Yale Professor: Fukushima Unit 4 pool in perilous condition — “All of humanity will be threatened for thousands of years” if not able to be kept cool — Danger of collapse during storm or while attempting removal of fuel rods

Published: September 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima Forever
Source: Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (via Huffington Post)
Author: Charles Perrow, Emeritus Professor of Sociology, Yale University
Date: Sept 20, 2013

[...] Much more serious is the danger that the spent fuel rod pool at the top of the nuclear plant number four will collapse in a storm or an earthquake, or in a failed attempt to carefully remove each of the 1,535 rods and safely transport them to the common storage pool 50 meters away. Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years. [...]

See also: Gundersen: They’ve admitted that all the boron has disintegrated in between spent fuel at Fukushima -- It can cause a nuclear chain reaction if rods get too close together in pool (AUDIO)

Published: September 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm ET
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112 comments to Yale Professor: Fukushima Unit 4 pool in perilous condition — “All of humanity will be threatened for thousands of years” if not able to be kept cool — Danger of collapse during storm or while attempting removal of fuel rods

  • Jack Jack

    This is one area where we can't let the Japanese screw up. Bring in cranes and crane operators from the U.S.


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    • Wooster

      Frankly, right now, I would employ them from anywhere but Japan.

      My admiration for Japanese products, engineering and technology has been blown to bits by this mess. I keep thinking it can't possibly any worse, but every day it does.


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    • ftlt

      Jack: That comes across as So racist…

      Perhaps, the USA could send in airstrikes to bomb quiet out of the way villages where members of the Tepco leadership are known to be hiding to punish them and the Japanese people for failure to act on FUFU or torture teams to encourage reticent nuclear workers to get back on the job…

      We would probably do a better job at that than operating a cranes…

      And we could call it "freedom" while we're at it in the news here…


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    • We Not They Finally

      Jack: In case you haven't noticed, the U.S. has not even f-ing cared enough to protect ITS OWN people! The EPA nows tells us that deadly doses of radiation are FINE for Americans.

      And now NO ONE can operate cranes on that hyper-saturated site! They cannot be stabilized in the mud, the arms break off from excessive radiation, and it is completely impossible for there to be a human at the wheel. They would be fried!

      Painting the cranes red, white and blue will do nothing to mitigate that.


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    • tnnelson tnnelson

      Does anyone know what our United States Government is actually doing about Fukushima?
      Has anyone or does anyone have connections in nuclear high places…to find out if the United States is involved in any of the problem solving in Japan right now?
      Do we have a team of scientist working on this with Japan?
      It has been 2 years now….


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      • Discordian

        They have an innovative and probably successful plan in mind at this point.

        They have been working very hard over the last two years to embroil us in total war in the Middle East, and are very close to accomplishing that goal.

        This will take our minds off Fukushima for awhile, if not forever.


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  • dka

    The spent fuel pool n-4 should be removed all together.
    Bring, and/or build, super giant truck that can transport the pool in one piece, bring it on a safe piece of land unloading it in Asia somewhere.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    after they attempt to carefully remove each of the 1,535 rods and safely transport them to the common storage pool 50 meters away, then the SAME danger will have been moved 50 meters away, albeit in a more stable condition, yet still no way to deal permanently with the threat. Is it any wonder that some people have a certain dispair for the future?


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Yes, and it has never been done without computer assistance and all of the computers were destroyed in the blast. It also has never been done by humans in heavy protective gear with limited vision. I definitely despair for the future.


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    • We Not They Finally

      CS, where is the indication that they will get that far AT ALL? This is all hail-mary-plus. Even IF they can get a crane stabilized on the hyper-saturated earth (the last one had its arm break off from radioactive stress)and manage to run it REMOTELY (any human there would get fried), then remote visual inspection will determine which of the "pick-up sticks" it is safe to try and lift out without toppling the others?

      No one has even SUGGESTED that these are still nicely stacked like rows of matchsticks. They are melted, twisted, welded, fused, protection between the rods eroded, etc. How is this DOABLE?

      Besides, for all we know, criticalities there have ALREADY HAPPENED. Starting about two months back, the ocean radiation first spiked by 50-fold. Then every few days, we were told what to multiply the previous number by.

      Then they said that they hadn't a clue where that was coming from. Then the "hot spots" morphed into readings of upwards of 10 Sieverts! (Apparently just because that's the top reading possible on their meters.) But they were still blaming "leaky pipes" and "cracks in tanks," with some BIG PICTURE sidelined.

      I quaver that they plan on doing this at all. Are they PREVENTING "all fall down," or will they be CAUSING "all fall down"? If even Arnie Gundersen cannot answer that, then I haven't a clue. And maybe none of us have a prayer.

      But Hail Mary is better than nothing? Well, maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. I guess…


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  • or-well

    The author speaks a lot about the downplaying of radiation danger, a topic of concern to another professor in an earlier enenews post.

    This wont go away, even if they never build another nuke plant;
    not as long as there are lying Nukists and their lying Nukist organisations, lying Nukist True Believers like Rod Adams and lying Nukist missionaries spreading the Nukist Cult to young Nukist Acolytes, lying Nukist Moneychangers and lying Nukist Minions singing Nuke's praises in the Nukist Choir. The truth would destroy their cult.

    Got carried away.

    The lies, the bad science, the cover-ups won't stop until the entire edifice of their faith has been torn down stone by stone, smashed into rubble and ground into the dust of History! Let the Nukists be Martyrs for their Faith!

    So to speak. IMO. Just sayin'.


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    It took programmed computors to remove those rods & now if humans try it what do you think will happen, under good condititions men would make mistakes, under these conditions it will be like playing Russian Roullet with a 6 shotter with 5 bullets in it! Now is the time if the world does not step up as one they damn sure will suffer just like the rest of the ones way a head of us right now!
    It was the fools of the US government who shut down the MSM from warning the world of how bad this is & it will be their place to explain to our maker why they chose greed over helping humanity, I would not want to face GOD if I did what they have done, now we have to spread the word on how to beat protect the children from this weapon of mass destruction unleased upon the whole planet if it is not to late!


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    • jump-ball

      'I would not want to face GOD if I did what they have done.'

      The corrupt, guilty, nuclear corporate and gov't. culprits will do far better facing a forgiving God: who they should fear is the the hungry, thirsty, sick, roving, unforgiving civilian armed mobs who perceive they have nothing to lose and everything to gain in exacting final revenge.

      A study was once done asking individuals what they would do if told their society had just months to live, and some 75% named a relation with the movie star over whom they had long harbored a fantasy desire.

      None mentioned spending their final days extracting mortal revenge on the perpetrators of the world's demise, and how surprised they will be realizing their actual final efforts.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Unfortunately, humans usually attack the wrong targets and in the wrong ways. Like we just saw an awful movie, "Prisoners." It was rated 100% by four reviewers so we thought, o.k., it looks violent, but maybe it's tastefully done. Instead we were "treated" to seeing, repeatedly and mercilessly, the crap being beaten out of a retarded guy who was himself a victim. Because an irate father desperate to find his daughter, was "sure" that brutalizing someone else would help HIM.

        I was thinking, "Don't ENCOURAGE Americans to act like this." But if it ever comes to "hungry and thirsty mobs" in America, God knows what it will look like. A disintegrating physical environment may not be our only problem. People may find that all they have left is their capacity for love and compassion; but if that's not there, THEN what?


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      More like Russian Roulette with a 5-shooter with six bullets…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This accident was set to happen from the first days of nuclear.

    The dangers were known.

    And still, a few insane men were allowed to gamble our world away.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    All of it was approved by your "Civil Authority" and that is you and me and other citizens that vote.

    Best to keep your entire population very stupid and then worried about true ongoing conspiracies that are right in their faces..

    As long as a population knows how to shop, work and pay taxes then its all very good..


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    “All of humanity will be threatened for thousands of years” if not able to be kept cool…"

    Billions of years – scientific fact. This guy is either an industry tool or stupid.

    Our DNA won't last that long. In the bigger scheme of things, a few billion people dying isn't the end. Mutating the DNA into mush, well, that's the end of that.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Hopefully, they don't have an earthquake during the removal.


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    With 1535 rods to remove, some of them most likely already broken, the odds are that there will be at least one mishap and then "Goodbye Tokyo."


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      If it's goodbye Tokyo, there WILL be panic on the streets of America, and Canada. I just got in my order for one bottle of iodine, and I will be ordering more soon. Why do you think I am drinking? I certainly can not afford to. I asked someone tonight if they wanted to split a fifth. So I spend all this money, and then the other guy says, " Oh, man I only wanted a couple of shots." There you go, no responsibility, even in being irresponsible. I bet someone told Japan, "I'll go halfsies wit ya"


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  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    I had a thought, but immediately saw potential problems. Poking thin boron rods into the tank. But:

    1. Even thin rods run the risk of more damage to the fuel rods.

    2. Making it more crowded would make rod extraction more difficult, perhaps causing even more damage.

    This method might make the extraction operation slightly safer if some rods have been removed first to reduce crowding.


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  • NitWit

    @DKA Interesting idea, to remove SFP4 as a unit. Just cut what is left of the supporting columns and hoist the thing out, wreckage and all.

    They would have to fracture the installed re-enforcement below the SPF unless there is an expansion joint type system in place.

    Sadly, it may be too late for FP#4 but there are 3 more like it, baking, on site.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @NitWit & DKA: there's also the issue of weight. The pool, itself, must remain filled with water…


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      • davidh7426 davidh7426

        Freeze the water with liquid nitrogen… Use helicopters to pick up the Nuclear 'icecube' and then just carry it over to the new 'ground level' cooling pool.

        I'm assuming that TEPCO have actually built a pool that is bigger than the one in building 4.

        Once it's in the new cooling pool ( already filled with water ), just let the ice melt.

        The ice should keep the rods cool & away from the air.


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        • We Not They Finally

          davidh, humans would be fried trying to operating a helicopter that close. Even if the last-ditch scheme had a chance.

          And you "assume" that TEPCO has built a back-up pool WHY? And they would be storing it WHERE? In "a secret undisclosed location"?

          And who builds pipes or trenches with liquid nitrogen in an environment where no one can even get near it without being fried?

          Why do you think, o.k., this is just a construction project?? This comes up constantly here. Just do this, just do that. Just bring in the hard hats and everything will be fine.

          Why does ANYONE think that by now? It's hardly just you. Not personal. And some people making suggestions seem to be educated engineers. They just seem to forget about the radioactivity!!


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          • We Not They Finally

            And you think that A HELICOPTER can pick up the hundreds of tons (or close) of the SFP4 "in one piece" and then just land it down "safely" in some new "ready-to-go container"?

            It's all just about a giant ice cube? What are you saying?


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            • davidh7426 davidh7426

              Yes, WNTF, I know it's a suicide mission, but name anything connected to Fukushima that isn't.

              I'm assuming they would use the common storage pool 50 meters away, surely that can't be too hard to arrange.

              The pipes and equipment for the liquid nitrogen could be built onto a self contained platform that can be lowered into position when everything is ready to go, and then disconnected from the pipes that enter the water, and would be fixed in place, once the pool is frozen, and then the platform removed.

              You don't use trenches for liquid nitrogen, the nitrogen would evaporate immediately.

              The helicopters might be a problem, but it's that or use cranes, either way, it's one or the other.

              Do the cranes have the span to reach from the building 4 cooling pool to the common storage pool 50 meters away ? Or will they be playing 'pass the parcel' with the cooling rods ?

              NO… I've not forgotten about the radiation, it's on my mind 24/7, as it will soon be a global fixture, and will be as wide spread as air & water.

              —–

              And WNTF, what would your NON-ENGINEERING solution to the cooling pool nightmare be ? Or would you prefer TEPCO moved the fuel-rods one by one, a job incidentally that is going to cost a lot more lives over a vastly longer period of time.


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              • davidh7426 davidh7426

                …Actually cranes might be better, there are some that can lift 750 tons, so several of them in a line, playing 'pass the parcel' with the 'nuclear ice-cube' could move it to the common storage pool.

                It would all depend on the total weight of the cooling pool, the ice, and the freezing equipment.


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            • unincredulous unincredulous

              There's an idea. Freeze the SPF, not the ground. Think about it. I know I haven't. Having a hard enough trouble with the CAP LOCK key…


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          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Build a helicopter 200 times bigger than the biggest we have now. Then have the A-team take it out. Good idea.


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  • mairs mairs

    I don't understand why they didn't remove the SP from the pools in 5 and 6 long ago. Isn't the equipment in them intact? If the entire site has to be evacuated….


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  • Kerry Kerry

    "to remove SFP4 as a unit. Just cut what is left of the supporting columns and hoist the thing out, wreckage and all."

    Like a D-Day Mulberry harbor?
    Float it to sea and sink it?
    Seal it up and bury it?

    Perhaps it is time for the nations/people/scientists who understand what is happening here to seize the territory around this plant, under a 'global emanate domain,' and ask (tell) TEPCO to step aside, and let the best of the best step forth, to assume whatever control is left to be had.

    Whatever dignity, face, or integrity the Japanese leaders may have held, has been squandered.

    Seppuku may have been an acceptable method to deal with dishonor in Japanese culture of old, but they are inflicting it on all of us now, as well as future generations.

    Meanwhile, our leaders argue about politics, religion, and who to bomb next, while death seeps in all around us…


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    • MichaelV MichaelV

      For example, the talk now is about shutting down the government because they feel that the law of the land, the American Affordable Health Care Act, is a bad law.

      They are also not supportive of marriage equality, another law of the land, but they're quiet on that issue.

      They create red herring issues and get paid to do nothing, really.

      Government is an anachronistic throwback to the good old days when the world wars only killed 20-30 million civilians.

      Today the entire planet is a kill zone, and government cannot fix it.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Keery,
      I don't think anything should happen until an international agreement is reached to shut down this entire Nuclear Industry immediately.

      Unless this happens lets all die together, since it will just happen again in the next 20 years like clockwork around the globe. Die today or die tomorrow?

      Its all about choice!

      Bobby is tired of dying today while he is always asked to clean these Nuke Puke guys/gals constant messes up!

      End it or we all die..simple really!


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    • We Not They Finally

      Kerry, that is so well spoken!!

      But "global eminent domain" would have to be determined by some global body and the U.N. seems to be sold out to the IAEA, and the U.S. has been doing NOTHING to protect its citizens or even its food supply. To the contrary — it's been media black-out.

      It's not that the world isn't organized — it's that it is so CORRUPTLY organized. I wonder if even panic and desperation for self-preservation will break that stranglehold. I wonder if even one political leader anywhere has the courage to even try that by now.

      People were once thrilled by the courage of an FDR or a JFK. That just seems to be gone. The human species does seem to have turned out disappointingly….


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  • Thinkin` Rad Man Abe should have the honor of plucking the first rod.
    Think of it as "the last bow".


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  • If its so dangerous to move these rods, which Arnie surmises are damaged and bent, and if all they plan on doing is to move them 50yards into the common fuel pool which already contains over 6000 bundles ( 1 bundle =80? ) why not reinforce the existing #4 pool? Doesn't the technology exist to totally rebuild around pool maybe four ft thick reinforced concrete whereas the technology apparently doesn't exist to do what they propose? As far as racist comments go, cry me a river. Looks like TepGov has totally lied to the people of the world risking Pacific Ocean food source and dusting the planet with plutonium. Put bluntly, Japan has fucked up and put my kids and your kids at risk. The problem is far more technical then simply getting a good crane operator. That's a naive sentiment, for sure. But the Japanese people voted in/allowed this snake in the grass pro nuke Abe to run things and internationally first thing he does is lie to the Olympic committee and to the world on behalf of the Japanese people. Ok? I'm not being racist but truthful. TepGov is way over its head and Japans handling of this mess is incompetent. You can build good cars but you totally suck at crisis management which consists of more then bullshitting. If Obummer was a real President he would read them the riot act and send in the Marines and force international expertise on them to find out whats really going on and send them a multi trillion dollar bill and force retribution.


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    • AntonButler

      "Whoever destroys the earth will be himself destroyed"
      WHO said this?
      Good Idea, The USA marines must invade Japan,
      and kill all those criminal
      Japanese scientists and politicians.
      Then the same marines can invade the USA
      and kill all their criminal
      American scientists and politicians.
      Why , because their crimes against
      humanity in polluting the planet,
      and causing death by cancer.


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      • I didn't say kill all those Japanese scientist and politicians. I said secure the area, force international inspection and action and force Japan to pay for it. It won't happen because Amerika is complicit in this. Obummer wants the Japanese reactors to start up because Japans economy is intertwined with US global economy. For downplaying the incident and not warning West coast Americans he is a traitor. They want plutonium reprocessing to continue. They don't want the Japanese people to wake up. Why you would want to ship the worlds plutonium to an overcrowded earthquake prone island is beyond me. Abe appears out of his element and his propaganda tour of the facility failed with a mis-spelled name tag. He looks like an idiot claiming all the radiation is contained in the harbor. This shit conspiracy of nuclear terrorists must be stopped and everyone Japanese, Americans and Canadians must do their part. Germany really has it together on this one. Or stick your thumb up your bum and have another helping of "Freedom Fries".


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        • This game has been going on for quite some time

          http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/06/world/moving-plutonium-by-sea-is-assailed.html

          Japan has invested 20 billion US$ to build the Rokasho reprocessing plant easy to google.

          Japan can easily become a nuclear power as it has over thirty tons of plutonium on hand and decent rocket technology from its space program. Its more then just Fukushima…..


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          • We Not They Finally

            That's true. NPP's have always been handmaidens of the defense industry. So Abe figured that if we cannot build our own nukes, we'll have the control levers on other countries building nukes. It's all the same thing. Japan as a MILITARY power, whatever the treaties and agreements say.


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        • NoNukes NoNukes

          There are about 90 United States military facilities in Japan. The global nuclear mafia "secured" Japan generations ago, that's why they were able to build more than 50 nuclear plants there.

          The global nuclear mafia likes to use US Military occupation to further their goals. There are plenty of marines there already, marines make up the largest contingent of US military. Plenty of American hands have been involved directly in the catastrophe at Fukushima.

          To pretend that the American wing of the global nuclear mafia are not directly involved is to deny recent and distant history.

          "There are approximately 90 U.S. military facilities including major military bases throughout mainland Japan and Okinawa, with an area total of 3,130,000 sq.meters, 75% of which are in Okinawa. They are concentrated in a few areas (prefectures), 37 in Okinawa, 15 in Kanagawa, 11 in Nagasaki, and 7 in Tokyo. About 52,000 U.S. troops are stationed in these bases, 26,000 in mainland and 25,000 in Okinawa (2001). In mainland Japan, the largest contingent is the air force with 6,600 and that in Okinawa marines (15,500).

          http://www.jca.apc.org/wsf_support/2004doc/WSFJapUSBaseRepoFinalAll.pdf

          http://closethebase.org/us-military-bases/japan/


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            After the Japanese surrender in World War II, the United States Armed Forces assumed administrative authority in Japan. The Japanese Imperial Army and Navy were decommissioned, and the US Armed Forces took control of their military bases…

            In 1951 the Treaty of San Francisco was signed by the allied countries and Japan, which restored its formal sovereignty. At the same time, the U.S. and Japan signed the Japan-America Security Alliance. By this treaty, the USFJ are legally responsible for the defense of Japan. In return for this, the Japanese government offered military bases, funds and various interests specified in the Status of Forces Agreement. At the expiration of the treaty, the United States and Japan signed the new Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan. The status of the United States Forces Japan was defined in the U.S.-Japan Status of Forces Agreement. This treaty is still in effect, and it forms the basis of Japan's foreign policy.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              I find Article VII of the "Status of Forces agreement," which is still in effect, interesting, as it confers US priorities of use over "public utilities" in Japan

              ARTICLE VII
              The United States armed forces shall have the use of all public utilities and services belonging to, or controlled or regulated by the Government of Japan, and shall enjoy priorities in such use, under conditions no less favorable than those that may be applicable from time to time to the ministries and agencies of the Government of Japan.

              Recommended read:
              http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/usa/sfa/pdfs/fulltext.pdf


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              The spoils of war based on corrupted fear mongering which looks like results will eventually kill off the entire world…nice.

              All those marines stationed over there will have cancer soon..all of them!

              Very sad..


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            • We Not They Finally

              Japan apparently violated its own laws by even bring MOX fuel in. And according to Yoichi Shimatsu, that was done by Shinzo Abe, current PM who was PM before. Along with the Cheney cabal.

              Japan has by now probably violated both the spirit and the letter of those treaties many times over. Should the U.S. have any obligation to defend Japan at all? The Japanese are endangering the entire world BECAUSE they were determined to be a nuclear power.


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  • AB AB

    One Plutonium rod from SFP4 is enough to kill 2.9 billion people.


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  • AntonButler

    HOW REALLY FANTASTIC NEWS.
    Fukushima is the PERFECT accident.
    If anyone wanted to stop the insane nuclear power,
    what better way than to cause the worst accident in history,
    getting more out of control with time.
    We all know building 4 , having the spent fuel will collapse,
    and then this Pandoras box opens fully.
    This makes me very happy because the truth will
    replace all the lies and deception.


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Oh, well. What's on the tele. How is Kim Cardasian? What about Brad Pitt, is he married or what? How about that? What's up with that? Man I don't see nothing interesting or important on this site. What's up with that? That's what's important. Alternative media really sucks. Dude, I need some electrolytes. It has what a body needs. Duh


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I must have missed something..but I've yet to see the mechanism and indication of cooling of Unit 4.
    Perhaps someone can help me out here…


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    As established here long ago, the Nuclear Regulatory transcripts, that have been made public by the Freedom of Information Act, document multiple members of the NRC staff expressing that understanding that the reactor 4 spent fuel pool is already gone. Be wary of anyone who tells you otherwise, without reference to the transcripts that document the fuel pool's demise.

    http://hatrickpenryunbound.com/?p=3876

    http://hatrickpenryunbound.com/


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  • Thank-you NoNukes, I forgot about those transcripts. Also I think everybody forgets or even never knew how involved the military is in Japan. Reading the transcripts it appears American people were embedded in the Tepco control room which means they knew from the get go about the triple melt down. Not a word to LA. Except Obummer all of a sudden had a priority to fly to Africa with his family. It could even be surmized that Japan is handling the situation exactly as Amerika wants. Blaming Tepco is a shell game. As is blaming Obummer the overpaid teleprompt reader. Obviously there is a huge military nuclear machine siphoning money and time away from the American people. They are still trying to convince us that nuclear is safe. But more and more the people are wising up to the Bullsh…..I mean spin of the corporate militaristic nucleocratic plutocracy. Peace


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  • Try as I might, but I can't find Arnie Gundersen's comments precisely addressing the scenario of removing rods, rods touching and (I think it was) spilling pellets.

    * Yes: it has to be done under manual control, due to the damage.

    * My recollection is that of Gundersen saying any further damage to the rods, incurred by their removal, would likely result in a few days stand-down for the radiation and out-gassing to subside (I think), which would be released to the atmosphere.

    This is an important issue, since the nuke shills have jumped on Perrow's pronouncement of immediate catastrophe in order to pooh-pooh all the hazards. (Nothing will shut these guys up, of course.)


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  • W8R W8R

    Removing the fuel isnt possible without disaster. Peroid.
    The odds of doing it now are nill.
    Its all BS designed to seem like they have a plan.
    But hey, they still talk of removing fuel from the cores of 1 2 and 3, which have no cores or fuel left. And FYI #4 pool already burned.
    They know that. So whatever is left is a melted mess.
    There is no answer. Just BS.


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Only if those American scientists and politicians are Christians, according to Alex Jones Infowars website. Marines backing up the DHS in attacking Christians and gunowners? Or will the marines attack the DHS? Dun dun dunn. Man, talk about kill the messenger… WTF, I am glad I am drinking. Can I get a ticket for reading and writing UI?

    Cause I might give it up if so. he he


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      sorry, my previous post was in reply to AB's post at September 21, 2013 at 6:22 am · Where he writes:

      "Whoever destroys the earth will be himself destroyed"
      WHO said this?
      Good Idea, The USA marines must invade Japan,
      and kill all those criminal
      Japanese scientists and politicians.
      Then the same marines can invade the USA
      and kill all their criminal
      American scientists and politicians…"

      Sometimes… I read too much weird-ass shit on the old box. Maybe if we all grow six arms and six heads and six legs we can juggle all this b.s. Know what I mean, Vern?


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      • unincredulous unincredulous

        It is so hard to believe the unbelievable official story of 911, it should only be told on Halloween… at a campfire. It was all about those evil Iraqis and Islamic guys and Al Queda. So they built DHS to x-ray grandma, and feel up yur mama, and take out the Evangelical Christians and make Catholics pay for abortions.

        Bwahhh haaa haa. Just foolin wit ya kids.

        P.S. I was raised Catholic, but don't attend Church. I drink sometimes when I get frustrated and can't sleep. I take iodine mcg supplements, and yes, I believe in Jesus the Lord of Heaven and Earth, Son of God the Father, Yahweh, and a prophet of Islam. So play nice maybe we will live to see the new Heaven and Earth that are promised in the Holy Bible. I am soooo evil, and I am a sinner, but I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, the Trinity, and at times I think the NSA is spying on people like me. So, I am here to help them out. No really, I just wanted to clarify that I am not a evil Christian hater like The Powers That Be (TPTB.) Ex military NCO, I also believe in the power of FUBAR. Right now that appears to be ubiquitously apparent.


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