Published: February 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm ET
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Title: Assumption Police Jury meeting gets heated
Source: The Advocate
Author: DAVID J. MITCHELL
Date: February 07, 2013
[...] Bayou Corne resident Cathy Simoneaux prompted the heated response from [Assumption Parish Police Jury President Martin “Marty” Triche] after first asking state Rep. Karen St. Germain, D-Pierre Part, whether Gov. Bobby Jindal had told her not to speak about the sinkhole issue and whether St. Germain had a pending job offer from the state Department of Natural Resources or another state agency. [...]
Simoneaux then asked Triche if he had a trucking company involved in the response and later whether his family did. [...]
Triche denied both allegations. [...]
Triche added that his brother had been in the dirt business, but his brother had since died.
[...] Triche asked a deputy sheriff to remove Simoneaux from the meeting hall. [...]
Residents attending the meeting applauded as Simoneaux was escorted out while she shouted a profanity and asked the crowd, “Do you see what they are doing?” [...]
Watch video of the exchange here
Published: February 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm ET
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Are these implications true…that St. Germaine 's silence was bought by a pending job advancement… Does Trishe's deceased brother's trucking company is work the sin(k)hole? Who inherited it?
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Rainbeaudais has this video up of the incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLWOJNqMGmA
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An interpretation of the Technical Data presented at this meeting is at: The Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle's Weekend News
http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/weekend-news-6/comment-page-1/#comment-9663
Very interesting indeed. Possibly some answers will be forthcoming very soon.
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Omit the "is"
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Murderous corruption everywhere we look.
The human life in the US is worth nothing to our leaders. It shows clearly day after day. Pure evil.
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"worthless eaters"
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Right #9,
http://www.illuminati-symbols.com/21-goals-of-the-illuminati.html
N
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Yes. And this:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/intern/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf
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…Probably be labeled a terrorist and sent for re-education…
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That's always a good strategy… stand up in a public meeting and demand that officials admit or deny the incestuous insider relationships or self-serving motivation they have with other parts of government and the private sector. Because they always break down and 'fess up right then and there. That's how the truth comes out. It works especially well in Louisiana. (yeah, sarcasm… sigh)
Then the audience gets further punished by Triche's defensive yapping. It's clear the community should raise a bronze statue of him at the sinkhole for all his 'numerous hours' of whatever.
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Paveway III, your sarcasm is apropo in this situation. Also, you wanted documentation of Occidental's ownership of Oxy 3. Now you have it.
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/docs/conservation/documents/12.Emergency.Texas.Brine.pdf
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Thanks, Frox. I remembered that plat from a while back, but couldn't remember where I saw it or who was listed as owner.
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Seems to me that this lady's strategy was very effective … I mean had she not stood up and barked nobody would be looking up this tree to see if there's a coon up there.
And of course, there is. That Triche clown going off like he did should be enough to light up lights is all sorts of dark corners. Anybody but a complete imbecile would have said "No ma'am. Does anyone else have any questions?" and none of us would know anything about this guy or his dead brother's "dirt business."
The lady obviously hit a nerve and got the reaction she was looking for. This clown blowing up sounded like an admission of guilt to me. Just what sort of "dirt business" are we talking about?
By forcibly removing her without telling her that her time was up or asking her to sit down, looks like ole' volcano Triche opened the door to a lawsuit. She's got a right to express her opinion and she's got a right to attend the meeting. She should be suing his ass off, which would give her access to a lot of interesting information through discovery.
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Exactly.
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I appreciate your video, rainbeaudais, but I disagree with your assessment (on the youtube site). Mr. Triche was the one who was rude and abusive. If he couldn't keep his cool while being questioned by a concerned citizen whose life is being majorly impacted by this crisis, then he does NOT belong in public office!
The woman asked about the business he had (not sure where that was going) but instead of a straightforward response, he starts talking about his dead brother and challenges her "You wanna bring that up?" Immature ass! Then the little coward resorts to having the sheriff kick the woman out of the meeting. I can understand the audience wanting to move on, but applauding the evasive and abusive reaction of that clown? Pathetic…
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Agreed amberlight,,, I was astonished & disgusted that the audience would applaud after a politician was abusive & ugly to a citizen asking legitimate questions, which as as taxpayer it is very important to know…geezzz one of the main things members on this site do is to follow the money to learn what is really going on…because every time there is a man-made disaster as this is…greed is always the root cause. Triche attacked her instead of simply answering & moving on, she was not ugly nor out of line at all. And this kind of question is best answered publicly so what is said cannot be twisted.
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Keep in mind that they have been inhaling who knows what at varying concentrations for many months.
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In all of those videos, did anyone hear one minute without someone coughing? That, to me, was disturbing.
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amber, maiden, I agree completely. Entirely unacceptable behavior on Mr. Triche's part. St. Germaine was doing a fine job, and had it all about quieted down, then here Mr. moolah attorney jumps in and at the first instance of a question towards him, flew off the handle. You'd think an attorney would know better than that.
My question to Mr. Triche, would be, "Is it not a conflict of interest for you to be President of the APPJ if you are benefitting from the very industry that caused this disaster in the first place? I refer to your Gulf South/Shell holdings, as shown by official documents."
http://ucmwww.dnr.state.la.us/ucmsearch/UCMRedir.aspx?url=http%3a%2f%2fdnrucm%2fucm%2fgroups%2fconservation%2fdocuments%2fooc%2f4420407.pdf
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Mr. Triche reminded me of Boss Hog speakin down to the duke boys.
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LOL, so true 16 Penny, all he needs is the hat, and they are almost twins!
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I do want amend this comment above. No one should be made fun of because of size and rotund figure.
Not intended that way, but, think of an all white suit and cowboy hat….I mean…c'mon!
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Certainly, I was referring to his general tone and body language. I don't look like I did in high school either, not even going there.
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It seemed to me, the lady that was upset was somewhat incoherent, under the influence of something as she was slurring her words and loosing track of her thoughts. She may have been under the influence of methane and or a combination of all the crap in the air, ground and water there. I wonder if they arrested her? Mabey for d.u.i.m. driving under the influence of methane. The ones that need to be arrested is that smart ass Saint Jermain lady and the rest of the incompitent people in charge of this crisis. Dimentia and halucinations are next on the menu for the residents living near the stinkhole otherwise known as fukucorne. Wonder why we haven't heard any more about the high radiation readings they discovered at the sinkhole early on in the beginning of this fiasco? Are they doing any radiation monotoring and or testing there anymore?
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Yes, good point, timemachine2020. A report Enenews had linked to (in August 2012, or maybe earlier) said the EPA doesn't regulate the dumping of waste into salt caverns. Who knows what's really down there?
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"A report Enenews had linked to (in August 2012, or maybe earlier) said the EPA doesn't regulate the dumping of waste into salt caverns."
What Enenews failed to mention is that what is stored in the caverns is a state issue not fed—-EPA is fed.
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Thad, what leaks into the Gulf of Mexico is an international issue.Don't you think reviewing proposals to dump waste which has the potential to poison international waters is best left in the hands of Federal regulations. Or are you saying Mexico should sue Louisiana for any damage done by your states negligence?
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16P
first was not expressing a preference for who sets the standards- the US EPA is a nutless wonder. State EPAs are at least more atuned to the locals.
What leaks into the gulf from salt dome storage? There is only one and it is brine. Everybody talks about nuke waste in the domes yet can document only NORM and very little of that, everybody crying about fracking waste water/ chenical etc but no one can document.
As far as the US causing pollution that ends up in Mexican waters– current is the wrong way- read about Mexico Ixtoc blow out and where that oil went– Evidently you never worked or been a tourist in Mexico to see the crap they dump —
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Thad,
"what is stored in the caverns is a state issue not fed"
I disagree with your opinion.
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Here's a good read Thad.
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/481
About halfway down if you are feeling lazy:
From Tank of Gas to Drinking Glass: the Pervasiveness of Petrochemicals
"The widespread presence of petrochemicals in groundwater constitutes a kind of global malignancy, the danger of which has grown unobtrusively because there is such a great distance between cause and effect. An underground tank, for example, may take years to rust; it probably won't begin leaking until long after the people who bought it and installed it have left their jobs. Even after it begins to leak, it may take several more years before appreciable concentrations of chemicals appear in the aquifer_and it will likely be years beyond that before any health effects show up in the local population. By then, the trail may be decades old. So it's quite possible that any cancers occurring today as a result of leaking USTs might originate from tanks that were installed half a century ago. At that time, there were gas tanks sufficient to fuel 53 million cars in the world; today there are enough to fuel almost 10 times that number."
In your disaster's case, we know the cause. Like it or not you are connected to the world. I feel someone other than your uncle cousin's brother three times removed should review what you are dumping down there.
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Same article and section:
"Petroleum and its associated chemicals_benzene, toluene, and gasoline additives such as MTBE_constitute the most common category of groundwater contaminant found in aquifers in the United States. Many of these chemicals are also known or suspected to be cancer-causing. In 1998, the EPA found that over 100,000 commercially owned petroleum USTs were leaking, of which close to 18,000 are known to have contaminated groundwater. In Texas, 223 of 254 counties report leaky USTs, resulting in a silent disaster that, according to the EPA, "has affected, or has the potential to affect, virtually every major and minor aquifer in the state." Household tanks, which store home heating oil, are a problem as well. Although the household tanks aren't subject to the same regulations and inspections as commercial ones, the EPA says they are "undoubtedly leaking." Outside the United States, the world's ubiquitous petroleum storage tanks are even less monitored, but spot tests suggest that the threat of leakage is omnipresent in the industrialized world. In 1993, petroleum giant Shell reported that a third of its 1,100 gas stations in the United Kingdom were known to have contaminated soil and groundwater. Another example comes from the eastern Kazakh town of Semipalatinsk, where 6,460 tons of kerosene have collected in an aquifer under a military airport, seriously threatening the region's water supplies."
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TM2020, that was discussed at length at this thread.
http://enenews.com/tv-rumbling-ground-massive-sinkhole-floor-salt-cavern-rising-faster-previously-reported
Honestly, we don't know what they are doing, except covering up everything they can.
Yes, the woman was not incoherent, but very nervous. I don't think she was used to public speaking at all. She should have arrived with documented proof, and not innuendo, or at least explained her assertions.
Either way, she did not deserve being thrown out over Triche's temper tantrum.
I would be there with official documents and put them in his face.
http://ucmwww.dnr.state.la.us/ucmsearch/UCMRedir.aspx?url=http%3a%2f%2fdnrucm%2fucm%2fgroups%2fconservation%2fdocuments%2fooc%2f4420407.pdf
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Sorry, FRX, I didn't see your post.
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No Problemo. Tune in tomorrow for another wrenching tale of. "As the Bayou Churns".
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Frox, really? "…She should have arrived with documented proof, and not innuendo, or at least explained her assertions…"
How exactly does one document cronyism or nepotism? It's nearly impossible to prove unless it's your full-time job. And good luck finding any proof against a lawyer – they know better than anyone how to game the system. Triche would have sued that lady into oblivion (if he hasn't already started) no matter what 'proof' was offered.
It should be incumbent upon a public official to state *any* potential conflicting interests related to their position. If they're doing nothing wrong and spending taxpayer's money properly, then they shouldn't have any problem disclosing their relationships with other individuals or businesses. Triche is the epitome of a psychopath backed into a corner. It's no longer about right or wrong, it's about outrage and crushing peons that dare to question your motives.
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@Paveway III, you make a valid point. Even with evidence, it is an uphill battle, but what are the choices? Roll over and play dead? That is what has gotten this country into many needless and senseless wars for resources.
"It should be incumbent upon a public official to state *any* potential conflicting interests related to their position. If they're doing nothing wrong and spending taxpayer's money properly, then they shouldn't have any problem disclosing their relationships with other individuals or businesses."
I agree 100%.
It's hard to argue with your logic, yet again, what is the other choice? Gather hard evidence and ask it in the form of a question. Then hand ove all evidence to the contrary. Thad made a good point. David Mitchell was right there and had the story out long before the video.
If she had some revelation about Triche Trucking and Material Handling that linked APPJ President to it, then she should have given that to the reporter.
I believe it was handled badly on both sides.
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After watching the meeting posted on the YTube channel Assumptionla, I got to say that they are finally going to get a good look at the geology past and present.
I hold Hecox in very high regard. He may not be spot on but he is forthcoming with his "Grandpa" analysis of the sanity of the mandatory evacuation as well as admitting when he was wrong in previous meetings. I would hire Hecox for this sort of project in a heartbeat.
It looks like the crisis team is much better prepared and informed going forward. I am skeptical of the Itasca estimates that were given for likely and worst case growth of the sinkhole but I suppose time will tell.
One aspect that I have not heard addressed is how the salt is going to move as all of the stresses redistribute / equalize. I am very interested to see salt migration if any in the 4D analysis. My concern is what effect will salt migration have on adjacent caverns and plumbing within the salt and cap rock. As plastic as the salt is, I am wondering about deformation of other caverns.
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16penny, is that plastic, viscous, or both?
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This is all beginning to sound like a bad soap opera to me. I hope someone is making a chronical of events there. It's really hard to follow all of this, as someone from outside the area.
I am so saddened for the people of Texas and Louisana. Your states are being turned into giant waste dumps.
A "fracking" like process for extracting uranium to begin in Texas, eh? A "low level waste" storage area to be built over a Texas aquifer which supplies water to nine (9) states? Approved w/o due process of law, or environmental oversight? Where's the "EPA" and WHAT is the EPA?
Where does it end?
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Hi HoTaters
I am beginning to think this is all a nightmare, and we are all in it. It's a amazing that they can get away with this.
There are a few uppers who try to fight the good fight, I have to give them credit.
~~Protect Our Environment~~
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We get too involved in the back-and-forth. At an earlier community meeting months back, one official (apparently slipped) and said that this was caused by "a frack-out." Aggressive fracking. Why don't these people come clean and get out of that business ENTIRELY. And by the way: Cheney made sure that fracking would be completely UN-regulated. The feds must do something about that or all of our land is at risk.
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Hecox called the cavern rupture a frack-out. It's a general term to describe an underground formation leaking hydrocarbons or water under pressure through fractures. If oil or gas migrates through fractures to the surface under pressure, then it's called a blow-out, but is still a frack-out to a geologist.
This has absolutely nothing to do with intentional formation stimulation through hydraulic fracking. Nobody was doing any kind of hydraulic fracking inside or outside the salt near the cavern.
The only thing they both have in common is 'fractures'.
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Truth smarts.
Why wouldn't these meetings become heated.
It is important to remember..that public officials work for the people.
From the President on down..employees of the people.
Power given these people…is inappropriate.
They are government employees…( Homeland Security for example)..hoping to keep their jobs..nothing more.
To do so they will lie..lie to the people standing right next to them.
Next come those that stand to make a buck…(hand open).They would sell their souls….done.
Be proud of your resistance…
The'officials" are the one's that need to be in jail.
PS..None are above..personal lawsuit..(wink..wink)
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The issue of vested interests in hauling dirt to work the sinkhole is a non-issue AS long as the dirt get hauled. The cost is to TxBrn so that should not be an issue to the residents either.
The venue for handling is in court not in a piblic meeting. There is a piblic venue to address in — the ballot box– parish officials are elected–
If she felt she absolutely had to bring up at the meeting she should have calmly stated her case as a question and handed documented proofs to the journalist attending.
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Thad, It's simple really. These people have been under constant stress and strain for over six months, breathing toxic fumes and scared out of their minds. It is understandable that they are not thinking as coherently as you or any of us that are not living in this situation.
Not all of the people affected are middle class or fat cat homeowners. Some rent, some are disabled, andsome are now homeless. Everyday is a struggle just to live, much less think as an attorney would.
This is what much of Assumption Parish really looks like, and you won't see it on the 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'. Remember only homeowners get any of TB's checks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2dDTUCNlOE
Now if you scream they aren't affected because they are not right on top of the Stinkhole, then that is hubris in the extreme.
Even there, you will notice, there are mobile homes, and not stately mansions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEVC7IP7emQ
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1gRULRXWXI
The plight of this one woman is heart rending, and if I can donate to help her out I will. Just a horrible way to live. The sinkhole has torn family's apart, and the human toll is mounting.
http://youtu.be/JftYcrBU07o
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Truth? Who knows- the basis for this little conflict probably pre-dates the present situation– quite common in small community groups– The population for the whole parish is only 23,000–And the'injuried' party saw it as a chance to throw rocks in front of an audience—Cajun version of the Hatfield and McCoy
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Exactly Thad. You hit the nail on the head.
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Freedom, once again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about and I've had it with your fabrications and making a mountain off one little molehill. That is NOT what Assumption parish looks like. It is an area of poverty that EVERY small or large town has.
That woman is NOT from here as she got several things wrong…..calling 5 miles down HWY 70 Bayou Corne, saying there were turkeys all over the road, saying TBs tanks said "Bayou Corne" on them, and claiming the worst part of Napoleonville, La., 18 miles away is why we aren't getting MSM attention, and OH yeh, she even played the race card.
NO ONE here is homeless because of this situation, and no, we are NOT struggling to live. The same people that were struggling to live before will be struggling tolive now, regardless of the sinkhole.
Forget that it's more important for her to risk arrest and impounded of her dogs in our 3 day kill shelter by making INaccurate videos than the welfare of her dogs.
I offered to take her for a tour in her first video, but OMG,not a chance now. Her agenda is clear.
Do you EVER research before your rush to post?
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As far as Martin Triche, he's probably had it with being accused of every little thing not only by the FROXS that's getting his BAD information from locals that have a vendetta out against Marty, but now he's getting it from locals that KNOW him. Marty and the other police jurors had just been told last week that they were all corrupt. He'shad his fill. I don't blame him because he is one of the GOOD guys and the people around here know that. THAT is what the applause for throwing Simoneaux out was all about. Probably the same person that is feeding you bad info FROX, is the one that put her up to what she did.
Karen too.
Did you notice in the video when Kathy Simoneaux first said she had a question, and before she identified herself that Karen st Germain said.."yes kathy?". That's because they know each other, regardless of what Simoneaux said.
There are a few prevalent names around here that are old names, and yes, involved in a lot of the industry. They supply jobs to people here, and damn well should get contracts before a bid charging 3 times normal rates should get them…IF they can even get anyone to come here to do the work.
ENOUGH!!
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Now that was almost a coherent response, thank you. No one is accusing a 'Public Official' of anything other than publicly stating 'Possible Conflicts of Interest'.
It is a very old law, so things are above board, and it is the duty of said Public Official. Read some of the good folks comments above, and they understand the same, as a matter of course.
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One thing Rainbow pointed out is true. Karen St. Germaine seemed to know Kathy by first name.
Curiouser and curiouser, 'It was much pleasanter at home,' thought poor Alice, 'when one wasn't always growing larger and smaller, and being ordered about by mice and rabbits. I almost wish I hadn't gone down that rabbit-hole — and yet — and yet — it's rather curious, you know, this sort of life!
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
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So anyone else's troubles in Assumption Parish mean nothing to you? You think others struggles pale to your own? How heartless, just as heartless as you folks clapping for a woman being thrown out of a Public Meeting, for asking inconvenient questions. Despicable.
This is just your 'sinkhole' mentality and not caring about those others that are being affected as well, is the height of hubris.
Seems you have an agenda, not this poor woman. She explained herself and situation very well.
Also, you have no right to critisize anyone about animal abuse, when you stay where you know your own animals can easily be poisoned. Don't you ever research what is in those puddles outside? Or, is the animal rights activist without animals of her own?
Attacking one for caring about another's plight is just inhumane. I didn't attack you.
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You attack me in every post you make when you start making belittling remaqrks about how people have to remember that we aren't thinking coherently any more, abusing my animals because I have them with me breathing the SAME air I do, and drinking BOTTLED water as I do, and all your other nasty little digs.
Again, that woman is not from around here. No, I didn't say others struggles pale compared to mine…I saidno one IS struggling because of this situation to the point of being homeless.
And again, the applause was because the majority of people in that room know our local officials on a personal basis and know that spectacle was uncalled for.
When Debra Dupres husband got up and tried to speak about the health aspects the officials tried to stop him from speaking and the audience spoke up and said "let the man talk". We aren't stupid, idots or brain warped because we recognize a personal agenda being used in an advantages situation to make someone look bad.
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So, I take it, that everyone that has posted to this thread is attacking you personally, because nearly all have mentioned the deletrious effects of long term inhalation? Ludicrous.
As for there being a 'Hatfield & McCoy' vendetta going on, then why won't someone explain that? All the rest of us have to go on, is from the videos. If you know something, I am sure readers would like to know, so that all of us can understand. If it is a personal agenda, then don't we have a right to know?
Remember, it is the Parish that puts out these videos, not us. To think someone will not comment about what they have observed when thrown out onto the national stage is insane.
As for your own animals, then you are correct..they are your property and your responisbility, so don't cast stones at others for doing the same.
Whether you know it or not, you folks wanted attention, and now you have it. It is not upon the viewer or the reader to explain just what is going on. That task falls to you and to the officials involved.
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No, I don't think everyone on here that says that is attacking me because only a few of you do keep saying that and yes, that is attacking me when you know I read and post here.
My animals are one of the most important things in my life, and one of the main reasons I did not stay evacuated. As the woman in the video explains, it's not easy living with other people, especially with animals, and it's also not easy finding somewhere that will take 3 rambunctious dogs and a cat. A cat that is accustomed to going oustide to potty, and enjoy being outside because it is safe here…..something I couldn't let her do just anywhere.
If I go, my animals go with me, plain and simple,and I have not one doubt that would be their choice too.
You started bringing my animals up as a dig a couple weeks ago. I don't know how many ways you can be told the air here is being tested, and is safe, and yes, I DO trust the officals would tell me if it wasn't.
The difference, again, is that woman is living in a car with her 2 dogs, and if she goes to jail, the dogs go to our KILL shelter, and she is risking that to get videos. She even says it out loud. Don't you DARE compare me to that way of thinking.
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For her to go to jail for speaking out in a public meeting is certainly overkill, isn't it? I think the right way for a public official to handle public affairs is to be professional. I know nothing of this situation really, but it seems as though this person struck a nerve. If she did, good on her. It was nepotism and corruption which led us down these dead ends. I mean, good for the companies which benefited and profited I guess. But if the people don't stand up or themselves, who will?
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She didn't go to jail. She was escorted out.
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I know that.
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Oh…I get it. We are talking about 2 different women in this thread, Anthony. Woman in the car is not the same woman at the meeting.
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First Rainbeaudais, I was referring to the outburst by Mr. Marty. There are right ways and wrong ways. Not saying I'm always right either, but I am not a public official.
Second, I do not know how much clearer it can be than "I think the mandatory evacuation is appropriate." Hecox
"I DO trust the officals would tell me if it wasn't." Rainbeaudais
"I don't get it ????" 16Penny
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16penny, the mandatory evacuation is because of the explsoion potential and instability of the cavern and voids. Not because of the air, and my statement was striclty regarding the air me and my animals breathe, in response to Frox.
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How many of the residents were warned prior to the last ginormous burp? They pulled their crews and equipment out of harms way. I didn't hear anything about warning the inhabitants to clear out.
Explosions are caused by gas. Lower levels of gas can cause harm even if they are not enough to trip the LEL alarm on the sensors. I am not going to get into this. I am pointing out that your argument is critically flawed.
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Yeh, I'm not getting in to it either…(after I have my say, as you did)
No, 'your' argument is critically flawed. They pulled their crew away from the Oxy 3 pad, and that's it. Not off TB property.
Nothing to warn inhabitants about. We've been warned. We've been told the area is unstable, there will be more burps,and that there is possibility of explosion. We have also been told the air is SAFE.
WHY would they mandatory evacuate and keep telling us all this other stuff but deny that the air is safe? There's YOUR flaw.
I am not talking about LEL sensors, but of air monitors we have throughout the area, checked continuosly.
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"As for there being a 'Hatfield & McCoy' vendetta going on, then why won't someone explain that? All the rest of us have to go on, is from the videos. If you know something, I am sure readers would like to know, so that all of us can understand. If it is a personal agenda, then don't we have a right to know?"
Actually no, I don't believe you do have that right. Nor would it matter. You'd just find something else to try to make a case of.
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An old adage comes to mind, "If you can't stand the heat. Get out of the kitchen."
If you are in a position of responsibility and put it out for the world to see, then expect scrutiny, and not to then whine because you did.
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There is a difference in valid scrutiny, and just plain trying to start trouble.
Reminds me of an old adage as well.
"Put your money where your mouth is."
"I heard" isn't good enough.
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I admit I made a mistake that one time. You keep beating me over the head with it, but that bothers me none at all. I listen to no one down there anymore. My friends were smart, and left.
When I find evidence of 'Conflicts of Interest', then I make sure that it is officially recorded.
http://ucmwww.dnr.state.la.us/ucmsearch/UCMRedir.aspx?url=http%3a%2f%2fdnrucm%2fucm%2fgroups%2fconservation%2fdocuments%2fooc%2f4420407.pdf
Just as I did, once I found that Occidental, Texas Brine, and LDNR were wholly culpable and responsible for this whole situation.
http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/louisiana-sinkhole-and-proof-ldnr-and-texas-brine-knew-oxy-3-could-fail-in-2010/
I don't hear anything anymore except on Vids the Parish releases, and from human interest stories in the area.
I read. Can you?
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Newsflash Frox…..just because you don't hear something doesn't mean it's not happening, or known.
I have been knowing Occidental owned the land TBs caverns are on.
I had it confirmed today because you have been posting like it was a big uncovered secret.
And we've ALL been knowing about the letters between TB and DNR from long long ago.
Nothing you have shown has been any more convincing than those 2 letters. VSPs are 3Ds does not mean they were in anything together, but simply that a major issue was overlooked at minimum, by all involved.
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Now hold it, you want me to 'not hear' one second, then you want me to, the next. Make up your mind.
As for Occidental, it does no good what one knows. It goes with what official documents can prove.
You will find that out if you do sue, just what is involved in 'discovery'. Every single official document comes that much closer to proving responsibility.
While this may be done behind closed doors or between attorney's in a small court room, it does solidify these facts in the minds' of the Public, who do have the right to know.
When I wrote the article, "Louisiana Sinkhole and the Love Canal Connection"
I was accused of not having evidence that Occidental was even involved. Now I do. As you stated yourself, it was 'Confirmed', and that is why official records matter so much.
Engaging you anymore is pointless, for you would argue with a fencepost, where no argument has been made. So, please feel free to flame away. It is after all, your forte'. I bid you adieu, as I have work to do.
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I cannot let that one pass.
"Nothing you have shown has been any more convincing than those 2 letters. VSPs are 3Ds does not mean they were in anything together, but simply that a major issue was overlooked at minimum, by all involved."
You call knowing about the cavern laying fully on the shale sheath since 1995 or before,
(Neal, J. T. and T.R. Magorian. April 1995. Geologic Site Characterization (GSC) Principles Derived from Storage and Mining Projects in Salt, With Application to Environmental Surety. SAND95-2400J. Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM.)
along with seeing it clearly in every SONAR survey of the cavern since then, ontop of the 2007 VSP that clearly illustrates the HUGE problem of cavern integrity,
http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/louisiana-sinkhole-and-proof-ldnr-and-texas-brine-knew-oxy-3-could-fail-in-2010/
was all just an oversight for EIGHTEEN YEARS!
You are truly more divorced from reality than anyone I have ever known.
Yet Texas Brine, having all this knowledge, chose to perform a 'Mill Out' at 2350 ft., with full knowledge that there was little to no salt buffer, went right ahead and did so anyways with LDNR's blessings as well as the owner's permission, being Occidental Chemical Corp.
Insanity!
The small section of the 3-D survey clearly shows this in detail. No due diligence was done prior to these actions.
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And you see how you make comments like…"I read. Can you?", but don't consider that attacking, then get all pissy when someone comes at you with what you call an attack. In fact, you accuse people of attacking you fairly often, when no one else sees it.
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Last I heard – the lady in question does not even live in the area but some 15-20 miles away– I'll check up on that–
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Thad….she is from Massachesettes.
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Ahhh, methinks I smell a publicity stunt. By whom? Strange days indeed.
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Yeh, right. I've just taken the time to watch all her videos because as I said as LSHB, I couldn't get a handle on what she was trying to do. Whether she lived here or not.
She doesn't.
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BTW, she has already made an apology video, confirming she is not from here.
She sure has some might fine equipment in that car for being homeless and destitute. Better than I have. And I'm in with what she calls the elite. Maybe even the illuminati…..*wink*
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I was speaking of the St. Germaine/Simonaeux exchange. Keep up.
As for the lady, if you two are fueding, it is none of my concern. You seem to have fueds all over You Tube, and that, again, is none of my concern. Do I believe the woman needs help. I do. My heart still goes out to her, and her cute doggies.
As for you being 'Illuminati'? Lol. Not on your best day.
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LOL, no fued at all. I corrected her inaccuracies. She apologized. I thanked her for the apology. All over youtube? Show me one, besides our mutual friend Charles, which I believe you had a few choice words for yourself.
I believe she needs help too, but that wasn't the point, or what I objected to in your original statement to Thad concerning it. You try to act like you know what we are all feeling, thinking, experiencing down here. You speak as if you are here, or have spent much time here lately. Neither are true, but your words to Thad conveyed a different message. I resent you telling me and/or everyone else how we are struggling, what we think, feel, breathe, and that all of that is affected by the fumes.
If your comment was regarding St Germain, then you are the one that needs to keep up because it is woefully out of place.
see ya!
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@RBD: "she even played the race card."
Me, too. You are a good source for telling us what's going on at ground zero. Obviously we can't all run down there and have a look. Please help me out with this:
I've been watching the vids of the public meetings, and the vids of experts, and the vids of interviews with people stuck in this fix, but I have never — not once — seen a black person, except the people along the road in that lady's drive-by video with the annoying GPS chatter in the back ground. All of the people getting up and having their say that I've seen are white. Wiki says Assumption Parish is 32% black, but you'd never be able to tell that from what I'm seeing.
Are black people involved in this? Do they take part in the public meetings? Do they have any representatives in the local government?
I'm not pointing fingers or makin' stink, I'm just curious why blacks are getting filtered out of the videos and MSM and hope maybe you would have some thoughts.
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The non-racist and non-pegorative term is African American, not black. What might have been true 50 years ago is not true today. You might actually check it out with the President's office.
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anne!! Great to hear from you. I see you are now an expert on interracial political correctness. Bueno!
Are you black or are you just acting as some sort of bizzybody spokesperson (note the PC) for blacks on how they want their race referred to?
Any further word on that Fordow explosion story you were pushing here in behalf of that wacko Farah? Seems to have gone cold in spite of your dozens of comments.
Keep us posted. Your opinions are always, well…entertaining.
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rolling over here, Pierpont! This 'progress' is simply overwhelming. Can't wait for "African Americans" to start addressing 'my kind' as "European Americans"! Now…where's my brown paper bag? This PC talk has forced a sense of Bayou-Corne welling from within…
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Pierpont, I'll make a comment on this topic where it belongs, in the off-topic forum:
http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-nuclear-issues-jan-5-2013-present
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Yup, I daresay if calling a black person black makes me a racist or pe(j)orative, then it is what it is.
I'm with Aftershock, and am looking forward to being called am Italian American Coonass. Oh wait….didn't I hear somwehere that we aren't supposed to say the word coon any more either? Even though it's part of OUR culture and heritage? Racoonass just doesn't have the same ring to it, so again, I guess I am being racist and pe(j)orative.
Pierpont, there are no blacks living in the Bayou Corne community. I have no idea why. I rarely see blacks in Pierre Part. Very rarely. Yes, there are blacks in local Government.
http://www.assumptionla.com/Parish-Government
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I suppose in the micro view ..yes..it is a local dispute.
But in the big picture..it is the frontline for those that will now have to fight for compensation.
When they get to the governor's office..they can keep on going.
Repression of the truth..starts from the top.
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So true, Rose. We all may find ourselves in these types of battles before long, especially the unintended victims of 'fracking'. out west and in northeast.
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We are all victims of Fukushima, and there will be many battles to come.
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I agree TIS, as well as Macondo, fracking, nuke subs in Atlantic. The whole food chain has been subverted and poisoned, as well as the air, the lakes, rivers, and now our ground waters.
So many battles on so many fronts, and most of it blocked by politics.
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Hey boys and girls how about a warm and fuzzy time out, for just a little while, myself, I am saturated! Poco-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4JXoEc3LCY&feature=related
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Freedomrox; I totally agree.
PS I really appreciate the integrity of your technical postings
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@Beyond Zero Point, I do thank you. I had to take a few hours to step away from all this. I do this sometimes, and finds it helps.
Yes, I do get very technical at times, and do so to avoid the emotional content. It gets hard for me sometimes. I do feel very strongly about the things I comment or write about. It gets hard to not become emotional. I tend to avoid it when possible, especially when accused of having no empathy when I post technical issues, then of having no intelligence when I post my emotional opinion. I have found that to some I don't have that right. To either technical or emotional opinions.
It's ok. I do understand when someone says, "You don't know how I feel." and that is true. I am not there in that situation, but I do hold empathy. How?
Have you ever seen a Flatbed with a load of lumber lose control and smash head on with a gas tanker? I have. It was horrific.
Have you ever seen the aftermath of a Church bus with 11 children smash head on into a bridge pylon, and the pieces of the children all over the road in front of you? I have.
Have you ever been in a fire where half your body is burned and only given a 15% chance at life? I have.
The point is, you don't have to personally experience every single tragedy in life to have empathy.
Just as the woman posting the videos is showing the horrific living conditions around Assumption Parish, La. I don't care where she lives or whether she is using the 'Stinkhole' to…
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(cont.) publicize the horrific squaller these people, no matter what color, are living in. It is an issue that needs to be addressed. When your roof is a tarp, then there are serious problems, that do need to be addressed.
If the people of Bayou Corne only want to be presented as victims, then that is their choice, and "No one understands.", then they are correct, because we are not there, in that situation. Yet, by the same token, neither are they in our position either, nor seem to care about anyone but themselves and 'their' stinkhole.
Please understand I am not speaking about all of Bayou Corne, only about the one resident that posts regularly here, yet has no empathy for anyone or anything, except her own agenda. Yes, she is the only one THERE that cares enough to film, which tells us a lot.
I will stick to the technical issues from now on. I see now I am not supposed to have empathy, nor opinions. I should only say, 'Yassuh Massah'.
Thanks for Poco, but to relax, Jerry Reed, Amos Moses, reminds me of Troy Landers in Pierre Part, (Swamp People), or Commander Cody, which describes part of my teen years to a tee.
Hot Rod Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbON8udTPo
Commander Cody always makes me smile. Again, thank you.
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Get out the violins somebody…..
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Emergency warning sirens go off twice at River Bend Nuclear plant in St Francisville, 68 miles north of the sinkhole at 3 53 pm wednesday. Unknown why sirens went off twice.
Facility: RIVER BEND
Region: 4 State: LA
Unit: [1] [ ] [ ]
RX Type: [1] GE-6
NRC Notified By: JEFF REYNOLDS
HQ OPS Officer: BILL HUFFMAN Notification Date: 02/07/2013
Notification Time: 19:34 [ET]
Event Date: 02/07/2013
Event Time: 15:53 [CST]
Last Update Date: 02/07/2013
Emergency Class: NON EMERGENCY
10 CFR Section:
50.72(b)(2)(xi) – OFFSITE NOTIFICATION
Person (Organization):
DON ALLEN (R4DO)
Unit SCRAM Code RX CRIT Initial PWR Initial RX Mode Current PWR Current RX Mode
1 N Y 100 Power Operation 100 Power Operation
Event Text
INADVERTENT EMERGENCY SIREN ACTUATION
"At 1553 CST on 02/07/2013, River Bend Station emergency preparedness personnel were notified by a dispatcher at the Pointe Coupee Parish Sheriff's Office that several calls had been received regarding one or more River Bend emergency sirens sounding in the vicinity of the city of New Roads, Louisiana. The siren(s) sounded at least twice. Emergency Preparedness personnel notified the caller that no emergency condition existed at the station and made other notifications in accordance with River Bend procedure EPP-2-401 for inadvertent siren sounding. Notifications included the governors office of homeland security to notify the public that the sounding is inadvertent and that no emergency exists at…
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Well, that will teach the folks to be more nervous and on edge than they already are… False alarms for al!
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You know, everyone should see this lady's apology.
KafkaWinstonWorld
Again, she makes herself very clear. Also, you can see she stays mainly at a Rest Area, hence, the darting eyes, seeing everything. She has to.
I truly believe she needs some help. She is doing what she feels is right. We should all do so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkLXUah06cM
I applaud her honesty, especially in the face of the brow beating she took from the more affluent calling her an 'idiot'.
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I didn't call her an idiot. I didn't call her any names at all, and in fact, she thanked me for how I worded my comments. She understood my objections. We talked it out. Why do you feel the need to make it any more than what it is?
Wonder how you would know just how affluent whoever did call her an idiot is? Oh that's right….you wouldn't.
No, she doesn't mainly stay at rest areas. Try to keep up. Darting eyes? LOL…she never looks around her, off to the left, EVER, and she has 2 humongous dogs in her back seat. Drama drama drama.
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And it is all YOUR DRAMA, and that's all that counts. No one else's feelings matter. That was evidenced by how well you spoke to the poor lady in the vids, and how you identified with her and her dogs, and then talked her down here on Ene. Do not think folks don't notice this level of hypocrisy.
I allowed my feelings to come out for a moment and you go on the attack. If this can be seen as anything else then let me know.
Mostly I do investigations. It matters not what is the subject, but I can find out just about anything about anyone. It is the better part of discretion to not post these facts, as many times, they truly ae inaccurate, or do not represent the people they really are.
As for Corporations, I have no such empathy, and I will hunt down every fact there is, to show, and prove culpability and resposibility. No amount of your belittling or flaming will ever stop that.
Ever occur to you, I know a lot more about a lot of people I don't post? Again, it is known as common courtesy and discretion. Maybe you should exercise that sometimes.
"Every moment is a choice, choose wisely." Freedomrox
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