PBS: “U.S. surveillance now suggested that there were flakes of deadly radioactive fuel scattered around the reactors” at Fukushima plant — U.S. made secret plans to evacuate all citizens from Japan (VIDEO)

Published: February 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm ET


Title: Inside Japan’s Nuclear Meltdown
Source: PBS
Date: Feb 28, 2012

At 40:00 in

The United States government began to draw up plans to evacuate 90,000 of its citizens from Japan. For now, they advised all Americans to stay at least 50 miles from the plant. The Japanese evacuation zone remained at 12 miles.

U.S. surveillance now suggested that there were flakes of deadly radioactive fuel scattered around the reactors. This meant that anyone who approached the plant would be risking their lives.

Watch the full video here

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Published: February 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm ET


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129 comments to PBS: “U.S. surveillance now suggested that there were flakes of deadly radioactive fuel scattered around the reactors” at Fukushima plant — U.S. made secret plans to evacuate all citizens from Japan (VIDEO)

  • tjharleycjmp

    but anymore, it all safely blew into the ocean…. so much safety!

    • "There’s no mention of why the nuclear fuel is outside of the reactors and/or spent fuel pools."

      Reactor 3 and Spent fuel pool blew back in March !!!
      It's been reported that is was blown over vase a area as much as over a mile from the plant ! We could see blue spots in the wooded areas far from the plant !

      • CB CB

        I thought it was 60 miles xdrfox?

        • CB,
          All reports I have read was that the explosion blew particles of the rods as far as a mile and a half from the plant ! Many story's had this in the story line !
          So they had to be laying on the ground around the plant, there was a overhead video shots of the reactors and it showed pieces of pellets from the fuel rofs in the mix od debris !

    • Kevin Kevin

      Being the anniversary of this disaster we are going to be showered with such Propoganda

      Suzuki offered his fluff piece last night

      In a few days Frontline, who had once been pretty good is now lowered into the abyss of disinformation, will offer there gloss over of the issues. Just to name a couple, here is the Front line link


        • aigeezer aigeezer

          Hi Kevin. I read the CBC article from your link. I found the article rather useful by CBC standards. For example:

          "As David discovers, there is deep mistrust of what the authorities are saying. It has led to citizens setting up their own radiation testing stations, and a struggle to promote radiation awareness throughout the country.

          With the recognition that nuclear energy has potentially serious consequences, David finds that there is a strong move away from it in Japan. They’re exploring obvious alternatives like solar and wind. But aside from these natural resources, they’re also investigating tidal power."

          I hope that kind of seed might sprout somewhere in a CBC audience, or at least register subliminally.

          • Kevin Kevin

            In my opinion, Suzuki's show dealt with the nuclear disaster with kit gloves, held up the official narrative but it was not the primary focus of the documentary. But rather he underscored the "opportunity" Japan now has to lead us in a new direction away from Nuclear and he highlighted some of the work in that regard. From ocean turbine technology to steam generated from magnesium.

            It was a soft sell, very canadian, no demonizing nuclear just a soft push in a new direction.

            • aigeezer aigeezer

              Hi Kevin. The "no demonizing nuclear" might be a smart move – give the pro-nukers a way out with dignity rather than forcing them to push back forever. I wish we could know for sure which approach will work, but folk wisdom says one should not aggressively corner a wounded beast.

              I would be grumpy if Areva, GE or Westinghouse suddenly muscled into the wind-farm business, but I'd rather see that than see them continue their nuke practices. Those companies won't just quietly go away, but a soft push might help them reinvent themselves.

              For Suzuki this may just be another milestone in his life's work. Years ago I came upon him in a clearing in Stanley Park where he was earnestly telling a small group of students about the damage done to conifers by exhaust fumes from the causeway. Infinitely patient, sincere style, knowledgeable, very measured. It's who he is. That's what a CBC audience expects from him – he can play Good Cop to Rick Mercer's Bad Cop.

              One reason I take this (possibly naive) approach is that when I look at the pro-nuke sites when they are not being defensive, I see mostly ordinary people leading ordinary lives. Even Homer Simpson "is essentially a decent man and fiercely devoted to his family." Pushing such people gently in a new direction might just work.


              The once unassailable British coal industry went from employing over 1 million people to its present workforce of about 6,000. Nukes are next to go, one way or another, gentle push or not.



              Thanks again for the link. Maybe I'm just a sucker for Suzuki's style. 😉

              • Kevin Kevin

                I completely agree, all techniques and tactics are required to win.

                Suzuki is not known for his hardball.

                He also has legal issues to deal with and all the pressures of mainstream messaging.

                That said, the soft push works well when someone somewhere cracks down the reality.

                That aspect is missing in this.

                Finally, a soft push (Carrot|)with the most powerful does not work without the swift and hard crack (stick).

                Even then, with these guys, none of it barely matters.


              • Arizonan Arizonan

                Somehow I don't feel at all bad if we manage to "corner a wounded beast" who has been slaughtering the villagers left right and center for fifty years. Nope. No tears for that one.

                The problem is, we delude ourselves if we think their power will fade that far that fast. They are even now this year going to open a brand new uranium poison pit at the Grand Canyon, since demand for uranium is so high these days (????) Nothing like poisoning the water table and the people for a few generations in the interest of generating a few more profits as you go out…poor little wounded beast…not.

  • See.. now they are getting more accurate. No more conditional sentenses…
    Do they mean they should have evacuated people 11 months ago?
    Are they loosing control on everything?
    Who managed the blackout?

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    “@TIME: After the Fukushima disaster, U.S. scientists got pretty confused | http://ti.me/wHU9iU (via @TIMEWorld)”
    The transcripts bare the frustration among NRC officials in deciphering what was happening at the plant in the initial days after a 9.0 earthquake sent a tsunami crashing into the nuclear power plant. The conversations indicate the agency felt over-reliant on press reports in getting information about what exactly was happening at the plant. In a NRC conference call on March 12, an unidentified male participant says: “Have you had any contact with the Japanese government or any of the other entities over there? We’re kind of… in a situation where we’re getting the bulk of our information from media outlets.” Another unidentified person on the call responded: “We’re in the same situation.”

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Adding HERE in case some of you missed it from this Morning:
      Official Transcript of Proceedings
      Title: Japan's Fukushima Daiichi ET Audio File

      • Whoopie Whoopie

        LOOK AT PAGE 20 LINES 20-25

        Quoting some members earlier:

        Page 63 about Chairman Jaczko asking about his employees who were enroute to Japan and he wants to know did they get their Ki (potassium iodide). Seems NRC employees knew to take and were provided this thyroid cancer supplement, but screw the rest of the world.

      • lam335 lam335

        This document/file is apparently no longer available. I've tried clicking the link several times, but the page will not load on my computer.

    • rooks rooks

      I remember this time vividly. They were following NHK as a source.

    • Alice Alice

      HaHaHa to the image of clueless experts.

      I guess we really are all in the same life boat and it's full of holes and sinking with each passing hour.

  • Total Fukushima Radiation Released Into Ocean, Air, Groundwater, Storage Tanks, etc http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3069802
    A Green Road Blog

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    It seems to me I read here or heard thru Arne's site, (other long-time readers remember this too?) that fuel pellet bits were found up to 3 miles from the plant.

  • CaptD CaptD

    Notice how they use tech talk to downplay the problems, instead of speaking in language that everyone can understand… This is yet more Nuclear Baloney (NB)!

  • James2

    I think it's interesting that they had no information – however they were worried about what came out of the core of #3, and yet they issued press releases that said there was no danger.

    How many times have we seen that – claim all is OK whether you know it or not, then trumpet the news if it turns out to be true or more often cover it up when you find out it's not.

  • Is anyone surprised? We all saw the cooling pools blow sky-high.

  • dear jones

    The Japanese Government and those who control the country just want to hold the country together at long as they can, so that they have time to transfer their family and money out of japan.
    For the japan people who let their Government do this is just the same as in the past that they let their Government to invade other country.

    • bcguy

      Problem is, if there is radiation pollution everywhere, there is no safe place. I don't understand how people can think it's safe anywhere now. It's just going to get worst….

    • rooks rooks

      Your first statement is true. The second statement is true as well but the Japanese do not want to be informed. They do not seek the truth. The culture does not think in the future tense and they think kids are expendable for the most part. I cannot say this more – the Japanese can only think in the present tense.

  • The fact that no information has been released almost a YEAR after the accident tells me something, and it is NOT good.

    Any airplane that crashes, they send in a forensics team, and analyse the whole accident, pull it apart, put it together, with a TEAM of experts from all over, while focusing on SAFETY, and how to PREVENT t from happening again. They ask the question;



    The same mistakes are being made over and over and over again and and again..


    Because the process is not transparent, not open, not inclusive and not verifiable via scientists who might be interested in participating..

    It is SECRET, HIDDEN AWAY, COVERED UP, and denial is the watchword.

    No actual figures are released. No actual meter readings are released from DOWNWIND or on the VENT STACKS or from over open reactors, or open spent fuel pools.

    What is the result?


    and worse to come in the future, because few or no lessons are learned.

  • kintaman kintaman

    US video surveillance suggested there were flakes of deadly radioactive fuel scattered around the reactors.

    Were?? Sure, you mean ARE….and beyond the reactor site even.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Here is the problem, The U.K. U.S. advised their citizens to evac 50+km after the explosions of the NPP's. Japan (TEPCO) advised only a 12km evac zone. Country's that helped Japan with the design and building their nuclear energy needs U.S., U.K. One would come to the conclusion that the U.S. and the U.K. knew more about the dangers of one of these exploding than Japan and therefor lied to them about any potential threat from a disaster. Why didn't the U.S. BEG the Japan government to increase their evac zone?

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    The most telling piece of evidence to this disaster is the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan just off shore at the time, NOT coming to the aid of the Japanese but turn tail and running like a bat out of hell!

    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      AND….scrubbing the whole ship down several times….with rad suits on.
      AND …these ships have to have nothing but the best rad detection equipment…..but you'll never hear it on the mainstream news!

      • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

        LOL exactly PoorDaddy. Good evening, somebody else in here tonight. I thought everyone had gone home….bed.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Really starting to snow now at Daiichi. Guess you could this nuclear this a nuclear winter and mean it!


  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    I wish they had a delete post button. How embarrassing.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    According to an article at rense.com there are no longer any journalists attending TEPCO press meetings…


  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Foreign Journalists

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Well not to 'muddy the waters' or stir up controversy, but it is interesting that Leuren Moret has said that at the time of both the Haiti and Indonesian quakes, there was an American military ship standing near-by. She said this is a kind of a 'signature' of a HAARP quake. (Needless to say, they are not there to 'help.')

    Haiti has a lot of resources that the elites want to tap – gold and other mineral wealth, and a cheap labor pool.

    She is of the opinion that HAARP was used to trigger these two quakes, and the information she presents to support this theory is quite detailed and persuasive. She also believes that HAARP was used to trigger the Fuk. quake. Again she presents a good deal of supporting data.

    Her comments right after Fuk.- I mean right after – were very prescient, very accurate – she foretold it all, that Tokyo and other areas in Japan should be evacuated, as well as Hawaii and the West Coast of the USA. She predicted many deaths from it, at least the one million mentioned by Arnie. She mentioned the Stuxnet virus having been previously introduced to the Fukushima computer system.

    Personally I think that one cannot dismiss out of hand the possibility that the Fuk. quake was HAARP-triggered. HAARP does have the capability to trigger such 'off the record quakes' – in areas, of course, where there are active faults, especially faults that are poised and ready to slip.

    She knows that the elites have a population reduction agenda, and this could be a way to produce 'deniable'deaths, deaths that happen years after the quake and to most people will seem entirely unrelated.

    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      Well bleep, they can tap all they want and greet the public with they're fake reassuring smiles but the fact is we are all dead.

  • Why can't you watch the whole video if your outside the UK? Flakes of MOX fuel all over how nice. All told to us after the fact. Why was Japan evacuation area smaller then US? Because Japanese gov wanted it that way. They don't have the real estate to properly evacuate this nuclear disaster. Evacuate Tokyo? Only when the people start glowing. Evacuating Tokyo would tank the Japanese and possibly the world economy. Japan is a huge player in the global economy. They don't want to rock the boat. Gas just went up 8 cents a litre making it $1.41 a litre here in Vancouver while if you cross the border its around a buck a litre in Blaine Washington. Some idiot named Michael Smart is advocating taxing food. Says not taxing food is an advantage for the rich not the poor! The Federal Transport agency (Transport Canada ) is saying that it is OK to pilot supertankers through the inside channel to service the proposed pipeline from Alberta oilsands to the BC coast. These are the big news stories I am hearing in my part of the world. Not Fukushima. I feel I'm living in an Orwellian B movie. What about you? Eventually people will find out the extent of nuclear pollution we have already been exposed to and the chance that things could still get worse if spent fuel pools start burning ( if they haven't already ) Of course a certain silent group know exactly what is going on. No doubt this is being managed and spun. Reason why? I think a combination of nuclear interests and general economic interests. As Japans economy slowly unwinds it will affect the global markets. Thats my opinion. Ten years down the road when cancer rates soar, the expert scientists will say Oh we are surprised the cancer rates rose so dramatically. I would like to see accountability in my government and yours, where ever you live. An uneducated man says "I don't know". An educated man says "I was not aware". Both answers are equally evasive.

    God Bless

  • TheWorldIsBlind

    this snow looks bad

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Yes…cesium 137…

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Forgot to mention, Leuren Moret also said – leave! Leave if you can, not just Japan but also if you live in Hawaii or the West Coast. She suggests on the Equator in South America, in the mountains.

    For those who don't know, Leuren is a long-time anti-nuke activist, who has worked with the anti-nuke power plant movement in Japan, with those in Japan who tried to prevent the reactors being built. I believe she is on the record as having predicted 8-10 years ago something like this Fuk. disaster happening.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Glad to see you posting Info that WE know…but others may not KNOW.
      FAVED BLADES! Night all….

    • Siouxx Siouxx

      The article was written in the Japan Times May 23, 2004 "Japan's deadly game of nuclear roulette" http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20040523x2.html I read it a couple of days after the event at Fuku. It is pretty chilling:

      "After visiting the center (Emergency Response Centre) a few kilometers from Hamaoka, I realized that Japan has no real nuclear-disaster plan in the event that an earthquake damaged a reactor's water-cooling system and triggered a reactor meltdown.

      Additionally, but not even mentioned by ERC officials, there is an extreme danger of an earthquake causing a loss of water coolant in the pools where spent fuel rods are kept. As reported last year in the journal Science and Global Security, based on a 2001 study by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if the heat-removing function of those pools is seriously compromised — by, for example, the water in them draining out — and the fuel rods heat up enough to combust, the radiation inside them will then be released into the atmosphere. This may create a nuclear disaster even greater than Chernobyl."

      I wish I could also find the article I read about how the Fukushima plant is built on a man-made hardcore base because the land is reclaimed from the sea – which probably explains a lot about the leaning tower of Unit 4.

  • bcguy

    I'm at a point where I don't care any longer. I live on van. Island bc and now know I have and still am being exposed to some type of radiation isotopes. It sure was nice back in the day when things were normal.

    I'm so happy I don't have children today. I feel sorry or those who still think everything's ok. I'm 40 now and know I have to make the best of my short lived life worthwhile. I now know I'll be getting cancer of some sort. Life was good.

    • bcguy

      Just looking through the net today I find myself wondering why people around me are so tame about this situation. I ask, try to talk to people, even tried to get information from local media… Not even a reply back. I wonder what and why people are so stupid. After all this will eventually effect their wives, children, fathers, mothers and other loved ones. Even much loved pets people are so fond of.

      If the reactor 3 is gone with it containment vessel along with the spent fuel rods… We are in a serious situation. Wow, and nothing from the media. I wonder what will happen when all these people on the western side of America will start to develop cancer in large numbers… Will this wake people up? The problem is the while northern hem is in trouble. The food, seafood, everything… I feel sory for humanity.

    • Siouxx Siouxx

      I'm a firm believer that diseases are triggered by emotional as well as physical factors. I'm 50 and have no kids but I have other close family from babes in arms up and they are going to be left to clean up this **** I certainly am going to do all I can not to get killed off by corporate greed and incompetence, after a life of being positive, organic and moreover of being actively anti-nuclear. There are foods to protect you, you can build a greenhouse over your food and shelters to protect your poultry's water and food plates in the rain as we have done. Being positive is one of the ways to fight cancer. I live in France so I am no way in the same line of fire as you are but if I was I would a, move, or b, take protective measures in diet for a start. I live in nuke plant land but on March 11 sortir du nucléaire is organising a human chain all the way down the main Nuclear corridor (why we don't drink wine from this region) from Lyon to Avignon here is a song about it to cheer you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eplknUXlrlo&feature=uploademail Love and Best Wishes and get out of the tax bracket, get self-sufficient and above all get that greenhouse built.

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Siouxx, I hope the human chain in the south of France will be a huge success!! I follow sortir du nucleaire's news for years – they do great stuff in the pro-nuke homecountry!
        Just read yesterday that the Fessenheim plant will have its ground slab reinforced under the reactors for 13 million each…wonder how that will work…
        Please make a good choice at the Presidential election, will you? 😉


        • Sickputer

          BnB gave some news about Alsace Frankenstein scientists building a stronger vault for their big monsters:

          >Just read yesterday that the Fessenheim plant will have its ground slab reinforced under the reactors for 13 million each…wonder how that will work…

          SP: Let's see… Just how thick will it be and of what material should they use to stop a 4,000 Centigrade corium fireball? ;-). IT WON'T MATTER! The corium will only be slowed a bit. Fukushima teaches us that buckets of water and steel bells and concrete slabs can't stop a massive ball of nuclear fire. It is a mini-sun and when it gets out if control then there is literally hell to pay.

          They must be running a little scared in wine land and that is good. That plant has the weakest slab of any in France. But reinforcing it will not stop a disaster exactly like Fukushima.. Nuclear plants are impossible to run safely and they should all be shuttered before we are all dead or living as mutants.

          Some info on the French plant: http://www.french-nuclear-safety.fr/index.php/content/download/30647/197246/file/Opinion+2011-AV-0120+EN.pdf

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Morning SP, the reinforcement from 1,5 to 2,0 m thickness was demanded by the ASN (French NRC). That is just ridiculous….It's their oldest plant, and this "investment in security" will enable EDF to keep it online for another 20 years.
            Sarkozy visited two weeks ago and told the workers not to fear for their jobs, "it would be madness to shut down this safe and well-operating plant. We need it."

            He'll win the elections, I'm afraid.

            • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

              So that makes 50 cm plus for the slab. Seismic active area, btw.

            • Sickputer

              BnB typed this prediction: "He'll win the elections, I'm afraid. [French leader Nicholas Sarkozy]"

              SP: Well of course he will win because he has enormous support from Areva, just like Obama and GE and David Cameron and EDF. That corporatocratic trifecta is playing a dangerous game of politics bowing to dangerous technologies that as we know now can wreak utter chaos on society when things go bad. And with nuclear meltdowns the resulting financial and government upheaval is game changing for regimes.

              The Soviet Union government was certainly impacted by Chernobyl. The lack of transparency broke asunder that union and Chernobyl was a rallying cry for the breakup.

              Japan faces devastation that dwarfs Chernobyl. Will the military corporatacracy remain in control despite the overwhelming loss of public support for the government? Probably so. The Japanese are so homogenous that dissent is hard to fan… especially from an issue that is so hard to define. The real enemy is alien, invisible, and kills people with no regard for social status. Blaming the government solves little at this stage as those corporate hardliners are just as frightened.

              This Japanese crisis is a different set of dynamics than the Soviet Union. In Japan's tiny island there is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Evacuation is essentially a moot point as the slightly "safer" zones in western Japan are a false haven. The 1% in Japan of the richest will soon become halved as those with the means and the motivation will flee to dozens of foreign lands in the hopes their family members don't succumb to the deadly radiation death pandemic that is surging across all of the Japanese archipelago. With nuclear fuel still emitting at enormous rates the bioaccumulation factor is going to contaminate all islands in the chain. When you see the American soldiers leave their bases probably within 12 months then you will know the land is uninhabitable except for mutants.

              • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                @SP: didn't you say one time that you had German ancestors? Do you know which region they were from?

                *just curious
                *nail on the head re. the Sarkozy/Areva/EDF stuff

                • Sickputer

                  Some research indicates my German ancestors came to Texas from lower Saxony, farmers and craftsman around the Hamburg area.They made it out 2 years before the terrible fire in 1842. Obenchain was their German surname.

                • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                  @SP, how cool is that. I'm from lower Saxony as well.
                  *cheers neighbour 🙂

                • Sickputer

                  Thanks… I must say I felt kinship from your graceful and eloquent postings over the past year. My great-grandmother was a grand-daughter of our German emigrant ancestor and I have an 1895 photo of her in a lovely wedding dress. She raised a large family and I visit her resting place frequently and feel the vibrations of so much family history. The world of mankind is a better place for her family guidance. Her husband died very young from typhus and my grandfather was the eldest son and went to work at age nine helping keep the family intact. Very scholarly for a man with few educational opportunities. Self-taught and a voracious reader. He is buried now for many years next to his wife and my great-grandmother.

                • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

                  A reunion and I wasn't invited?;)

                • Sickputer

                  LTEYC typed these pixels of mirth:

                  "A reunion and I wasn't invited?;)"

                  SP: Enenewers are always welcome for barbecue at my house…even the ones I disagree with.

                  But I do draw the line at lobbyists for nuclear interests. They can eat the Yellow Cake. On second thought that is a little harsh…they should be forced to attend all the funerals in Japan from the radiation pandemic.

                • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                  @SP: "graceful and eloquent postings"? Sure that you mean me? lol
                  Thanks anyway, it's great that you know so much about your family history….any enenewser is welcome at my campfire as well…good wine in the area! 🙂


              • aigeezer aigeezer

                "he will win because he has enormous support from Areva". I don't understand how that mechanism could work in 2012. Does Areva still have lots of money and influence? Are people (voters) largely unaware?… that kind of thing?

                I think I understand how elections are influenced in normal times. I just don't have a sense of what the mood is in France, especially with Germany apparently rejecting nukes since Fukushima.

                What should North Americans know about today's French nuclear/political situation that makes it different from Germany's?

                What lessons can we draw from Europe about how to stop nukes in North America?


                • Sickputer

                  aigeezer types many questions:

                  "he will win because he has enormous support from Areva". I don't understand how that mechanism could work in 2012. Does Areva still have lots of money and influence? Are people (voters) largely unaware?… that kind of thing?"

                  SP: It works just like it has for 55 years…the commercial industry money intertangled with military interests and government agencies spawned to self-propagate forever. Yes, the money involved is enormous. and Areva is a hydra-headed corporation with vast influence.

                  And yes, voters are dumb as a stump in large part because of massive public education in the French and English nations (insert Japanese also), and those educational systems presents a slant greatly in favor of the corporatocracies.

                  Big Brother if you will is alive and well and he wasn't born in 1984…more like 1884.

                  >What should North Americans know about today's French nuclear/political situation that makes it different from Germany's?

                  SP: I can only speculate with the disadvantage of my poor linguistics in German and French, but a great deal of post 1900 knowledge of European history.

                  My best theory is the people of Germany had their iron grip corporatocracy dismantled partially in 1945 and then again with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

                  The dynamics for German social activism changed (for the better in my opinion). But there are still age-old remnants of the Deutschland Big Brother and things are shaky at best for liberal reformers.

                  Their pharmaceutical industry is probably what I would call the biggest hold-over of such a Big Brother cliche, but BnB certainly has her alert ears to the train rails and knows better than I who are the big players running the money show in Germany.

                  So how does France differ? They had one of the "winning" corporatocracies leading out of World War II.


                • Sickputer

                  >What lessons can we draw from Europe about how to stop nukes in North America?

                  Radiation from serious nuclear accidents destroys people and land…forever. Social activism must be worked differently in North America because of the entrenched regimes.

                  The massive control of the main stream media precludes easy progress by dissenting viewpoints.

                  Is there hope for stopping the nuclear industry with gripping tales of contaminated lands and pandemics from radiation?

                  Possibly…as bad as I hate to say it…we know the worse Japan suffers the more tenuous becomes the influence of new nuclear plant expansion. And if it gets really bad in Japan and millions die…many countries will stop their existing plants not out of altruistic desires, but because they will fear huge financial losses from a similar nuclear accident. Bankers and dictators will make those decisions based on money…but it will help to have Internet information they will read and help them understand. Nuclear plants will not be defeated by votes…they will go away because of the Information technology sites like this one that will influence bureaucrats, bankers, and dictators.

                  They have advisors who actually can read intelligently, assess threats, and make recommendations before their own country is destroyed by the Frankenstein monsters unleased by the nuclear industry.

                  When a nuclear fire burns into the ground like at Fukushima it is too late to say we made a mistake. The nuclear fire can't be extinquished and the land can't be reclaimed for millennia.

                  That country will eventually descend into chaos and despair as death rates soar and genetic mutations sap the resources of the medical industry. Japan is the new sad poster child for nuclear disaster and there will be no hiding that fact in the coming years of pain and suffering.

                • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                  Hey aigeezer, there are, in fact,some differences…..I'll type a bit but post it over at xdrfox's thread (aka general discussion thread) – lol! 🙂
                  You know: the whole on-topic / off-topic thingie

                  *check there in a bit if you like

                • aigeezer aigeezer

                  Thanks, Sickputer and B&B.

    • CaptD CaptD


      I believe the key is to not get burnt out, this is going to last the rest of our lives and it is up to us to make the most of what we have…

      By posting on this topic and continuing to ask Leaders for answers to our "informed" questions we are part of the solution to this radioactive pollution!

  • You folks are seeing the readings becoming astronomical in Japan right, well the rest of the world is also becoming hotter and hotter with the radioactive puke !

    Soon enough the whole world, America first, will be as hot as Japan is right now !

  • Need less to say, they do not want testing revieled over the "black dust" !

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: Secret US plans to evacuate 90,000 citizens from Japan

    Why wasn't this done? Did they realize US is not a safe place, that we also are contaminated as they are?

    My computer wouldn't let me see the video, so I don't know if they said why there was no evacuation.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    WindorSolarPlease, I have a few thoughts about why it wasn't done,

    1) Doing so would implicate the U.S. in the fact they had lied to the Japanese government about the real risks of having MOX fuel reactors

    2) They knew that the 90,000 U.S. citizens had been exposed to such high dose rates that evacing them to the mainland would further contaminate more citizens in the U.S.

    3) Since they were getting ambiguous data a reply about how bad it really was from the Japanese government the U.S. did not want to risk another catastrophe in the possible deaths of rescuers.

    4) If they evaced civilian citizens then U.S. military personnel would also have to be evaced. This would have caused panic on the streets of Japan and rescuers could have been detained for an indefinite amount of time.

    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      And the most dire possibility is that the radiation release was so large that evecing them would not make a difference, dead there, dead here.

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Thank You Laterlukemayb

      All of these are very probable reasons.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    We might want to check the U.S. Japan Embassy's website to see what activity is going on if any…..I just checked and everything appears normal. By normal I mean that there isn't any mention of evacuation orders, downsizing staff, or medical emergency news.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Things can't be as bad as this site makes it out to be. Justin Bieber was there in May, couldn't possibly be as bad as the stories on the site make it out to be. So the question is for WHOM is all this radiation bad for, the Japanese or Americans???

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    60 year old man’s death at Fukushima due to overwork during overnight shift

    Japanese labor officials have granted compensation to the family of a man who worked for a construction company subcontracted to Toshiba. 60-year-old plumber Nobukatsu Oosumi from Shizuoka Prefecture was sent to the Fukushima plant in May to do piping work in a nuclear waste processing facility.

    Oosumi had worked one shift at Fukushima, an overnight shift while reportedly wearing protective mask and suit, but after his shift he died of a heart attack a day after he began work, after saying he felt ill.


    Thyroid testing in children delayed after Fukushima due to worries that monitoring would add anxiety to community….

    The Japanese Yomiuri report shows that the government’s Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters did not fulfill requests from the Cabinet’s Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan (NSC) to conduct further testing on the internal radioactive exposure of children, due to fears of how the public may react to the inspections. One tragedy endured by the Soviets after the Chernobyl disaster, was an epidemic of thyroid cancer among people exposed to the radiation as children, which to a large extent was preventable and would probably not have happened if people had been told to stop drinking locally produced, and today many argue that there is no justifiable reason for it to be repeated in Japan.


  • Peaceismyfriend Peaceismyfriend

    Anyone living in UK able to capture the BBC Doc somehow and post it on youtube? It'd be pretty interesting to watch it.. Or has someone already posted it somewhere?..

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    United States was well aware of high radiation and contamination from Fukushima – Official Docs


    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      You will need to zoom in on these docs, I don't read or speak Japanese so it's all alien to me. I will point you to doc 30 in the scroll down window. After seeing this there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that the tsunami debris field is heavily contaminated with radiation. God please help those living on the West Coast. 🙁

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    There are many docs written in English after all.

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    This is the last update by the IAEA for the Japan disaster dated June of last year. The situation remains serious they state.


  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    All right I'm off of here, tired of looking for any good news about the situation. Non-existant at this point.

  • skizexq skizexq

    those stubborn flakes! and next thing you know, you have ring around the collar.

  • mungo mungo

    the bbc are just corporatewHOreS, i still cant forget the programme they made about fukushima with dr jim al khalili, tossers.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    How much info has been withheld? We really don't know, but the likelihood is that we have already been very massively exposed, to much more than we know, and massively lied to about it.

    They are breaking it to us bit by bit, that is the stragegy. We keep hearing about this lie, that non-disclosure, etc.

    Too late, already, to 'save the world,' or moi.

    Moving more into 'eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you die' mode. It has gotten SOOO complicated – this business of 'eating right.'

    Good old TS Eliot comes to mind again…. Do I dare to eat a peach? …

    • Personally, I believe that a sensitive digital Geiger Counter is not REQUIRED to live in this world, with any modicum of safety.

      Take it food shopping. High levels of radiation will show up, but low levels take a special radiation device, so we all take our chances. I would not buy any food from Japan. If they do not care about their OWN citizens, how much will they care about you.. a feriner?

      Check out your car with it before you buy it.

      Check your tires for radiation before committing to purchase.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    The Second Coming
    by W. B. Yeats

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Former Al Jazeera Head: Attacking Iran Would Have Terrible Consequences U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb (WTH? They've been saber rattling for months now) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/iran-strike-wadah-khanfar-arab-spring_n_1297129.html?1330098231

  • dosdos dosdos

    And when the mines run out of uranium ore within this decade, then all the reactors will be converted to run MOX. We've seen what MOX can do when it melts down and the molten layers agitated by a hydrogen explosion.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    New Tweet Brings New Main at HP Containing Fukushima: Saving Japan From Itself (Part I)
    "How much of what went wrong was actually due to sheer incompetence or lack of adequate preparation as opposed to an attempt to hide the truth is unclear"

  • arclight arclight

    quite a moving bit of music on that piece.. kind of an eerie feel!!

    but to honour the anniversary of fukushima i think that the bbc should be covering this more home grown issue.. a year old news oiece, though useful to the "i didnt know that brigade" should have a radiological update on nuclear contamination in the UK… oh! but that would not be a good idea at the moment because UK/FRENCH NUCLEAR ARE BUSY "ADDING TO" THE CONTAMINATION!! in my view anyway!

    i give you this as amateur hour evidence… as the public monitoring system is in "silent mode" for the past month or so??

    25 feb 2012- hinckley nuclear PP pollutes london 12.30 hrs gmt

    timelaspsed at double speed for your viewing pleasure!! with a nice song too! will be working on talks instead of songs as the copyright is a pain! and as commented it would be more interesting! sighhh! more software to work out!!

    Hinkley Point B reactor shutdown after hydraulic fluid leak found

    Posted by Lucas W Hixson on February 23, 2012


    Activists occupying new nuclear site accuse EDF of 'ignoring democracy'

    The energy company has started work on the £10bn Hinkley Point C power station without permission to build

    reddit this

    Comments (96)

    John Vidal, environment editor

    guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 February 2012

    ""This scrutiny is fundamental to make sure that the interests of the residents who will bear the impacts of the development are fairly and properly represented. It is also a part of a legal requirement under the formal consent procedure set out by the Infrastructure Planning Commission (IPC).""



    TAKE THAT !! nuke lobby!! 🙂

  • Linduh Linduh

    I still believe several US military bases, especially Yokosuka, will shut down and relocate, due to ongoing radiation issues. The ships will relocate to Sasebo and Guam. Yokota Air Base will relocate to Kadena and Misawa.
    Just the cost alone to keep their equiptment radiation free will be too much of an expense, and the stress of families living apart while the spouse serving remains behind, will likely be the cause for closing the bases.
    Just my two cents.

    • CaptD CaptD

      I agree, since the Japanese continue to dump radioactive waste into Tokyo Bay, while at the same time "coverup" the highly radioactive Pacific Ocean "bottom" offshore of Fukushima…

      What a Nuclear WASTE

  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    This is what how the ones behind the worlds NPP planet killers view the same world you and I live in…….any questions?


  • Evacuations Notices By Different Countries For Their Citizens In Japan

    Guess where Japanese citizens come in?


    • CaptD CaptD

      Great Post!
      Everyone should help to repost this list often far and wide!

      Perfect illustration of how science can be made into Nuclear Baloney (NB)!

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      That's such a nice clear image, but I've seen nothing similar for many months. Do you know if there are ongoing photos like this?

      It would be great to make a time lapse sequence and compare it to Tepco's description of events.

      • aigeezer aigeezer

        There are two dozen or so images of the 3/11 disaster on the site Heart posted. Well worth a look, but they are all from March of 2011. Nothing at all since then that I can find.


        To view them, scroll down the huge alphabetical list until you find a cluster starting with this:


        … and another cluster starting with this:


        It sure would be nice to see some up-to-date high resolution stuff. There's so much speculation on the webcam thread here that could be quickly resolved with a single current photo.