@ Hamburg Geiger,
i don’t understand your question!
There are a few Scenarios which are
much more horrible compared to what we saw
in the past!
At the moment we saw, in a way,
only a big(gest) Accident
but a small Catastrophe,
there is a multiple of Radiation
still inside of the Primary Containment Vessels
and a multiple amount of Radiation in the SFP.!
I really wish that we see no further Explosions
and i swear by God
that i will walk to Jerusalem/ Mecca/
Cape Finisterre
in the case we see a harmless ending of this
Human0815, I wanted to know what according to your mind could be more horrible then what we already saw in Fukushima.
The way I see it, nobody knows what happened and whereto how much radiation from which parts of the plant went. After what we see and considering the way we are “informed” officially we must anticipate the absolute worst, imo.
Maybe you know better what we saw. I think we can`t believe anybody, not even our own eyes because they are manipulated with fake videos.
If you call this worldwide desaster a “small catastrophe” you must be either in denial or out of your mind! Don`t know what more to say.
I also wish that we see no further explosions, and I hope that there ARE no more explosions. But I don`t see how there can be a happy ending to this! You better walk to Jerusalem and Mecca NOW and bring yourself out of harm`s way.
@ Hamburg Geiger,
many People here at Enenews
are watching only Enenews
or the related Media
but when your look for your Information
only here you may get the wrong Picture
I use all type of Information
and i spend daily a few hours
in front of the Internet and suck in
all type of Information
after i done this i compare them with
my own thinking, observation, knowledge
and “good Will”!
Also i am sure that many People here in Japan
developed a different tactic than the
People in Europe for example!
We can’t live in a doomed World,
or better “we don’t want” to do this!
PS: small and big Catastrophe,
the Boxer Day Tsunami for example
was a big Catastrophe,
or the Flooding in China
which killed nearly one Million People,
or the Cyclone 1970 in Bangladesh with a Death-Toll of ca. 500.000 (1970!)
even Haiti was a big Catastrophe
with 200.000 Deaths!
What was the latest extrapolation for Fukushima deaths worldwide? Was it 600 millions?
Sorry, I can`t understand your viewpoint. But I read on the other thread what you think about the whole situation. So, nothing left to say. I accept it as your opinion, but I fear you are sooo wrong.
Human0815, I think it was a report here on enenews some days or perhaps two weeks ago.
And I don`t think that estimation is stupid. I think we can consider ourselfs lucky if it does not come out worse. How many people live in Japan alone? Add those in Korea, parts of china and other regions of Asia, West-Canada, West-USA, maybe Mexico, etc. In the end this affects big parts of the northern hemisphere, maybe the whole world. You can´t only regard one year or one generation. Look for the big picture.
The deaths from Fukushima will dwarf those numbers you just cited of Bangladesh and Haiti. Just not today. Just not immediately. It’s what the nuclear industry banks on. The deaths will be over a year, two years, five years, twenty years. Diffused and spread out. I don’t know what dictionary you use, but it sure fits my definition of “catastrophe”.
Per the increase in cancers for those exposed in northern Japan to the now-allowable 20 mSv per year for 5 years, 3,300 cancers per 100,000 would be expected. Nearly 3.5% in excess of the 1 in every 3 Japanese citizens who could expect to get cancer before Fukushima.
It’s just cancer (and heart disease, etc.), already ubiquitous due to our penchant for poisoning ourselves in every way we can think of and many that we didn’t think of on purpose. None of it will ever be blamed on Fukushima instead of ‘normally’ polluted air, water and food supply.
Extrapolate to the entire northern hemisphere and a populated chunk of the southern (wherever nukes exist), and guess how many of the more than 400 rustbucket nukes running right now will melt and spew in the next 20-30 years. Just counting TMI-2, Chernobyl-4 and Fukushima 1, 2 and 3, we’re averaging
…a major meltdown every 6 years of operation (5 over 32 years, not counting research and medical reactors since the beginning). That cannot be worth the clear and present threat. My opinion. We have to clean up our world, and starting with nukes would be an excellent idea.
Clearly a “worst case scenario” given the amount of Fuel spent or otherwise at this site would have resulted in a cutting in half, but not of Japan, rather the world where those at most risk would be in the Northern Hemisphere and those at less risk in the south.
The difference here between the time of the second world war and now is the type of isotopes and nuclides and long lasting risk! Hugely significant differences, largely downplayed but fundamental to the understand of the true impact of Fukushima.
This incident will well and truly be the pre-imminent example of perception management exercises for this industry for time immemorial. That they have succeeded so far with keeping the offcial story in tact that most of the “radiation” is still contatined is beyond belief and criminal.
Regarding the Ceasium deposition on the ground, a 20 or 30 km radius is simply a joke. No one should live even close to it.
But still there will never be a cutting in half.
As Japan will not be capable of evacuating such vast areas.
Simply -
1. The economy can’t afford it.
2. The politicians are under the pressure of the industry and their previous statements.
3. People tend to accept risks regarding their future if they therefore can stay in their comfort zone
4. Bad education concerning radiation risks (all over the world).
Even I myself had to follow the Fukushima news for months to open my eyes.
I come from Germany and we had signifacnt chernobyl fallout, by the scale of about 10.000 to 50.000 Bq/m^2.
But still people here are collection mushrooms in bavarian forests and eating wild animals for pleasure. Propably containing about several hundrets of Bq/kg. You can already measure that with good geiger counters, it’s even close to be declared as radioactive waste.
I would never recommend to eat that, but people still do as it said not to be so dangerous for health. Big thanks to the WHO, the IAEA and their cosiness with Nuclear Industry.
Plutonium From Fukushima Has Now Circled The Planet
Sayer Ji, Contributing Writer
Activist Post
A recently published study in the Journal of Environmental Radioactivity confirms that the radioactive fallout from the Fukushima nuclear disaster reached Europe (Lithuania), and included plutonium, the most deadly manmade element (nanogram for nanogram) in existence.
Well, think about the positives. Many homes have to be abandoned which means the home values in the rest of the country should go up. And as I remember the home prices in Japan have been depressed since early 1990s. I am sure many Japanese home owners are happy about any price increase. If the country is split in half they will have to build a long bridge over the ocean to connect the split parts, which will bring many jobs. Hey, I assume some Japanese will profit from this disaster so much, they will want to nuke more parts of the country because it is so profitable to some LOL.
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That’s what they should have done.
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We can be very, very happy
that the most extreme do not happened
in Fukushima!
I am near to the Border,
ca. 1,5 Km!
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Human0815, what do you think can get worse there?
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@ Hamburg Geiger,
i don’t understand your question!
There are a few Scenarios which are
much more horrible compared to what we saw
in the past!
At the moment we saw, in a way,
only a big(gest) Accident
but a small Catastrophe,
there is a multiple of Radiation
still inside of the Primary Containment Vessels
and a multiple amount of Radiation in the SFP.!
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I really wish that we see no further Explosions
and i swear by God
that i will walk to Jerusalem/ Mecca/
Cape Finisterre
in the case we see a harmless ending of this
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Human0815, I wanted to know what according to your mind could be more horrible then what we already saw in Fukushima.
The way I see it, nobody knows what happened and whereto how much radiation from which parts of the plant went. After what we see and considering the way we are “informed” officially we must anticipate the absolute worst, imo.
Maybe you know better what we saw. I think we can`t believe anybody, not even our own eyes because they are manipulated with fake videos.
If you call this worldwide desaster a “small catastrophe” you must be either in denial or out of your mind! Don`t know what more to say.
I also wish that we see no further explosions, and I hope that there ARE no more explosions. But I don`t see how there can be a happy ending to this! You better walk to Jerusalem and Mecca NOW and bring yourself out of harm`s way.
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@ Hamburg Geiger,
many People here at Enenews
are watching only Enenews
or the related Media
but when your look for your Information
only here you may get the wrong Picture
I use all type of Information
and i spend daily a few hours
in front of the Internet and suck in
all type of Information
after i done this i compare them with
my own thinking, observation, knowledge
and “good Will”!
Also i am sure that many People here in Japan
developed a different tactic than the
People in Europe for example!
We can’t live in a doomed World,
or better “we don’t want” to do this!
PS: small and big Catastrophe,
the Boxer Day Tsunami for example
was a big Catastrophe,
or the Flooding in China
which killed nearly one Million People,
or the Cyclone 1970 in Bangladesh with a Death-Toll of ca. 500.000 (1970!)
even Haiti was a big Catastrophe
with 200.000 Deaths!
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What was the latest extrapolation for Fukushima deaths worldwide? Was it 600 millions?
Sorry, I can`t understand your viewpoint. But I read on the other thread what you think about the whole situation. So, nothing left to say. I accept it as your opinion, but I fear you are sooo wrong.
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@ Hamburg Geiger,
600.000.000???
Any (reliable) sources for that?
I will call this stupid.
There is in my opinion no reason
to expect such a high number!
@ Nohobear,
i accept your opinion
and i know that the next Generations
getting harmed but i still doubt
the “amount” of Human casualties!
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Human0815, I think it was a report here on enenews some days or perhaps two weeks ago.
And I don`t think that estimation is stupid. I think we can consider ourselfs lucky if it does not come out worse. How many people live in Japan alone? Add those in Korea, parts of china and other regions of Asia, West-Canada, West-USA, maybe Mexico, etc. In the end this affects big parts of the northern hemisphere, maybe the whole world. You can´t only regard one year or one generation. Look for the big picture.
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The deaths from Fukushima will dwarf those numbers you just cited of Bangladesh and Haiti. Just not today. Just not immediately. It’s what the nuclear industry banks on. The deaths will be over a year, two years, five years, twenty years. Diffused and spread out. I don’t know what dictionary you use, but it sure fits my definition of “catastrophe”.
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Per the increase in cancers for those exposed in northern Japan to the now-allowable 20 mSv per year for 5 years, 3,300 cancers per 100,000 would be expected. Nearly 3.5% in excess of the 1 in every 3 Japanese citizens who could expect to get cancer before Fukushima.
It’s just cancer (and heart disease, etc.), already ubiquitous due to our penchant for poisoning ourselves in every way we can think of and many that we didn’t think of on purpose. None of it will ever be blamed on Fukushima instead of ‘normally’ polluted air, water and food supply.
Extrapolate to the entire northern hemisphere and a populated chunk of the southern (wherever nukes exist), and guess how many of the more than 400 rustbucket nukes running right now will melt and spew in the next 20-30 years. Just counting TMI-2, Chernobyl-4 and Fukushima 1, 2 and 3, we’re averaging
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…a major meltdown every 6 years of operation (5 over 32 years, not counting research and medical reactors since the beginning). That cannot be worth the clear and present threat. My opinion. We have to clean up our world, and starting with nukes would be an excellent idea.
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HERE IT IS SINGLE LINK http://dwqovw6qi0vie.cloudfront.net/article-imgs/en/2012/01/07/AJ201201070039/AJ201201070040M.jpg
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GET ON BOARD EVERYONE!
PU HAS A EXCELLENT IDEA!
http://enenews.com/german-physician-fukushima-larger-than-chernobyl-japan-people-deceived-can-feel-only-helpless-rage/comment-page-1#comment-182516
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More perception management.
Clearly a “worst case scenario” given the amount of Fuel spent or otherwise at this site would have resulted in a cutting in half, but not of Japan, rather the world where those at most risk would be in the Northern Hemisphere and those at less risk in the south.
The difference here between the time of the second world war and now is the type of isotopes and nuclides and long lasting risk! Hugely significant differences, largely downplayed but fundamental to the understand of the true impact of Fukushima.
This incident will well and truly be the pre-imminent example of perception management exercises for this industry for time immemorial. That they have succeeded so far with keeping the offcial story in tact that most of the “radiation” is still contatined is beyond belief and criminal.
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Supporting Truthout peice to my above commentary I forgot to include in original post.
http://www.truth-out.org/science-skew-nuclear-power-industry-after-chernobyl-and-fukushima/1325956958
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Regarding the Ceasium deposition on the ground, a 20 or 30 km radius is simply a joke. No one should live even close to it.
But still there will never be a cutting in half.
As Japan will not be capable of evacuating such vast areas.
Simply -
1. The economy can’t afford it.
2. The politicians are under the pressure of the industry and their previous statements.
3. People tend to accept risks regarding their future if they therefore can stay in their comfort zone
4. Bad education concerning radiation risks (all over the world).
Even I myself had to follow the Fukushima news for months to open my eyes.
I come from Germany and we had signifacnt chernobyl fallout, by the scale of about 10.000 to 50.000 Bq/m^2.
But still people here are collection mushrooms in bavarian forests and eating wild animals for pleasure. Propably containing about several hundrets of Bq/kg. You can already measure that with good geiger counters, it’s even close to be declared as radioactive waste.
I would never recommend to eat that, but people still do as it said not to be so dangerous for health. Big thanks to the WHO, the IAEA and their cosiness with Nuclear Industry.
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Since this is reaching the North America, wouldn’t their evacuation zone, be greater than that?
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Plutonium From Fukushima Has Now Circled The Planet
Sayer Ji, Contributing Writer
Activist Post
A recently published study in the Journal of Environmental Radioactivity confirms that the radioactive fallout from the Fukushima nuclear disaster reached Europe (Lithuania), and included plutonium, the most deadly manmade element (nanogram for nanogram) in existence.
Sooo, is this not the worst case scenario?
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Well, think about the positives. Many homes have to be abandoned which means the home values in the rest of the country should go up. And as I remember the home prices in Japan have been depressed since early 1990s. I am sure many Japanese home owners are happy about any price increase. If the country is split in half they will have to build a long bridge over the ocean to connect the split parts, which will bring many jobs. Hey, I assume some Japanese will profit from this disaster so much, they will want to nuke more parts of the country because it is so profitable to some LOL.
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