Published: May 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm ET
|
Workers find pools of water at No.2, NHK, May 19, 2011:
[...] The workers found three pools of water on the floor, and saw water dropping down from above in some places.
The presence of so much water is apparently due to the condensation of steam rising from the spent fuel storage pool on the upper floor.
Published: May 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm ET
|
sending...
Ever wonder why RadNet was broken just as we needed it? Well, the contract to maintain those puppies was outsourced to a ‘Woman-owned 8(a) Small Disadvantaged Business’. Well, can’t blame some poor ghetto mother just getting started can you? Except the ‘disadvantaged woman’ was the former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for George Bush…hmmm….incompetence or just following orders?
Report Comment
We are all disadvantaged. RadNet is and mostly has been a voluntary force regionally to save costs. It’s unacceptable considering how large our defense budget is that we effectively have little or no defense in the US. Our national defense is outmoded to current realities. Considering our economy it’s a further travesty that we would have ghettos or disadvantaged citizens – especially mothers in this era. I rarely hear complaints from our population when disadvantaged children join the military for lack of options – the employer of last resort. It’s an unjust system tantamount to a socio-economic draft. Minority unemployment is near double currently too. Prison population is grossly skewed too. Everyone loses.
I believe the health, wealth, strength and prosperity of a nation is measured by the treatment and lives of the least rewarded among us – bottom up, not top down measure. In that we fail.
Report Comment
Yes an advanced civilization would certainly invest in its people, one of its most valuable resources. Instead we have only been seen as a nuisance.
Report Comment
Worse yet, we (I should say “they”) treat our people like RAW MATERIALS, things to merely be exploited for one end or another, just like the mistreatment of the earth and its other “resources.”
With that type of immoral exploitation as an accepted philosophy, it was perhaps inevitable that a Fukushima would result.
Report Comment
I have come to the conclusion that you are correct. It was only a matter of time before this happened.
And even if by some miracle we get a pass now, it will just happen some time in the future, that is certain.
We are ruled by a sociopathic oligarchy.
And we are truly and totally expendable to them.
Report Comment
I do agree that we as people have been reduced to units of measure on a balance sheet – despite realities and ethics. We are more than biological resources on a global ranch. The devolvement of conscience into this unethical corporate governance practice for unsound, unsustainable or base motives is at the heart of most challenges we face today, including energy and Fukushima. No one I know would willingly consent to any of this. I suppose it takes a critical event to wake us to the realization, and for that I’m sorry. It’s too costly on all accounts. It doesn’t matter how comfy your cage is either – we’re all enslaved to it. I feel it must end. This model appears to be devouring itself from within as well.
Report Comment
Yes, reading all the posts here, and the toxicity of our environment and the many tales of the sociopaths in power, it is really amazing we lasted this long when you think about it.
I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that we at least had a short run.
Report Comment
can you cite the company and contract?
Report Comment
Story broke in the press today, just google all the elements
Report Comment
Googled:
http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/radnet-or-sadnet-the-epas-failed-radiation-detection-system/
Thanks for the heads up.
Report Comment
So we basically have been using nuclear power and we have no adequate mechanisms to monitor, prevent or clean up in case of problems.
Report Comment
Basically, yes. Only the message regarding it can be “maintained.” Math, science and fact don’t support it.
Report Comment
Yeah, I got water from above too. Rain filled with ?????
????, it’s ok, your government is keeping you safe… shhhhh…. relax.. have a beer and watch some porn… It’ll get better.. trust us.
Sheeple. An understatement.
Report Comment
Heads up Everyone ! Nuclear Power – The abomination of desolation:
LOOK ! – Chernobyl = Wormwood – confirmation, see this site:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=28407.0
Chernobyl is a Ukrainian name for mugwort which is a species of artemesia (known as common wormwood)
I pullin out the stops – Can’t mince words here – got to tell it like it is – read as if your life depended on the following, fail to read at your own peril :
In response to a two part question by his disciples, recorded in Matt 24:3 and Luke 13:14 … Jesus answered the second part of the question giving indication of a (perhaps “the”) primary the sign of the end …
“when you see the abomination that makes desolate (also translated abomination of desolation) standing where is does not belong”…. Also note the writer of Mark included the cryptic – “let the reader understand” -
The near term fulfillment of this prophetic forecast by Christ that applied to his listeners at the time appears to refer to the desolation of Jerusalem and destruction / desolation of the last jewish temple by the Roman General Titus in 70 AD – those that heeded the instructions escaped Jerusalem and were spared. – that generation saw those things.
Now regarding the second part of the question: “what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age – THE most glaring parallel and TOTALLY fitting manifestation of the specified “sign of the end of the age” …
that sign being “when you see the abomination that makes desolate (also translated abomination of desolation) standing where is does not belong”..
… is the plethora of nuclear power plants (so wicked dangerous and destructive in failure mode, power unnecessary – exploit the people – provide power for satanic distractions – destroy earth, mankind and the beauty of creation – is there any greater abomination to God than this development ?? ) “standing where they should not” . .. ie: especially seismically active fault zones.
The generation that is witness to the construction of the ultimate end time “abomination(s) of desolation” “where they should not be” will be the last generation before the second coming.
Abomination = nuke plants – location were they should not be = flimsy fault zones.
For the folks that don’t believe the Bible and that Christ is God in the flesh, the day rapidly approaches when you will. Repent and Prepare to meet the LORD – get ready – time is flying. Go ahead a flame me but – wait see how things play out here first – fair enough ? I have spent over 40 years in free and open inquiry into these matters – so I have a responsibility to share what appears to becoming manifest. Recent developments on earth would make it prudent to investigate all options. Set aside your pre-conceived notions and investigate with an open mind. Ask for understanding – God esteems the humble and receptive.
The fool says in his heart “there is no God” Psalm 14:1, 53:1
Prov. 12:15
anybody read these posts ? anyone care ? very small percentage of people focused on this – the most important development in the history of mankind .. this venue has a tiny audience – perhaps the reader has the solutions to spread the word? Do It !
Find out what “Wormwood” is in Revelation – those that ignore or fail to understand are on their own – can’t say I didn’t warn you.
Report Comment
what a load of garbage you talk.what are you a prophet or something? get a life you sad git.you look stupid
Report Comment
Religious pathology at work..
Report Comment
1111, Thanks for caring and trying to help your fellow man as you see fit, whether they are receptive or not.
I’m going to start advising everyone I know on Facebook to prepare and take supplements, if they aren’t already. So far, no one seems too worried about Fukushima–not even in Japan.??
It remains the worst nuclear disaster ever with
no let up!
Report Comment
i will give you a supplement to take for all you wierdos.arsenic.maybe then can we watch fukushima and see what develops.im fed up with all this end of world garbage,go smoke another joint you junkie gits
Report Comment
Send me your address and I’ll send my “used dog food supplements for trolls”.
A special blend of trollie aroma, only sick ass trolls could enjoy!
Report Comment
I think it is standard operating procedure not to feed the trolls.
Report Comment
Blind them with bullshit.
Report Comment
Ample supplies around here I think.
Report Comment
this implies you could have more fun elsewhere?
Report Comment
We can hope.
Report Comment
Excuse me, but have you ever heard of freedom of religion???? What a bunch of reactionaries!
ppftttttt…..
Report Comment
More evidence to support my claims that within a short amount of time the site will be beyond human intervention.
Report Comment
You mean this website? It’s getting there, isn’t it?
Report Comment
Physicist,
You know I think I just might know who you are (and I mean personally). Anyway don’t bad mouth the site, just read the articles because this is one of the few sources available. I’m an ex nuke (retired) and these folk are entitled to their opinions.
But allow me to ask you this. I spent my whole career running from these elements (they call it containment for a reason) and they were never meant to be introduced to the environment (quantity be damned, and you should know this if you are what your moniker suggests, so why shouldn’t everyone be a bit “on edge”?
Oh and thanks, you yanked me out of my shell… this is the first time in 20 years I’ve bothered to write anything on the interschmet!
Peace.
Report Comment
Mr Bonz:
I like your response. If you would, please
make some additional comments.
What is your view
of matters in Fukushima?
Many of us are trying hard to piece together information and facts in a highly complex field.
I would appreciate your input.
Thank you in advance.
Cassie
Report Comment
And PS yes we have a right to be on edge, and everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks for saying that.
Report Comment
Cassie,
Bonz is fine dear. Thank you for replying. This is all rather new to me (just the commenting thing that is). For a while now I have been wondering if I could offer something. I will try to piece together my thoughts. As someone from the trade itself (as I mentioned) I will just say this for now. This is not good, worst case scenario as they say. Biggest fear, water table as some have mentioned here over the past months. Am waiting to hear what Mr. Gunderson has to say. Wish I had his calm demeanor. have you ever watched him with the sound off? A picture says a thousand words.
Report Comment
Bonz:
People with your expertise and knowledge are needed now.
We have a situation with alarming possibilities, but there is a news black out, and the world governments seem to be sitting on their hands.
The people we pay to guide us and give us trusted information are totally silent.
I would appreciate any comments you could put together. When you say worse case scenario, can you say more? And is there a best case scenario?
And given your knowledge level are you taking any precautions and or preventions in terms of supplements, etc.
I also want to thank you and everyone else on this site who have been trying hard to be of service, and to do the right thing. If there is such a thing as karma, it will come back to you.
Cassie
Report Comment
Bonz, Do you have the expertise to address the impact of fuel melt exiting the containment (including the secondary basemat)and entering subsoil ? If so please enlighten as to the outcome scenario since this seems to be the greatest unknown relative to this reactor 1 2 3 4 meltdown event. Thanks
Report Comment
I only have what I have been trained in my friend. The best comment ever on here was “we are in uncharted territory”. None of this has ever happened on this scale so I am most hesitant to make predictions or assumptions. In other words it is beyond my knowledge even as an “operator”. I am sorry for this hesitance but honestly what can we use as an example? I do wish the Chernobyl references and comparisons would stop though, this is. in Arnold’s words “Chernobyl on steroids”
As I mentioned earlier to Cassie I will try to piece my thought s together. It may take a while as I have a very active mind and find it difficult to type quick enough LOL!!!
Report Comment
1111 – google “corium concrete” and you’ll get a trove of stuff on the many simulations and tests that have been done on this topic.
That’s where we are, I believe – tons of molten corium lava held up (we hope) by the bottom of the concrete containment vessel, with water boiling on top of it. Uncharted territory indeed. Is there hydrogen presently being generated? Probably, at least by radiolysis if not with water-corium interactions. Will the hydrogen explode? Let’s hope not, and it apparently hasn’t since the early days. Will the corium burn through the concrete, into earth? Again, let’s hope it hasn’t, and won’t.
Best case: no fissioning, gradual cooling over a few years.
Worst case: corium lava separates into increasingly fissile layers, eventually running away. Is this possible? I have no idea, but I bet the nuke engineers are simulating it.
Report Comment
How would you know me, Bonz, unless you are privy to the inner workings of the site? Namely, do you have access to my email address?
As they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. I follow this site because it is by far the best aggregation of information about Fukushima, and we get less and less information from the media all the time, who seem to think it’s all over now.
Should everyone be on edge? You bet. We don’t want Cs-137, Sr-90, and a number of other isotopes anywhere near our food chain. It’s criminal that the monitoring is not being ramped up by the EPA, DOE, or HS in the US, given the potential for a catastrophic release in the near future, should the molten corium lava break out some how. (Explosion, burn-through, …?) But so far, in the US, it isn’t worrisome quite yet. It really isn’t.
What is most heartbreaking is the plight of the Japanese. They are being systematically lied to, and asked (without it being asked directly, that would be un-Japanese) to bear an incredible future burden for the sake of the survival of their homeland. With the coming change in weather, if a catastrophic release does occur, the situation will become even more dire. The utter incompetence of Tepco and the Japanese government has been shocking. A large international aid should have been there from the first week. Local radiation monitoring, robotics, and a lot of other technical help seems to have been very slow in coming. I realize the entire country has been reeling from the effects of the earthquake, but this situation has such a huge potential and actual downside it is hard to understand why they have not taken it more seriously from day one.
But the level of absurd and truly irrational paranoia in the comments at this site, which quite often have absolutely nothing to do with the main news article, is incredible. There is a spectrum of regular commenters, to be sure, but there is a decided lack of commentary from the educated end of the spectrum, and a strong anti-intellecutal streak among the main ones. And the anti-intellectualism is self-contradictory: on the one hand, the commenters decry the lack of competence of the engineers and scientists involved, but then when one of the more knowledgeable people does make rational points they are called shills of the nuclear industry, or worse. It would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.
At the extreme end of the spectrum of commenters are the folks who think that this whole situation was deliberate, or at least is being helped along by some mysterious cabal of government and industry. But I think the folks who see this for the incompetence it truly represents are closer to the mark. As one person put it on another site, the disaster was baked into the design of the Mark I containment system over 40 years ago. It was just a matter of time, and a matter of time for any of the other Mark I’s in the world to go bad if it loses external power.
But no one wanted this. No one caused the earthquake. Tepco bears a great responsibility for continuing to operate these plants after it knew that the design was flawed – that is evil, and a perfect example of why certain critical industries need to be publicly held and tightly regulated, and not driven by profit. I think we can all agree that we need to begin the long process of decommissioning all Mark I’s in the world. (And there are also still many, many Chernobyl-style carbon moderated reactors in operation in eastern countries…even scarier.) And the complicity of the governments of Japan and the west and the corporate interests here are all very real – no question they want to control the story line.
Okay, go ahead folks, take me apart into little pieces and put my electronic head on an electronic pike at the electronic gate to your little electronic village…
Report Comment
Dr. Physicist:
I for one do not intend to take you apart. I think another poster made some thoughtful comments for your consideration and there is no need to repeat them.
As a female and a mother, I am not interested in the male posturing and ego struggles that I have witnessed here.
I am interested in the truth. I am interested in survival of myself and my child, for all the children on the planet. This is a matter perhaps of life and death.
I implore all of you with expertise, knowledge and experience pertinent to the humanitarian crisis at hand, to put aside your personal issues and help us. Please give us the information we need to make the best possible decisions.
I understand completely the need for intellectual debate and academic discourse. But we do not want to be lied to, we do not want infighting and squabbles.
We have been lied to for so many years we are understandably skeptical of trolls and government shills. If you are one of these, you will have some karma to deal with down the road. If you are on the side of good, then any comments have been unfair.
We need your help. Please give it to us.
Cassie
Report Comment
Fair enough.
Was just guessing on the tag as I know a few physicists, and most are just arrogant (no judgment on you of course) enough to use that tag. Really didn’t mean to start anything on that one. If you were who I thought you were, you would have recognized my tag anyway.
I liked Cassie’s response back. You go girl.
Report Comment
I like your viewpoint and agree with many of your observations. It seems the mix of energies and thoughts here is a potent one. You have lots to say and I hope you chose to keep sharing. I hope no one puts efforts into attacking you or anyone here. Right now, it would only serve to be most unproductive and demoralizing.
Report Comment
Intervene to do what exactly? Fix a contaminated and collapsed system?
All they have come up with so far is erecting a circus tent over the top. Now, thats a plan of hope, everyone can believe in.
Report Comment
It was designed by the lowest bidder.
Report Comment
Four of the Six units have been out of control since the earthquake/tsunami, I’m afraid. I don’t believe TEPCO has ever had a handle on what’s happing at Fukushima Daiichi. Besides, it doesn’t really matter what you do; once you loose cooling, it’s over with at that point. All that one can do now is try to mitigate the radioactive releases and try to prevent it from getting into the greater environment. There is no way to cool or cleanup a mass of molten nuclear fuel. It will remain right where it is forever.
Report Comment
Hello Bonz, (Your not Dr. McCoy also are you ? – probably not – different spelling- Bones ) Chernobyl was addressed with an all-out effort reflecting upon the urgency of the event.
This “Chernobyl on steroids thing” here appears to be getting approached in a much more casual manner. Given the lack of any clear end game or interim containment plan to stop this thing, and the “venturing into the unknown, ” as the response to “the question were are we going?” tends to raise the question why should be there fiddling around with human sacrifice – at some point won’t the workers just say – I’m outa here ! My sacrifice doesn’t assure a fix so …. what is the use !!!
Has anything effective been accomplished in two months of biorobot sacrifice?? (other than media clips to portray the company’s noble efforts)
Can’t blame people for looking for the silver bullet fix here. Be nice if it would come along quick.
Report Comment
No nothing accomplished, what could they do? I feel for the workers because I would have run long ago and left the country for that matter. I believe there in japan this would be “frowned upon”. However since they are down to “contractors” this appears to be the case none the less. That would be bad because that means the “expertise” also left.
I really don’t know what to say. I wrote my thoughts down but it’s very depressing.
Report Comment
Bonz I too have heard that the top managers left right away, leaving just the worker bees. That might explain the incompetence. Or perhaps there was not much they could do to begin with.
However some on this site say there were things they could have done in terms of burying the site in concrete, or building trenches underneath.
Can you share some of your thoughts, or is it too depressing to do so?
Cassie
Report Comment
Enjoy the circus, foks.
Report Comment
In the center arena ..the parade of clowns..
Report Comment
Of much interest to my friend the Jester Queen……LOL
Report Comment
I vote for Cassie,…to be our ‘diplomat of diplomacy!
Report Comment
Does the job come with medical benefits?
Might need it soon.
Report Comment
Second that!
Report Comment
bonz, need you and physicist to look at my crazy idea just posted to the new thread “Fukushima may release more radiation than Chernobyl: TEPCO”
Report Comment
Noah,
I have been trying to find where you wrote about protecting your garden soil with charcoal and other things. Could you repost it, please.
Wish we could also find what people write, by their names.
Thank You
Report Comment
Hey all, I was thinking of offering the forums on my website for discussions, but I have bandwidth limits and don’t really have the budget to increase the limits right now.
Then I thought to look on Google groups and I found a group there that appears to have little or no activity but the topic is fitting (nuclear survival).
https://groups.google.com/group/nuclear-survival
I very much appreciate this site, but it’s hard to have conversations in the comments section. It looks like the group was just started March 14th and I joined a couple of days ago. fwiw.
Report Comment
Sorry, Physicist, but:
The facts of this obvious conspiracy to stop the radiation plume monitoring, to lie and obfuscate and control media, the EPA radiation monitors
shutting down at just the convenient moment…paranoia, mr. physicist?
Anybody in media talking about the Aircraft Carrier and its crew
sailing through the plume, and the whirlybirds coming back hotter
than expected?
Yes there is Intentional Evil manipulation, to eventually deny US
citizens, governed by TV and martial law, any recourse to health
care, adequate or untainted food, true information about the
health crisis now beginning.
So, don’t flatter yourself about just how “Intellectual” you are.
There are mensa members who aren’t invited to the next level
of social IQ circle, because they are so damn of proud of their
Dee-Gree while conducting themselves as incoherent fools.
Spiritually-informed people are not “anti-intellectual”, Mr. physicist.
All of y’all who don’t know about Wormwood, well you got some
very nutritious Reading to do.
This World is Toast, don’t cling to it.
Jesus Christ (Yahshua) Died for your Sins. Come and Learn about Him, and why you Do have a Breaking Heart for humankind…
It is not stupid nor anti-intellectual for you to See the EVIL and Know
that is and was Wrong, and that there IS some Spiritual REALITY.
Thank You.
Report Comment
More contaminated in Reactor #1 also..4.2 meters. It must be the “Sorcerer’s Apprentice.”
No.1 reactor has 4.2 meters of contaminated water
Friday, May 20, 2011 19:46 +0900 (JST)
Workers have confirmed that more than 4 meters of highly radioactive water has flooded the basement of one of the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
The plant’s operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, sent workers inside the No.1 reactor on Friday as part of preparations to install a cooling system to stabilize the reactor core.http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20_34.html
Report Comment
“Workers have confirmed that more than 4 meters of highly radioactive water has flooded the basement of one of the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.”
Ok, learning. I believe the statement is technically true. But there is no mention of the number of the reactor in that sentence. Why? If it is #5 or #6, this is the worst case scenario.
Report Comment
The devil is in those details. You’re right. If it wasn’t for the headline saying Reactor #1, who would know? We would flip a coin perhaps or draw straws. TEPCO and NHK have a real problem with communication that transcends language.
Report Comment