Video: “Pacific Ocean is under incredible threat… Americans are now starting to reap that on their West Coast” — Kamps: “An unprecedented catastrophe… should be independent monitors sent to Fukushima to try to get the truth as to how bad this is”

Published: March 23rd, 2014 at 10:25 pm ET
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Kevin Kamps, Radioactive Waste Specialist at Beyond Nuclear, Mar. 18, 2014: [...] now the scientific models are showing the liquid plume in the ocean reaching the shores of North America [...] this is an unprecedented radioactive catastrophe for the world’s oceans. [...] contact every level of representative government that we have and if you live on the west coast, that would certainly include your local and state governments. But the federal government is supposed to be taking care of this matter on behalf of the American people [...] it calls for international involvement, and something to keep in mind is that these discharges did not end on March or April 2011, in fact the discharges to the ocean are a daily occurrence. We are talking 300.000 iters per day of radioactive ground water flowing into the ocean. So, this is an international catastrophe, the oceans do not belong to Japan of course, and so, yes, there should be the best minds and independent monitors sent to Fukushima to try to get the truth as to how bad this is, where [it's] going. [...] seafood contamination is a serious issue especially because of bio-concentration of radioactivity in the food chain and we sit at the top of food chain [...] testing of seafood is essential [...] that needs an urgent priority placed upon it at the federal level.

Fukushima Evacuee Gavin Allwright, Public Meeting at the UK’s House of Commons, Mar. 10, 2014 (at 8:15 in): There’s a real feeling now that Fukushima’s done. There was a very conscious decision to move airborne contamination to waterborne contamination — Pacific Ocean’s under incredible threat at the moment. Americans are now starting to reap that on their West Coast.

Watch the meeting at the UK’s House of Commons here

Published: March 23rd, 2014 at 10:25 pm ET
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156 comments to Video: “Pacific Ocean is under incredible threat… Americans are now starting to reap that on their West Coast” — Kamps: “An unprecedented catastrophe… should be independent monitors sent to Fukushima to try to get the truth as to how bad this is”

  • johnnyo

    …..
    we reap what we sow
    our majestic pacific toast
    bring back guillotine


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    People need to pay close attention to the evacuee's video, and realize that anyone living near these reactors can expect the same thing in a big disaster. All of these NP plants need to be shut down, and focus and money spent on remediation and control until the the technology exists to permanently deal with the nuclear waste by-products that will exist for hundreds of thousands of years.

    Governments will seek to maintain the status quo at all costs no matter the cost to the environment/humanity/biology. Ego prohibits the powers that be from throwing in the towel and admitting failure. It is up to each individual to demand change.


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  • earthsmith

    Good night all…I leave with words as I have polished off a well deserved micro-brewed growler won at a bike race last weekend.
    As I state deeper


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  • Ontological Ontological

    The new refreshing Pacific Toast line of the USA. The new refreshing PU plume from WIPP. Radiation smoke from St. Louis. Tar sands oil destruction. Gulf spill damage in the ocean currents. Fracking trashing aquifers, disturbing salt mines full of nuclear waste. Coal was arguably safer at this point.


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  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    A readable review ("The Age of Radiance") for those interested in a concise history, accent and fall, of nuclear energy.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_age_of_radiance_the_epic_story_of_the_atomic_age/

    One can still hope that it's currency will provide some impetus for solutions, and resolutions.


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    • Mack Mack

      The author of ‘The Age of Radiance’ “concludes by pointing out that many leading environmentalists have now come to embrace (well-regulated) nuclear power as the only currently viable solution to the modern world’s voracious energy demands.”

      I'd recommend these books:

      • Samuels, Richard J (2013) "3.11: Disaster and Change in Japan"

      • Nadesan, Majia H (2013) "Fukushima and the Privatization of Risk"

      • The Independent Investigation Commission on the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Accident (2014) "The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Disaster: Investigating the Myth and Reality"

      • The Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission (2012) "The Official Report"

      • Lochbaum, David, Edwin Lyman, Susan Q. Stranahan, and the Union of Concerned Scientists (2014) "Fukushima: The story of a nuclear disaster"

      Reviews of the books here:
      http://thebulletin.org/five-assessments-fukushima-disaster


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    As flies to wanton boys are we to th' gods [corporations],
    They kill us for their sport.

    King Lear Act 4, scene 1, 36–37

    This seems apropos. The big corporations act like gods and believe themselves to be immortal. They devour people and everything else with their voracious appetites.


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    "… it calls for international involvement…"
    "… there should be the best minds and independent monitors sent to Fukushima to try to get the truth as to how bad this is, where [it's] going."

    Like quitting smoking AFTER you have lung cancer?
    Like quitting hookers AFTER you get HSV2 or HIV?
    Like cleaning up your diet/lifestyle AFTER going seriously diabetic?
    Like quitting drunk driving AFTER you lose your drivers license because you killed some one DUI?
    Like retirement planning AFTER you turn 65?

    Why does he think that it matters how bad it is at this point?
    Not like knowing how bad it is will help stop it.
    Not like knowing how bad it is will address what has already happened.

    Makes the movie Idiocracy seem much less ridiculous than it was.


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    • combomelt combomelt

      +1,000,000,000,000bq/ng
      great clarity


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    • 4Warnd 4Warnd

      FGJ,

      I'm confused with your remark in that many of the posts herein are committed to extrapolating and communicating how bad it is, will be and may further become.

      That's a good thing – in the midst of this great, or greatest, of disasters. Right?

      OK. Reminder, shut the barn door! (I know that the horse got away….etc.)

      Collectively, we owe it forward to this Earth's future to know, even if after the fact, what it was. And, what can be done today and tomorrow.

      Otherwise, it's a laminating wring of the hands.

      So, your note of the quote seems, in spite of it all, welcome, at last.


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      No plan to retire, only to expire. The chance to save a liveable planet has passed. It's all downhill from here, snowball effect. All we can do is say "sorry" to the children and hide our eyes in shame. We could have done so much better, but we let the aggressive males take control again and again. Now all that most folks do is pretend that it will all turn out OK. This will be a rude awakening for so many, waking to the "new normal" of mass disease and death.


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    • sentinelle sentinelle

      That's pretty much what I was thinking! A little late to be sounding the alarm when something that has been heading this way for 3 years is at the doorstep.

      Too many afraid of being labeled Chicken Little instead of Paul Revere so they stick their head in the sand.


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  • combomelt combomelt

    time to post my video creation link, on this topic….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXAwfSbqYis

    its 8.24 long, i hope to shorten it


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  • Pimps at forbes are saying (by using a large Bq number, which equates to a very small gram amount) that of 12,000,000 grams of Bq in the fuels and used fuels that only 1 gram of that got out into the ocean.
    Visit if you can stand the stench of nuker lies

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/03/16/radioactive-fukushima-waters-arrive-at-west-coast-of-america/
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    Bird, if you would present an argument, then a discussion could progress, but instead you toss out some volatility and vapor pressure, without making any points about those.

    What is your point, explain it.

    And then you throw out a link to a synopsis . They also assume that because about 44% of the water in the harbor mixes to ocean every day, that somehow that is important….it is not. All the rads that make it to the harbour eventually make it to the ocean. The percent per day indicate someone who wants to play numbers rather than realize that everything that goes into that harbor eventually goes out.

    TEPCO also regularly admits that their previous data reported was usually 10 times to 100 times lower than it should have been reported. His calculation that 1 gram would come out in 1000 days is ludicrious in relation to the 1200 kG (3 kG per ton of fuel) of expected long lived isotopes (Cs-137 and Strontium 90) expected from the used fuel inventory. 1200 kG is 1,200,000 grams……and your numbers boy says 1 gram came out in 1


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    • Who believes that? There are 12,000,000 grams there, and they pretty much blew up, melted down, had fires and were aerosolized, and then had awter poured on them and underground rivers running through them and you got the audacity to sit there and hang your hat on numbers boy who says 1 gram got out to the ocean


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Steve Forbes is a known liar.


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      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        Look back thru the ENENEWS archive. It was already publicly stated by TEPCO that the amount of MOX in the fuel in 3 was around 11 percent by weight. 110 tons x 2200 lbs per long tone = 242,000 lbs. 242,000 x .11 = 26,620 lbs of MOX fuels in number 3 alone. 1 gram eh Forbes? Your readers are all fucking idiots and imbeciles. Just like Steve Forbes himself.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    If it evaporates and raises radiation levels near the coast, nobody will want to stay.


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  • Sol Man

    Becquerels for all
    creation diminished
    sadness for long sleep.


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  • Shaker1

    It will all be cycled through water at some point if it can be motive at all. It's rather obvious that the goal (at which they failed; it depends upon one's opinion as to the depth of that failure) of these nuke plants is a contained environment. At their best, none are fully contained and an exclusive environment.


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  • rogerthat

    ''Collectively, we owe it forward to this Earth's future to know, even if after the fact, what it was. And, what can be done today and tomorrow.''

    -Well, why doesn't someone in authority tell the world what it was. The fact – Fukushima – happened three years ago and counting. Are governments ever going to tell the people what really happened, what the true position is today? What is the true position with regards to reactors 1, 2, 3 and 4, not to mention 5 and 6 and the other eight reactors that had major failures of varying severity as a result of the earthquake? What was really in there, how many of the explosions were nuclear, what really happened at unit 4, what really escaped into the atmosphere, how much is really escaping into the atmosphere every day, how much of each nuclear core remains at Fukushima, where the nuclear cores really are, how much has really escaped into the sea, how much continues to flow into the sea every day?
    How hot the water is? How hot the seabed is? How hot the fish are? How hot the beaches are? How hot the land and the air and the crops and the animals and the people are?
    How to avoid getting ever hotter, ever faster through bioaccumulation?
    I suppose one day if all the questions are answered, if governments are prepared to test, to investigate, to be open with the people, then something constructive might eventually be done today and tomorrow.
    ''we owe it forward to this Earth's future''


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    • Are they ever going to tell the truth? No, not in this lifetime. In fifty or so years, when history teachers talk about these horrific events or all of the nuclear-era, I think they will speak of the folly of mankind.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Corporations are NOT people.
      Corporations want more shareholder value, and excess profits to distribute.
      Corporations bring ruin to the Earth and her peoples.
      Corporations run the governments.
      Governments protect corporations, not people.
      We must do our own testing.
      We must protect ourselves.
      Sue the bastards!
      Overthrow the corporations.
      You brought ruin onto yourself, TEP.gov. Enjoy! ;)


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    • Archie Archie

      "…the oceans do not belong to Japan"

      This is why the international community should have gotten involved immediately instead of letting Tepco muck around for 3 years, mopping the floors while millions of gallons of contaminated water flowed into the ocean. The nuclear plants belong to Japan but not the oceans of the world. Don't we have the right to intervene?


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      • GQR2

        Archie it seems the so called International Community is in the clutches of the IMF and the mischief they visit, (mischief is a very mild word for it) with their Shock Doctrine Milton Friedman financial global free market madness. There is no International Community. The U.N. is a tool of the NWO. This is their end game as they poison and meme homo sapiens to bring in their nightmarish cyborgs. In the process advertising the meme that the cyborgs will be somehow superior to humans as they are in Nature.

        Its beyond the pale.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @rogerthat:

      Here is a start: http://www.hatrickpenryunbound.com "Something
      Wicked this way Comes. A good beginning has been made. Few ever read it. He has a long book (free) and a short video on YouTube for those who just don't read anything. Here's the tale of what happened and the proof of the coverup (which is why so little effort is being made by the government). He used only the Freedom of Information Documents of the NRC to do this. They were made by a court reporter and certified by the NRC. Nobody can cast doubt on it.

      Give it a try!


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  • I think we need to hear a lot more from Kevin Kamps and a lot less from Arnie Gundersen, if we are looking for some honest reporting on all of the nuclear problems (read: disasters) facing our world, today.
    Besides, Arnie puts me to sleep, and Kamps wakes me up!


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  • PaciFistic Pacifisitic

    In 50 years? What history teachers? Who will the deafening silence be speaking to?


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  • bo bo

    Sorry to post this here on this thread.. but did the entire off topic discussion ( archive and all) just get wiped out? No posts pull up. Is it just me?


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    • MT

      bo My last post on japantoday is removed again . They wont let me go against that mike o brien guy ,,
      I am not going to waste anymore time on that cause i dont think many people will be reading that page anymore , since it s just "old news" .
      Thanks for your support .
      Keep up the good work .


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      • bo bo

        This is up right now MT

        'Japan Today, hats off to your outstanding focus and drive to scrub away comments that expose the state of things in Fukushima. If only TEPCO and the Japanese government possessed your drive and focus we may not be in the mess we are in today.

        Good night & good luck – we're all going to need lots of it soon, pro or anti nuke. Fortunately – those fighting against nuclear power at least have good karma on our side. That's not much, you say, Mike? Pretty soon we will all be willing to cling on to anything that might possibly be of help.'


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        • bo bo

          It's pretty insane now that I'm familiar with that news site's daily headlines…
          No concern / interest whatsoever about fukushima. No sense of urgency..
          And the inane cozy chatter among Tokyo expats is outstanding laziness in my opinion, given their access to outside information ( or are they blocked ? )

          They seem completely oblivious to the fact they're boiling like frogs. :(


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          • Sickputer

            I agree Bo. Tokyo citizens are toast. Just waiting for a few more swipes of toxic butter from Fukuzilla and then it's down the radioactive gullet. Fukushima Daiichi will destroy carbon form life in central Japan.

            Fresh batch of air-driven poison headed to Big Sushi Town on Thursday and again on Saturday.

            The wind is fickle…and it's not always a nation-saving kamikaze:

            http://www.meteoblue.com/en/japan/weather-fukushima-i-nuclear-power-plant-51932?day=4

            N-100 masks should be mandatory in schools for all children under 21. Also HEPA filtering for schools. And no more playing in the snow and rain! You got that you oblivious naked apes running that country? Or should we address you as King Midas?


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          • GQR2

            Your comment is great !! Good on ya,for hanging in there and having that posted for however long it remains up. You are my heroine today bo!


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          • MT

            bo It is totally insane .
            I will just post my last message and than copy it in my pc and keep posting it again and again until they ban me .
            Lets see how that will go .


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          • MT

            my last post , as mild as possible , lets see how long it will stay on .
            —————-

            Mike , there are many isotopes which are extremely toxic and shouldn't be in the environment . We should keep in mind that when you have caesium you also have hundreds of different types of isotopes . Caesium does not travel alone .
            Pronuke supporters keep giving false information trying to play down the seriousness of this catastrophe.
            There are 3 meltdown reactors in fukushima which makes it the worst disaster this world has ever seen .
            There is leakage of hundreds of tons of the most toxic substances into the underground water and into the ocean daily .
            Everything you heard about radiation decreasing is a lie , nothing is decreasing when you have three reactors with meltdowns .
            Radiation does not dilute like chemicals , it disperses and forms hot spots and cold spots . While someone could be measuring a cold spot and getting low radiation levels , there can be a hot spot a few feet away with extremeley high levels .
            Every release of isotopes into the environment will eventually cause more sickness and death to not only humans but also to plants and animals.
            People should stop relying on the information from the main stream media which is under extreme censorship .
            Please keep in mind that , because of that censorship , i myself and many other antinuke activists are limited with what we can and cannot say on forums like this one.
            I hope you get better informed too…


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            • GQR2

              excellent comment!
              even if a few people read it
              - great good has been done.
              The memes can change and become reality based.


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              • MT

                cqr2 Thanks. We have to keep it as mild as possible otherwise it wont be published at all.


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                • bo bo

                  MT!

                  Goooood morning Vietnaaam !!
                  Kapow!


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                  • bo bo

                    MT, tried a bit more jousting after the sun came up in Tokyo… then they removed ALL my comments then blocked me from the site.

                    Troll O'brien: I am better informed. Because I read this stuff called science. I don't get my science knowledge from any media, mainstream or otherwise. I get it from scientists.

                    Me: Very interesting bias, Mike O'brien. I personally do not assume just because someone is a scientist s/he is able to inform me better. I try to be equally prudent and cautious when consuming information, regardless of if it is coming from a scientist or a journalist that has done a lot of research. ( continued )


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                    • MT

                      BO the same here, they have removed my comments as well.
                      Re-posted now .
                      I am still not banned ,,,, YET ,, so if you are banned just type your message here on enenews and let me know , so i can copy it and post it under my name ,, until they ban me as well that is :)


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                    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                      Is there no way to create an archive of all comments prior to removal to be sent to a reporter that is with us ..?


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                    • MT

                      I dont know any reporters unfortunately .
                      What i am doing now is , every time i post a comment i also save it to my pc . I wait to see if it will pass the censorship , if not , if it gets removed , i adapt it and send it again , using milder words , no facts , no data , no mention of people living near fukushima etc etc . Basically nothing too obvious , nothing anti tepco , or anti japanese government ,, and then i repost them .
                      I dont expect anyone reading that post anymore but still they do everything to make sure that a pronukers (mike o brien) message should be the last word on the subject to create the illusion as if he is telling the truth .
                      Just posted my last comment . Waiting to see how long this one will stay on.


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                  • bo bo

                    A good example of this is the renowned scientist Dr. Shunichi Yamashita – dean and professor at Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences at Nagasaki University. He has won many awards including the 1986 Investigator Award from the American College of Physicians, and has published many academic papers. Many of his papers include research on the effects of Chernobyl on people's health ( his conclusion was that increase in leukemia incidences in Belarus were most likely unrelated to radiation fallout of Chernobyl).

                    In the following infamous video he unbelievably claims: 'if you smile, radiation cannot hurt you. Happy people are protected from radiation.'

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgaBUDFeb4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

                    So you see, I definitely do not assume just because information is coming from a scientist, that it must be solid fact.


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                  • bo bo

                    (Still continued) …I hate to say this, Mike, but with the manner in which you downplay the effects of radiation on the environment and the situation at Fukushima – you remind me of one of those braindead folks who blindly believe what quacks like Dr. Yamasita says, just because 'he's a scientist at a big university.'

                    But once again, I give you the benefit of the doubt that instead, you're just another paid shill of the nuclear industry, not some gullible soul that believes unicorns poop rainbows and marshmallows. Good day. Bo. :)


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            • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

              @MT:

              Thanks for a really good summary. Keep up the good work.


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  • Dick Shenary

    In the RT article, Kevin Kamps is quoted in the first paragraph. All the rest of the article seems to have been written by someone with less than an ideal command of the English language.

    "So, I would say, it is healthy to have fear of radioactivity because it is a hazard to substance."

    Seems like we are getting some Russian help with these issues!


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

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    THE HAGUE — Japan will announce Monday that it will turn over to Washington more than 700 pounds of weapons-grade plutonium and a large quantity of highly enriched uranium, a decades-old research stockpile that is large enough to build dozens of nuclear weapons, according to American and Japanese officials.

    The announcement is the biggest single success in President Obama’s five-year-long push to secure the world’s most dangerous materials, and will come as world leaders gather here on Monday for a nuclear security summit meeting. Since Mr. Obama began the meetings with world leaders — this will be the third — 13 nations have eliminated their caches of nuclear materials and scores more have hardened security at their storage facilities to prevent theft by potential terrorists.


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  • Nick

    Fukushima?

    Forget it, we have to deal with climate change!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/us/politics/white-house-to-introduce-climate-data-website.html?_r=0

    Face it, our military-industrial-nuclear-complex has poisoned the earth.

    Why would anyone in government admit that?

    No, pay no attention to the anti-nuke shills.

    The Atomic Age must live!


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  • Nick

    http://www.education.noaa.gov/Ocean_and_Coasts/Ocean_Pollution.html

    No mention of radiation here.

    Guess NOAA doesn't really monitor radiation in the oceans.


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  • Dick Shenary

    "President Obama and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said the plutonium and highly enriched uranium would be disposed of in the US." This is not good news as the US is not very adept at storing high level waste (now called RH). Is the USA to become the nuclear garbage dump for the whole world? How insane our elected reps. have become.


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    • Sol Man

      It seems assuredly so and add to that the production water polluted wells, aquifers. Now how are the ptb to explain their death wish, for the entire ecosystem?


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    • Shaker1

      Maybe what they're planning to do to 'dispose' of that PU is to plant a small charge on the ship or plane carrying it and lose it somewhere in the deep Pacific. It certainly hasn't been proved that the US is the leader in nuclear disposal, has it? Which country would that be anyway? France? Britain? Russia? Personally, I think the disposal technology reached its maturity and now lapsing into imcompetence, like a grandmother whose children are so irresponsible she's given the chore to keep up with their children. Mark my words, as the inventory keeps growing MOX or some strategy of 'use' will be foisted upon the 'we need to SOMETHING with it' public with which the current philosophy of civilian-designed and managed, market-driven and politically-funded technology will not keep up. Hanford languishes with such, and even at that point its technology is one 'accident' removed from needing to abandon the whole investment. Let's face it. We still haven't moved beyond the poor farmer's strategy of filling the low spots in the rocky areas of the field with the unwanted. Success of burial is currently measured in simple decades now while the waste may as well be immortal in human terms. Hell, there's no certain collective memory beyond about 6000 years.

      Where has all the genius gone?
      Long time passing.
      Where has all the genius gone?
      Long time ago.
      Where has all the genius gone?
      Gone to graveyards, everyone.
      When will we ever learn?
      When will we ever learn?


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  • jcfougere jcfougere

    Radiation is harmless.
    Pu is part of background.
    You get more radiation from eating a few bananas.
    If you eat your own ass you become a butt fairy.

    Each of these sentences hold the same validity.


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  • Sol Man

    The world is on a death trajectory and the politicians and corporatists don't mind one bit as long as they get their share of the profits.


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  • Lively discussion in Cali
    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_25404983/fukushima-radiation-near-half-moon-bay-state-health#comment-1299062665

    State deniers and minimizers and "less than background folks"

    How would being scared of the beach affect the people and economy of California? Would this fear roll over to fear of California produce?


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    • This mother's comment is typical and sad. :(

      She stayed away after the video first came out, but once the Fukushima link was debunked, she decided any risks were outweighed by the physical and emotional benefits to her four children, ages 1 to 8, of playing by the ocean. – San Jose Mercury News

      I got news for you. It was not debunked. Maybe a difference of opinion, but not debunked by any means.

      Scroll down and read 'The Glowden State'
      They should have tested the water, not the sand.
      http://www.enviroreporter.com/2014/03/fukushima-the-perfect-crime/all/1/

      My Rule 1
      DO NOT put children at risk!

      Their Rule 1
      Don't say or do anything that will have a negative affect on the economy, even if it means harming children.

      They should have tested the water, not the sand. Now those kids may get sick 30 years from now and they'll never know why. I'll know why, because their mother 'accepted' false or inaccurate information regarding radiation contamination from government officials.

      Mitigation, mitigation, mitigation… ;)


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    • PaciFistic Pacifisitic

      Whether you're an unconscious or a dedicated mainstreamer, if you have vested interests, something you're attached to, it'd be hard to go with anything close to what most enenewsers perceive as the 'truth.' You'd be searching for tangents of escape, running up to a comfortable position on the scale to work out a plausible scenario that can be lived with.

      Cut to the chase: for sentient beings our planet is rapidly being rendered as toast. On one side from nuclear toxicity, the other from climate over-heating. Fukushima is unsolvable. 415 other plants worldwide, many aging, constantly venting, accidents increasing. Climate change is evermore rapidly accelerating Arctic meltdown with awesome releases of methane, playing havoc with the jet stream. When the Antarctic fully succumbs to unprecedented upsurges of heat, oceans will have risen 50 metres.

      The global economy, finance and trade may collapse but can be ignored in the short term. Once authorities of nations with even limited self-sufficiency yet possessing top-level reserves of military force gain clarity on where it's all headed, once realization of the 'truth' we've been discussing hits home, they'll know what in the realm of the unthinkable needs doing; they'll want to get moving. Preparations are in place, however tentative. No major power wants to be left behind. Yet in the post-collapse world of hardscrabble survival, there'll be room for only one dominant.

      Can truth prepare one for…


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      • PaciFistic Pacifisitic

        The last 2 words cut: "…the inevitable?"


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      • zogerke zogerke

        pacifistic (i am a pacifist btw), you wrote:
        >Fukushima is unsolvable. <

        while my heart believes that, my head wants to think otherwise. i think of phillup up north, others on here who have proposed engineering suggestions, etc, for beginning actions to curtail releases.

        i want to name: thinking we cannot do anything- makes for social paralysis: makes us more pliant well behaved masses.

        i do not want to be pliant and well behaved. i want to support what is life-affirming.

        i am naming the dilemma of on one hand- expressing the despair i feel in this…on the other hand…expressing- we cannot give up/ we need to push for action to save what is left of the planet.

        and no, i do not have an answer. all i find i can do is educate and name.


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        • PaciFistic Pacifistic

          zogerke, a heart/head duality I have too. Elsewhere today, commented proactively. You'll see from 'ic' in my name, am not an 'ist,' thus a 'tendency' to be dual. Some improvement after removing an 'i.' Essentially, am not split. We're in the world; hard not to be of it. We can truly be free. Coming down to the crunch, that's where it's best to go. For now, to work with something highly existential. That's where it's at; damned if we do, or don't. Our given lot, no denying.

          So even if unsolvable, effort can be made. In all sorts of directions. May prove to be just going through the actions. Certainly, people in Japan affected can be helped.

          As for the physical, an ice-wall needs power, which is not guaranteed. I've thought of a thick concrete semi-circular wall built deep in the ground a little west of the Fuku complex. Groundwater flowing down from the mountain bsckdrop would be diverted around the complex into the ocean. Main issue while excavating is contaminated ground water back-flow, plus cracking from constant seismic activity. Latter problem is eliminated by ice. Perhaps a combination of ice and concrete is optimal, the best hoped for, knowing there'll always be some ongoing leakage.

          So many aspects to the Fuku conundrum as to pose one super-grand aggravation, that understandably other parties outside of TEPCO/Japan steer away from considering it all.

          Intuition tells me Fuku is part of mankind's Waterloo (a pun?).


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  • hey as long as people use electricity from any source than the nukers have right to claim justifiable genocide right? I mean, the nukers invented electricity. why die late in life when you can get poisoned and die a slow painful death from cancers eating your guts, brains and bones because a few psychopaths claim the right of industry to maim, kill and control the planets overall health so even fewer make a few billion in bonuses on wall st.


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  • weeman

    There was a very conscious decision to move airborne contamination to waterborne contamination.
    Why is simple, we would all be dead right now if all three reactors and SFP vapiourized and all contaminants end up being airborne, they are playing for time and that is all, the end result is the same, death on two legs.
    Time is the enemy and tepco is out of its depth, help is required.


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    • Yes.

      Do you recall when Ken Buesseler said grimly, "its better in the ocean." (apologies but I don't have the citation)

      I wondered about that comment because Buesseler loves the ocean.

      But what I think he meant was that it is better for HUMANS if the fuel is in the ocean rather than the atmosphere (although eventually some radionuclides in the water will end up in the atmosphere).

      We simply kill ourselves more slowly if the fuel is in the ocean.


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  • Mack Mack

    Dr. Caldicott tweeted this on March 12:

    “One millionth of a gram of plutonium if inhaled can cause cancer, as a tiny volume of cells receive a huge dose of alpha radiation”


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    • Mack,

      My estimates are that 150 Microgram to 450 Micrograms are a pretty for sure going to kill you range.

      Indeed a single microgram could kill, just as a single moisquito or a single baseball strike to the head could kill.

      Just saying that the 1 microgram is hard to support, and is thus easy fodder for pro nukers to shoot down….I tried to joist this issue on some pro nuke site and 1 microgram was indefensible.

      Around 10 tons of plutonium was released in cold war testing, i have heard, have not tried to recreate that data or do a back of the envelope reality check. Of course of that 10 tons, not all went into human lungs, that is the issue.

      However, levels less than 150 micrograms could indeed causes weakness, minor lung tumors that don't kill, go to liver and causes trouble, and just all kinds of other negatively synergistics effect with all the other balderdash being through at our bodies, chemicals, bad food, banker stress.

      stock out


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      • VanneV VanneV

        Why Is Plutonium More Dangerous than Uranium?
        “Scientists say plutonium may be the worst of all the fission byproducts that could enter the environment as a result of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. That's why MOX fuel rods that are piled up in spent fuel pools near the Unit 3 reactor, which consist of a mix of plutonium and uranium isotopes, have become the number one concern of workers at the plant.
        “Plutonium-239, the isotope found in the spent MOX fuel, is much more radioactive than the depleted Uranium-238 in the fuel.
        “Plutonium emits alpha radiation, a highly ionizing form of radiation, rather than beta or gamma radiation. External exposure to alpha particles isn't much of a health risk, because they have a low penetration depth and are usually stopped by skin. When alpha-emitters get inside cells, on the other hand, they are extremely hazardous. Alpha rays sent out from within cells cause somewhere between 10 and 1,000 times more chromosomal damage than beta or gamma rays. …”
        http://www.livescience.com/33127-plutonium-more-dangerous-uranium.html


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      • VanneV VanneV

        Why credence to a dilution theory? Better to stick to the truth as published by nuclear energy experts:

        How much plutonium does it take
        to overdose a person?
        Letter from the Atomic Energy Control Board
        (followed by comments from CCNR)
        ________________________________________
        re: Maximum Permissible Intake
        of Plutonium by Inhalation
        0.1 micrograms can overdose one civilian

        http://www.ccnr.org/max_plute_aecb.html


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      • VanneV VanneV

        The Pro-Nukes are lying about how much plutonium was realeased. It was only 5 lbs. and it wasn't spread evenly around the world.


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        • VanneV VanneV

          POTENTIAL HEALTH RISKS FROM POSTULATED ACCIDENTS INVOLVING THE Pu-238 RTG ON THE ULYSSES SOLAR EXPLORATION
          MISSION

          “…Between 1945 and 1976, about 26,000 curies (5 pounds of human-made 238Pu) were released into the atmosphere: 9820 curies from the atmospheric testing of plutonium bobs, and 17,000 curies from the satellite that burned up as it reentered the atmosphere in 1964. Of the total, based on samplings throughout the world, only 0.00055 pounds has been inhaled or ingested by all human beings….”
          https://www.fas.org/nuke/space/pu-ulysses.pdf


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  • Nick

    I suggest Californians that have been using their energies on fighting climate change and smog, switch to becoming avid ant-nukers.

    If no one is testing or monitoring what Fukushima is/will be offering up on the coastline no one will connect the dots when little Johnny climbs out of the water with Strontium-90 burns.

    Breath the ocean air, if you dare.

    Swim, surf, frolick in the vast Pacific at your own risk.

    I would think that there is some intelligence somewhere in California/Oregon/Washington.

    Start using your brain pans and make decisions now about the rest of your life.

    Organic produce from California is an oxymoron.

    You cannot wish this shit away. It will come to your shores.


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  • I have calculated the biological half life of Strontium to be 333 years. For all intents, thats "forever"

    This study was based on people on a polluted Russian River, who were dosed for a while, and then it stopped. They have full body scans done, over decades so the strontium loading could be accurately determined.

    Its the best data out there. I will present it as a formal study, but need a few hours to make it presentable. But it passed the toughest peer review of all….stock out.


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  • jackassrig

    I was reading about the health effects of radiation in “Killing Our Own” by Harry Wasserman and Norman Soloman. In that book he talks about the damage to the DNA of one cell. That’s just one tiny cell and at first blush not much to worry about. I remember a long time ago, our assignment was to calculate the number of amoeba after 24 hours if they divided every 30 minutes. Also, the teacher wanted us to find out the time when they had reached ½ the total. This is a geometric progression an = ar^(n-1) where a is the number starting = 1, r = 2 because they are doubling and n = number of intervals = 48.
    A48 = 2^47 = 1.407E+14. Since there are not .407 amoeba, I will say 1E+14. There is a method to get integers but don't have the time. The amoeba double on the 23 hour.
    Of course this is the number if the amoeba are unfettered in their dividing but still if account is taken for immune system attacking and maybe too much radiation to survive, a huge number. I can see how infants and children can be severely impacted.

    Please correct any errors.


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  • jackassrig

    I don't know how often a human cell divides but the numbers can get humugous.


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  • Nick

    Ionizing radiation doesn't care who you are. The decaying atoms zap whatever is in the way.

    Rapidly dividing cells are often the most vulnerable.

    If you saw someone with intestinal distress today, are you SURE it isn't related to Fukushima's Fallout?

    If you saw a person with a nosebleed today, are you SURE it isn't radiation?

    If you had a sleepless night last night, are you SURE it wasn't due to ionizing atoms zapping your melatonin and serotonin molecules?

    DNA mutations do happen all the time but Fukushima and a slew of other nuclear goodies are accelerating the natural order of things.

    That's why ya have to pay attention to this shit.


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  • name999 name999

    Honestly, the lies hurt more than the truth.


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  • GQR2

    Headline Tepco fails to restart Fukushima water decontamination process.
    http://rt.com/news/tepco-fukushima-radioactive-water-981/
    the threat to the one sea of the earth increases daily and forever,
    the house built of cards on a cliff shore
    falls down slowly crushing the world with slow steady poison
    Bio accumulating. The earth is mori bound.
    Sacred Nature's
    life force violated by mankind's invention.
    The chain reactions,the death spiral of Nuclear Radiation cannot be stopped.


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  • JimLynch

    I know this is off topic but distribution is critical Please forward:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26726745


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Rare Skin Infections Linked to Seafood From NYC Chinatowns | Food Safety News
    http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/03/rare-skin-infections-linked-to-seafood-from-nyc-chinatowns/#.UzFEzpK9KSN
    Has this been seen yet … Hmmmm

    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Study: E. Coli Bacteria Can Build Resistance Quickly, Even To Ionizing Radiation | Food Safety News
    http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/03/e-coli-bacteria-can-bult-resistance-quickly-even-to-ionizign/#.UzFF9JK9KSM

    Study: E. Coli Bacteria Can Build Resistance Quickly, Even To Ionizing Radiation
    BY NEWS DESK | MARCH 19, 2014
    Totally on their own, E. coli bacteria have shown that they can evolve to a point where they are resistant to antibiotic drugs. Now some of the nation’s top scientists are showing how E. coli bacteria can resist ionizing radiation. They are taking advantage of the bacteria’s built-in ability to evolve when they encounter hostilities in the environment.

    “Evolution of extreme resistance to ionizing radiation via genetic adaptation of DNA repair” is the name of the study by a 12-member research team from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Louisiana State University and A&M College. The findings of the study are published in the online journal eLife.

    According to the University of Wisconsin, the scientists involved in the study “coaxed the model bacterium Escherichia coli to dramatically resist ionizing radiation and, in the process, reveal the genetic mechanisms that make the feat possible.”

    The study found that E. coli could withstand doses radiation that would otherwise doom a microbe after only a handful of genetic mutations. Authors of the study said their findings provide understanding of how…


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  • demise

    It's all a big cover-up. The US and Japanese government cannot tell how bad this really is for two reasons. First, there is nothing they can do to solve the problem. Second, releasing the information would cause their party tremendous political harm and possibly unrest.
    You'll never get the straight story from them when it's this bad and it is!


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