Former Japan Ambassador: US gov’t is main reason why crisis at Fukushima Unit 4 has been “toned down” (VIDEO)

Published: October 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am ET
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Interview with Mitsuhei Murata, Former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland
English-Chinese translation by Asianjijo
Published on Aug 3, 2012
h/t onesizjk

Mitsuhei Murata, Former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland: In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason.

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104 comments to Former Japan Ambassador: US gov’t is main reason why crisis at Fukushima Unit 4 has been “toned down” (VIDEO)

  • dosdos dosdos

    Since when did people start expecting politicians to be honest?


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  • arclight arclight

    repost (second link) seemed appropriate here as the americans produce most fraudulent peer reviewed papers to support the japanese "dose theory"
    busby covers this aspect well in the linked video below..

    Nuclear industry invests in a viable future propaganda campaign -PONI

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/06/nuclear-industry-invests-in-a-viable-future-propaganda-campaign-poni/

    Two Thirds of All Scientific Publications and Research Retracted Found to Be Fraudulent and Prof C Busby on academic dishonesty (Video)

    “However, all of these peer-reviewed publications can exert great influence on decisions and the attitudes of many people, therefore the public should in no way tolerate such an epidemic.”

    And

    “Chris Busby calls for the development in Society of legal mechanisms to investigate issues of scientific dishonesty like those in Denmark. Such issues, he argues, can be seen in the same category as perjury in criminal court cases for which serious sanctions exist.”

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/07/two-thirds-of-all-scientific-publications-and-research-retracted-found-to-be-fraudulent-and-prof-c-busby-on-academic-dishonesty/


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  • dka

    I beleive US is one important reason. But UK, France and Japanese authorities as well as the Japanese Nuclear lobby also want to tone down the gravity of the situation. US alone could acheive such level of silencing the world? Japan was not silence about mad cow disease even though the US wanted so.
    So it is not possible that US alone can do that. The Japanese governement is a fascist governement that knows and decides what it wants and enforces control over the Japanese people.
    It is still refusing to tell its people that many are and will become sick from contamination.
    Of course, if the US governement would speak up about the crisis, Japan would not be able to avoid the truth to come out.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      you are spot-on dka. It is a mistake to think the Japanese government's lost all autonomy. They're in on it with those you've listed and many more weren't. Again…good stuff…


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    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      The US is complicit in Japan's lies and deceit. They know that if the truth were to come out, the Japanese economy would die, much of the agricultural industry in the US would die, all of the nuclear industry would die, and the trickle-down ramifications would cause the fragile global economy to collapse.

      That is why Hillary is promoting Japanese exports and Japanese nuclear power. If the public understood the magnitude of the calamity, there would be no way to prevent global chaos, economically as well as politically.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    A single nuclear plant is too dangerous for our planet. Millions of times more dangerous than anything.


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  • thoriumnow thoriumnow

    That the U.S. government bears the majority of the guilt here was always obvious. And it isn't limited to simply lying to the public.

    We had the opportunity to turn to the thorium fuel cycle a long, long time ago. The technology was actually working in the 1950's. It is an infinitely safer technology and thorium is a virtually limitless source of energy, one that can not only power homes but industry, automobiles and water desalination plants as well, something that neither wind nor solar can reliably claim.

    It was passed over because the crappy uranium-based technologies were required in order to produce nuclear weapons. And sure, maybe back in the 50's this kind of calculus could be forgiven, given the cold war. But today? This logic is still being used to justify the existence of potential Fukushimas all over the world.


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      Don't know your own technology?
      "crappy uranium-based technologies"
      What did you get in result,
      if you add a neutron to Th-232?
      Something "crappy"!

      Shut up with nukeads!

      h.


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    • richard richard

      The freekin thorium baloney. Look fool, nukes need to be stopped. Thorium is a fantasy. A lie. Another nuke fraud. Freekin nuke liar, nothing about your poison justifies leaving toxic pollution for future generations, so clear of with your selfish, full of shyte, nuke propaganda.

      All nuke supporters are mindless, selfish, indulgent and a waste of life.


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      • vivvi

        Yes, unfortunately I have listened to an alternative radio host who keeps talking about this thorium nonsense as if it were safe and viable. It's all dangerous. This guy should know better. I agree with him about many things, but this isn't one of them. He also seemed to think space exploration was worth the money. I reckon there are a lot of starving people on THIS planet who could have used the help more.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          think I know vivvi, just who you're talking about. Bet a dollar you're referring to the guy whose coming-out of Hawaii. I agree that he should know better. He keeps going on how great thorium reactors would be. He is correct that aerospace research is a worthy investment. Fact is, if it hadn't been for such, none of what we're doing today (within this medium) would've been possible. And while I can sympathize with those who have little to eat (been there myself on more than one occasion), I'm all for moving heavy industry and manufacturing into space; thereby giving our precious planet time to recover from these endless assaults on the environment.

          Returning to thoriumnow's incessant selling of thorium. Over the last couple of weeks (since he started posting), his main response to arguments against thorium powered energy systems is that its opponents are simply ignorant of the facts. When the facts are graciously provided (by others), he simply ignores those posts and blithely continues hawking thorium as the panacea to our problems. I can only conclude from this pathos, his/her posting agenda is intended to disrupt ongoing discussions and is not based on a genuine concern for the issues. There are a billion things that we need to discuss; thorium reactors being but one. That said, I would appreciate if said posts were confined to the general nuclear discussion forum.


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          • vivvi

            Thoriumnow sure seems to have an obsessive interest in it. People that fired up about an issue often have some kind of stake in it, financial or otherwise. (Yes, you are right also about the radio jock promoting thorium. He also has a problem with just what it was that hit the pentagon. I would love to hear his explanation of just where that gosh-darned plane went.)


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              we all vivvi more-or-less have a dog in this fight. Some of us are less encumbered with obligations to special interests, which usually results in clearer (more objective) thinking. Aside from the application of trend analysis, I can't easily speak to any one person's motives. We all make mistakes (at least, some of us have the intelligence to recognize them), hopefully learning from them and developing more productive strategies as we go along. I would only ask that this thorium crowd have the decency to confine their 'contributions' within the general nuke forum. I'm getting a little tired of seeing every discussion being morphed into a thorium sideshow. If they can't demonstrate respect for others out here, then I'll have to agree that this behavior be quelled by admin. Being one who values balance and equity, they would be making a serious mistake if they disregard such good will.

              That self-absorbed talk-show host would do well to talk less and allow more open lines. He's confused his background in education as being that of a drummer. He's need to refrain from repeating his spiel and interrupting his guest callers. He could do well if he got over himself. He's not the worse person behind a microphone. I'd just love him more if he'd cease thinking we're all in need of repetitive drilling. He needs to take a page from Deanna and try being a bit more humble.

              Keep-up the good fight vivvi…


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      • thoriumnow thoriumnow

        You're free to remain ignorant, just don't expect the rest of us to follow your example.

        Thorium is the future (to the extent we have one.) Seriously, go educate yourself.


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        • Quotes from enenews user anne, that I fully agree with.

          "Thorium is a *red herring. Just a way to get people to think that "just a little radiation" is wonderful, and a way for scam artists to bilk more money from the dumbed down government officials."

          "Thorium is still nuclear."
          "Thorium is radioactive."

          Full comment here:
          http://enenews.com/white-smoke-coming-from-fukushima-daiichi-radioactive-waste-storage-facility/comment-page-1#comment-292536

          *red herring
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

          I want to remain FREE. FREE of a future that even considers using ANYTHING RADIOACTIVE to produce power.

          “…advanced degrees confer no special expertise in either common sense or morality. That’s why many laymen are better qualified to judge nuclear power than are the so-called experts.”
          – Dr. John Gofman Medical Physicist
          (Nuclear Power Pioneer)


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        • harengus_acidophilus

          What Thorium?

          You take Thorium and convert it into Uranium.

          Same fission products, same problems.

          h.


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        • gr81 gr81

          I too thought I was "enlightened" when first read about Thorium, but after studying further about daughter isotopes, and "spent" fuel recycle, reclaim, and storage, I believe truly EDUCATED means NO NUKES EVER!


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          I respectfully disagree, Thoriumnow. It may be one possible future. But, the support for it, i think, is based on an ignorance of the advances and potential of green energy technologies. In fact, i'd go so far as to say that it is based upon a belief that such technologies cannot meet our growing energy needs. Thorium will be a part of the energy mix as a better alternative to the current nuclear technology, and necessary only because the political will to allow green technologies to flourish is simply lacking. We could have greener, safer technologies. But, those require a shift away from energy dominance by a few over the many. Thorium reactors fit better into the present model of a handful of people deciding everything for the remaining masses and controlling production from a top down model. All of that is fine if that is really what people want. But, let's not fall into the thinking trap that without nuclear, we will be in a new dark age burning bees wax candles. Let thorium as a technology stand on its own merits without the drama that it is the only thing that can save us.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        You are out of line in your response.


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          • richard richard

            I knew who you meant.

            I get out of line cos the line might just have it wrong sometimes. I'm the one who travels the path least trodden. Done it all my life, cos I won't follow dogma or entrenched lies.

            Someone wrote the words 'no nukes ever' and the situation is that simple.

            But the foe we face in achieving that is enormous, yet not visible. They need to be fought every single inch of the way, give no quarter. Don't you get it, your life depends on growing some cahunas.


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    • Arizonan Arizonan

      The thorium fuel cycle and consequent decay chains also result in long-lived radioactive wastes:
      Brissot R.; Heuer D.; Huffer E.; Le Brun, C.; Loiseaux, J-M; Nifenecker H.; Nuttin A. (July 2001). "Nuclear Energy With (Almost) No Radioactive Waste?". Laboratoire de Physique Subatomique et de Cosmologie (LPSC). http://lpsc.in2p3.fr/gpr/english/NEWNRW/NEWNRW.html#foot284. "according to computer simulations done at ISN, this Protactinium dominates the residual toxicity of losses at 10,000 years"
      From wikipedia…..


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  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    "It is an infinitely safer technology and thorium is a virtually limitless source of energy, one that can not only power homes but industry, automobiles and water desalination plants as well, something that neither wind nor solar can reliably claim."

    Too cheap to meter……………


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    • bmurr bmurr

      was thinking the exact same thing.


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    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      Actually, if the world had gone down a thorium (LFTR) path starting in the 1950's, we would all be a lot better off. LFTRs absolutely can not melt down. In that regard, they are self-regulating. In addition the fuel supply is virtually limitless.

      That having been said, however, thorium still has the huge problem that uranium reactors have – what to do with the radioactive wastes.

      No radiation is safe, and the human race needs to abandon its folly and hubristic belief that we are all-knowing and all-powerful. TPTB arrogantly believe that anything they choose to do can be managed. Fukushima disproves that belief. And Fukushima proves the idiocy inherent in our collective misunderstanding of technology, the atom, and the tenuous symbiotic inter-connectedness of everything on the planet.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        You raise a good point – a *no meltdown risk* is a HUGE STEP in the right direction away from nuclear power.

        It is the baby steps that will take us where we need to get.

        To demand and expect No Nukes all at once, regardless of my personal beliefs and hopes, is probably not realistic with the opposing crowds who remain in and will probably retain control of the energy situation for some time to come. The fact that the wastes need management to infinity pretty much ensure we will not likely take control away from them in the foreseeable future.

        We got to take our wins where we can get them.


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  • "toned down"..??? How about completely ignored!

    The largest planetary catastrophe in all of history with NO END in site yet it's never mentioned. The 'veil of secrecy' (lies) continue and have been successful in keeping less than 10% of the people 'aware' of what has been done and what is currently ongoing.
    (less than 10%, based on an unofficial user poll here at enenews)

    Word of mouth, eye to eye, as hard as it is sometimes, is the only way the 'truth' of this debacle will ever spread. Once that starts to happen it can be like a twitter wildfire. That's when the media will most likely 'crack down' on sites like this, and on people who own Geiger counters in their final attempts at control of information.

    I am amazed at how well the 'blackout' and academic control (manipulation) of technical information has been and continues to be. It's mind boggling.

    For some reason this guys name comes to mind:
    Joseph Goebbels rose to power in 1933 along with Hitler and the Nazi Party and he was appointed Propaganda Minister. One of his first acts was the burning of books. He exerted totalitarian control over the media, arts and INFORMATION in Germany.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Murata is surely a role model for speaking up and speaking out. There also is a consistency in the content and tone of his messages. Perhaps that is because he is telling the whole truth?

    given all that we say is at stake for speaking against the grain, I admire his raw courage to speak against the establishment and their parallel running half truths and lies.


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  • dave14139

    Tell the truth – Hillary and Nobama should not be allowed to influence this discussion..


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  • michellemamarn

    Even the use of thorium is RIDICULOUS after all we've been through. This is still nuclear technology, still creates nuclear waste, still makes us dependent on foreign soil. I can't believe anyone would here would even consider this as a viable option unless it's due to a lack of knowledge. Nothing is cleaner or safer than wind and solar, nothing is more abundant, nothing else provides us with total independence, and it has the huge bonus of having NOTHING to do with the iaea! I truly suspect a troll here, or perhaps a stockholder, but this certainly isn't the place to peddle yet another plutonium and uranium related system! For complete info see iaea.org (yeah, THOSE guys – again…). NO NUKES! Wind and solar PLEASE!


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      It's not just ridiculous, it's an implicit lie!
      You start with Thorium, convert it into Uranium…
      …and have the same s..hameful matter!

      "Now we have elephant manure with the taste of cats!"

      h.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      michellemamarn, would you be willing to rethink your approach to those you disagree with?


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    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      I agree with you that thorium is not the panacea it is promoted to be. I agree with you that green, sustainable and environmentally friendly energy sources MUST be the future of energy production. But please, if you are going on a diatribe about "a lack of knowledge" get your facts straight. Thorium is hugely abundant in the US, and it would allow us to greatly reduce our dependence on "foreign soil"


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  • michellemamarn

    Admin: I truly think we have a trolling problem here, as it seems there are a few specific names that only seem to speak up with various viewpoints totally contradictory to the concerns and spirit of this site. I don"t understand what they're doing here if they don't share our dismay over the current state of affairs in the energy industry! Go post on WSJ or Fox news; find your own kind!


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    • wideawake wideawake

      Totally agree with you michellemamarn…maybe we should just pity the Nuclear nutters'…They don't understand what they are doing HERE' either.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      your concerns, michellemamarn, for the welfare of this site are welcome. What have a problem with (at least, until you've explained yourself further) is this idea that the site and its participants are in need of protection from conflicting viewpoints. From what I've seen, so long as posting protocol is maintained, all viewpoints are accepted on this site. We don't have to agree with each other on every point, do we? I've often found myself at odds with the certain viewpoints of others (including those I genuinely respect), but that doesn't mean I'd dismiss all of their positions. And I'm just as curious to what's being propagated by those I'd disagree with. We can't go forward unless we give others (and ourselves) an opportunity to explore what we will all come to know as being the true…


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Well said, AFTERSHOCK, and i think it helps for us to remember here on this site that MOST people in the world support nuclear power and see it as the most viable energy option out there. So understanding what others believe and engaging them in open, respectful discussion is critical to anyone who wishes to see an end to the dangers of nuclear power. I don't think we have the luxury anymore of insulating ourselves from people we disagree with. We must find common ground to move forward and not fall back into little isolated "thought" camps. I have always appreciated your respect for everyone here.


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        • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

          I think "common ground" as a goal is greatly overrated. We need to listen to our opposition and understand their viewpoints, and if common ground reveals itself, we should capitalize on it.

          But rather than make common ground our main objective, we should debate our opponents, using the Socratic method to help them see what we see, and why we espouse it. We need to help them disabuse themselves of intractable and unviable beliefs which seem soley grounded in greed and gluttony.

          Viability, sustainability, and eco-friendly should trump profit and greed every time, and we need to propagate that message until our opponents can understand the rationale and the rationality of it.


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    • ForwardAssist ForwardAssist

      The site is called, "Enenews". It's an abbreviation of "energy news".

      The problem with the nuclear industry is the use of water as a coolant, and the use of solid fuels. Molten salt, not sodium, has ideal properties as a coolant. It does not expand in volume, it does not burn, it is stable under neutron bombardment, and it has an optimal temperature range. LFTRs operate at atmospheric pressure, they do not require pressure piping in their core and coolant circuits. Liquid salt as a fuel base makes sense, as liquid fuels cannot melt down.

      The fact that LFTRs can transmute uranium and plutonium into safer isotopes is a good thing, not a negative. It gives us a logical and safe way to deal with the waste legacy of the last 7 decades instead of leaving around for future generations. Nearly every mine produces Thorium which is currently treated as waste, we wouldn't have to mine or enrich it.

      Chernobyl and Fukushima could never have happened in a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor. There is no water to expand 1700 times in volume, there are no solid fuel elements or control rods to melt down. There's just a core drain pipe with a plug of salt kept solidified by blowing a fan across a pipe, and a drain tank where the core can safely cool back to a solid and stop reactivity.

      For gods sake, they used to run the lftr on weekdays, turn off the fan to melt the salt plugging the pipe and drain the core, go home for the weekends, and restart it on monday…


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      • harengus_acidophilus

        In fact, mankinds knowlege of nuklear principles
        are like the "Sorcerer's Apprentice", but this time
        he want to transmutate manure to gold.

        Remember his try to clean the room…

        h.


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      • harengus_acidophilus

        "Molten salt, (…) has ideal properties as a coolant."

        And also as a corrosive agent.
        You don't say anything about the corrosive properties.
        Tell us: what kind of known material
        survives decades in molten salt?

        h.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        @ForwardAssist, i need to do much more research into the theories of thorium reactors because their development may move ahead of the fast breeder camp trying hard to get attention and funding. There is a lot about it that is interesting and possible and lots about it that is frightening for me. But, compared with current nuclear technology, it can be an improvement in certain areas of safety while still failing to address many other issues. It may not even be viable, and i would prefer that we took the road of sustainable renewable green energy over any nuclear options, but, if the world can't change that fast, thorium reactors do hold some promise over what we have now. My current understanding is that it may still take several decades before it can be commercialized. What i often do see, however, in many of the discussions i read about or listen to online is the greater focus on safety. It is not ALL denial and greed. It is not primarily a military preference. Can the science be safe? I don't know. But, at least, the attitudes by many who think they can make it safe based upon science rather than upon the current premise of "safe enough because worse case scenarios are unlikely" is a dramatic change. If it can't be proven safe, i think it will lose it's supporters. Compare that with the light water and heavy water cooling reactors of today whose development and building went forward by ignoring the consequences. There is a change in the thinking.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        ForwardAssist, i agree that it may have the potential to help deal with the present stockpiles of nuke waste, which would be a hugely good thing, but, alas, it also makes nuke waste. I'm not sure it is currently advanced enough to be that effective, though, in theory, it makes far less waste than current reactors. But, isn't the argument for the fast breeder reactor that it, too, can burn up the stockpiles of nuke waste. So far, i don't think either have been proven but on paper and in models. But, it's a good goal if achievable. What i find interesting is the competition between the fast breeder reactor group and the thorium reactor supporters. Both groups are competing for resources and research funds and both cost so much that one will need to be chosen over the other, i.e., there isn't the cash to follow two such different technology paths. And, that brings us to the conflict with green energy. These two nuke paths compete with the green energy path for the same dollars. I think hydrogen will be surprising us sooner than we think and could put this debate to rest. We may not need to risk the dangers of either nuke technology development. But, even a totally green path still doesn't deal with the current nuke stockpiles. Will some kind of reactor be needed to deal with those? Wouldn't that be ironic?


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          And, of course, cash is the reason Mr. Murata suggests that the US is so silent on the Mark IV reactor and the SFP 4 at Fukushima. Nuke power isn't just about making energy. It's really a lot about making vast sums of money for a few and the suppression of vital information about the dangers of when this technology goes haywire is decided by those few. This needs to be dealt with now, fixed now, yet, it must also be in our thoughts as we consider alternative energy technologies. Will the generation of energy decide it or the generation of profits? Will a future Mr. Murata be working tirelessly to get the message out to the public about the dangers of the thorium reactors while the most powerful nation on the Earth makes sure he is not heard?


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      michellemamarn, the spirit of the site is to foster greater awareness of energy technologies and their impacts for any who wish to be here, and currently, most especially nuclear energy, though not exclusively that.


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  • arclight arclight

    @ thoriumhead

    Facts: Thorium fuel not clean, not safe, not commercially viable

    Not a Proliferation Solution
    Thorium is not actually a “fuel” because it is not fissile and
    therefore cannot be used to start or sustain a nuclear chain reaction.
    A fissile material, such as uranium-235 (U-235) or plutonium-239
    (which is made in reactors from uranium-238), is required to
    kick-start the reaction. The enriched uranium fuel or plutonium fuel
    also maintains the chain reaction until enough of the thorium target
    material has been converted into fissile uranium-233 (U-
    233) to take over much or most of the job. An advantage of thorium is
    that it absorbs slow neutrons relatively efficiently (compared to
    uranium-238) to produce fissile uranium-233.
    The use of enriched uranium or plutonium in thorium fuel has
    proliferation implications. Although U-235 is found in nature, it is
    only 0.7 percent of natural uranium, so the proportion of U-235 must
    be industrially increased to make “enriched uranium” for use in
    reactors. Highly enriched uranium and separated plutonium are nuclear
    weapons materials.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/09/20/facts-thorium-fuel-not-clean-not-safe-not-commercially-viable/


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  • weeman

    For the life of me, I can not understand the way the media has reported this catastroph, not.
    This should be the main headline day in and out nothin, ok they don't want to scare us, well if it is that bad why is their no rush to contain, why is USA not closing these same reactors and moving spent fuel out of pools around reactors and move to new pools away from reactors, did we not learn anything from Fukushima.
    Madness, pure dead brilliant.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      look into who owns the main-stream-media weeman and you'll understand why they're remaining silent on this ongoing catastrophe.

      Keep two things in mind: if the nuclear power industry admits to even the smallest of mistakes, then the rest comes into question. And if alternative solutions are explored and found to be productive (as they are being), then the world will begin to ponder why we're continuing down the dead-end (literally) of nuclear power technologies. This is what perception management's all about and why the control of media is essential to their survival.

      As things are 'progressing', it's only a matter of time before a 'palatable' storyline will be disseminated for distribution to the general public. They're only challenge is-in not throwing the baby out (themselves) with the bath water (decades of social engineering and brain washing). Of course, the longer they take (in coming up with a viable solutions), the more likely they'll fail in retaining any credibility with the global community…


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  • arclight arclight

    USA joining with China to develop thorium nuclear reactors

    U.S. partners with China on new nuclear, By Mark Halper Smart Planet June 26, 2012 E Pluribus Thorium? U.S. Assistant Energy Secretary Peter Lyons and Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Jiang Mianheng have joined forces for thorium development. What’s in it for the U.S.?

    The U.S. Department of Energy is quietly collaborating with China on an alternative nuclear power design known as a molten salt reactor that could run on thorium fuel rather than on more hazardous uranium, SmartPlanet understands.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/06/30/usa-joining-with-china-to-develop-thorium-nuclear-reactors/


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @arclight: as China's now been enveloped in the myth of being the leader in (economic) growth, you can find no finer a destination for the deployment of nuclear technologies. After all, you wouldn't want to be left behind, so maybe you'd like a thorium reactor to keep your jacuzzi warm at night. It's a slanted play on the old cold war strategy of allowing technology to be leaked to your enemy, so you're justified in countering the compromise! But as they're not the 'enemy' (that is, until they clearly declare themselves as being opposed to the geopolitical goals of the 'blessed ones'), they can sell the concept of an eventual threat of technological preeminence to 'our' policy makers. It's a bankrupt threat and long overdue for retirement…


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      • arclight arclight

        in my opinion they are also trying to save their pensions as all the big money got invested in that in 2008 onwards.. and the PR expenses of course.

        the solutions are staring them in the face and they cant make the decision because the laws dont allow them to make brave decisions and take a loss!

        thats why the japanese corporations have enjoyed steady growth throughtout the disaster at daichi .. to date!

        but not for long imo

        :)
        peace aftershock!

        another whistle blower here!
        saikato hantai!

        Nuclear engineer slams industry safety standards: speech given at anti-nuclear protest rally UK

        Commenting on EDF Energy’s bid to build a new EPR reactor at Hinkley, Smith added, “The nuclear industry suffers from the delusion that nuclear power is safe. They said that after Three Mile Island, they said it after Chernobyl and they said it after Fukushima. Do we really want Hinkley Point to be the next major disaster?”

        http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/08/nuclear-engineer-slams-industry-safety-standards-speech-given-at-anti-nuclear-protest-rally-uk/


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  • arclight arclight

    oops! sorry admin
    i think i went over me 2 post link thingy.. err slightly

    wont happen again


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  • Birdseye

    Back on the topic of this thread, which is what ex-Ambassador Murata is campaigning to do. He should be supported, applauded and publicised, as he's speaking from a position of authority. It's almost unheard of here for someone in his position to speak out in this way, specially to fly in the face of US government-Japanese government cover-up collusion.
    what he's saying needs to be broadcast and spread in as many ways as possible, and not be drowned out by distractors and red herrings. This is something to be dealt with HERE, NOW. The Japanese government took baby steps to move away from nuclear power, but their arm is being twisted at the highest levels, so it's vital that debate is focused on CURRENT, ONGOING issues, as ex-Ambassador Murata is so tenaciously trying to do.
    Obviously this whole debate has global dimensions which it's important to debate, but living in Japan and facing the issues close-up, I get frustrated sometimes looking at how so many threads get hijacked and dissipated, when what is needed are concrete actions, not wailing and gnashing of teeth. I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's just that every single article can end up getting muddied down to the same thing, and it's not actually productive. I come to this site for information, and also to get beyond the blanket of silence on key issues,and I think it's important to be a bit more focused on the actual content of particular articles. With all respect to other posters around the world.


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    • Mack Mack

      @Birdseye – Your comment is very important. I hope admin and everyone reads it.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Sorry, Birdeye's, if i add to the derailing. I do go on about "group think" pressure that exists here. Thank you for your words about Mr. Murata. He is exceedingly brave and we all need his words not to get lost, but to be heard and thought about. The US has tremendous influence and power to control what will and will not be focused upon on the world stage simply by shifting dollars from one pile to another. In fact, most US citizens are poorly informed and unaware of the deeper issues inherent in many issues while they, oddly, are the most media drenched.


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    • arclight arclight

      mee guity
      to make ammends birdseye i give you this

      "We are Japanese people living in the UK. We are not activists or scientists, just normal citizens who want peace in the world and to protect our environment in a way that serves everybody. We are aware that there isn’t enough information in the main stream media in the UK about what’s going on in Fukushima, and we would like to share with you what we’ve found from Japanese web sites: information and news from scientists and doctors who are extremely worried about the safety of citizens, and from concerned freelance journalists and ordinary people."

      http://fukushimaappeal.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/new-nuclear-regulation-agency-lined.html

      worth a bookmark
      sign a pettion
      :)

      and well said!


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  • michellemamarn

    @Aftershock- Certainly no one here needs "protection"; and I would be horrified to see an absence of healthy debate. More ideas and info generated leads to possibility and problem-solving. However, when I see a very small group relentlessly put forward one single "solution" I smell a sales pitch. Review previous posts…for crying out loud- he(she) has named himself for the "product" he's pushing and his buddy appears in scrubs, and named himself after a BMW! Perhaps if they EVER discussed anything else in response to any news item? Most of you here at Enenews are terribly bright and very impressive and the discussions are riveting. Time and space are far too limited here to allow for free advertisements.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      This isn't an antinuclear website. There are plenty of those. I visit those, too, and subscribe. But, enenews is an energy news website that has committed much of its resources to focusing on Fukushima because it is so urgent. The point is to get the news out, not suppress it. That includes people's opinions about energy technologies.


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      • aigeezer aigeezer

        VFO, you're right, but michellemamarn has a point also. There are obvious trolls here from time to time. What interests me is the next level of trolling (such as the "concern troll") and the level after that, and the level after that.

        To my eye, we have been relatively free of all but the most blatant trolls month after month. This makes me think that either we are not worth bothering about (unlikely) or that the level of mischief is less obvious than we might wish.

        Vigilance – always vigilance.

        CNN in my area tonight featured incessant commercials to "vote" for Clean Coal and/or Natural Gas (whatever such a vote means). One even showed an EPA logo overlaid with "enough is enough". Billions of dollars are being spent by Big Energy, yet nothing lately by Big Nuke (at least on CNN).

        Whatever they want… is suspect.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          interesting thoughts aigeezer. I just worry that a spy-v-spy scenario will escalate into a counterproductive atmosphere; where less popular ideas will be unjustly stigmatized. And though I'm totally with you on preserving the integrity of this site, that vigilance must be equally applied to ourselves as well as perceived offenders.

          BTW. I love the concept of the "concern troll"! Took me a moment to get it…


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  • michellemamarn

    On the topic at hand, I'm very confused. A U.S. senator attempted to convince a Japanese ambassador to request, and accept, international intervention to address the dire situation of nuclear reactor #4 at Fukushima daichi; and they failed to do so, yet still this is somehow related to the United States' embarrassment?


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Ah, back to the matter at hand at last! That would be Senator Wyden from my home state of Oregon. His primary goal was to try and convince President Obama to take the situation of SFP 4 seriously and take stand on behalf of the world. That, of course, did not happen, which goes to Mr. Murata's point – while the US is still so dependent upon the very same reactors, they are disinclined to raise concerns about them or support public discussion on the topic.


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    I come here to learn, sometimes to debate. It is frightening the level of thought policing going on here – who are any of you to decide what may be discussed here? Your arrogance astounds me. Thorium or fast breeders will be the next generation of nukes and we had all better start the conversation so that we can help the world survive them if possible. If you disagree with the technology, give a reason that teaches us instead of hateful speech and sheer meagerness of inaction. I'm about to hop off this train. It's really starting to go no where and the price for the ride is blind allegiance and adherence to party lines lest one's curiosity or opinion mark them suspect. I don't fear trolls. They simply provide opportunities for the more informed to educate the rest of us. But, i do fear the thought policing i find on this website. It helps ensure that the public is not supported in learning all opinions, all options, all arguments. It helps us stay dumb.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      I hope you stay the course because you have valuable insights for us all. I agree with your post, unless people come at me directly I try to just avoid the overly bossy busy bees so that I can concentrate on the good content that flows here daily. I too have been guilty of misinterpreting others posts but remind myself to stay focused on whats important, which for me, is not to get lost in battling strangers who for the most part, are on the same side of the line as I. Cheers VicFromOregon.


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    So, how about a little discussion about Mr. Murata's concerns over SFP4? That's still my biggest worry, especially now that the land beneath it is sinking. So, what can the Americans here do? If he is correct and our government is squelching discussion and action on SFP4 because it doesn't want to draw attention to the fact that we have several reactors just like it humming away, then it's up to us to do something in order to bring attention to SFP 4.


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  • Sol Man

    The truth can not happen here; there is too much corporate complicity on all levels. Corporations now are the government. If you people want the truth they have to look elsewhere, certainly not msm.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Perhaps, but, even the MSM will print the truth if it's profitable, meaning, interesting to their readers, viewers. In fact, most of the stories Admin posts here are MSM articles. So, while it may not be much, there is a little something to work with here. We all heard about Mr. Murata's concerns. But, then, we wished to know them, to view the complexity, see what's going on. We need a way to spread our enthusiasm for knowledge and truth so that as this desire spreads, truth, when it gets spoken or written, has those who take notice.


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  • pcjensen

    if not already seen: http://nowarnow.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/thorium-why-we-dont-want-it/ there is no need for thorium, we have the necessary tools to create a world without nuclear – safer, more cost effective, and functional. The issue here is the cover up – US Gov has strong vested interests in seeing Japan continue nuclear. Just ask Jeff Immelt how he'd feel if 'O' suddenly turned on him and said, that's it, your gig is up and you and your GE cronies are all heading to Jail." Crooks 'n Liars.


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  • kalidances

    Remember to, if you aren't already, save any emails that you are sending to the government, our congresspeople, or anyone in media for when they inevitable "who knew what when" sessions start.

    Old Enenewsers now would be a good time to put all of your submissions in date order and pull all pertinent news links, articles, and videos from scientists, magazines, and TV shows in an easily accessible place. Also now would be a good time to back up and physically print out articles of relevance and the ID's/links/emails of online petitions signed.


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  • michellemamarn

    @VicFromOregon- From this point forward I'll post ANY reference to thorium on the Nuclear Issues Forum- where it BELONGS. However, I find it both amusing and contradictory to be called "thought police" when I discuss its' drawbacks with a link for educational references (see above posts- from the IAEA, no less)! These fellows keep showing up touting thorium in response to every story they bother to post about offering blatant misinformation and blatantly ignoring all contradictory evidence. Frankly, I find THEIR arrogance astounding. Also, I've listened to the news storythree times now. Still sounds like Japan is stonewalling to me, with no evidence stated to support the title.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      They are only one poster. I find your dissections, concerns and passions more interesting than their simple positions. I'm all for protecting our open forum communication on nuclear energy issues here. It`s just about the only place online like it.


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  • michellemamarn

    Thank you Anthony! I'm just trying to stay on topic and I'll go over to to Enenews' Nuclear thread to argue about thorium…because it IS a nuclear issue. These couple of guys haunt multiple threads pushing thorium and it takes us all off topic. Also, I'm trying to make the point that they can try to sell it to their heart's content- over there.


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  • michellemamarn

    Thank you, NoNukes, love the name! After reviewing this thread, it seems I outed a couple more of the less obvious by their oh-so-handy detailed knowledge (misinfo) of the process. A reactor is a reactor is a reactor…


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