Weather Channel Hurricane Specialist: “All hell is breaking loose” — “Super-mega-combo freak of a storm slamming into most populated part of country” — Sandy already one of biggest on record (PHOTO)

Published: October 28th, 2012 at 1:34 am ET
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Title: Sandy on Track – But Is the Message Getting Out?
Source: Bryan Norcross, Hurricane Specialist at The Weather Channel
Date: Oct 28, 2012

Hurricane Sandy (Source: NBC)

Sandy the super-unusual, combo hurricane/nor’easter on the unheard-of track is coming together as forecast.

[...] the focus on that energy is going to be on North Jersey, New York Harbor, and the south shore of Long Island. The National Weather Service in New York is predicting waves 10 to 20 feet high on the south-facing beaches. Holy crap!

Did I also mention that’s on top of the storm surge, which is forecast to raise the ocean level 4 to 8 feet above normal? And did I also mention that there’s a full moon and the storm’s peak is expected to be around high tide? Holy triple whammy!

National Hurricane Center Forecast, 11p ET, Oct. 27, 2012

[...] the National Weather Service decided NOT to issue a Hurricane Watch for the Northeast coastline… are you ready for this… because it would be confusing to switch from that to a Coastal Flood Watch and a High Wind Watch after the storm – which will come ashore with hurricane-force winds – morphs into another kind of storm according to the meteorology dictionary. [...]

I grant that a technical reading of the “rules” says that you can’t put up a Hurricane Watch and a Coastal Flood Watch and a High Wind Watch at the same time. But I’m betting the rules didn’t envision a super-mega-combo freak of a storm slamming into the most populated part of the country. When all hell is breaking loose, sometimes you’ve got to break a few rules to do the right thing. [...]

The Oyster Creek nuclear power plant near Tom’s River, NJ appears to be at greatest risk for storm surge, as it’s located near the shoreline where the eye of the hurricane is expected to make landfall.

View map of Oyster Creek here

Published: October 28th, 2012 at 1:34 am ET
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53 comments to Weather Channel Hurricane Specialist: “All hell is breaking loose” — “Super-mega-combo freak of a storm slamming into most populated part of country” — Sandy already one of biggest on record (PHOTO)

  • mick

    Just a shot over the bow to all the people who know they shouldn't live in a major city when the SHTF.

    Enjoy, and imagine this multiplied by 100 when the real one hits, whatever form it takes.


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  • arclight arclight

    Nuclear Fallout – Map of U.S. Nuclear Power Plants dispertion projections – Super storm in USA

    Why U.S. nuclear power plants are vulnerable to severe accident with nuclear fallout

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/27/nuclear-fallout-map-of-u-s-nuclear-power-plants-dispertion-projections-super-storm-in-usa/


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  • rotnpumpkin rotnpumpkin

    I live just outside of Philadelphia. Not looking forward to this…


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  • Maggie123

    Where does this outrageous condescending patronizing notion that translates to "we'd best not alarm the children" come from!!

    "[...] the National Weather Service decided NOT to issue a Hurricane Watch for the Northeast coastline… are you ready for this… because it would be confusing to switch from that to a Coastal Flood Watch and a High Wind Watch after the storm – which will come ashore with hurricane-force winds – morphs into another kind of storm according to the meteorology dictionary. [...]"

    While elitist authoritative types have been busy planning "on our behalf", they may not have noticed the rapidly developing state of wakefulness in the general population! Provide INFORMATION – we'll deal with it!

    Thank goodness for Bryan Norcross's attitude! (I wonder if we can borrow him for other issues between weather events!)


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Maggie123, i think that was the first rant from you i've ever read. My first take is that issuing a Hurricane Watch obligates governmental agencies into certain actions. While many mandatory evacuations have already been issued, telling people to move who are in certain areas, a Hurricane Watch might obligate wider evacuations? Flooding is expected, of course, but, they are saying slow flooding from surges as opposed to fast flooding from high winds. Go figure. I agree, just tell people. There has become such a large disconnect from the governmental response agencies and the public. The jargon is for the agencies and their policies, not for the public to consume and act upon. The Do Gooders have become compartmentalized and, as you said it, "condescending patronizing". As the populations grow, the more the agencies will feel compelled to control and parent, as it were. They begin to over-trust in their own expertise and forget that informing and empowering the public is the best course. It is certainly not the warmth and reassurance i think people need when facing such crisis' as the storm heading their way. And, bad information, or a lack of good, clear, actionable information can easily lead to another Katrina where folks are confused about the severity of an approaching storm, the flooding and safety issues, and the safe routes to shelter or away from harm.


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    • Maggie123

      VicFromOregon – re my rant of the 28th :) I've something of a 'hair-trigger' on issues of information withholding, although perhaps lept hastily on the particular 'event' of NWS decision on how to frame Sandy's threat category. :)

      IMO withholding of information is one key way populations are dis-empowered and are encouraged to dis-believe in their inherent intelligence. On the other hand, I'm often content to let experts sort out information that I've no training to easily follow, and want them to give me a clear summary! By the time the storm switched from hurricane to nor'easter I could see that categorizing it was muddly but that was a few days later! That was the basis for my rant but am not sure "lack of capacity" was behind their decision.

      I withdraw my rant but firmly stick to the principle that, in general, it's better to provide moderately complex info and field follow-up questions than to decide (presume) a listener might lack capacity to understand. It's in the follow-up questions that learning happens. I realize it's late to reply but wanted to touch base on your comment! :)


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  • Maggie123

    As I read Bryan's blog – there's still a chance the multi-mix storm may not develop. But all factors that can create it remain in place. Those of you in affected regions – do take all care – we wait and watch with you.


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  • razzz razzz

    As far as hurricanes go, this is going to turn out to be a dud.


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  • harengus_acidophilus

    "Super-mega-combo freak …"

    hyper-fear-giga-surprise-doublebind.

    I don't like this kind of speech.

    h.


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  • andagi andagi

    Dear Folks,
    To any in Sandy's path, take good care and stay safe.
    Aloha.


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  • markww markww

    HAARP ENDANGERING ALL ON THE EAST COAST READ THIS BULLETIN

    Bulletin > HAARP OVER NYC DANGER TO ALL HIGHEST EVER READINGS http://t.co/gq6XRfC

    MARKWW


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    • richard richard

      Two things; haarp is irrelevant to this thread & please stop using caps, especially for evangelistic dogma.


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      • CBuck CBuck

        I'm thinking Mark see's a relevance between Haarp and this storm that's going to hit the East Coast, that is why he posted it.
        I'm not sure what gives anyone the right to tell another poster to stop posting just because they don't agree with it and don't like the font.


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        • richard richard

          Thanks cbuck and others. Storms have been happening long before any fantasy haarp thingy was around. In fact, markw even highlighted the 1938 storm that was even bigger then today.

          That's why haarp is as irrelevant to any storm. Not to be taken seriously.


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          • CBuck CBuck

            That's YOUR opinion and perfectly fine to post it. Along that same note, Mark has a right to post his own opinions as well.
            I'm not defending Haarp, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on it yet.
            I'm defending a persons right to post their opinions/views without being criticized and told to stop.
            We don't need a nanny state here.


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            • richard richard

              It's actually not just my opinion, it's a fact. But hey, let's not worry ourselves about truth and reality around here, this is only enenews. If you want real truth, go to prison planet.


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              • CBuck CBuck

                I'm not talking about the storms being an opinion, we all know that throughout history there have been severe storms. Your opinion is your statements on Haarp…it is YOUR opinion, and nobody is hassling you for stating your opinion on that, but you can't seem to afford others the same luxury.
                Have a nice day richard, if you need coffee, I have a full pot here. ;)


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Oh, I don't mind the caps as I have low vision but I'm a rather grey individual. To each their own. No worries markww and all concerned this is a small issue in the scheme of things. IMHO


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      love ya markww, but I can't disagree with richard. Let's do our best to keep things under control…


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      markww, you are one of the most interesting bloggers here, thanks for your work.


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      • blackbeer blackbeer

        I'm not sure that HAARP is being deployed to alter the effects of this storm or not but the possibility does exist. I will testify to the fact that the US has used weather manipulation in the past to take advantage of nature in a strategic manner. When I was stationed in Southeast Asia back in 68 and 69 I had a security clearance and decoded messages pertaining to steering the monsoon activity to our advantage. You may recall that in 1973, if memory serves me right, the UN passed a resolution to ban the use of weather manipulation in theaters of war. There is no doubt in my mind why they did that. I invite you Richard to check this site out and scroll down the page to 10/27/2012 and see what you think. I would also invite you to use some of the links as a beginning to your research into the possible uses of HAARP technology. It is, if nothing else, interesting to contimplate.

        Tom
        PS: for got the link:http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/


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    • Jebus Jebus

      i see an eye, usually taken for granted
      i see two eye's, one out of focus
      i see the lie, suppressed and ranted
      i see a tie, coerced to a bonus
      i see the pie, sliced and slanted
      i see a try, the magic is smokeless
      i see the sky, pushed and replanted
      i see and sigh, nature in harness
      i see it's sly, keeping masses enchanted


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  • dosdos dosdos

    From NOAA/NWS, Public Advisory 24

    "MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 75 MPH…120 KM/H…WITH HIGHER
    GUSTS. WHILE LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT
    COUPLE OF DAYS…"

    This is a minimal Cat 1, barely qualifying as a hurricane. Max winds are scheduled to reach only 80 MPH. Isaac was stronger than this. Don't let the diameter of the storm fool you. It's not scheduled to go far north enough to qualify as a "Nor'easter", and the front is stalled because of the storm.

    The Weather Channel is too sensationalist for my taste. Mega-storm? You want mega-storm, look at Katrina, Rita, Gilbert, or the other Cat 5 storms in US history.


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    • patb2009

      this is a big storm spatially. it's 400 miles across, Katrina was 450. so it will affect a large area.

      Now, it's not cat 3, it's cat 1, so, that's a good thing, it will probably not destroy major structures, like radio towers, cell towers, fire stations, hospitals, etc.

      here's the bad stuff.

      1) it's a big storm, so it's going to blow at a big chunk of the coast, say DELMARVA Peninsula to
      Connecticut/long island. so utility crews (Phone, Power, Cable) will be maxed out trying to fix).

      2) it's going to be a long blow, 24-48 hours. so unlike a typical hurricane which passes through in 6-8 hours, it's going to be a long endurance contest, so bad roofs, weak windows, unsecured doors, will all be tested and many will fail. In europe they had Hurricane Lothar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Lothar

      3) It's got a lot of rain and storm surge, so, coastal areas may take a lot of damage. flooding of manhattan may cause a few billion in damage plus economic losses.

      4) This is the big one, the arctic front behind this may cause a regional ice storm.. stretching from NJ to Mass. Big ice storms threaten the grid and transit. if we lose the grid, power, it may take 10 days to fix things. Montreal had a big regional ice storm, really screwed them. Same with maine, in the 90's when the guard had to chopper in new towers, as the whole system went down.

      Well, lets see what happens, but, yeah, every ten miles inland helps a lot.


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  • CBuck CBuck

    This does not ease my worry one single bit. Let's remember this plant is 42 years old now.

    http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2012/10/nj_nuclear_plants_brace_for_on.html


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  • arclight arclight

    Greenpeace: US tried to cover-up effects of BP’s Gulf oil spill _Real cost for BP 50 billion Dollars?
    After the decomposed carcass was discovered, U.S. officials gave strict instructions to the crew aboard the vessels that no information or photographs were to be released. NOAA did later issue a press release about the dead whale, though it was soon edited in such a way that it appeared to minimize the oil’s effect on whales.

    “We believe a full throated debate over the settlement amount needs to happen before any deal is done,” said John Kostyack, a vice president at the National Wildlife Federation, who estimates BP’s potential liability at more than $50 billion.

    Oct 26, 2012

    Yulia Monakhova

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/28/greenpeace-us-tried-to-cover-up-effects-of-bps-gulf-oil-spill-_real-cost-for-bp-50-billion-dollars/


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  • gladys a milyon gladys a milyon

    Richard has been in almost every storm thread attempting to discredit HAARP. Go ahead look for yourself.


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      gladys a milyon, interesting, thanks.


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    • richard richard

      I haven't been worming every thread trying to discredit haarp. I've made two comments of late.

      The haarp and chemtrails comments by others keep slipping in, and I ignore most of them. But when they are raised within the context of a real thread then it's too much. In the off-topic thread, well, that's the place for haarp/chemtrails.

      Simply, they are hair-brain schemes, not unlike religion. Full of dogma and other obfuscations.

      They don't belong on a fact based site such as enenews. Go over the prison planet and the other dead heads there if you want to talk that garbage. It discredits this site to cover the crap.

      Haarp and chemtrails are an urban myth. I'm willing to put up any money you like on that one. Move away from the distractions.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        agreed richard. And my feelings about these posts have nothing to do with take on these issues. We all have our personal interests (politics being but one of mine) and could conceivably bend any topic towards them. I find such strategy disingenuous, potentially chaotic and dismissive of this site's administrators. We're afforded much leeway in where we go on this site. Such freedom should neither be tolerated or interpreted as right to abuse this venue…


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  • kalidances

    Markww what new thing has happened? Why are you screaming? Everyone appreciates the possibility of global scalar war through HAARP but right now I think most are attempting to get their loved ones locked down and safe. After this passes the government is in deep doo doo.

    There are no jobs(or money) with which to rebuild this country. The bankers, CEO's and politicians created laws to scam(or subdue) the citizens and then took every penny and ran. There are multiple economy-destroying environmental catastrophes and everyone is denying responsibility. These elections are going to go very badly-if they happen at all. This might be the first time in history with radically postponed elections. We'll see…


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Other civilizations have collapsed due to a combination of over extended empires and natural disasters.

    The Inca society collapsed from a combination of two massive earthquakes which knocked out their extensive irrigation system.

    A drought that lasted many years knocked out the Mayans.

    a gradual corruption and takeover of Rome by dictators doomed the Roman empire, which operated much like the US today. The Romans extended their empire through a massive military conquest and takeover strategy.

    The military supported the economic looting and takeover of 'territories', which all became part of the Roman economic empire once conquered.

    The US is planning on INCREASING the military budget, in a time when we should be dismantling the entire military system. This is a symptom of a military industrial complex dis-ease and takeover of the political system. Underneath, what is driving this growth is a massive fear of 'terrorists', which is also growing.

    The nice thing about terrorists, is that a war can be waged on them which NEVER ends. Terrorists are global in nature, so it requires a constantly increasing empire to 'control' them.


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    • markww markww

      Some people have low Vision in here is why I posted in Caps Markww


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      • richard richard

        That's no excuse. You do caps cos you want attention. Now you're making stuff up, a bit like haarp.

        If people have bad vision they can adjust their screen. What a joke.


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        • CBuck CBuck

          I think it's because he is passionate and wants to get the word out with some emphasis, we all have our own ways of doing so. Is it really that big a deal richard?


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        • papacares papacares

          There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it to effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
          FORUM SLIDING'If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            thanks for putting this up papacares. I didn't want to add to the acrimony by pointing out that this – is – going on here on this site. I've noticed several completely off-topic posts being flagrantly shoved into the comment area. I've even spotted posters shoving OT material right at the head of the comment area! It's no different than discussing baseball scores at a funeral. It is outrageous.

            I can understand people going OT in response to other posts; that is forgivable. But it's a sign of contempt when people act as though they've some personal pass on this site and post material that has nothing to do with the article. But as you've done such an excellent job of highlighting this 'dis-info' technique, I think it merits serious analysis by all who participate on this site. We all need to think on how we directly and inadvertently become participants in this unproductive behavior. I will emphasize the inadvertent participation, as we're all guilty of this breach of protocol.

            Brilliant post papacares and thanks for jump'n in…


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            • blackbeer blackbeer

              This is way beyond my little pea brain to deal with. I am here and have been from the beginning because it is a good place to start my day of research on the topics discussed here and almost nowhere else. I am here also, because of the mutual respect that most all of us have for each other. I am totally not up on the pitfalls of blog usage. I commented on this thread because I was supprised at Richards' seeming attack on Mark for what Mark feels relevent to the subject at hand. That's what we do here simply because there is a lack of "facts" on most of the subjects we discuss. There are ways to disagree with ones perspective and still be respectful of the party one disagrees with. I would guess, seeing as though we are only human, that we could make this an uncomfortable place to be but I still believe we are a cut above on that vane. I have reason to believe that we have the technology to manipulate weather or any other electromagnetic natural event due to my interest in how it works. I also realize that most of the science that happens in this country happens under the umbrella of the DOD and that tends to make me a little shall we say unsettled. There is little that catches me off guard now a days except the behavior of the species. I hope that we can remain a cut above simply because I really like most everyone here and I would hate to have to do all the research on my own……

              Tom


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                I would submit blackbeer, you're far from being a "pea brain". Regardless of our individual interests or suspicions, richard and papacares are warning against the possible degradation of that which we all value: enenews and the internet itself. While not inferring bad intentions on any one individual's intent, we do have to be careful that we honor the intent of this site's administration. So as to avoid these endless tangential discussions, admin did go so far as to offer two forums for nuclear related discussions/posts (unrelated to any particular article) and also added a completely off topic discussion forum. The off topic was intended as means for those who desired discussions that did not necessarily speak to nuclear power technologies or issues. If really doesn't get better than this. Of course, the moment's enthusiasm will always get the best of any of us. Yet, should we want to avoid the 'sliding-forum', we should all do our best to stay on topic and feel free to politely nudge those who refuse such adherence to posting protocol.

                Now I'll go back on the side and await the end of the world…

                BTW, blackbeer, I recall many a good exchange with you, over the last year. I'd deem you far from being a babe in the woods…


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  • markww markww

    HURRICANE SANDY

    WIND MAP

    MONDAY
    TUESDAY
    WEDNESDAY
    AND MORE DAYS

    http://www.crownweather.com/tropgraphics/al18wind.gif


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  • kalidances

    Please dear Goddess can you FOCUS?!

    ASSUMPTION PARISH HELP THEM!!!!
    FUKUSHIMA EVACUATION-BEGIN IT!!!!!!!!
    HURRY!!!


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