WATCH: Nuclear protest goes very wrong — Violent battle of police vs. anti-nuclear groups

Published: November 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm ET


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Description: French police have battled anti-nuclear protesters as the last train carrying German nuclear waste treated in France set off on its journey home.

Published: November 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm ET


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99 comments to WATCH: Nuclear protest goes very wrong — Violent battle of police vs. anti-nuclear groups

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Hello all,

    Sadly, and unfortunately, this is only a warm up of what is coming here to america too.

    Please see the speech the Russian President gave tonight on the general discussion thread.

  • anne
    November 23, 2011 at 10:12 am · Reply
    French nuclear protesters clash with police

    “Baton-wielding French police battled anti-nuclear protesters Wednesday as the last convoy of German nuclear waste to be treated in France was prepared for its journey home.

    “Spooked by Japan’s Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its use of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.

    “Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, and fierce protests were expected along the 700 kilometre (435 mile) route to Germany….”

  • French have much to loose it nuclear energy is fased out !

    Why The French Like Nuclear Energy | Nuclear Reaction …

    When the Civaux nuclear power plant comes on line sometime in the next 12 months, France will have 56 working nuclear plants, generating 76% of her …

    Nuclear power in France


    The nuclear power industry needs a coherent plan for dealing with its reactors’ radioactive and toxic leftovers. Burying the waste is a slow, politically painful process that leaves much to be desired. Lately, nuclear advocates, particularly in the United States, say they’ve found a better solution, or at least a path to one. It’s based on the recycling and reuse of spent nuclear fuel, known as fuel reprocessing in the industry’s jargon. Reprocessing breaks down fuel chemically, recovering fissionable material for use in new fuels. Thus, there is less highly radioactive material that needs to be sealed in caskets, buried deep underground, or otherwise permanently isolated from humankind. An ideal test case to evaluate fuel reprocessing is France, which never backed away from nuclear energy and which has long relied on reprocessing as the linchpin of its power reactor fuel system. The French experience clearly does show that reprocessing need not be the dangerous mess that other countries, including the United States …

    The fabrication of MOX fuel: recycled nuclear power – AREVA

    … fuel · “Nuclear: energy for today and tomorrow” ad-information · Eleventh
    shipment … MOX fuel (Mixed Oxide fuel) is a mixture of approximately 93%
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    information on nuclear power, nuclear energy, nuclear fuel, MOX production and
    … France aims to have all its 900 MWe series of reactors running with at least one …

    MOX fuel – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    fuel used in the light water reactors that predominate nuclear power generation.
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  • Belgium authorities and French GDF-Suez set for MOX fuel technology transfer to China

    By Yves Marignac on October 7, 2010 4:37 PM| 0 Comments| 1 TrackBack

    Belgian and Chinese authorities agreed to cooperate to build a pilot plant for the fabrication of mixed oxide fuel (MOX) in China, as part of the country’s plans to implement large-scale spent fuel reprocessing and plutonium re-use as part of its ambitious nuclear program.

    The deal is set in a Framework Agreement signed on October 6th, 2010 in the presence of the Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jibao during …

  • This seems relatively civilized to me. The reporters were embedded instead of battered.

  • larry-andrew-nils

    i don’t even care anymore. hahaha.

    it’s all too much to handle.

    the cops are all going to die soon because the militia is going to pop up out of nowhere.

    machiene-gun style… rocket launchers and fire weapons.

    have fun in the big cities.
    i think i’ll go now and never come back… unless the assholes whol i ordered the 3000 dollar gyger counter from deliver the fucking thing to my friend dave…

    otherwise i’m going to leave here forever and try to regaIN SOME POSITIVITY in my last days.

    i route for the militia.

    go, go go. lets depopulate the right people.

  • goathead goathead

    $3000 seems pricey unless that’s Hong Kong $$$$!!!
    Try this cheaper alternative You just need and Arduino for $20 to plug it into, connect it to your laptop and send your data or battery power it for free roaming!!

  • goathead goathead

    Here’s the company’s manifesto…..

    The main finality of the Radiation Sensor Board for Arduino is to help people in Japan to measure the levels of radiation in their everyday life after the unfortunate earthquake and tsunami struck Japan in March 2011 and cause the nuclear radiation leakages in Fukushima. We want to give the chance to measure by themselves this levels instead of trusting in the general advises which are being broadcasted. The usage of this sensor board along with the affordable and easy to use Arduino platform helps people to get radiation values from specific places.

    As technical guys, we feel the responsibility of providing our support in those areas where we can contribute. As a result, first batch has been shipped to Japan at no charge to the Tokyo Hackerspace and other working groups.

    The design of the board is open hardware and the source code is released under GPL.

    The Libelium Team. April 2011.

  • oscar419

    U see dude wielding the sign? muh boy tried clubberin’ that po-po officer and it looks like it didn’t pan out. Advice: If UR going to commit assault on a police officer a cardboard sign is probably NOT the most common sense filled decision…

    In other news…. It snowed here and as usualt the snow on top of my pool cover melts. We did not open the pool this year so the cover caught all the rain and had the water evaporate off during warmer days. There is a yellowish pattern on in the water that I have never seen before. Someone asked if it could be the tannins from fallen leaves coming out, perhaps other than the fact that all the fallen leaf matter was removed as it fell this summer.

    Anyone one in New England (particularly the Mountains of Maine) have a geiger counter? I tried getting the Gundersens to make the three hour drive here to see it, no luck…

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    France delays nuclear train amid demo threats #news #fukushima
    2 minutes ago

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Should have said WORKED FOR NOW.

      • midwestern midwestern

        “Spooked” is an interesting and dismissive choice of word that totally undermines the gravity of the Fukushima situation and instead seems to imply irrational childish fear. It avoids the reality that Germany has made a sound, well-informed, wise, and economical decision to take action to end the use of nuclear power based on horrific and very clear evidence that it is destroying our environment and health. And that it is a never-ending drain on our economy and tax-payers. It is the only decision that we can afford to make! What “spooks” me are those who continue to support nuclear energy while being rained, snowed, and dumped on with fallout from Fukushima.: “Spooked by Japan’s Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its use of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.”

  • desert_lady desert_lady


    “Although diverse, the natural resources of France are relatively limited in quantity. France has some coal, iron ores, bauxite, and uranium; but the coal veins are deep and difficult to work and are unsuitable for use in the manufacture of steel. Iron ores are of a low grade, and the uranium ore is found only in small quantities. Deposits of petroleum are almost nonexistent, and natural gas reserves discovered (1951) at Lacq in the Pyrenées are now nearly exhausted. Hydroelectric production, although well developed, does not meet France’s needs. On the other hand, high-quality soils cover almost half the country’s surface, giving France an agricultural surplus that makes it an exporter of food.”

    France has no non-green method of producing its own electricity, that’s why it invested so heavily in nuclear. What a SHAME.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      “giving France an agricultural surplus that makes it an exporter of food”
      Soooo take a chance with Nuclear contaminating the land. One natural disaster away, just like the US, just like Japan. God I want Nukes GONE from our lives!

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi Desert Lady, the south of France is a paradise for solar power! They have an endless Atlantic coastline and could put up windmills with no end…they have in fact excellent conditions for renewables!!
      Just the wrong government…

    • RAH

      As an individual whose Family lives in Brest, France, I have continuously wondered what else the French could use to generate electricity if not for nuclear.
      They have installed as much hydro as they possibly can. Even upgrading the turbines to super efficient won’t boost the output of those facilities.
      There are miles of wind turbines on the west coast of the country where the winds are the strongest and even in view of the TGV rails on the trip from Brest to Paris.
      Solar farms are beginning to pop up across the middle and south of the country, but with new nuke plants being built by Areva the likelihood of more renewables coming on line are slim. Especially with the Eurozone economy in the state that it is.
      Alas, France has a presidential candidate that wants to phase out nuclear by 50%. With that sort of rhetoric, he is likely to be defeated in March.
      France is doomed to keep nuclear. I was hoping to retire there.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    USA Can’t Afford The Huge Nuke Liabilities! Repeal The Price
    Ande­­rson Act!

  • desert_lady desert_lady

    However, an ENERGY GAME-CHANGER is in production!! It’s called the E-Cat catalyst reactor (a.k.a. cold fusion). It produces clean energy WITH NO WASTE, NO TOXIC BY-PRODUCTS, can be installed ANYWHERE, is the size of a shipping container. It runs for YEARS (perhaps forever!) on 1 kilogram of nano-sized nickel powder and a bottle of hydrogen gas. The first test of the commercial-size One-Megawatt plant was held Oct. 28 and it passed with amazing results!!

    IT IS IN PRODUCTION NOW! Costs $2 million for this plant which will power 600-800 homes. The plants can be linked together for any amt. of power and a small, home-sized unit is planned for 2013. It has almost NO MOVING PARTS. NOTE: It does produce a small amt. of gamma while in operation requiring a 2 cm. lead shield built into the container, but DOES NOT USE, OR CREATE NUCLEAR WASTE. The stable, safe nickel/hydrogen reaction will eventually produce copper. Scientists still do not know exactly how the reaction works, but it is definitely a type of cold fusion.

    I’m VERY EXCITED about the prospects of the E-Cat!! Someone mentioned it last month but PLEASE—EVERYBODY—GO TO THIS SITE TODAY for the best Thanksgiving you will ever have! Read everything on it, watch the videos, OMG it will blow your mind. THIS IS FOR REAL. This bypasses the world elite oil-based nuclear-based systems, this puts electric and hot water production into everybody’s hands at a small start-up cost and COSTS VIRTUALLY NOTHING to maintain FOREVER…. OMG

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Actual measurements at a distance of 2 m to the nuclear waste train show 37 microSv/hr. Impotant for the police “protecting” it.

    • milk and honey

      dpa reports 75 microSv/hr actually:

      Google Translation of relevant excerpt:

      “All eleven containers hold the value for which a transport permissible radiation dose of 100 micro sievert per hour at a distance of two meters,” a spokeswoman said on Thursday the Ministry of Environment in Hanover. Finally, the highest hourly dose into two meters distance a vessel was lying at 75 micro Sievert – for three quarters of the allowable limit.”

      run, police men and train drivers, run!

  • blah

    It’s just the very nature of atomic energy :

    – weapon of mass destruction

    – totalitarian industry

    – police state

    BTW for those here who can’t read the banner, it’s quite funny.
    It reads “AREVA CHIER TU PUES DU NUC” which translate to something like “areva shit you stink from the ass hole”
    Because “VA CHIER” means “go shit” and “NUC” stands for nuke but also sounds like “luc”, used to avoid the mildly offensive word “cul” : ass, bottom. 😉

  • Grace Grace

    Worthy and brilliant activists – big love to you all – please come to England to help with stopping EDF at Hinkley and everywhere else – you guys are proper heros, well done 🙂 cheered me right up. Ha and if we have horses too, shall we joust with the cops, like to see their skinny thoroughbreds take on my Lipizzaner.

  • many moons

    Hey, it’s better to be in the dark than eating contaminated food!

  • lam335 lam335

    Part 2:

    “Germany nuclear protesters clash with police”

    “Police in northern Germany have used water cannons against demonstrators waiting for the arrival of a shipment of nuclear waste from France.

    Scuffles broke out between police and protesters after fireworks and paint were thrown at officers.

    Protesters had tried to block a crossroads at Metzingen, near the shipment’s destination….”

    “…The contract between Areva and German nuclear power producers has expired and is not expected to be renewed, as Germany has voted against the transportation of radioactive nuclear fuel.

    The train is carrying 11 tubular containers of highly radioactive nuclear waste, that are due to be stored in Gorleben in northeast Germany.

    But officials have not resolved where waste should be stored permanently and opponents argue that the Gorleben site is unsafe”

  • desert_lady desert_lady

    Sorry, had to go celebrate with family, it was AWESOME. Hope your turkey day was, too. Back to the Rossi E-cat…

    To Admin, Anne, Grace etc: Is it possible to have a discussion about this technology without the blasting and name-calling? Anne, you simply do NOT have all the facts. And I don’t pretend to either, okay? Your tone implies we must “TAKE SIDES” on something that is still being developed and appears promising to “some” of us out here who are as adamant as you that we want nuclear power stopped forever, okay? Can you accept that perhaps some of your OWN information is coming from /or funded by big oil interests who will be out of business if the E-cat is viable, and who also purposely buried the Dept. of Energy cold fusion experiments of the 1980s…

    Or is this subject ‘taboo’ here on (ahem) Energy News…

    Rossi *does* have a patent for this device in Italy, and international, European and US patents are pending.

    Concerning radiation, from the ECAT website:

    “The method does not use or produce radioactive materials. It utilizes nickel and hydrogen. And when the reactor is turned off, after twenty minutes, every kind of radiation is thermalized. What is left are metals like nickel and some copper. The radiation that is produced here are contained inside the box of the reactor which is shielded by lead. These gamma ray radiations are in the range between 50 and 200 KEVS (kiloelectronvolts), which are very low energy radiations. It also has a maximum life of twenty minutes, because they are completely thermalized, which also means that they are transformed into heat. The fact this reactor does not use radioactive materials and do not leave radioactive materials makes it a safe nuclear reactor.”


    • Grace Grace

      Hey desert lady, sorry for swearing, it is most uncharacteristic of me and I suspect a product of the lambasting I received when I first mooted Rossi’s work here. For the record I hope it works, anything to destabilise the fission energy companies is a good thing as far as I can see. I really hope it works and the Tesla technology as well, lots of interesting ideas to get us all off grid – decommission and decontaminate all nuclear fission reactors.
      I need an engineer and a physicist.
      Love and light to you 🙂

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    A third method, so called “cold fusion”, had the research community all a-buzz in the early 1990′s with the prospect of a much cheaper alternative. Although cold fusion still has its supporters, most of the mainstream scientific community has dismissed it “poor science” (or worse).

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Apr15-08, 10:05 PM , #10, Astronuc , , Posts: 17,658, Degree: Nuclear Engineering
    “The D + T reaction produces 14.1 MeV neutrons and 3.5 MeV alphas, and in that sense it’s radioactive. The neutrons will slow activate the structure enclosing the plasma chamber, so some of the structure overtime will become radioactive.
    “The D + D reaction produce p + T or n + He3, with about a 50/50 split in probability. T is a low energy beta emitter. In the plasma, T will react with D, n’s will leave the plasma, and He3 may react with D in an aneutronic reaction, (D + He3 -> p + He4).
    “There are other radiative processes in plasma that produce radiation, namely recombination (ions recombining with electrons – think Lyman, Balmer, . . . spectra) and bremsstrahlung radiation. With plasmas at keV energies, there is a fair amount of low energy gamma, X-ray and UV.”

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    The Rossi reactor is generating radiation and needs lead shielding.
    Nuclear signatures to be expected from Rossi energy amplifier
    by Jacques Dufour
    Abstract: the nuclear signatures that can be expected when contacting hydrogen with fine nickel powders are derived from thermal results recently obtained (Rossi energy amplifier). The initiation of the reactions (either by proton or neutron capture) is not discussed and considered as true. Proposals are made to check the process either by radiation emission measurements or by elemental analysis (ICP-MS)
    1. Intruduction
    In a recent paper [1], results are presented on vast amounts of energy (kWh) generated by contacting Hydrogen at pressures of tens of bars and temperatures round 400°C, with nickel powder (with an unspecified additive). No harmful radiations were measured, which is attributed to the presence of a lead shield absorbing γ emission occurring during the run and to the very short period of the instable species formed during the run and decaying after shut down. ….

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “9. Conclusion
      “Strong nuclear signatures are expected from the Rossi energy amplifier and it is hoped that this note can help evidence them.
      “It is of interest to note that in [3] a mechanism is proposed, that strongly suppresses the gamma emission during the run (it is the same mechanism that creates very low energy neutrons, subsequently captured by the nickel. This does not suppress the emission after shut-down, which should be observed, together with the transmutations described above.”
      by Jacques Dufour

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Desert_lady, I’m glad you had a lovely Thanksgiving. I am grieving over my daughter who is fighting an indurable cancer.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    The location of the 1 MW plant to be launched at the end of October may be Florida. It takes heat to generate the nuclear reaction, 750 degrees Fahrenheit, so requires energy to work. In one blog Mr. Rossi declined to say what the energy ratio is, input to output.
    Rossi’s 1 MW Cold Fusion E-Cat Reactor Photos and Video Posted
    “- The date and location of the launch of the one megawatt plant will be kept confidential until the day before the launch. (Invited guests will have 1 week notice.) This is because the location of the one megawatt plant would immediately reveal the identity of Rossi’s partner company….
    “I repeat that we will be able to produce heat immediately, while for the electric power we should be ready in one year. By the way: the E-Cats for the public will produce hot water for heating, not steam….

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Italian scientists claim to have demonstrated cold fusion (w/ Video)
    January 20, 2011 by Lisa Zyga
    Rossi and Focardi’s paper on the nuclear reactor has been rejected by peer-reviewed journals, but the scientists aren’t discouraged. They published their paper in the Journal of Nuclear Physics, an online journal founded and run by themselves, which is obviously cause for a great deal of skepticism. They say their paper was rejected because they lack a theory for how the reaction works. According to a press release in Google translate, the scientists say they cannot explain how the cold fusion is triggered, “but the presence of copper and the release of energy are witnesses.”….
    generated a few blog posts.
    One comment in the forum contained a message from Steven E. Jones, a contemporary of Pons and Fleishmann, who wrote, “Where are the quantitative descriptions of these copper radioisotopes? What detectors were used? Have the results been replicated by independent researchers? Pardon my skepticism as I await real data.”
    Steven B. Krivit, publisher of the New Energy Times, noted that Rossi and Focardi’s reactor seems similar to a nickel-hydrogen low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) device originally developed by Francesco Piantelli of Siena, Italy, who was not involved with the current demonstration. In a comment, Rossi denied that his reactor is similar to Piantelli’s, writing that “The proof is that I am making operating reactors, he is not.” Krivit also noted that Rossi…
    Krivit also noted that Rossi has been accused of a few crimes, including tax fraud and illegally importing gold, which are unrelated to his research.
    Rossi and Focardi have applied for a patent that has been partially rejected in a preliminary report. …

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    • Cold Fusion Heat from the Rossi Reactor
    Commentator 6 wrote:
    “Regardless of the exact amount transmuted, there is an explanation of all this given on Rossi’s website. (/When all else fails, read the documentation!/)
    “He says that Ni^x + p -> Cu^(x+1) does, indeed, typically produce an unstable result, but it decays back to Ni^(x+1), after which it can pick up another proton, and repeat the process until it ends up as Cu^63, which is stable.
    isotopes of Ni must be identical, as they’re determined by electrostatic issues: “The capture rate of protons by Nickel nuclei cannot depend on the mass values of different isotopes”
    Finally, he says that they’ve been testing the ash and it’s /not radioactive/: “No radioactivity has been found also in the Nickel residual from the process.” I don’t understand that.
    If a tiny fraction of the nickel is transmuted each second, and if nearly all the transmutation events produce unstable copper which eventually decays back to (higher weight) nickel, and if it takes multiple steps to get to stable copper, then by the time we’ve got a lot of stable copper running around, nearly all the nickel must have been transmuted at least once, and the whole lot should be radioactive.
    “In particular, there should probably be a really large fraction of Ni^59 present (31 neutrons), with a 75 ky half-life, and I’d think that would make…
    “The Rossi nuclear reactor also needs a “special still secret ingredient.” In the following quotation the 400 degrees is 400 degrees Celsius which is 752 degrees Fahrenheit.
    “Andrea Rossi Low-temperature (<1000 degrees) Nuclear Fusion (basically cold fusion) Reactor passes independent tests that shows about 12x amplification (1kW in -> 12kW out).
    “The reactor just need small amounts of Nickel powder and Hydrogen as fuel. Expected to go into production in October 2011. Still pretty hot (I saw 400 degr

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Edmund Storms on the Rossi device
    “we’ll call it low-energy nuclear reactions [LENR]. I like the chemically-assisted nuclear reactions [CANR] description myself…..
    “he’s promised a demonstration in Florida that’s coming up in October.
    “That’s where the factory is that Rossi owns. Rossi has business interests in the United States, he has a number of companies. He has a company in Florida and that’s where the cells are being manufactured….
    “It has to be done in industry at this level because we don’t know if it’s safe, we don’t know it’s characteristics, we just don’t know enough about it to put it into individual homes……”

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Secret ingredients for Rossi nuclear reactor
    Italian Engineer announces commercial ‘Cold Fusion’ reactor
    “Italian engineer Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi of the University of Bologna announced in January 2011 that they have mastered an energy catalyzing technology that produces heat from a reaction between hydrogen, nickel and some other – so far secret – ingredients…..”

    If his reactor works it will require a lot of conventional energy, there will be radioactive waste, and it won’t be safe. At one place he states that there is no more radiation coming out of his reactor than from legally allowed a hospital, I suppose that is with all the lead shielding intact. No one has been able to verify this. We know from the present reactors we have that accidents are extinction level events. Cam you imagine heating your house with one of his reactors or living next door to neighbours with one and running into a car which runs on one of his reactors? Nuclear is nuclear is nuclear. Isotopes are radioactive and there is no safe small amount.

    Future Impact of Rossi’s Cold Fusion
    “”cold fusion” or “LENR” (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) reactor….”
    “He claims he knows exactly how to control his reactors so no radiation escapes….”
    “It will take time to get cold fusion devices into every home….
    “Perhaps these new vehicles could be the first to be directly powered by cold fusion devices…..”
    At 750 degrees Fahrenheit, this is hardly what we think of as cold.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    To bad not enough of those protests in Japan . I guess the courage of the “Arab spring” is to far away to spark across .

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “A company has been formed in Athens, Greece, Defkalion Green Technologies S. A., for the purpose of manufacturing and selling Andrea Rossi Energy Catalyzer cold fusion reactors. According to the Greek newspaper “Investor’s World” and other sources, the company is capitalized at €200 million, which includes €100 million to be paid in as royalties, presumably to Rossi….
    “He is building the machine in Florida before shipping it to the Defkalion factory….
    “they used a much higher flow rate, to keep the cooling water from vaporizing. This is partly to recover more heat, and partly because Celani and others criticized phase-change calorimetry as too complicated. There were concerns about the enthalpy of wet steam versus dry steam, and the use of a relative humidity meter to determine how dry the steam was….”

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    • Some excerpts from:

    Cold Fusion Heat from the Rossi Reactor
    Commentator 15 wrote:
    * I do not see any need for an RF generator. I think the system can self sustain if the temperature is hot enough, but the problem is that there could be a runaway explosion if that happens.”
    “ROSSI. Exactly. In fact, mine is not cold fusion, but weak energy nuclear reactions.”
    “There were many problems with the demonstration. The device was working a lot better on January 13. Unfortunately, on the day the people assembled, the A/C heater failed “catastrophically” and then some other parts were acting flaky. The audience become restless and upset. When they finally got it going, they were only able to reduce control power down to 400 W, and it was not as steady as it had been in recent tests at U. Bologna….”
    “I think Rossi claimed the internal temperature of this thing is 1500°C [2732 degrees Fahrenheit]. Commentator 2 pointed out that cannot be right, because the melting point of Ni is 1,453°C….”
    “Rossi believes the temperature at the core is 1500°C. [2732 degrees Fahrenheit]….”

    “Commentator 4 wrote:
    “I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction. He uses the resistive heating device to ensure runaway does not happen. If he tried to self-sustain, he gets runaway. With the added 400 W of resistive heating, he can operate the cell just below the runaway temperature.
    “This is why he mysteriously says that it will self-sustain; but, he does not do it…
    “Commentator 5 wrote:
    “… Obviously the average temperature was 400 ºC, while there were hot spots where the temperature exceeded the melting point of Ni, as it became fused in places. “
    “Commentator 1 wrote:
    “….He’ll go on saying that until Rossi has $100 million in the bank, and hundreds of installations and employees.”

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Focardi-Rossi Energy-Catalyzer
    “a patent application was filed (not approved as of April 2011) – involves nickel and hydrogen gas transformed to copper in the presence of an unknown catalyst under emission of heat and ionizing radiation….
    “An independent analysis in Sweden did not find an isotope ratio different from the natural one. Such a fusion would require very high temperatures and should result in the emission of strong gamma radiation from the destruction of positrons and electrons.[12]

    …The application of so high a voltage is not possible within such a small device due to spark generation. …
    “Inventors also claim the mentioned “fusion” generates weak gamma and neutron radiation.[16] Radiation is said to be β+ corpuscular radiation with positrons (known from potassium 40-decay). They also claim they do not know the exact functional principle. The actual reaction chamber is estimated at a volume of about one litre and shielded by a layer of 2 cms of lead. In their patent application, inventors claim …
    “The term LENR is not known to professional journals and such fusion processes have not been proven as of yet. …
    “According to Rossi, future commercial „energy catalyzers“ will include a self-destruction mechanism. Any attempts to inspect the secret operating mechanism and internal components of reactors thus were prevented.[22]

    “….During the press conference they mentioned a heat input of 600 Watts, at a calculated output of 12,000 Watts (12 kW). However, according to a report published (G. Levi), actual supplied power was 1,022 Watt on average. A further analysis of the data published showed a result of 1,073 Watt.[34] Power used was between 400 and 1,500 W. The inventors calculated their estimate of generated heat from the heated water: 292 grammes of water per minute were heated from 20 °C to 101 °C (allegedly dry vapour) and evaporated. The attending physicists were allowed to take some measurements. They were disappointed, however, as a…

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “Rossi claims degree in Chemical Engineering from diploma mill? In his own bio on his website,
    “in addition to his degree in Philosophy from University of Milan, Rossi cites his 1979 Chem Engineering degree from Kensington University in California, a school of dubious merit founded in 1976. Kensington U eventually was shut down by California regulators. Kensington U then “relocated” to Hawaii—meaning it had a mail drop there but no physical presence, according to Hawaiian officials. Hawaii sued Kensington U & court dissolved its corporation in 2003”

  • desert_lady desert_lady

    Some of Anne’s “experts” on Rossi:
    This article ignores facts from the ECAT and PESN websites, states that “all… claims of cold fusion have been illegitimate”. Clear debunk attempt. The Oct. 28 successful test of the Rossi unit overrides this.

    Steven Krivit is a science journalist. He states that all ‘low energy nuclear reaction’ (LENR) i.e., cold fusion devices are extremely safe:
    “LENR is a clean form of nuclear energy; it produces no radioactive “waste.” No greenhouse gases result from LENR…”

    “LENR experiments yield only very low levels of gamma rays and neutron emissions. Such low levels of radiation are found in at least some LENR reactions, but this radiation is usually absorbed directly within the experiments. Shielding, if required, likely will be easily manageable and suitable for industrial as well as residential applications.”

    But here is Steven Krivit on Fukushima March 14 2011:
    “One possible worst-case scenario from the Japanese nuclear incidents is that misinformed fearmongers will take advantage of the public’s lack of understanding and fear of nuclear technology. Misguided policymakers could interfere with a highly reliable, dependable energy technology that provides 45.7 percent of the world’s emission-free electricity.”
    He posted a comment below his article:
    “Beware the fear of nuclear….FEAR!” with a link, check it out.

    His article “Examples of Nuclear Misinformation and Fear Mongering” March 21, 2011

    His magazine’s list of all Fukushima-related articles:
    His blog’s list of Fukushima articles:

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      desert_lady, Nuclear energy isn’t emission free. The necessary cooling is not emission free. The transport of nuclear waste is not emission free. The mining of uranium is not emission free. Krypton-85 released from every nuclear reactor every day, and huge amounts from accidents causes severe weather and depletion of the ozone layer.

      And it is the most expensive form of energy.

      There is no safe level of radiation. A science journalist is not the same as a nuclear engineer or a medical doctor. Radiation kills not only with cancer, but stenosis of the blood vessels causing heart attacks and strokes. Radiation causes respiratory illness and pneunomia. It causes weakness of the muscles including the heart muscle.

      Radiation causes birth defects including autism and downs syndrome, decreased intelligence, and genetic deformities and other horrible mutations.

      Shunning nuclear reactions is reality, not fear mongering. (Now who is name calling?)

      You need to quote independent experts, not a science journalist who is paid to write what he/she is told to write.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Energy Catalyzer
      “The device was demonstrated to an invited audience several times, and has been commented on by various academics and others. On October 28, 2011, Rossi claimed that he had completed a successful 5.5 hour test of a self-sustaining heat generator that produced 470 kW, and that he had made a sale to an undisclosed customer. However, the independent observers of the test were not allowed to make their own measurements nor closely scrutinize the company’s procedures.[11] Mark Gibbs of Forbes commented: ‘until a verifiably objective analysis is conducted by an independent third party that confirms the results match the claims there’s no real news’.[12]

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Scientific Critique Against Rossi Claim
      Posted on November 5, 2011 by Steven B. Krivit
      Source: American Chronicle
      Author: Rainer Walter Kühne
      “On 28 October 2011 Andrea Rossi performed an experiment with his E-cat in front of several journalists. He claimed to have liberated large amounts of thermal energy by using a simple inexpensive apparatus and small amounts of input energy. If his claim is correct, this would mean a major scientific breakthrough and the key to inexpensive clean energy. I argue that his experiment includes mistakes. However, I point out that nuclear fusion under desktop conditions is possible and that a major scientific breakthrough has been published this year. Real scientific breakthroughs are always published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.Andrea Rossi claims to liberate large amounts of thermal energy by using a simple inexpensive apparatus and small input energy.
      “Rossi claims that at least since 2008 he can liberate the thermal energy reproducible at will.
      “Rossi says that each module of his E-cat includes 50 grams of nickel and some amount of hydrogen gas at high pressure and high temperature. The nickel is not pure, but contains a secret catalyst.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “For an experiment which Rossi started on 5 March 2009 and terminated on 26 April 2009 he claims to have liberated 3768 kWh of thermal energy, where the input electric energy was only 18.54 kWh. Rossi says that after the experiment he examined the nickel via secondary ion mass spectroscopy. The nickel included 30% of copper, where the ratio of the copper isotopes was Cu-63 / Cu-65 = 1.6, whereas the natural ratio of the isotopes is Cu-63 / Cu-65 = 2.2. Rossi states also to have observed radioactivity from his modules. His explanation for the appearance of the thermal energy, the copper, the anomalous copper isotope ratio and the radioactivity is that the nickel and the hydrogen transmute into copper by the help of the secret catalyst.
        “On 28 October 2011 Rossi performed an experiment in front of several journalists. The experiment started at 9:00 h and terminated at 23:00 h that day. Data for the experiment were given only for the time between 12:30 h and 18:00 h. The experiment included 107 modules of his E-cat.
        “Rossi says that for this time interval of 5.5 hours the only input energy was 66 kWh to run the fans and pumps. He claims that the output thermal energy was 2635 kWh.
        “In this and in all other experiments, Rossi determined the output energy by flow calorimetry. Before the experiment he measured the water flow as 675.6 litres/hour. The temperature of the input water was 18.3 degrees Celsius. By assuming that the water flow was constant, the consumed water was 3716 kg. Rossi says that only 5 kg of the water has not vaporized. So 3711 kg of water are assumed to have been heated from 18.3 degrees Celsius to the boiling temperature of 100 degrees Celsius, which requires 4.18 Joule per gram per Kelvin. To vaporize water to steam further 2272 Joule per gram are required. The total output energy is therefore
        3711000 * (2272 + 4.18 * (100 – 18.3)) J = 9.699 * 10^9 J = 9.699 GJ = 2694 kWh.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “This looks fascinating and like a major scientific breakthrough. Take some nickel and hydrogen, use 66 kWh of electric energy and get 2635 kWh of thermal energy. Thereby the nickel is transmuted to copper, where the isotope ratio of the produced copper is anomalous and radioactivity is measured.
        “But is the claimed evidence real? I have strong doubts. My reasons are the following.
        “(1) Rossi says that his E-cat liberates thermal energy only if the catalyst is used. The catalyst is secret. So no one else can reproduce his experiment. Any failure to reproduce his experiment can be explained by saying that “you have not used the right catalyst”. Recall that reproducibility by others is a sign of physical science, non-reproducibility is a sign of occultism.
        “(2) Rossi worked together with scientists, especially with Sergio Focardi. None of these scientists knows what the E-cat consists of, i. e. is the nickel in the form of powder, sponge or rod, what is the nature of the catalyst, does the E-cat include nickel and hydrogen at all?
        “(3) Several scientists were allowed to do measurements with his E-cat. But they had to regard the entire apparatus as a black box. They had no possibility to check whether the input energy was determined correctly. Was there no additional input energy?
        “(4) The claim of huge amounts of liberated thermal energy stands and falls with the assumption that the flow rate of the water was constant in time. The flow rate was measured only once before the experiment. The calculated output thermal energy has in all experiments been identical with the energy required to heat and vaporize the entire water, but not more and not less energy. This identity has always been independent of the input electric energy. There is no reason for this miracle. But this miracle can be explained if the flow rate changes during the experiment, if only so much water can flow as vaporizes.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “(5) Rossi claims that 3711 litres of water have been vaporized within 5.5 hours. How could he and the journalists have breathed? The air in the room must have consisted of water!
        “(6) Rossi claims that the E-cat generates radioactivity. If this is true, this would be strong evidence of nuclear reactions. Why doesn’t he say whether these radioactive rays are alpha, beta or gamma rays, what their intensity, temporal behavior and energy distribution is?
        “Secrecy, lack of controls, insufficient information, no possibility for reproducibility by independent researchers are not signs of science but of occultism.
        “However, nuclear fusion under desktop conditions is possible. By using pyroelectric crystals Naranjo and collaborators and Geuther and collaborators have measured the intensity, the temporal behavior and the energy of the generated neutrons and X-rays. Moreover they have published their results in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
        B. Naranjo, J. K. Gimzewski and S. Putterman, Nature 434, 1115-1117 (2005).
        J. Geuther, Y. Danon and F. Saglim, Physical Review Letters 96, 054803 (2006).
        “Real scientific breakthroughs are always published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
        “For example, I argued that light consists not only of the Einstein electric photon but also of the hypothetical Salam magnetic photon. I argued that the intensity of the magnetic photon rays depends on the absolute speed of the laboratory and that these magnetic photon rays have already been observed. I argued that absolute motion is compatible with physics and required by general relativity. I published my work in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.”
        “R. W. Kühne, “Quantum Field Theory with Electric-Magnetic Duality and Spin-Mass Duality but Without Grand Unification and Supersymmetry”, African Review of Physics 6, 165-179 (2011)

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “Rainer Walter Kühne

        “Dr. Rainer W. Kühne is a German physicist. He published in peer-reviewed science journals about Steven Jones type cold nuclear fusion, Kurt Gödel’s intrinsically rotating universe, Paul Dirac’s magnetic monopoles, Abdus Salam’s magnetic photon, aether drift, Elie Cartan’s torsion theory, Paul Dirac’s Large Number Theory, the fundamental equation of unified field theory, Werner Heisenberg’s quantum spin systems, and Plato’s Atlantis.”

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      desert-lady, Krivit is the staunchest critic of Rossi. The only person you cite is diametrically opposed to your claims:
      Cold Fusion: Future of physics or phoney?

      “However, Steven B Krivit, editor of New Energy Times and one of Rossi’s staunchest critics remains unconvinced. His report on the 6 October test was headlined “E-Cat Test Demonstrates Energy Loss” because his method of calculation shows that during the experiment as a whole, including the warm-up period, the total energy output was less than the energy input….”

  • desert_lady desert_lady

    Anne, I do not have time to follow everything nor respond to everything you are posting. I guess you consider this a ‘battle’? that is very sad. I will continue to post as I see fit but I’m not going to ‘debunk’ you repeatedly. You are adding a lot of unnecessary confusion to the issue. This is a legitimate device, it’s going into production, and it’s worth everyone’s time to investigate it. I question YOUR motives, frankly.

    Once these plants are running, it will be public knowledge what is going on. They apparently do not use, nor leave behind, radioactive substances of any kind. They do not appear harmful. They emit nothing toxic and they run on minuscule amounts of common elements that do not require stripping mountaintops nor polluting vast quantities of underground aquifers. They do not require batteries or large arrays. They will soon be available for homes so goodbye grid!! I am stunned and happy. It’s all I could talk about today with my family!

    I have been looking for something like this all my life. I (and the rest of the world) will be watching to see how it performs. Having lived with an important invention in the house growing up, I realize how much trial-and-error goes into designing new systems. I choose to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt. I’d never heard of him or his device until this forum and a recent email from State Dept. whistleblower Fred Burks
    I am not on anyone’s pay-roll but if this device pans out, we may look at some kind of affiliation due to my husband’s electrical business. We only talked about that YESTERDAY so you can make anything you want from that.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      NASA Engineer Explains Why Rossi Demos Failed
      New Energy Times Blog ^ | 11/10/2011 | Steven B. Krivit
      Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:35:57 PM by Johnny B.
      One commentator:
      “From Wikipedia:
      “As Ny Teknik reports, Peter Ekström, lecturer at the Department of Nuclear Physics at Lund University in Sweden, concluded in May 2011, “I am convinced that the whole story is one big scam, and that it will be revealed in less than one year.”[22][23] He cites the unlikelihood of a chemical reaction being strong enough to overcome the Coulomb barrier, the lack of gamma rays, the lack of explanation for the origin of the extra energy, the lack of the expected radioactivity after fusing a proton with 58Ni, the unexplained occurrence of 11% iron in the spent fuel, the 10% copper in the spent fuel strangely having the same isotopic ratios as natural copper, and the lack of any unstable copper isotope in the spent fuel as if the reactor only produced stable isotopes.[22] Kjell Aleklett, physics professor at Uppsala University, said the percentage of copper was too high for any known reaction of nickel, and the copper had the same isotopic ratio as natural copper. He also stated, “Known chemical reactions cannot explain the amount of energy measured. A nuclear reaction can explain the amount of energy, but the knowledge we have today says that this reaction cannot take place.”[24][23] …”

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I’m not actually replying to you at all, but to any readers who might not have read the experts.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        There is actually no battle. As one commentator said, Madoff bilked billions of dollars over a number of years because he had “believers”.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      16. Cold Fusion Versus LENR: Competing Ideologies
      By Steven B. Krivit
      New Energy Times Magazine, January 31, 2011, Issue #36

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Rossi and Focardi LENR Device: The Melich and Macy Reports
      “Andreski says:
      January 27, 2011 at 13:21
      “Dear Rossi et al.,
      “The demonstration, as I can gather from the published “reports” so far, lacks a number of ingredients for it to be qualified as a novel energy source. If someone claims to have a device that will propel the world in a new Golden Age, they must make sure to give a decent demonstration that is beyond doubt. You fail on a number of points in that, and other, regards.
      1. You and your colleagues gave a 30min presentation only. You must demonstrate continuous operation on the span of at least 8 to 10 hours. Instead, it was shown that some quantity of water was converted to some quantity of steam for 30 minutes. Hidden sources of energy can be placed in every niche of your device, from the “control box” up to the cell itself. Generate more energy out than in for 10 hours in public and the invention suddenly looks far more plausible….”

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Please focus on the consequences of these experiments most ably expressed by Mark L. LeClair:
      Comment to “Cold Fusion Versus LENR: Competing Ideologies”
      Mark L. LeClair says:
      February 1, 2011 at 16:00
      “I appeal to Rossi and Focardi to consider a moratorium on the construction of the 1 MW Rossi-Focardi reactor. It is highly imprudent to radically scale-up any new nuclear process without widespread and independent study of the mechanism, to ensure there are no potentially hidden public saftey issues. I speak from personal experience and have strong reason to suspect that Rossi and Focardi may be using the same mechanism to trigger fusion that I used in August, 2009, with the help of my coinvestigator, Serge Lebid. That series of experiments, based on cavitation, triggered a host of unforseen and undesirable side effects, as I described in my previous post. I discovered a crystaline form of water that is a macrocation generated by the enormous pressure of cavitation and carves long trenchs, chasing it’s bow shock via the Casimir Effect. We built with a grant from an investor what was supposed to be a zero point energy water heater, but instead went nuclear. My reactor, which I estimate put out 4kW, caused both of us severe radiation sickness, that included all the classic symptoms, that has left us weak and sore for over a year and in and out of the hospital. Symptoms included diarrhea, vomiting, flu like symptoms, difficulty breathing, hair loss and severe weakness. We both had no control over our body temperature thermoregulation for nearly seven months, with our temperatures swinging back and forth from hypothermia to fever. The Maine Radiation Hazmat team was called in to our lab to be sure there was no residual radioactive contamination, which fortunately there wasn’t. Both of us were sickened again by the experiment in Washington, DC at NRL.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        . We are only now starting to recover from the second exposure. Our radiation exposure was confirmed by blood tests using SKY radiation dosimetry done gratis by McMaster University, showing multiple chromosome breaks and translocations in both Serge and I. As I pointed out in the last post, the August 24-25, 2009 experiments also gave off powerful de Brolie matter waves that I didn’t notice until the experiment was over, but caused unbelievable havoc. I’m sure our sickness was due in part to the matter waves as well. No one could have foreseen either the crystal, it’s behavior our the emission of the powerful matter waves. Melich was present at our NRL experiment and I explained my theory on the underlying mechanism. Melich is now is heavily involved with Rossi. The low level of gamma emmision, 50% above background, is the same gamma emmision behavior we observed, 20-50%, both in August 24-25, 2009 and at NRL on April 12, 2010. Take heed, if the Rossi and Focardi reactor incorporates the same principals I used to trigger fusion and it is scaled to 1 MW, then I predict that everyone who lives nearby will be in grave danger.”

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Rossi Explains Defkalion’s Financial Fault

    • RAH


      I too own an electrical business.
      When a local company developed a hydrogen fuel cell the size of a refrigerator, I jumped for joy and tried to become an installer of said units for residential use.
      At first, the reception by the company was welcomed. Their stock was booming, they were going into mass production and everyone thought they could install one and kiss the utility good-bye.
      Next thing you know, the utility bullied the company into partnering with them. You couldn’t buy your own. You had to LEASE it from the local utility. The utility, fearing major loss of revenue became their partner.
      Here’s the end game, the utility was charging an arm and leg as a fee. Because of the partnership agreement, the fuelcell manufacturer suffered setbacks in marketing and future contracts. Add to that the high cost of bottled hydrogen and 3K in maintenance fees for the membranes, and the company is practically bankrupt. They have refocused their core business to developing fuel cell tech for electronic devices.
      I have since switched to installing Solar. Your husband should do the same.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Comment to:
      Rossi energy catalyst – a big hoax or new physics?

      Simone says:
      May 16, 2011 at 4:14 pm
      I believe the whole thing is a hoax, also given the past of Mr. Rossi. He has a degree in engineering he got in Kensington University (notably, a ‘diploma mill’ closed in 2003). He already is infamous for a huge hoax, the ‘Petrol Dragon’ one, where he claimed he could make oil out of waste in the late 70s, in Italy. He got money, he took waste and money for disposing of it from various companies, then simply added random cheap chemicals to it and buried it underground. Many sites have been severely polluted by his actions and are still under cleaning up. I don’t trust this man and don’t think he can have the right scientific background to do what he claims he’s done. Even if cold fusion was possible, he wouldn’t be the one able to realize it.
      “Thank you for your comment. As I wrote I like to have full name befor I put out a comment like the one that you do. Can you reffer to some documents that show that you are rught? Kjell”
      sorry about my mistake… my full name is Simone Sturniolo. About the documents, I know plenty of them but unfortunately they are all written in Italian, starting from the Wikipedia article about the case and Andrea Rossi’s own internet site, where he claims he’s been a victim of a character assassination:
      This site features a full account of the Petrol Dragon case and some related events:
      You can use the automatic translation feature, it’s not perfect but it kinda works.

  • thelili

    Desert Lady pay attention:

    Humans make errors with new/experimental technologies. Fukushima was about multiple human errors on many levels. Japan had big ideas and wanted the prestige,power, and money more than it wanted to ensure the safety of its technologies and citizens. This included its behaviors with the Japanese nuclear industry and the politicians in bed with the global nuclear industry.

    The concern at Enenews is about nuclear technologies and its effects on society.Nuclear mass murder has been committed by a group of people that liked the “thought” of their nuclear technology but not the actual expense of proper nuclear usage,maintenance, containment and waste disposal.

    Now my question to you Desert Lady is why are you so adamant about making your point on this particular site? I hope you are here to make people understand that there are alternative technologies are available. But as Fukushima has created a bit of a deadline, helpful useful technologies need to be up and functional very quickly.

    Otherwise, if you are a shill you are wasting your own time. Life is too short now for such things.

    • Grace Grace

      anne you have spent a lot of effort – why not spend similar doing something about the nuclear power stations ?
      You know, make a sign, some leaflets, write to press, politicians ffs. or join me over on Facebook for a jolly good shill bash – the pages of Women in Nuclear Global, World Nuclear News etc. There is no need for you to put personal details onto facebook, I’d love some help 🙂
      General Electric is a company with whom I intend to have words, you could write to them for instance.

      • Grace Grace

        though to be fair, I have read your links anne and they demonstrate sound research and conclusions so I’m not arguing for that no more, there is that sying ‘if something seems to good to be true, then it may well not in fact be true’ – hope is a killer aint it.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Dear Grace, It depends on what you hope for. If hope is narcissistic and for riches and power, then it is a killer. If hope to help the humblest of God’s creatures, then it is rewarded by internal joy.

          Jesus is the true example:
          Luke 4:1-13

          1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.

          3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”

          4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone.’[a]”

          5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

          8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”

          9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written:

          “‘He will command his angels concerning you
          to guard you carefully;
          11 they will lift you up in their hands,
          so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”

          12 Jesus answered, “It says: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

          13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Dear Grace, Have you ever heard of the debate between the pen and the sword? I care about the truth. Your attempts to sabotage a recounting of the truth by placing red herrings and non-relevant guilt in my path seem, IMHO, that you do not want the truth about the Rossi hoax placed before the public. Your advice in opposite to the advice of Jesus. I follow Jesus, not Grace [aka, desert_lady, or maybe she/he is your twin sister].

        Matthew 6:2-4 2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Seven Psychological Principles Con Artists Exploit

        The funny thing is that con artists are themselves the individuals most prone to being conned by others.

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Grace, I’ll join in! 🙂

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Repost of mine… from the discussion thread..
    The Democratic plans to occupy ..Occupy.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Frank Miller..writer of 300 has something to say about Occupy and Hollywood.

  • Grace Grace


  • Kevin Kevin

    Thrive “the movement”

    See it here:

    Sorry if its a repost

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Massive public disobedience: Thousands of protestors take action against nuclear transport – takes already 92 hours…,1518,800178,00.html

    • arclight arclight

      this is going to make things difficult for nuke PR!! thanks for the post b and b

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hola arclight, hope all stays safe…police comes with horses now, but Samba groups are around, and people bring tea and cake.

        • arclight arclight

          god to see your ok!! ive been up to some mischievness as well!! fill you in when i get some feedback!! give my love to all the protesters! we are routing for you all!!

          peace light and love

          enjoy the cake!!

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Arc, i’m not with them right now, just following what is happening on
            I’m busy learning my climate change stuff and preparing to save the world 🙂
            I donated money instead of going there…

            • arclight arclight

              reportng it is important too!

              did you see the video the kremlin put out? new missile defence system and breaking relations with europe hinted! 🙁 discussion thread … wonder how this is going to effect climate initiatives?

              • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                Oh yes, all those idiots…climate-wise nothing will change as long as the USA,, China and India refuse to sign any binding treaty. As those 3 cause the major percentage of the world’s emissions, it won’t change much if only the other ones are acting. It will just not be enough…. 🙁
                I decided not to wait for politicians but to start myself, currently working with the city council to reduce the communal waste by 50%.
                We need radical solutions! 🙂