WSJ: Tepco needs to find ways to prevent new nuclear reactions — May happen if fuel not adequately cooled — “Containment vessels are largely empty of water” after leakage

Published: September 14th, 2011 at 3:11 pm ET
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Japan Atomic Energy Body Sees Technical Hurdles Ahead, Wall Street Journal by Mitsuru Obe, September 14, 2011:

[…] The most difficult challenge facing Tepco is how to plug leakages in the primary containment structures […]

The primary containment vessels, the main shield against radiation leaks, and the reactor buildings that house them, have been damaged […]

The leakage means that the containment vessels are largely empty of water […]

Tepco also needs to find ways to prevent any new nuclear reaction, which could happen if the fuel is not adequately cooled during the entire process.

Published: September 14th, 2011 at 3:11 pm ET
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68 comments to WSJ: Tepco needs to find ways to prevent new nuclear reactions — May happen if fuel not adequately cooled — “Containment vessels are largely empty of water” after leakage

  • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

    Brace yourselves!

  • James2

    I think you linked the wrong article, but my gosh, how out of touch is this lame publication – stick a fork in them.

    The “primary containments” aren’t leaking, they’re destroyed.

    The fuel all leaked out of them within a few days of the accident – that’s already been confirmed.

    “The fuel needs to be cooled with water during the entire process”…. THERE IS NO PROCESS ANYMORE! It’s 100% total meltdown mayhem. Yeah the reactions need to be stopped – but nothing tepco is doing have stopped them for six months, and nothing’s going to stop them for the next quarter million years….

    Why in the world would someone be allowed to publish this????

  • kauaisoapbox

    At what point does Japan or ANY NATION pass control over to a larger body? They are effecting the entire planet. It’is time to let the scientists and engineers from around the world get at this problem. If you mess up a country and go bankrupt, somebody comes in and cleans it up. Sorry… but Japan is failing here. This is a fail. I respect their culture, and I even understand their way of handling it. However, shame and face have no stage when the impacts are foisted upon all of us. Step out of the way Japan!

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      TEPCO already said it would be 10 to 20 YEARS before they could do anything with the corrium PROVIDED the technology was invented that would allow them to actualy do something with it.

      How do you pick up a shovel full of the sun?

      • Grace Grace

        cool analogy but the sun is fusion, not fission.
        Rossi reactor is the closest we are to cold fusion here and it’s pretty exciting.

    • americancommntr

      .2 microsieverts per hour in rain in sw missouri, about 1 to 1.5 times background

    • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com

      exactly, if we (USA) had a real government that wasn’t distracted with it’s own shenanigans, things would roll different.

      Attack that stuff like a military operation like Chernobyl folks did! Put 500,000 people on this, now! Face reality.

      If your neighbor was spraying DDT out by your backyard where your kids and dogs were playing every day, what would you do? The answer is, anything necessary.

  • James2

    Sorry folks, I gotta leave. Mankind is done….

    • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

      Can I hitch a ride?

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        On the Jet Stream. ;>)

        • Grace Grace

          bit nasty really, I am aware of the jet stream and this I take to be your way of sharing – really rather monstrous.
          You are not helping me or yourselves here, what is wrong with you guys, we are all in this together.

          • moonshellblue moonshellblue

            Grace, Monstous? Once again I’m misunderstood. Perhaps that is why I don’t post here that often. We don’t really know each other and my life has always been a pretty dark ride and I have always used humor to enlighten my path through some of the darkest days. Once again, I apologize if I offended you

      • James2

        I think it’s time to party, which I’ve never done enough of – you’re welcome to join me if you bring some fun people…

    • I know why you wrote this…

      Hang in there 😉

      I.e. Post above… lulz

    • Darth

      @James2,

      Liked your posts. Hope you check in from time to time.

      I tend to think like you – humanity is a failed species. We not only are willing to kill off everything around us but even have no regard for our own well being.

    • DON’T GO JAMES!

      I will really miss your posts!!

      I do think enjoying life while we can is critical, even if we personally are not directly impacted by Fukushima.

      Energetic activism can easily lead to despair in this incredibly frustratingly, apathetic environment we all face when we try and share our concerns about the future of humanity itself.

      I believe we must enjoy our lives or we will easily succumb to this despair.

      So, if you are leaving to avert despair I know we all understand.

      Just don’t leave because of frustration with posters. Enenews attracts all sorts of people, but readers benefit very much from your comments.

  • TheWorldIsBlind

    Funny how just a few days ago in the news was the article “Fukushima Reacotrs ‘Essentially Under Control'” and the last few articles here on ENE have been all about potential releases from reactors that are clearly OUT of control. Im disgusted. Its so unfortunate, we’re all dead. We are out of time. This month, soon, we will see the end. We will face fate.
    The World IS Blind.
    God have Mercy on Us all.

  • If you add this article to the previous articles headline it would read:
    “Nuclear engineers need to find a way to cool the nuclear reactors, before they fall apart
    😉

    Under control… ?

    SO
    Naturally you simply can’t stop the slinky can you…

    Kinda wondering…
    Shouldn’t you just admit failure and start the evacuations then?

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Didn’t the IAEA just state that the reactors were stable? I guess their definition of stable is a tad shaky too say the least. We know criticality is still occurring thus how in the world could you state the reactors as stable when they have escaped containment and are running wild as they are still finding i-131.
    I don’t think we are all dead from this terrible disaster, sick, depressed and pissed, so I am and yes, we are all going to die some day but I don’t think it will be a direct result from Fukushima?
    It sure is very disconcerting and shows how easily some of the general pop can be manipulated by listening to the ring masters. I know they have their reasons but all I want is the truth. You can’t handle the truth, so they say and perhaps it is as simple as that. No, not simple as the complexity of this disaster has escaped the nuclear pros capacity to handle with the exception of twisting words enough for the masses to swallow. Sorry, I’m just rambling, vey frustrated with our government, etc.

    • “the general pop listening to ring masters”…

      You mean reading physics books?

      Plutonium can be found in your local library… I suggest you take a look at it, while it takes a intimate interest in your personal space.

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        I’m not sure what you mean by that post. I’m just frustrated that the so called specialists are trying to downplay the gravity of this horrific nuclear accident and that some people will buy into it lie hoop and sinker. I apologize if I offended you in any way shape of form. Please excuse my ignorance as I’m not a nuclear physicist, Just your average concerned worthless citizen but an informed one thanks to this site and many others who are willing to tell us the truth or at least guide us in our search to find it. Once again I apologize.

        • Grace Grace

          You are not worthless, you are amazing.
          Keep it up, the truth will out and I hope that there are enough calm people to help others through it. You don’t need to be a nuclear physicist to be clear on the hubris of nuclear power.
          Watch ‘the story of stuff’ – a movie.

        • acid Lab acid Lab

          “I apologize if I offended you in any way shape of form.”

          “Once again I apologize.”

          lmao

          • arclight arclight

            no offence bud! just a distraction from my amateur investigative stuff… i am trying to post within the legal/forum requirements, but i kissed the blarny stone…and im a stickler for detail! (not always right though) ….. i think that people like to read, at least a reasonably large percentage of the population digests information in this way (others digest info with thier other senses)…posts should try to reflect the context to which the point is made…with obvious limitation…so im a juggler, but hope the posts hit home
            peace light and love! 🙂

          • arclight arclight

            oops! wrong thread…lol!

    • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com

      once the corium gets far enough away (underground), they measure the temp at the old puka holed primary containment, if it is less then 100C, then cold shutdown has been achieved.

      Ouch!

    • lokay5 lokay5

      The IAEA is absolutely correct in stating that the reactors are stable, and that the reactors are in cold shut down. Of COURSE the reactors are “stable” and in “cold shut-down”,

      THERE IS NOTHING IN THE REACTORS!

  • StillJill StillJill

    “Shine the flashlight on a rat and see her scurry”.
    Thanks Heart,….you called this one. I was falling for her peace and love crap-ola a bit.

    Lessons learned. Sure wish I could remember ‘them’ anymore! 🙁

    Yes,….we are soon to meet our Maker,….Me Thinks too Heart. That’s the good news,….it’s ‘what’s in between’ here and there,…that I worry a tad about!

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yes it’s the in between or the but first, a little of this or that which is troublesome. A world of trouble.

    • Grace Grace

      StillJill, is this directed at me or am I succumbing to paranoia?
      I am what I am which also is what I appear to be, thank you.

  • TheWorldIsBlind

    Guys, I just started a thread on GLP. WE MUST GET RID OF NUCLEAR POWER. PLEASE WE NEED TO START NOW!! The article on naturalnews.com about the solar flares wiping out the power grid, esentially causing a simultaneous nuclear meltdown of 700 facilities is alarming! PLEASE HELP. LETS DO THIS FOR EARTH. LETS DO THIS FOR OURSELVES. WE CAN START NOW GET THE MOVEMENT GOING TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR RELATIVES, GET PEOPLE AWARE OF THE RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.

    • MY ISP IS BANNED FROM GLP 🙁

      • TheWorldIsBlind

        Ah damn Tacoma, I’ve been following you for awhile now, when you first made that post about the China Sydrome that could have, and did, happen at Fukushima. What will it take? How can we get this to congress, or better, Obama. I want to personally talk him in the eye and ask for his help. This news article is so f*****ing alarming because its SO TRUE! WHAT CAN WE DO??????!!!!

        • People don’t really understand, but this event is in congress (its just a closed door situation)…
          Essentially every nation is doing what they can to provide state of the art equipment, professional minds, and supplies to the japanese…

          However, Until the japanese have a containment / sarcophagus blueprint and game plan, Everyone is on stand by Because essentially its tepco’s plan. (in my honest opinion tepco has no clue what they are doing what so ever…)…

          The real problem is, If they continue to build a sarcophagus and the fuel explodes… = game over…

          If they do nothing = game over…

          So in all reality. This situation is a lose lose situation…
          Congress knows…

          What can you do???

          every way you look at it, the situation will get worse…

          How DO you FIX Fukushima before the slinky falls to the bottom stair (an ele). That is a very good question…

      • theypoisonus

        Download Tor, but you have to use Firefox for your browser.

        Am I the only one that reads anon stuff??
        I have not downloaded it yet, because I’m afraid to try a different browser.
        I even use “classic” with this vista piece of crapola.

      • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com

        get an ip annomizer or redirector or something

      • shaktasna999

        Tacoma Honey where have you been banned from? What is GLP? I am really tired and slow today but my anger is gearing up again.

        (Call from family overseas-it was not f*cking good.I’m too tired to cry.)

        So I should be ready to agitate a nice MSM arena tomorrow 🙂

        Is there something you’d like me to say to the nice people lol?

        Oh another thing about thyroid function. If anyone has suddenly started “heating up” (that isn’t of menopausal age) in such a way that they are sweating all of the time for no reasonable explanation, be alert:

        http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperthyroidism/DS00344/DSECTION=symptoms

  • dpl dpl

    the NPP condition is stable
    dead peoples condition is also stable
    The situation requires resources that are disposable such as volunteers to cleanup the site (the poor) and money from the sources whose decisions has brought this misery to mankind (the rich).
    The decision to act responsibly cannot come from government or industry and since the Pope is too busy making peace between the religious factions that just leaves us with one outcome.
    a dead zone with a collapse in population and no lessons learned.
    life goes on until we devolve back into the scum we came from and start anew.

  • Lacsap Lacsap

    The three cores are probably now melting into the earth (China Syndrome) and they have to pray that the earth will cool the cores enough before hitting groundwater. If it hits groundwater a big explosion will take place..

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: Only way to prevent new nuclear reactions:

    Answer…Not to have Nuclear Power Plants in the first place!!!!!

    • many moons

      Wind I think you are on to something there…..Let me see if I’ve got it right….if we change our power source from nuclear to non nuclear we will be able to enjoy food, freah air, walks in the park, swim in a lake and if we keep using Nuclear energy and building more reactors we will eventually kill off the planet and turn it uninhabitable? I think it’s funny when people say oh” you know the world will go to hell in ahand basket if we do away with nuclear energy…we need it!” Meanwhile we are cutting out large portions of the planet and turning them into dead zones….lets see…I think I’ll go for the hell in a hand basket has more promise!

      • WindorSolarPlease

        I do believe we can change power sources to a safer cleaner energy.

        It would take money and time to close down the plants and to change over, but it could be done and should.

        If we don’t change, what other dangers can we expect?

        We already know that Earth is changing.

        I would much rather not to have these dangerous plants around during these Earth changes.

        Plus there are other obvious reasons also, like nuclear waste and so on.

  • oscar419

    (Said with the utmost sarcasm)
    Well duh… Once it hits groundwater it will start cooling….

    • zednought

      You guys need to look at potrblog. Piss on the Roses says that with the appearence of Iodine and Radon all over Japan around the 20th of August, and the reports of cracks letting out steam, then the corium(s) have already hit groundwater, provoking a recriticality.

      Showed up in the Jet Stream where he detected huge numbers in ST Louis on the 20th, probably happened on the 11th or 12th. That’s why the Japanese are preparing for evacuations. If another big explosion happens, like to SFP #4, the Northern Hemisphere is done for.

      • Lacsap Lacsap

        Yes there is fuel melted into the ground as i read it on potrblog in little amount, not enough for explosion (escaped by steam / through cracks) However If the core reached the groundwater then it’s all over..

  • theypoisonus

    @Lacsap,

    “If the core reached the groundwater then it’s all over..

    At the rate they are going, there IS NO IF.

    6+ months and counting. What have they actually done? dam little.

    I’m persoanlly surprised it has not already. Most days now I wake now and wonder, “is today the day” ?

    These bozo’s have no freakin’ clue what they are doing as it has never happened before.
    When plan A doesn’t work, they try plan B, when that does’nt work, it’s back to Plan A.

    My 3 legged, 1/2 blind and deaf dog could do as good !! ( j/k, but not by much )

    • many moons

      I’m ready to listen to rover!
      I’m betting money that the animals come out better on this one….insects rule!

    • Lacsap Lacsap

      @theypoisonus Well that’s the whole problem: You can’t do anything then try and cool it down but it is soooo freaking hot (well the core at least) that cooling helps good as zero (correct me if i’m wrong). The only thing they could do is dick a tunnel underneath the plant (if possible) and then place it full with concrete and steel or better stuff to catch the blub (melted core). This was done in Chernobyl and called core-catcher.. (they did not need it in the end)

      • lokay5 lokay5

        Yes. A funnel under the reactor. To catch the molten, white-hot core. Uh huh.

        We’ll make the funnel out of unobtainium.

    • many moons

      You know why they have done damn little cause the majority are afraid to die. A close friend who was in the Russian army during chernobyl told me that the soldiers were brought into the reactor area, a gun was placed to their heads and the question was put to them “do you want to die now or later” Most of the soldiers prefered later and they ran in to do their 15 minutes or so….If thats what it takes to fix nuclear problems I really don’t think we should have nuclear energy.

      • Lacsap Lacsap

        They where in the army and had signed to do tasks like that. If you did not do your task it would had big consequences so leaving may caused a shot in the head.

        The people who dig the tunnel where normal miners and their job was as terrifying as of the soldiers.

        In FUKU they want people to clean up the roof and the workers have these paper looking suits.. in Chernobyl they had heavy lead suits to work with on the roof and around the plant.

        “Because of extreme radiation levels, the soldiers, in eight-man teams, worked for no more than 40 seconds on the roof of the destroyed reactor’s building”

        -> 40 seconds

        • many moons

          My point is…..if you don’t have the folks who are willing to risk their lives to fix the nuclear problems you shouldn’t have nukes! The Japanese army should be running in their to do their 40 seconds….at least attempting to support the crumbling reactors. 100,000 men and woman running in to put up supports.

  • Stlouieishot

    oh everything is totally fine. im sure tepco is expecting the corium to be cooled and go into cold shut down and end any criticalities once it hits ground water.

  • catweazel

    with 30 tons of water pumped in from above in a containment with cracks and holes: hitting groundwater makes no difference

    • many moons

      That’s what I would think….I guess it makes a difference in that the corium will travel down the highway of underground water and pollute Japan from top to bottom.