Published: January 31st, 2012 at 12:36 pm ET
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January 18, 2012 hearing held by Ministry of Trade, Economy and Industry had its Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency regarding the Oi nuclear power plant:
SOURCE: OPTVstaff
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Published: January 31st, 2012 at 12:36 pm ET
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11 Months and counting!
The Japanese people and many of those of the rest of the World, wait in fear because of what TEPCO and the Japanese Gov’t. are trying to make money instead of stopping this Eco-Disaster…
That is the bottom line and no amount of Nuclear Baloney (NB) type “reports or reviews or Nuclear theory” makes that any better.
Do any of US actually know what the situation is on the ground?
I sure don’t, but I know that because TEPCO has lied, concealed data and played the Japanese People’s SAFETY down, while trying to save TEPCO profits instead, we all have much to fear from THEM!
If someone told me 10 MONTHS ago that I would be sitting on the edge of my chair, and blogging to save the Japanese people from their Utility TEPCO & their Gov’t. overseers I would have thought they were crazy!
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I don’t think it’s about protecting TEPCO anymore. The Japanese government is worried about mass panic–people quitting thier jobs, pulling their money out of the stock market and moving to Chile, suicide epidemics, etc. If you were in charge of things there, wouldn’t you be concerned about this?
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It will happen. They are just stalling the inevitable.
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TEPCO and the Nuclear Mafia
http://is.gd/b8kXDL
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“TEPCO’s involvement with anti-social forces and their inability to filter them out of the work-place is a national security issue. It is one reason that increasingly in the Diet we are talking de facto nationalization of the company. Nuclear energy shouldn’t be in the hands of the yakuza. They’re gamblers and an intelligent person doesn’t want them to have atomic dice to play with.”
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There are only three piles of radioactive junk in Fukushima and those are no longer reactors!
Example:
If a tank blows up you have a burned out hulk or mass of scrap but you don;t have a tank any more; that ceased to exist when it blew up…
RE: Cold Shutdown:
It is a misuse of the term to describe a reactor after meltdown as ‘in cold shutdown’. If the fuel assembly is destroyed no shutdown is possible. Fuel is melted together and impossible to control directly. Even if pressure and temperature are not alarming momentarily ‘cold shutdown’ implies complete control which is impossible after meltdown.
Why can’t the Nuclear Industry accept that a melted down reactor is not a normal condition for a reactor which is shut down for any number of reasons and is ABLE TO BE STARTED UP AGAIN SAFELY!
This is a perfect example of Nuclear Oriented Bad Science (N☢ BS) being used to provide dis-information to the public and only serves to call into question those in the Industry that should be speaking out against this Nuclear Baloney (NB)!
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You’re right and this is poorly understood. Even a car is not a car if it has a wheel off. Complex systems increase in probability of suddenly becoming junk in proportion to their complexity, especially in a shrinking economy. Hence the expression “Nuclear is extremely safe (until it isn’t).”
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Dear Risa: I’ve never quite thought of it that way. THANK YOU very much–Very illuminating insight. I’ve known for about 20 years that each discontinuous leap in “technology” results in the manufacture of large, infinite?, numbers of NEW problems; but your analysis is more eloquent and I can use it in discussing big picture problem with people more readily. Wow, I’m seriously stunned by the example. They say people’s creativity increases in times like these, I can see this at least in others like yourself.
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I would not claim even for a second that nuclear is ‘extremely’ safe.
How does one measure ‘extremely’ safe? If we have a Carrington Effect, and all 400 nuclear power plants melt down, blow up and cause the extinction of the human race, then this argument becomes mute. No one will be left to debate this issue.
The Carrington Effect WILL HAPPEN. Nuclear power plants are NOT READY for this. Thus, they are EXTREMELY UNSAFE, because they will cause the exctintion of all life on the planet.
Another expert said it is a miracle every day that a nuclear power plant DOES NOT BLOW UP, because they are trying to control an uncontrollable FISSION process, which is basically like a nuclear bomb, only in slow motion.
Nuclear energy to me is like opening Pandora’s Box and expecting only butterfly’s, fairies and flowers to come out of it, instead of horrors, suffering and death.
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Yes, and of course that was my point. "Extremely safe" is a very strange phrase when used anywhere, and when used by nuclear advocates represents a certain level of ignorance not only about nuclear but about probability issues with complex systems in general.
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What is wrong with this “Picture”:
1. Tepco is one the “GANGS” that runs Japan.
2. What is good for TEPCO is good for Japan.
3. The Japanese people MUST OBEY TEPCO for the “GOOD” of the Country.
4. The financial health of TEPCO is more important than the Physical health of the People!
5. Only TEPCO knows what is best, all others must BOW to TEPCO’s rule.
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We now are being ruled by those in Nuclear Denial*; instead of by Leaders that demand an end to the Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster RISK that Nuclear poses to mankind! The nuclear industry is fighting tooth and nail to maintain it’s market share yet NOW Solar (of all flavors) is far less to construct, faster to construct and carries with it N☢ Nuclear radioactive baggage that can kill an economy and or those nearby!
Ask The Japanese!
*Nuclear Denial
http://is.gd/XPjMd0
The illogical belief that Nature cannot destroy any land based nuclear reactor, any place anytime 24/7/365!
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People in the Western World, need to reexamine the “way” they view Japan and that includes not only how that Country is governed but what actual “say” the Japanese people have in their Governments process!
It has taken almost a year to realize that Japan is actually being “run” by its Powerful Utility Companies and this “business” relationship extends in a “Control Continuum” that extends at one end, from actual Utility direct financial support of the highest Government Leaders in the Country, to the widely known use of organized gangs to keep citizens in line at the other!
The idea that individual Japanese people actually have a say in how they are governed, much less the way their Energy is generated, is just a well publicized fantasy that the Utilities uses to put a nuclear “smily face” on the grim reality that ever facet of Japanese life is less important than what is good for these Utilities! These Powerful Utilities ARE Japan, and the Japanese people are only “forced” customers of these Utilities since they have no other choice of providers when it come to basic needs like electricity, at lest until now! Solar panels have allowed many to get the electricity they need and this is a huge threat to these Utilities, that must be “crushed” ASAP if they are to maintain their complete control over the Japanese people!
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Rock their world CaptD!
NB* and ND* and NOBS*
The Yamashita Effect
and all the rest
join Yakuza Paloosa
and Spooky Kabuki -
friends of the porn star
Fuku Nuki Kablooie
who gave a good blow
Then Tanuki-sans’
sz. Lg. balls stole the show
but from now until nevermore
in spite of their polish
the fight must go on until
all nukes are finished
and bullcrapping criminals
lies overt and subliminal
can’t hide the fact that
all nukes are eliminable!
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Clap! Clap! Good one.
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WOW! That was excellent!! I liked the “spooky kabuki”……
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Hi CaptD, BreadAndButter, and Ruth if you are here.
I wanted to start a discussion previously regarding the sovereign power of the people under Japanese law, to legally prevent their government from causing national harm.
At the time, Ruth pointed out that the people there would not exercise this legal constitutional power and had resigned themselves, their children, and future to die. As an indication of this, Ruth pointed to the posting from Fukushima Diary which spelled this out.
BreadAndButter commented that 5 million signatures had been gathered in Tokyo against the nuclear industry.
I have 2 larger concerns about all that is happening. The first is that this is an absolute evil against humanity. The second is how humanity may be further diminished as a result of the human rights given to corporations.
There must be some way to stop these crimes against humanity. When their government are putting innocent people in harms way, is there anything in the Japanese constitution which allow the people to act in their collective well being. I am not a lawyer, so I posted part of the constitution below.
We, the Japanese people, acting through our duly elected representatives in the National Diet, determined that we shall secure for ourselves and our posterity the fruits of peaceful cooperation with all nations and the blessings of liberty throughout this land, and resolved that never again shall we be visited with the horrors of war through the action of government, do proclaim that sovereign power resides with the people and do firmly establish this Constitution. Government is a sacred trust of the people, the authority for which is derived from the people, the powers of which are exercised by the representatives of the people, and the benefits of which are enjoyed by the people. This is a universal principle of mankind upon which this Constitution is founded. We reject and revoke all constitutions, laws, ordinances and rescripts in conflict…
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Hi TheBowRiver, I'm here! I share your worries about the general public losing more and mor rights to corporations and the like. I'm thinking though that we all as a population not only have those rights given to us by our constitutions, but with it goes a responsibility to use those rights and take care about what's going on around us.
Isn't it so that most of us never care as long as everything is going fine? We just had elections here today – and not even 50% took part. I find that absolutely shocking.
That being said, I think the people in the video above give me hope. They recognized that they can't allow any longer to leave their elected personnel alone, but must make themselves seen. We need more (much more) grassroots activism.
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Hi BreadAndButter, it is great to see you on here. I totally agree and in this case, at least some non-coroporation humans are putting a line in the concrete and saying "no more". I am not Japanese and I do not live in Japan. I live in western Canada and yes jokingly I can admit to having way too much spare time on my hands! Despite differing nationalities, I can sense that this issue may become pivotal for all of human existence.
or-well penns it best in prose and kudos to him and all in this struggle.
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Hey TheBowRiver, where IS or-well by the way? We need him here! I'm not around that much anymore myself at the moment, as I have by far not enough spare time on my hands right now…BUT I'm teaming up with my local Agenda21 group, the anti-nuke group and currently start wrestling with the city council over a military (casern? sp?) facility formerly used by the French. It's empty now, and the city wants to convert it to standard living area with a supermarket. What I (and some others) want is
- zero energy buildings
- green roofs
- rainwater management
- mixing living and office spaces, so folks don't have to commute to work
- trees with edible fruits in the area
- no cars
…….
Hoefully the process will be more friendly than in the video above
Grassroot GALORE
*peace
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Con’t
Ever since 3/11, the rest of the World’s attention has been focused on the Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster at Fukushima and Japan’s response to their triple melt down. What we have learned is that the Government has allowed TEPCO to not only remain in Control of this debacle but they have actually enabled the Utility to place huge numbers of Japanese citizens at risk rather than demand that the Utility think first of human health instead of Corp. shareholder profits. The fact that radioactive pollution has now spread Globally and is affecting the rest of the Planet is hardly mentioned in MSM which points to an even greater problem for the rest of mankind; we are helpless and as yet unable to demand any “better” treatment from Japan because our own Leaders are for the most part are in full support of the those Utility backed Leaders in Japan.
Kudos to Germany and many other Countries for pointing the finger at Nuclear Power and the Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster RISK every nuclear complex now represents! People globally now are becoming informed and starting to demand answers to basic questions and once people start asking questions perhaps change will occur, even if not for the Japanese themselves… one thing is for certain, the Japanese people will be affected by their Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster for much longer than the estimated 40 to 100 years that it will take to “tidy up” after Fukushima…
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it also may be wise to stand further back and play the scenario of “no nuclear because it is a disaster” out. i agree that it is a poor solution to an issue, if the “power addicted society” should ever be an issue, but is there a controlling force behind the manufacture of the situation or at least on that takes advantage of “mother nature’s” circumstances?
will the outcome be a de-centralized wind/solar/water solution in a society balanced and living with the Earth, where each small community provides for itself? (and does not strive to despoil the rend but to be.)
this is only the outcome after wrestling with the great corporate beasts and long term oligarchy that presently steers the boat. we are that, we wrestle with ourselves.
Love it.
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Isn’t it hard to love an ELE?
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They know there are only so many chest moves left till CHECKMATE and they know it, when everyone dose, “CHECKMATE !”
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@CaptD: nice analysis of the Japanese quandary. Many aspects of Japan’s ‘conventional’ energy policies were imposed upon them, by the U.S. government. The Japanese people are victims of the “Atoms for Peace” program…
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Thanks
For a good book Review on this see: http://is.gd/1A9JtN
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This government needs to be overturned. The Japanese people have a right to live in a free society.
Isn’t that the goal for all civilized societies?
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The yakuza are not also tight with the Japanese govt.? O that is a relief.
Nationalizing – doesn’t that just mean the public picks up the tab? O boy, great solution here.
Seeing this video brightened my day a little. I was SO proud of those brave Japanese guys standing up to the evil ones and not backing down.
This is MAJOR, when the whipped, subservient Japanese finally get some guts and moxie. They are just so conditioned to bow down to authority ‘no matter what.’
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Develop moxie and guts, or die.
I’m wondering when the whipped, subservient Americans will start showing the same thing.
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Ditto
As it is the Ultra’s are winning the First Financial Civil War thanks to the SCOTUS decision that made one man one vote into one dollar one vote!
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We can blame TEPCO, Japanese Mafia and etc. All are scapegoats for the Government of Japan.
Every country has its tepcos and mafias, this is nothing new. A country’s government is to blame when injustice is brought upon it’s people.
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Agreed.
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Over-turning the Japanese govt.? Sure thing, we’ll get right on it.
Living in a free society is ‘the goal for all civilized societies’…? I get a whiff of naivete here, somehow… feel like I am back in a high school civics class.
No one anywhere on the planet lives in a free society. Organized crime and govt. are two sides of the same coin pretty much everywhere.
Wake up and smell the corruption.
That’s what those guys at that meeting have done. Boy, were the ‘suits’ sweating bullets or what?
They should hang for capital crimes against humanity, is what should happen and THEY KNOW IT.
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The video illustrates just how far the Japanese Gov’t. will go to HIDE what TEPCO and the nuclear Utilities are doing while trying to make it appear that these discussions are being held publicly, which is not true!!
SAY N☢ to the Nuclear Gangs!
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Agreed – its such a disappointing thing to see and doesn’t suggest there’s good times where society is heading.
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@bleep_hits_blades You speak of ‘capital crimes against humanity’. Isn’t that also a part of your high school civics class?
With an attitude as ‘no one lives in a free society’, you offer no hope for humanity. To blow off someone’s opinion by calling it ‘a whiff of naivete’ is an example of closed mindedness, no better than what we are seeing in Japan.
Have a little hope and less negativity.
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Dear Mary: I’m afraid I have no idea what you mean in reference to Bleep. Are you saying that there is only hope in some reconfiguration of the same hierarchies that daily DECIDE actively to poison us, to impoverish us, to deny higher education (that could have easily solved this and ALL other world problems by now had we already universal higher education), that irradiate us, that absolutely, from a statistical standpoint, stand in the way of implementation of all known solutions. Are the solutions to come from experts, the tops of the current hierarchy, and leaders OR, are they to come from empowering each other. Study Structural Functionalism (our current system). The theory was created by Talcott Parsons b. 1908. He’s pro-capitalist, pro-hierarchy and pro-leadership over the rest of us. As you study this, think about it where we are and how we got here in terms of the Fukushima Cataclysm.
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Dear Mary: I re-read Bleep’s post. I can see what you mean now. I don’t think bleep is saying it’s hopeless; but I can see where you got that.
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Dear Mary: I think what Bleep might be saying, Bleep forgive me if I’m wrong, is that we must see the corruption and its current universality and profundity, as well as understand (this is reaching in the interpretation) that this corruption, since it is hierarchical, must be directly targeted intentionally and as one strong fundamental strategy if we are to change anything. Maybe Bleep is expressing frustration that the number of government and academic apparatchiks outnumbered the citizens and journalists rightfully demanding transparency.
The cancer of greed based, exploitation and hoarding-based systems is hierarchical. Fortunately, there ARE individuals to target at the top who are factually responsible for all decisions beneath them. It is almost 100% true that all corporations are de facto dictatorships. This isn’t just an “is what it is” or inevitable; but a ridiculous thing, from an ecological and human justice standpoint, to which we citizens daily assent, “we” being the world wide public who are not billionaires. Instead, we need a primacy, and it is possible, of WORLDWIDE EQUAL sharing based policies for the greater good. People do think this is naive; but the surviving species that do persist fit into the ecology whether they like it or not if they could think about it by living in ecologically sustainable ways. Otherwise, extinction, by attrition or quicker. It’s amazing how we are a species that has the capacity for alter ego and we are on the historic razor edge of an abyss or event horizon to extinction and much more amorally dragging down 95% of all other species. We can do the equality thing! We can disavow everything toxic and unjust about the current exploitation based systems that created Fukushima and all other injustices. We can share, we can plan, like many world horticultural indigenous cultures. We can have equality and justice for all seven billion extant humans and the estimated 100 million non-human species.
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@Pallas 89j…Bravo! Your last paragraph here is profoundly right on. So well said, and with such efficiency of words that I’d like to give you an Ene Pulitzer.
This is exactly the critical moment at which we find ourselves, or…
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And so begins internal strife in Japan..
The Japanese press has a hell of fight on their hands.
The Japanese people have a hell of a fight on their hands…
They are fighting for their very lives.
Fight…fight the good fight…we …I’m praying for you.
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Exactly – my guts where in knots after watching that. This is inches from getting really ugly I believe. For me it shows Japanese citizens clearly calling on the bullshit. I needed to see that. It is a deadly situation for them – they need to show they are aware of that.
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This is excellent courage on the part of those citizens interceding in the business as usual non-transparency of this meeting. Good job in Japan!!!
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Hardluck and snakebit
and gutshot Japan
having jumped from the frying pan
into nuke fire
with economic stagnation
and de-population
are stuck in a mire
of neo-feudal creation
but to their merit
they’re showing some ire
it might just get hearty
if things get more dire
with noosed necktie parties
for certain officials and
burning tire necklaces
in a world post-judicial
but that’s worst case scenario
apocalyptically speaking
the next step would better be
parliament streaking – that’s more in line
with civilised mores
not to mention much safer
than blood-thirsty forays.
But still, one can dream
of the might of a people
determined to no longer be
acquiescent sheeple
in nuclear pens
awaiting quiet slaughter
determined to reclaim
a better tomorrow
and pull from their dens
the wolves of nuclear sorrow.
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Dear ORWELL!!! I love it! I’m in a literature course where the instructure wants us to write half our stuff in poetic form or poetric prose (?). This super inspires me. Thank you so much. I’m also taking Arabic and this might be excellent to try to translate as a project. Music and poetry, in that order, are excellent other language acquisition tools as these ignite a lot more neurons in areas even outside the language and motor centers associated with speach, listening, etc., THANK YOU!!!
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sorry for typos, I have to leave for school
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I was “rapping” to that one! Then it brought tears to my eyes….
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Kondy, as does your avatar bring tears to mine when I think of what we’ve allowed…so rap it loud and strong so others might hear and maybe ask…
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MaryW, I don’t recall any mention in my civics classes or any class of ‘capital crimes against humanity’ – except of course in reference to ‘politically correct’ officially sanctioned ‘bad guys’ like the Nazis or the Russkis.
Sorry if I offended/was rude, but you came across a bit out of touch with the realities all around us & in our faces when you talked about ‘living in a free society’ being the ‘goal of all civilized societies’. That’s the PR blab, but the reality seems 90 degrees opposite.
When you just scratch the dis-info surface, what you learn indicates that the elites in control want a global NWO fascist dictatorship-type government, & that the masses are pretty clueless & not much help at all, basically. They are clueless about what is happening in Fukushima, & they are clueless about the thrust to consolidate power in the hands of a small monied elite & destroy the freedoms & rights – & capture the wealth – of the masses.
The fact that today’s ‘real-politik’ world is quite other than that rather polly-anna-ish view is actually the underlying ‘subject’ of this entire website.
Hope, I suppose, is fine, but it doesn’t pay the bills, do the dishes, or take the garbage out. Right now I don’t feel very hopeful about the future of the entire world, & that is based on having done a lot of study & reading. I used to be a whole lot more ‘hopeful.’ And Fukushima has pretty much delivered the ‘coup de gras’ to my hopes for a better – or even a continued – world.
The radio-nuclides are still pouring out, & the winds are still carrying them … all over the world. Situation permanently out of control.
So what bit of REAL NEWS today provides a basis for hope that ‘things will get better soon’? Thruout history, govts have been rapacious/exploitative – of their own citizens – & the masses have basically been clueless enough to let that happen.
Most ‘hopeful’ thing I’ve seen lately is those angry Japanese guys.
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@ bleep: i agree with you in every respect, except the bit about Hope and day-to-day routines. when my heart is on the ground, as it is now, i feel no hope; my sink is full of dishes.
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@etwas:
my sink is full of dishes
the laundry is undone
I hear folks talk of wishes
and future hopes of fun.
It makes me feel suspicious
they don’t know where to run
or that we’re food for fishes
under the nuclear gun.
So best I waft them kisses
as they play beneath the sun,
let them leave the dirty business
to those who know it must be done,
and if they give me hisses,
I’ll call them honeybun
and say the sooner they join the dissers
the sooner nukes will be gone.
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thanks, or-well, for the hope-transmission. it is fuel for dirty work!
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OMG!! Now you got me laughing! : )
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I meant, ’180 degrees opposite.’ Of course.
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Pallas thanks for coming into the discussion.
Basically just sitting around hoping isn’t going to accomplish anything. We need to assess the situation realistically. First thing. You can’t put out a fire by hoping there isn’t a fire.
I suspect that MaryW didn’t really think it all over that much and she is probably capable of more thoughtful and analytic responses to the situation.
But with the whole world just acting like such wusses, and no one daring to breath much of a word against these INTERNATIONAL CORPORATE/NUCLEAR/GOVERNMENT CRIMINAL MAFIAS – all of whom should HANG for their crimes – just seeing those Japanese men breaking their cultural conditioning and having so much courage and moxie just filled my sad discouraged heart with JOY and these men became my heroes, along with Dr. Busby, and Helen Caldicott and Arnie Gundersen and Leuren Moret – and others, list not exhaustive.
Some of the plains Indians used to say when sad ‘ my heart is on the ground.’ That is might fine poetry. And yes, MY heart is on the ground. Those brave men at that meeting raised it a few inches from the ‘dusty bottom of utter despair.’
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“Village near Fukushima NPP declares end to Evacuation” (!?)
http://jen.jiji.com/jc/i?g=eco&k=2012013101004&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
via: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Evacuate-Fukushima-%E7%A6%8F%E5%B3%B6%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%90%E4%BE%9B%E3%82%92%E5%AE%88%E3%82%8C/286163761400553?sk=wall
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Sad times bad times. This video is a shame.
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It’s heartbreaking to watch the Japanese people have to beg (this video) or demand (the video where the lady said it was not funny) their leaders to hear them or even look at them.
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Agreed – anyone can see how shitty it is. But that`s it – you have to accept it…. stirs my insides all over.
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I’ve said it before and will say it again…..Thank you enenews for this wonderful and valuable forum.
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I want to apologize to MaryW – didn’t mean to ‘bite your head off’ as the saying goes, or discourage you from being involved here at enenews.com. Other things going on with me, crazy cat lady’s cat meowing non-stop, I have back problems that won’t go away, not asking for sympathy, just saying I might have over-reacted due to these other things.
Also thanks to all of you who commented so tactfully and kindly. This is a good bunch we have here!
Thanks again to admin. for the excellent links and info and for providing this forum and ‘lifeline’ – which is what it is for many of us, a contact with sanity (as well as information) in a ‘world gone wrong’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPh5cs-6Cg
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Stressful times we’re all in.
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Regarding stress tests:
“Individuals and organizations that have vested interests are reviewing themselves and under this regime a proper assessment cannot be made,” Ino said.
Hideo Ikuno, a spokesman for Mitsubishi Heavy, said he wasn’t in a position to comment.
Trade and Industry Minister Yukio Edano said Japan may have no nuclear plants operating this summer and the government is preparing measures to avoid power shortages, the Asahi newspaper reported today, citing his comments in an interview. The safety issue is more important than power supply concerns, Edano told the Asahi.
“If there was a real discussion then the stress tests would be a good forum” for assessing the risks and rewards of nuclear power, Ino said. “As it is, the stress tests are just being used to restart reactors.”
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