparkles/particles. Some will stop glowing in a matter of months, others burn on for many, many years. They are not harmless. If they get in direct contact with you, if you eat or drink contaminated things, they will deliver a very high amount of radiation to the cells in your body, that they are in contact with, just like the sparkles from the charcoal barbeque. Allthough they cannot be sensed immediately by your normal senses, the particles are there! And as long as the Japanese reactors keeps spewing them out, there will be more and more of them.


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  • shadowfax

    I checked rainwater here in Brentwood Bay
    (half hour north of Victoria BC) starting last week and have not detected anything above background radiation.Victoria does get rain that we don’t though.I am getting a second Rad meter so I can compare the two.
    Would also note Lake Louise is at altitude 1757 meters(5800 ft)Jet stream altitude??


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    We all get to share. The entire Northern Hemisphere is contaminated. Some areas hit worse than others due to rainfall, but eventually, since this is a closed system, the radiation spreads to all areas.
    It’s in the Southern hemisphere because of the shifting jet stream and animals (whales and fish) that eat poisoned plankton, migrate, and excrete nuclear waste. When all is said and done we don’t know Jack about the ocean, and expecting anyone to find a way of ‘cleaning it up’ when it has been standard procedure to dump waste into it, is a bit hopeless.
    As for goul, your name is aptly chosen. It means a flesh eating demon, although you spelled it wrong. It also rhymes with fool.


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  • Darth

    We have entered the ARENA for a new kind of Olympic Games. Humanity has entered the extinction bottleneck. We are dead people walking. The winnower is winnowing – separating the wheat from the chaff – finding only chaff. It’s a slow motion train wreck that will play out in the many years ahead. You may fool yourself by fleeing to safe foods but radiation is too insidious – it will get you and your progeny in the end. It’s all over except for the infinite scream passing through Nature. GAME OVER! Homo Sapiens “blew” it. They have become Gods and now their new creations already begin to “bloom”.


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Faved, as we say at HP. Game over is right. DEAD MEN WOMEN CHILDREN FUTURE GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS OF DEFORMED, SICK AND DYING…walking until we’re all gone. :(


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    • Levite

      While it does seem a lot of the “incompetance” is contrived, and humanity will suffer for it, the race for survival does have some very well known ( in scientific circles) ways to “cheat” the “angel of death.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14745664

      ( peer reviewed study on apple Pectin and the Children of Chernobyl)

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948057

      Seabuckthorn ( in greek Hippophae Rhamnoides , in russian “Ablipicha”) and effects against ionizing radiation and DNA.

      Also good: Ginsing, Black Pepper, Ginger, vitamin D and C.

      So clearing out from the gut ( pectin or psyllium husk) and protection on the cellular DNA level (antioxidants /Seabuckthorn) makes your odds of survival and contribution to the gene pool more viable.

      Even this site is GUILTY of patting Japan on the back ( womans soccer announcement) when it needs a swift kick in the backside…and let’s include all the suckers who donated to a rich country like Japan. You should have saved your monies for your families, not for those who are part of the problem.

      If the “Evil Empire” ( U.S.S.R.) could cap Chernobyl in a few months, Japan ( with the assistance of the world for the right reasons) Should have had all the reactors encased in concrete from above and below.


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      • arclight arclight

        very interesting! thanks! couldnt resist this qoute as weve had discussions here about same..
        The study was a randomised, double blind placebo-controlled trial comparing the efficacy of a dry and milled apple-extract containing 15-16% pectin with a similar placebo-powder, in 64 children originating from the same group of contaminated villages of the Gomel oblast. The average 137Cs load was of about 30 Bq/kg bodyweight (BW). The trial was conducted during the simultaneous one-month stay in the sanatorium Silver Spring. In this clean radiological environment only radiologically “clean” food is given to the children. The average reduction of the 137Cs levels in children receiving oral pectin powder was 62.6%, the reduction with “clean” food and placebo was 13.9%, the difference being statistically significant (p <0.01). The reduction of the 137Cs load is medically relevant, as no child in the placebo group reached values below 20 Bq/kg BW (which is considered by Bandazhevsky as potentially associated with specific pathological tissue damages)


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Tweets of interest:
    “Another Kind of Fukushima?­” Asks Whistleblo­wer Robert Gilkeson
    http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/189777.html
    The true story behind Los Alamos National Laboratory
    http://www.presstv.com/usdetail/189688.html
    Author URGES we contact our reps, the U.N. and the WH asking for “immediate Nuclear Non-Prolif­eration Treaty compliance inspection­s of U.S. nuclear weapons facilities­.”


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Quote: estimated 500 million dollars had already been spent on the project.

      If they didn’t build the safety requirements for the waste.
      What happened to all that money??!!??


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        Alot of money…into POCKETS of the already RICH. Sick.


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        • WindorSolarPlease

          They still want more from, social security, medicare, and medicaid.
          Lets’ get the old and the sick..

          LETS’ NOT!!!!!!


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          • Whoopie Whoopie

            You know, nobody in their right mind would vote R in 2012, right? What worries me more than anything is DIEBOLD. They’ve done it before, they will do it again. Good God, they even had evidence that Walker’s win was messed with. They WILL try it again.


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          • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

            I’ve watched the posturing going on in DC over how to reduce the deficit. They obviously do not grasp the magnitude of anger on the day they cut social security rather than tax the rich or reduce military spending.

            It’s as though they live on another planet.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      The proposed Chemistry and Metallurgy Research Replacement Nuclear Facility (CMRR-NF) is an unnecessary $4.2 billion (B) boon to Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL).

      And as WindorSolarPlease points out:

      They still want more from, social security, medicare, and medicaid.

      And — it was one of the buildings in the CMRR complex at LANL that had a “small” fire during Las Conchas.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    BTW – a poster just posted that Entergy lost its bid for an injunction to keep running until its law suit is ended. Trial to start Sept.
    http://vtdigger.org/2011/07/19/entergy/
    I thought you’d like THAT!!


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      I would like for all Nuclear Plants to close and all the waste cleaned up and securely put away forever.

      This stuff is just to dangerous


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        As I have learned – since 3-11. Shit, I never even THOUGHT too much about Nuclear until then…ashamed to admit that. My eyes are wide open now boy. Shut them all down.


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  • Darth

    Japan to ban beef shipments from Fuku (only) – and yet contaminated rice hay is used all over the country. Go figure.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14181046


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      I saw that all over tweets about the beef. No mention of RICE? What is wrong with this picture?!?!


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      • Levite

        You betcha! Rice is the main staple of the Japanese diet, and an export ( in SAKI).

        Right after Fukashima 3/11/11, we bought all the saki I will likely every buy in my lifetime. ( not nearly enough in retrospect…I will miss my Koji !)

        I’m not sure I even trust manufactuers dates when it comes to post 3/11/11…so rice is best bought NOW.

        The best rice is aged “Super” Basmati from India, maybe a little arsenic rich, but ohh so tasty. :)

        Dont try and store brown rice in its original bag, it will go bad quick as it’s hull rots. White rice is best to stock up on.


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    • crystalwind crystalwind

      What to speak of the poor cows and other animals who don’t have a clue.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    I can never tell if you guys like me posting NEW stuff. I THINK you do. Sometimes I’ve gotten attacked for GOING OFF TOPIC (i/e this Post Canada). Maybe it was a Troll or something?:

    CBS? Really?!?! This is GREAT!
    Fukushima-type disaster inevitable in U.S.?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/19/earlyshow/main20080633.shtml


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  • odylan

    Earthquake
    5.4 at 15km depth
    19-07-11 01:38 UTC 31KM W OF FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Goul also has a Freudian slip X 2. He said, “I LEAVE in Japan”. Very profound–Yes,…LEAVE Japan,…good little goul, there’s hope for you yet,….


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  • arclight arclight

    kinda of topic but condidering the level of censorship around canadian nuke stuff i thought this might be appropriate, sort off..
    call me a bit paranoid but do you think that this sort of thing ….qoute

    “Taking a page from the BP pubic relations handbook, TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) and the Japanese government have downplayed the extent of the nuclear disaster at Fukushima Daichi, in which three of six nuclear reactors are in ongoing meltdown. According to Japanese nuclear engineer Naoto Sekimura, nuclear fuel rod meltdown at the damaged plants began only hours after the tsunami, and the situation has not been contained. There is still an ongoing threat of a total “China Syndrome” meltdown, and Japanese officials now say that the three damaged plants may possibly continue to emit uncontrolled radiation for another year.”
    From this link
    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/29/radiation-in-our-food/
    might have caused this sort of thing?…..qoute

    “Murdoch’s U.S. empire begins to ‘explode and unravel’ as long-time lieutenant Les Hinton resigns
    The claim came as Murdoch’s control over Fox and other cable channels appeared under increasing threat, with reports he could lose his television licences if found guilty of breaching anti-bribery laws
    And Attorney General Eric Holder piled more pressure on the News Corporation chief, as he confirmed the Justice Department is considering opening a formal investigation into whether the company tried to hack into the voicemails of 9/11 victims.”
    From this link
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015205/Rupert-Murdochs-US-empire-begins-unravel-Dow-Jones-chief-Les-Hinton-resigns.html
    food for thought! I mean they were the only ones doing that right? The police did not buy scanners for mobile phones and other journalists didn’t use this well known hack! Right…why Murdoch and why now! Might be worth congitating over!! G night!! Peace!


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    • arclight arclight

      i actually wanted to see if i could find similar articles in the news of the world and i couldnt even find it on google cache! like it never existed nearly…spooky!


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  • Awake

    Cmon guys, you have to hand it to the goul; he is one of those who WONT get sick because they question things, that only happens to those who are unhappy and question their govt! :) :):0


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  • Awake

    PS I took readings all over BC and the average was about .12 with the highest levels at.29 in a rain catch bucket in Williams Lake. Lower Mainland is around .12-.16. Could be worse…could be better. I uses the new SOEKS for readings: http://www.soeks.eu/


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  • Awake

    OH I also tested fresh garden veggies, fed with that same rain water, with the Nitrate tester and they read normal…sorry for being ‘spammish’


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

      Dear Awake:

      I also appreciate the input of your tests with this one specific Geiger Counter of unknown quality, in specific circumstances following unknown protocols. Geiger counters are not always very straight forward and these vary tremendously in quality. User ability to calibrate and interpret results also varies wildly. I would recommend calibration of Geiger counters by at least several knowledgable individuals per Geiger counter. I would do testing of samples as a group. I would not only on personal experience and a manual, even if one is a nuclear physicist, oneself. Under no circumstances should you feel, and I know you weren’t saying this and I don’t mean this as a criticism at all, assured that you are a) getting accurate measurements, b) measuring all emitters of radiation (alpha, beta, gamma) or c)that the testing sites you’ve personally tested are representative of the big picture. For example, one thing we’ve learned from Chernobyl is that higher mountain locations often received, when at a distance from the source of a nuclear explosion (euph. steam explosion) were the locations most likely to receive a higher radionuclide fallout concentration–see Switzerland, Italy, Turkey, Norway, in the maps of Chernobyl contamination.

      I am not claiming to know what the most accurate Geiger counter instrument would be, but would love to know a good website, publications or documents that evaluate the accuracy, in detail of these instruments so far still available to civilians who can afford them either individually or as groups making such a purchase. I also am not claiming to know how to calibrate these specifically to be sensitive to the dozens of radionuclides that have accumulated or are extant in air or water. What is needed? Sensitive, accurate instruments with a clear, straight forward community driven information clearing house for set-up, calibration, and interpretation of data for testing the presence of radionuclides and background radiation in general in diverse, in-situ, environments (soil, water, watershed water, frozen watershed waters, sediments on roofs and at drain sites, in various plumbing and other architectural and hydrology related infrastructure–sewers, septic leach beds, inside biological organisms–following humane procedures and not forcing or inducing the opportunity for necropsy, of various kinds of organisms. It would be very important to understand beforehand the bio-accumulation profiles of various radionuclides in different organisms, such as marine and freshwater biofiltering sorts of organisms and then attempt to calculate (relying on previous research from previous contamination events, such as Chernobyl) which biological organisms would be most likely to be contaminated by a certain radionuclide in a certain setting. As to some other testing location ideas, I recommend testing reverse osmosis filtration, home water filtration devices and water distilling vats and locations whether or not permission (permission being preferable) could be secured, shower heads, spigots (used daily where water comes from surface sourced watersheds storage). Of course include things that might represent controls in diversity both to actually create a control for your testing; but also to determine if contamination has occurred in these control settings unexpectedly to see if there are as yet unknown or unappreciated ways that radionuclide contamination can occur in unexpected locations.

      I personally cannot afford a Geiger counter but hope to be able to get one perhaps in the fall. I wonder if anyone has any ideas on quality but not expensive Geiger counter units? I know that it’s a lot to ask given the “demand” (fucking capitalism) for these. But would still love to hear what others have to say about this topic. I firmly believe that civilian-initiated and maintained radionuclide testing in a diversity of environments, is of course, required to overcome the leaden shield black-out of information on this topic coming from the status quo powers that be running nuclear power anything and not at all transparently.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Awake, no worries, I think it’s great if people share their findings! Not spammy at all.


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