Wired.com: Fukushima on the Mississippi? NRC says New Madrid fault “major area of concern” — 15 nuke plants in zone

Published: August 24th, 2011 at 6:21 pm ET
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Pentagon Quake Nightmare: Fukushima on the Mississippi, Wired.com by Noah Shachtman, August 24, 2011:

In May, the federal government simulated an earthquake so massive, it killed 100,000 Midwesterners instantly, and forced more than 7 million people out of their homes. At the time, National Level Exercise 11 went largely unnoticed; the scenario seemed too far-fetched — states like Illinois and Missouri are in the middle of a tectonic plate, not at the edge of one. A major quake happens there once every several generations. [... and] there are so many nuclear power plants in the fault zone [...]

“Electric power would go out, not for days, but for weeks and months in the four state region,” [Paul Stockton, the Defense Department’s senior homeland security official] said. “[...]

Including, potentially, a Fukushima on the Mississippi. 15 nuclear power plants are in the New Madrid seismic zone.

Following the Japan disaster, a task force assembled by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission “recommended sweeping changes to the agency’s regulatory approach to safety issues… [and] order utilities to conduct reviews of seismic safety using the latest research, and, potentially, agree to costly upgrades,” the Wall Street Journal reported last month. “A major area of concern, federal officials say, is the New Madrid seismic zone.” [...]

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68 comments to Wired.com: Fukushima on the Mississippi? NRC says New Madrid fault “major area of concern” — 15 nuke plants in zone

  • Darth

    If this isn’t an automatic “Shut them down NOW level of concern” – then what is?


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    • bmurr bmurr

      I’m with you. I think that all of these sites need to be shut down NOW. I just don’t understand what these people are thinking. It is no longer reasonable to think that extreme events will not occur. Those that have profited from Nuclear Energy must now pay the price to protecting the rest of us form their mistakes. These plants need to be decommissioned, and the waste dealt with.
      People aren’t going to care until it affects them directly, and by then it will be too late. It’s time to realize that most people are just blissfully ignorant.
      If Chalk River Labs, Simi Valley, Chernobyl, TMI, Fukushima, and all the other unmentioned disasters, haven’t taught them yet, they will never learn.


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      What is? “Too late” is what is. Get used to it.


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        • theypoisonus

          I just posted a scathing post to a pro-oil idiot over there.

          I will never , ever , stop watching BP..

          They are #1 on my hit list. :)

          “nowhere to run to baby, nowhere to hide”

          BP is owned by the Queen, she is one of the few allies, since we are a colony of the british crown.. look it up, it is true..
          We are the collateral for the loans they gave us after the revolutionary war, and gain with GB and France after the civil war.

          That is why the govt in now located in a sepearte , non state. It is legally. . .
          The Corporation of the United States.

          WE are the Unites States of America.. an totally different inity.

          It isn’t a pretty picture once you start reading about it. You don’t own your own home, you never will.. even when it is paid for. Look at your deed. It says you are a TENANT..

          I spent months and months researching this, I am not going to go any further. If you want the truth, you will find it.

          Beware of charlitans ( sp ) there is a group of fools that are following some idiot that claims he can make you soverign via a Canadian Indian Group.. they don’t deserve the capitalization I just gave them, it was to make them more visible.

          We are serfs. It is a hard pill to swallow, I cried, called friends that went to law school, and asked, and yes, it is true. Ever wonder why almost all politicians are lawyers? they are part of the club…. like Carlin said before his death.

          What a scam. It broke my heart and my belief in the American Dream. Hence, my cynical tilt. :)

          Google: Is the Us a colony of the Crown

          Or.. try
          IS the United States a colony of Britain

          Or…
          IS the United States a colony of the Queen..

          Be prepared to read, read, and read some more and get a link to a legal dictionary.. U will need it.

          me.


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  • Yeah that Madrid fault just devloped overnight, No forseeing such a thing !


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    • theypoisonus

      @Heart,

      Google this:
      Russia Reports Nuclear Explosions Hit Vast US Military Tunnel Network

      You get alot of hits. one is the eutimes.
      I know nothing about this publication, credibility, etc.
      Here is the linke… pop up warning !
      http://www.eutimes.net/2011/08/russia-reports-nuclear-explosions-hit-vast-us-military-tunnel-network/

      Also there are You Tube vids already..

      Who knows what evil lurks in the heats of man?
      :)


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    • Yeah ! I seen that earlier, those new toy’s they have gops of Federal Funding on (magnectic pulsers) stolen from inventor (never ment to be used in the fashion) they are playing with are blasting the plates ! They want to see the NAVY future U.S. maps of water covering much of the U.S. come to reality in this lifetime !

      Did they ever bring the all the Navy ships back to ports into the Gulf after they moved them out last year during the GOM disater ?


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      • theypoisonus

        You mention ‘stolen from inventor’.

        I was reading something today, and they mention Marconi and the telephone. I have read reams of Tesla info.

        When Marconi ‘invented’ the telephone, Tesla’s statement was. sorta quote.
        Yes, he stole 4 pattents from me to do that.

        Tesla never cared about money. He was such a genius ( savant ) that he just liked inventing things. Even the notarity embarrassed him at times when he was touted by the ‘big wigs’.

        I never tire of reading about him. I wish there was more info out here. The US never gave him credit and that p&&&es me off. Edison got so much credit, Marconi and others.
        Tesla was the brain behind most of that stuff.


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        • The Supreme Cort ruled in favor of Tesla much later but the history books were never changed that had gave Marconi the credit as much of the world thinks he invented wireless (radio) and some others inventions !


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      • A HAARP With a Malevolent Tune

        The US government, despite the pledge of Barack Obama and the protracted economic woes decimating our national fabric, continues to sink hundreds of billions into the development of highly secretive weapons programs—as if the world lacked sufficient means to kill. One recently disclosed program is laser weaponry. Another, all the more guarded and insidious, is HAARP, an array of microwave antennas located in Alaska that produces an impressive one billion watts, for the purpose of fomenting unusually violent and destructive weather patterns. (It bears noting that Russia also owns several such machines).
        HAARP functions by warming the ionosphere, which permits it to …
        http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/08/a-haarp-with-a-malevolent-tune/


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  • theypoisonus

    If you follow dutchsince, he had a vid just yesterday about the quakes and how it was on an arch running from Va. to Col.
    This is a natural plate running horizontially across the US.

    The New Madrid is overdue. After Katrina, DH and I went from home, then NC to La. to see his kids and g-kids for x-mas. I wanted to stop by on the way back in BSL, ms. as I have freinds there from having lived there and wanted to see how they weathered the horror there and check on them.

    My friend, her husband at the time was into the New Madrid and went into a hour long tangent about it. I had never heard of the New Madrid before and it was quite enlightening.

    Just like San Francisco.. these quakes happen , historically, through time, over and over given time spans.. both are overdue for another hit.

    Hence, the FEMA excersize this summer, just in case.. some blow it up as a conspiracy.. and believe me, I don’t trust the govt. one iota since the Patriot Act scenerio which they are wearing out ways to manipulate that !!

    But, the fact remains that history has shown that these happen every 100 or so years.

    Archeologists in Japan the other day found a place that showed there had been 6 previous tsumani’s that were as big or bigger than this one was. So, history repeats..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The plate so arched ..did a little grind.


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    • theypoisonus

      While at it, I am not a ‘fan’ of RT’s Adam vs The Man show. He is a bit too sensational for me, like Alex Jones. BUT, that said, the more sensational you are, the harder it is to ‘die accidently’ with 2 bullets to the head like someone who was not a fan of Clinton did.

      Anyhoo.. I guess he liked Ron Paul and wanted to get donations for his campaign or something in that neighborhood.
      In comes the US gov. ( they aren’t fond of RT or Aljazeera) Hillary said recently that the US was “losing the Propoganda War”..
      This was a way to silence good ole Adam.

      Remember Stephen Colbert and his PAC routine? Well, Adam didn’t go through the process, ie. lawyers etc. to start a PAC.
      In comes the Federal Elections Commission Complaint and out goes , as in cancelled, Adam vs. The Man.

      I had two links for it, but the whole story is here in one link:
      http://deadlinelive.info/2011/08/24/adam-kokeshs-rt-show-adam-vs-the-man-canceled-due-to-fec-complaint/

      If you can’t win the propoganda war, you stop the propoganda. Is Alonya next ? How about Thom Hartman ? :)


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear Poison: Is “Adam” on RT that Libertarian young gentleman on RT? He’s such a fascist and has no idea that he is, or maybe, worse, he does. It doesn’t matter. He’s a fascist in reality. Corporativism, any Libertarian, Republican, hyper neoliberal (not liberal), globalization and deregulated capitalism pushing individual is extremely fascist, in case people aren’t aware of that. I’m sure he appeals to RT’s owners or those that influence RT most on behalf of the Russian billionaire set. There are 79 billionaires in Moscow, topping Manhattan’s super parasite density, apparently according to a previous RT blurb. The Libertarian no taxes, and no obligation to your fellow man, let’s exploit/profiteer/hoard and part at everyone else’s expense crowd are arcanely artefactual and all slated for extinction, not to mention, insane in the non-charming sociopathic or psychopathological way, which brings things like Fukushima about.


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear Poison: Hartman, in my opinion, is also part of the problem. He frames nearly everything (the words and phrasing used) precisely the same as on any U.S. English language media. He doesn’t realize that the U.S. is a de facto uni-party, a proto-dictatorship where the two approved parties are not actually parties, but merely faces for the same modern neoliberal (fascist) policies that are destroying the planet.


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        • theypoisonus

          Dear Pallus,

          and I quote:
          “State Controlled Capitalism is called…..
          Fascism”.

          We, are living in a facist society. All the tea baggers, liberals, concervatives tout and fear monger Socialism..
          What they shoud be fearing is Fascism, but IMHO,.. the don’t even know what it is, or they do and the want it.
          Again JMHO.

          I misted you. I wondered where you were and asked on the discussion board about you just this a.m.

          Glad to “see” you again. :) :)

          Quickly, I hope, for some reason I am in motormouth mode.. I think it is either thyroid, or blood sugar, but no dr. for 15+ years seems to ‘find it’. sorry , I can’t help it when this happens. Afterward, I am quiet as a mouse for a couple of days. ??? lol

          Anyhoo. I am not ‘formally’ educated. I made it through high school with B- grades and rarely studied. Then, as my adopted Mom , I went to work for GM , which is what you did if you lived in my home town.

          Recently, this last winter, I decided I needed a primer of the different forms of govt. So I got a tablet, started googling and reading.
          Now, I do know the difference, at least better than I did before. I still try to learn. :)
          I hope that is a good thing for an ole broad. :)


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          • americancommntr

            Theypoisonous,

            Visit the site http://www.truehope.com.

            Find and read the article, “Vitamin Cure” which was published by Discover Magazine. Try the product and give it a chance.

            Two Canadian farmers invented a cure for mental illness for one of them’s families, based on observations of behavioral problems in pigs raised in total confinement, which were cured using minerals. Farmers solve a lot of problems doctors screw around with forever but never solve.

            “For she had spent all of her substance and suffered much at the hands of the physicians.” Nothing new under the sun.

            But these two farmers found what many medical researchers were converging upon, that much mental illness is due to genetic faults in the area of nutrition, and that these faults can be overcome with supplementation.


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        • theypoisonus

          I have re-read you post and I agree to a degree.

          I also believe that there is no perfect form of govt. Unfortunately.

          Do you know a planet, or a place where we can start our own? :)

          Years ago, alot of years ago, I watched a movie as a child titled “Lost Horizons”
          Ronald Colman.
          It was Shangra-la.

          That is where I want to live an die.
          All people live in harmony, work for the common good of all. Take no prisoners.
          There is no hate, competition, thievery, aka
          Shangri- La. No hunger, no Hate, No racism.. the list is endless.

          I am an idealist. I have no political stance. I live in a dream world .

          No damn wonder I was a hippie. :)

          I’m so stoopid that I still believe in Shangri-La. Pity isn’t it. :(


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          • VanneV anne

            There is no Utopia on this earth. There are no perfect people. I won’t trade the US for any country. At least here we can criticize vocally and try to make peaceful changes for the future. There is still hope and freedom here.


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          • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

            Dear Poisonous, I give you permission, for what that’s worth (lol), to hate fascists all you want. I believe that pacifism and nice nice with devils serves the devils more than others. I think the U.S. version of New Age is generally a fat cop-out from reality. I hear you. I’m not an idealistic whatsoever. I actually see the deregulated capitalism thing as a form of extreme delusional utopianism that is not grounded at all, whatsoever, in reality; but in collective, aberrant delusion. Sharing based policies for the greater good and living sustainably within our finite ecosystem is rational, practical, hard nosed and not at all idealistic, as a matter of fact. Most of the world’s 100,000,000 estimated species have no trouble with this concept. It’s mainly we arrogant monkeys. It’s always good to see your posts, as well. I like people who tell it like it is.


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          • VanneV anne

            We can’t survive the radiation in space to reach another planet.


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  • theypoisonus

    Here is the PDF file of the US Campaign Commission Complaint of whatever silly little thing he did.
    I seriously doubt if he actually went over board, maybe he did, and should have been better informed.
    ?

    http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/fec-complaint.pdf

    through with that issue.. just found it interesting ! :)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I guess… old bunker boy Cheney will have to gasp his way to the surface…..


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    • theypoisonus

      Guess what I read just a couple of days ago?

      Not only does Bushie daddy and Bushie baby boy have a 200 acre estate/ military complex/ drug running complex in Paraguay, right next to Bushie daddy’s good buddy Rev. Moon, that just crack me up every time these religions zealots get together, sorry, sidetracked there for a moment..
      Anyhoo.. Chenney now owns a spread also !!

      Now everyone who is charged with Crimes against Humanity can all live together in Beautiful Paraguay !

      Politics sucks ! :) And it pays way too well.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        No extradition….umm…if our ecomomy stumbles..so will the rest of the world.
        They will be surrounded by the starving masses and a long one from home.
        Perhaps the People can find a way to convict them in absentia…turn flight into exile.


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      • It has been reported that George W. Bush has recently purchased a 98842 acre farm in Northern Paraguay. What on earth does the President of …
        http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread235278/pg1

        … President’s daughter, Jenna Bush, has secured on behalf of her father, the American President, and the Bush Family, the purchase of nearly 100,000 acres of land in the South American Nation of Paraguay, and which is also confirmed by the Latin American News Service, and as we can read as reported in their article titled “Bush Buys Land in Northern Paraguay”, and which says:

        “An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region. Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.” …

        http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/bush_paraguay.htm


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  • @ Heart of the Rose
    Cheney on the News tonight (MSNBC) said the he has wrote a resignation letter in case he had a heart attack or stroke and could not fulfill his duties as Vice President so if something as this happened they could put another Vice President in place, It seems there are no existing plans to remove a V.P. in case they are ‘Incompetent’ to fulfill their duty,… Now we all know why Joe Biden is still in office !
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @xdrfox..massive giggle…
    The guy has no heartbeat….some question if he has a soul.


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  • VanneV anne

    I think the talk of nuclear devices in Virginia and Colorado is completely off base! Deflecting from problems of nuclear energy is I think perhaps indicative of support for nuclear energy.

    Looking at the earthquakes from an evidenciary and scientific point of view, the reactions of these animals is indication that this is a quake and NOT an explosion of a nuclear device.

    Washington, D.C., zoo animals go wild ahead of quake
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44262913/ns/local_news-washington_dc/t/washington-dc-zoo-animals-go-wild-ahead-quake/#.TlWsAF1EN3I


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Was this posted earlier, If so pardon me…

    No threat seen from fire near Idaho nuclear complex

    SALMON, Idaho | Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:30pm EDT

    (Reuters) – Firefighters on Monday raced to contain a wildfire that had burned 128 acres west of a federal nuclear reactor complex in Idaho, but officials said the blaze posed no radiation risk to the public.

    Part of the burn area covered about 35 acres on the northwest edge of the Idaho National Laboratory, an 890-square-mile Department of Energy nuclear research complex in the high desert of eastern Idaho, officials said….

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/23/us-wildfire-laboratory-idUSTRE77M03620110823


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  • theypoisonus

    @rxdfox I rarely take any pain meds anymore. I was addicted and went off them over 3 years ago. I have a totally destroyed back, and yes, I did druggie things when I was a hippie, but no hard stuff.

    I do indeed drink beer… never anything stronger. You think I’m crazy now, you don’t want to hear/see me on hard liquor.

    @anne I’m not hate filled, I don’t live in a utopic, god beliveing utopia.

    I am a realist. I see things as they are and not through rose tinted glasses fogged by a false belief.

    I do not critisize you. You are religious and find it in you heart to critisize others.
    Whom is the most religious? touche!

    Now, this govt. we are living under had taken a strong hard turn against us WE The PEOPLE. IF you can not see that, and believe that through God or whatever it will all be right, you are horribly disillusioned. God, the Aliens or no one else is coming to save us.

    We, unknowingly or not, created this hell we are living in and we have to live with it.

    I deal with realism. I read, and learn, I have no doctrine. I am open to a certain extent, barring false gods, to opinion and thought.

    Do not critisize me for my open mind. DO not accuse me of being a drug addict, Dr. prescribed or not. I could go into “pain management” tomarrow and they would give me whatever I wanted. I CHOOSE to not do that. BEEE there, don’t want it.

    Yes, I drink beer. What a Damned Crime that is.
    Lets bring back Prohibitions, so that the gangsters can make money off that like they do drugs today.

    Are we clear, hear?

    I am a peaceful entity untill it comes to govt, / corporate rule, then I get mad.
    If you love this country as you profess you do, you should be mad also. IMH, verY HUMBLE O.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      They poisonous. You have no need, as usual, to defend yourself. You’re good just because. We need torque and I’ve seen nothing worthy of abridgment coming from you. Who would I be to judge.


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    • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

      We live in a fallen world that has made my faith even stronger.


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    • Is this the last part of you post ?

      theypoisonus
      August 22, 2011 at 10:30 pm · Reply …

      My best to all.. excuse my rant, I am not judging anyone, I am begging for help and compassion for these poor children and elders who will suffer most in in the beginning which we are witnessing now.
      Pardon any misspelling,Pain meds and a 3 beers don’t work well, but I have to combat the pain to carry on.

      Don’t villify me, join me and moonkai akd Nelson.
      Thanks, for reading this.

      http://enenews.com/nrc-chunks-radioactive-materials-found-around-fukushima-reactor-cores-spent-fuel-pools-worse-sfps-nuclear-engineer-video

      We love you !


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    • VanneV anne

      I appreciate it that you answered me as if I am a person.

      People who believe in Utopia are the opposite of God believing. Communism, which declared God dead, and who destroyed the churches and allowed no one to go to any church, was a Utopian dream. However, it believed that the ends justified the means. And It has and will never get out of the means part killing millions on and on forcing people to live as slaves.

      I was responding to your comment, “I hate that horrid person.” I dislike Cheney’s policies and actions as much as you do. And I have no no respect for him as a person. But he doesn’t inspire hatred, because if I hated it would only hurt me, it would never hurt him or stop him from being the person he is.

      I couldn’t tell from your previous remarks if you were hoping that the Libyans has set off nuclear devices in Virginia and Colorado. I am a pacifist and I don’t hope to see any killed. I don’t believe in capital punishment. I think if we want to change the world, we have to model the world the behavior that we want to see in others.

      I think your remarks are a mixture of a lot of education and a certain naivete that allows you to say things that can be taken in a way that you don’t mean.

      We can’t live without government. Without government, the bullies of the world even more than with government would be doing just what they are doing, killing us off with pesticides, cell phones, cell phone towers, and nuclear power and nuclear devices, etc. But we can still try to change that.

      Because we have government, Kan is stepping down. Because of government we have a voice in the next election whether or not we are successful in getting a candidate elected. There are far worse individuals that could be running our government. What happened in New Orleans with Katrina was horrible, yet we were able to find out about that and to express our disapproval.


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  • VanneV anne

    When I said, “I believe that the pen is mightier than the sword,”

    Someone answered, “Actions speak louder than words.”

    That totally changed the dichotomy and reframed the dialogued.

    A peaceful demonstration is an action. Voting in elections is an action. Driving voters to the ballot box is an action. Partaking in a town hall discussion is an action. Writing to your congressperson is an action. Loving another person is an action. Making a beautiful video like Moonkai is an action.

    There are many non-violent actions. I have listened to Peter, Paul, and Mary singing at huge demonstrations and was moved as many were. That on there part was both “the pen” giving expression hope to aspirations and an action.

    If we want to change the world we have to show the world a better option. If the world has to choose between death now and the hope of another twenty years before cancer strikes (a real despicable myth spawned by the nuclear industry), they won’t pick death today.


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