Published: July 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm ET
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Title: Arnold Gundersen with the latest on Fukushima: its effects on Japan, and the global risks posed by the No. 4 reactor
Source: If You Love This Planet Radio
Author: Dr. Helen Caldicott
Date: July 27, 2012
This week, Dr. Caldicott has a new conversation with nuclear engineer Arnold Gundersen about the ongoing nuclear disaster at the Fukushima plant and its effects on Japan and the rest of the world. [...]
At ~13:15 in
Arnold Gundersen, Nuclear Engineer: So I think they get to the point where they throw some concrete down on the top of it and come back in 300 years… This is not something I can figure out how one would clean up… 300, 400, 500 years.
Published: July 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm ET
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I have the BORAX explosion Tests at about the three minute mark the tester says the reactor core exploded. The tests were using different mixtures ad the last test was just like the fukushima explosion at the Number three unit.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0S00M3oZhZQdGkAnPT7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=The+BORAX+explosion&vid=AABED708D822DCD84209AABED708D822DCD84209&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4829863171784813%26id%3D78de8b2f00518dda39c45026a6402237%26bid%3DCULY3CLYCNe%252bqg%26bn%3DLargeThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dyUhVGH-WHKk&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyUhVGH-WHKk&tit=Borax+%5BPart+2%5D+-+Safety+experiment+on+a+boiling+water+reactor&c=0&sigr=11avoldlh&
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Concrete saturation bombings should have started 15 months ago.
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Until it rivaled Mt Fuji in size.
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If they use concrete they have to ball up the whole plant top and bottom and under the plant to seal the cores up and use the eight elements I have posted before as to the concrete mixture, to keep it cool and some what controlled.
Mark
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They can't get to the underside, so all concrete would do is insure that the reactor remains would pollute the water table for centuries with all the released radionuclides.
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Good point. Perhaps when the concrete hill becomes sufficient, slant drilling could be used to pump concrete below the reactors?
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On second thought, that's a bad idea. First mention of slant drilling, BP would be called in and flood it with COREXIT.
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Adding more weight on top of crumbling reactors..on a geologically fragile area that is changing ..due to both natural and unnatural changes do to the presence of corium.
Throw concrete.. come back 300-500 years later.
I don't belive this is feasible at all
How casually ..they speak of the future..that only generations from now will live to see.
If they live to see it.
Assumpitive isn't it.
Assumptive..considering..with the next big earthquake..all bets are off.
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Agreed Heart.
"Unfixable" is the word of the 3rd millenium.
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This is the first wave of propaganda before full abandonment of Fukushima, then all the other plants leaking that they can't fix.
The only thing we have to look forward to is our governments lying to the masses about what is going to happen, and massive crowd control (population subjugation) as we all start to die.
The medical infrastructure is crumbling, as well as the global economies. None of these three issues can be fixed, as long as the world is run by a corrupt banking criminal monopoly. They control the armies, and they won't give up their power voluntarily, so they have decided to commit global suicide.
Hug your kids, laugh when you can, and make peace with yourself.
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Assumptive? I would call it presumptuous. And then I would add preposterous.
And then I would reach for heinous, and add a touch of rhinoceros.
And voila: you have a nuclear engineer!
Throw them all in the failed torus!!! Perhaps spare Arnie … he's lost some of his shit-eating grin persona.
I think he has been humbled by this disaster, as have we all, before being killed by it!
God save the Queen.
Just kidding about throwing them all in the torus … we might need a few around to let us know how soon we're all gonna die!
peace …
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So, the 40 years (it could take) to decommission Fukuiichi is a very low estimate…
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Ned sez… "we might need a few around to let us know how soon we're all gonna die!"
SP: Oh we will know all right and it won't be from press interviews in Tokyo or Los Angeles. Just check the passenger lists on the flights to Rio or Sydney. Watch and see where the super rich go in their mega yachts. Bill Gates will change his allegiance to nuclear power overnight if fallout equivalent to 100 Chernobyls heads swiftly across the ocean. That would be a gamechanger for the human race.
When all hope is lost for the Northern Hemisphere there will be an exodus of the affluent and intelligentsia rivalling the Arab Jews migration to Israel since 1948.
Just as the ancients fled the Northern Ice Age to the south (and returned in warmer times millennia later) many naked apes with similar ambitions will flee from danger. But the fast moving volatile atmosphere may prove much more daunting than climate change. Perhaps this is how the human race will be decimated to slim numbers of mutants…wiped out by GE, Areva, Hitachi, CNNC, and NPCIL. All it takes is one or two more Fukushimas and the world as we know it will be lost forever.
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sickputer, you say….All it takes is one or two more Fukushimas and the world as we know it will be lost forever….
I say…
the world as we knew it has already changed for ever
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Yabbut, sick puter added the word "lost".
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true, i meant to say the world as we knew it is lost forever…i like your yabbut
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*sigh* A lot of men say that to me.
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I agree with you Mungo… The world as "we knew it" is indeed changed. However, "we" are not the sheeple. They are like the carefree radioactive wild boars munching away on hot truffles without a care in the world. Naked apes happily dying faster than before from eating poor choices of radioactive food and liquids.
The one or two mega nuclear disasters to come will kill those naiive humans so much faster they will experience a knowledge breakthrough (shortly before they croak). The people in Japan (40% and growing by my estimate) already have reached this state of awareness.
Less than 1% in America unfortunately have reached this epiphany of seeing the global danger. This does help survival odds for the 1% who face little competition or inflationary prices for the cleaner foodstuffs.
With proper food choices your family may survive Fukushima and live lengthy lifespans IF you are 5,000 miles away. But all bets are off if the plant mushrooms to 100 times current emissions or another megaplex goes bellyup.
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Cleaner foodstuffs? Where? Maybe wine and cheese dated pre-3/11. Even freeze-dried rations need water. Where is there non-rad water?
The numbers for living a 'lengthy lifespan' are diminishing factors. Any good life insurance actuary wouldn't allow anyone at this point to get a decent policy. Unless you went with a cancer- and heart disease exemption.
Five years from now, death rates are going to be horrendous.
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TIS sez… "Cleaner foodstuffs? Where? Maybe wine and cheese dated pre-3/11. Even freeze-dried rations need water. Where is there non-rad water?"
SP: Maybe not "clean" but yes there are cleaner foodstuffs. And yes people do have access to Pre-March 2011 foodstocks. You named two that are freely sold. Others include older stocks of canned foods. Apples from Chile are cleaner… I have dozens right now.
Water can be cleaned with super cheap home survival tools (the deep dirt and gravel filtering system is explained in detail at survival sites.
For the affluent Daddy Warbucks (not me) there is fossil and glacier water.
I refuse to give up hope… Do the best you can with the best you can find.
With my plastic allergies I have avoided many foods and drink for years anyway so I have a headstart.
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Sorry, SP. I got on a roll.
I gave up hope late 3/11. I can only hope you last longer – and healthier – than I do.
I've made my peace with this. But I'm not giving up troll jousting!
And I know you're not one . . .
But that Whoopie character, I don't know . . . :-0
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We have been living in the Fallout Era for some time now. However, as far as 'eras' go this one is still at the very beginning.
Everybody knows that you always get the experts highest estimate for a job, (in this case 500 years), and then you take that times at least a factor of four.
Someone finally said it.
"This is not something I can figure out how one would clean up…"
– A. Gundersen
Quite simply, at this point, it CANNOT be cleaned up.
So WHY would we, as humans, ever consider building more of these Death Machines? WHY are the 'experts' not decommissioning ALL of them as quickly as humanly possible?
When one has a losing hand in poker, they fold it.
…or They can 'risk' losing even more by 'bluffing' on one bad bet.
bluff, bluffing:
To mislead or deceive.
To engage in a false display of strength or confidence.
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They have to cause a "China Syndrome".
1. Bore a deep hole off to the side of the reactor and build a suitable tomb in the bottom of it.
2. Get BP in to bore a slanting hole from the other side of the reactor, so the slanting hole goes under the reactor below the current location of the corium, joining up with the "tomb" borehole.
3. Wait until the corium melts down into the slant hole, then runs down the slant and drops into the tomb.
4. Cap the well.
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Might work if the location of the main corium masses is identified, but the debris may be far more widely dispersed. I think we knew all along that piling on the borax and concrete was going to be the last ditch effort.
In an attempt to save the global nuclear industry Japan nucleocrats will delay such an effort until the time comes when it is raging mad out of control and the island is too hot for any carbon life form workers.
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i think they do know where the corium is… think about it, we have sophisticated satellites that can see a lot,, and we can even analyze the gases from the sun, and even see radiation in space millions of miles away ( i think?)…. no way do they not know, they just dont want to say… mustn't panic the people…
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Yes, I also think with the US military aid they know the location of the big three (or perhaps a fourth?) coriums.
At the same time I remind myself how stupid and careless their defensive mechanisms were for the tsunamis. Not much intelligence put into those preparations.
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Great interview-not to be missed & worth a second listen. Some good comments above, also.
Globally, we have many 'ticking time bomb' 'Fukushimas' waiting to happen. What are the odds that NONE of them (of several hundred)will catastrophically fail? I'd say, very, very low.
We is screwed, blued, and tattooed. And we did it to ourselves. The mischievous gods of mayhem must be getting many a good chuckle out of this one.
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agreed bleep. It was an awesome interview. Like a fine wine, Doctor Caldicott only get better…
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Gundersen vids should be seen by every person on the planet.
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I don't watch Gundersen vids anymore. I have no desire to be soothed by the dulcet tones of the approved opposition.
For an antidote to Fukushima minimization, watch Kevin Blanch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwWvm2kcaI&list=UU9xHDLLjog6uGaNc8TKwX9A&index=1&feature=plcp
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@Thanks for saying this..Bobby1..I try not to watch Gundersen too much.
I resist being spoonfed.
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Chernobyl already needs a new sarcophagus after 26 years, and the concrete there started below the nuclear fuel. At Fukushima and Onagawa and Tokai and Higashidori and other nuclear plants in Japan the radiation will be bleeding into the ocean for a million years. All the lives lost from a nuclear holocaust are an ELE amount. It won't be over in 300 or 500 years. More likely there will be no more life of any kind by then on this planet.
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