Yomiuri discusses “yellowish residue” found in Tokyo area: Radioactive Pollen? “Highly likely” Fukushima pollen will reach capital

Published: October 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am ET
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Oct. 24 — The Forestry Agency will begin checking for radioactive substances in cedar pollen in Fukushima Prefecture as early as next month, reports The Daily Yomiuri.

According to the Tokyo metropolitan government, wind can carries cedar pollen more than 200 kilometers.

“Pollen is said to fly from dozens to hundreds of kilometers… It is highly likely that pollen from Fukushima Prefecture reaches the Tokyo metropolitan area,” said Norio Sahashi, a pollen expert and visiting science professor at Toho University.

SOURCE: Fukushima Diary, Sept. 22

Yomiuri recalls, “In late March, many inquiries were received by the Meteorological Agency and local governments about a yellowish residue found in gardens and elsewhere in the Kanto region.

“Many residents apparently feared the residue was a radioactive substance from the crippled nuclear power plant, but it turned out to be pollen from the Kanto region.”

Read More: Govt to check Fukushima pollen / Cedar pollen may carry cesium on the wind, but at ‘harmless’ levels

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Published: October 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am ET
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60 comments to Yomiuri discusses “yellowish residue” found in Tokyo area: Radioactive Pollen? “Highly likely” Fukushima pollen will reach capital

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    “feared the residue was a radioactive substance from the crippled nuclear power plant,
    but it turned out to be pollen from the Kanto region”

    It’s probably radioactive pollen, but it’s just pollen after all – so why worry?
    /sarc


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Morning guys. In case you missed my comment on other thread. BLOCKBUSTER http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html I’m left speechless, if this is TRUE.


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      • Darth

        @Whoopie,

        I never heard of the Holy Grail of a “closed loop” being found. It seems to me Jim Stone would also consult with someone like Arnie Gundersen for a second opinion before plastering this kind of stuff all over the Internet.

        Sorry, no magic bullet here. Why do people keep hoping that more technology will solve our problems? How about we give Nature a chance – and follow a more natural way.

        A nice start would be to limit our numbers which are now estimated to be at 7 billion. And then we have the following prospect facing humanity down the road…

        Population To Reach 15 Billion By 2100


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        • bmurr bmurr

          and how do u suggest we limit our numbers? that is a slippery slope that leads to the wonderful human rights people in china are afforded. with all due respect, i will produce as many children as i see fit, and i would ask that u do the same.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Hi bmurr, I’d suggest we limit our numbers by free choice to do so…
            Infinite growth in a finite system doesn’t work – neither for economy goes nor for number of inhabitants.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            How many people were on this earth the day you were born? (interactive)
            http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/interactive/2011/oct/24/how-big-worlds-population-born


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          • Al-Chemisto

            My nation-state will have a religion that encourages all to produce as many as possible and we will supply nice education that going off to fight the heathen is the best thing to do. Therefore you are sacrificing your children on the altar of the Elite maintenance of power.

            Or maybe the philosophy that you are living by is somehow outside of one of these philosophies of nation-states. Maybe your philosophy is personal (yeah right).

            Maybe you live on a farm and want lots of kids to help with the chores and to help grow the acreage you can manage. Why not hire? Cause its in the family! Ok, so you are taking over more acreage with your growing family. How is that different from a nation-state?

            After awhile how much excrement from your family do you expect the environment to handle before you start to eat it? Do you think you eat poop right now? Is that ok? So we have these huge poop treatment complexes. They are gov run. Do they do do (lol) a good job? Do (do) they add good things into the water and do (do) you drink that stuff?

            So (no problem) have as many kids as you like. It is not my concern. Until you have too many for my concern and you are pooping in my water. (or any of the billion of things we excrete/throw out.)

            Its like a cigarette. No one should smoke them as most folks know that (a) they are not required and (b) they are anti-life. Much like nuke plants.

            So no cigarettes and no nuke plants. That was easy, right? Let’s move on. How much poop (and the billion other items) in the water/air/land?

            That leads to how many people on the planet.

            Ever watch bacteria in a petri dish? They just keep on reproducing until they eat all the food and then they all DIE. Pretty analogous example.

            Bacteria are (supposedly) not able to plan.

            Sure its a slippery slope. But maybe there is more than ONE slope to think about.


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          • bmurr bmurr

            i stand by what i said. i leave population control up to nature and leaking nulcear reactors . i dont think humans are intelligent enough to plan our future in that regard. i do, however, totally disagree with any kind of population control.


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          • Darth

            @bmurr,

            You are a real bummer…

            i dont think humans are intelligent enough to plan our future in that regard.

            Given your command of the English language I see why “intelligent” and “plan our future” are in trouble. You should not reduce all around you to your level of understand.


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          • strAtum5

            @bmurr

            You are not alone ! I, myself, will have as many kinds as I wish – and that’s my and my wife business, not anybody’s else.

            Population control is basically deciding who lives and who doesn’t. A new breed of holocaust.

            Lastly, as far as I can see, cancer numbers are sky rocketing since we so joyfully split the atom. So I wouldn’t be too worried about our population growing that much in the near future. If I remember correctly the figure for nowadays is 4 out of 10 people will develop cancer in their lives – that’s nearly 50% of the population. And that estimation was made before Fukushima …


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          • Anthony Anthony

            Cool B&B! Population has doubled since I got here.


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          I agree it should be everyone’s personal decision how many children he / she wants to put in this world.
          Just like I wouldn’t want to be forced to have any, how could I force others not to?

          Nevertheless it’s worth to think this on a global scale. Every human on this earth has the “right” to use 1/7 billionth part of the world’s ressources (today). That is not much (quite on the contrary, everyone of us uses up to 20 times more than that).
          And this calculation leaves already NO ressources to animals and wildlife.

          So. If we’re already living off much more than we ought to and exploit the planet beyond its limits, it leaves many fellow humans, animals and wildlife with NOTHING.

          Our choice.
          (Excellent book on the “global living” topic: Jim Merkel’s “Radical Simplicity”)


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          • americancommntr

            I for one am fully tired of people criticizing the United States and citing the tired old type ‘statistic’, “We only have 6% of the world’s population, but use half the world’s resources”, or some such figure.

            We still produce probably half the stuff produced in the world, and much of it is still exported. This is spite of a huge loss of industry to China.

            We used to produce far more. We now buy even more from foreign countries, providing markets.

            It’s still a screwed up world, and there is corruption everywhere, and unfairness, but this idea the US is a giant suck on the world, is baloney.

            We are also responsible for preventing Nazism, Japanese Imperialism, and Communism from wiping out hundreds of millions of people and enslaving the entire planet.


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            Our country has done so .. our officials are committing crimes against the American people and humanity at large.
            It hurts to think about it…..


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          • westcoastguy westcoastguy

            I believe in population control as well. Or an alternative, if you are pregnant or wanting to get pregnant you should have to take a test to see if you’re competent enough to raise a child. Then if you pass the test you can have a baby. I see too many fuckin teenagers pushing around a stroller in drug infested neighborhoods at midnight where i live. it pisses me off. Then those kids grow up to be low lifes just like their parents and then they have kids and so on and so forth. There shouldn’t be any area in the world where you look at someone and you get jumped by all their fuck up friends. just my personal opinion. there a lot more i could say but i dont have much time


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      • uhoh

        Amazing! I never heard of this guy before so I went to his home page and it says he went into hiding for fear of his life on Sept 28th. Any idea if he’s resurfaced yet or what happened to him?


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Liquid Sodium Reactor = Santa Susana

        Sodium Reactor Experiment
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_Reactor_Experiment

        This is not an option….

        I believe this is just a distraction from the issues at hand.
        A feeble attempt at keeping the dream alive by the nuke industry.


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      • Sorry to burst Jim Stone’s bubble, but this is just more pie in the sky stories from a nuclear engineer (or an imaginary engineer that he made up for the article). The idea of using liquid sodium cooled reactors is not secret, or untried, and it does NOT create a miracle of nuclear energy without radioactive waste and all the other risks that come with nuke plants. The nuke industry has repeatedly promised free or cheap power (they never come through with it). They repeatedly tout “passively safe” and/or redundant safety systems… and all of those systems have failed to prevent accidents. The nuclear industry has only consistently succeeded in a few things:
        1: They can reliably turn Trillions of dollars into Millions of dollars worth of electricity.
        2: They can reliably use millions of barrels of oil to mine uranium, process mountains of ore into fuel pellets using oil, gas, coal, and other fossil fuels for these MASSIVELY energy intensive industrial processes. They can ship tons and tons of material around the globe with oil, and even use diesel generators and carbon-based electricity from the outside grid to run the nuclear plants themselves… and call the whole oil-fired nuclear fuel cycle “carbon-free”…
        3: They can lie with a straight face and call anyone who disagrees a fool.
        4: They can take our electric bill money and our subsidies that fund them and use that money to subvert, pervert, and distort our political processes and hamstring legitimate efforts to regulate their poison.

        They do those things well. Other than that they have never delivered what they promised.


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  • bmurr bmurr

    wasnt simi valley a sodium reactor? my first thought is that sodium cooled reactors are not very safe, and expensive. But i agree that we are not looking for free clean energy, people dont become powerful giving energy away. i have also wondered why a spent fuel pool contains so much potential energy, yet we dont attempt to harnesss it.


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Yes simi was. (and bmurr, if your talking about Stone’s post) If this is true…GOOD GOD! We’re sitting on a POWDER KEG with some EVIL people at the controls!


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    • Darth

      Many have attempted extracting more energy using FBR’s – and ALL are very dangerous or now shut down.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor

      There is no magic bullet.

      The path forwards is simple. Shut down all nuclear usage.


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      • lam335 lam335

        My impression is that the name “fast breeder” refers to how quickly it produces plutonium. Is that correct?


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      • bmurr bmurr

        Darth,
        I am simply surprised that you have resort to personal attacks. I post from an android phone most of the time, and quite frankly I don’t care what my post look like(not concerned with how intelligent you think I am). If you believe in population control, argue your points on their own merits. I disagree that people should be forced into behaving the way you think they should. And if you feel so strongly about it, why not start with yourself, I’ll replace you with pleasure.

        I have found this to be a fairly open community, for all levels of knowledge. Arrogance is what got us in the situation we are in. Educating people is one of the most powerful things we can do as individuals.

        You comments do not deserve this response, but I felt strongly that you are doing more harm than good.
        Feel free to spend you spare time editing my posts, and conjuring up insults.

        Brian


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        • Darth

          Anyone who thinks 15 billion people on the planet is okay deserves a slap.

          You should not reduce all around you to your level of understanding.


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          • bmurr bmurr

            Darth,
            You are part of a fringe philosophy. Take that crap to another forum. You are going to scare off normal people who have a justified fear of nuclear power and weapons as we know them today.
            I now understand the meaning of the term “Troll” that Whoopie often uses. You are a distraction, and a unlikable and arrogant presences. That is my opinion.

            Brian


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        • StillJill StillJill

          Darth,….I so want to press the ‘report comment’ button on you! You owe bmurr,…and every other one of us,…an apology for your tone, at least. Please ‘check it before you wreck it’! You are a distraction, and quite a borishly rude one at that. Ball is in your court,….counting.


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    • lam335 lam335

      Monju in Japan was a sodium reactor.


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  • Radiated Pollen?

    ….Uhmmm….Radiated Bees come next…then the radiated food chain.

    …thinking…. is Japan about to “die off” within five years?

    Party like its 1999 friends

    red red wine


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    • lam335 lam335

      The irradiated food chain is already here. It’s not a question of whether it’s radioactive, just how much.


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      • Bobby1

        Every wastewater plant in the US filters sewage sludge from the wastewaster. They have to, it’s an EPA law. Otherwise the rivers and streams would be hopelessly gunked up with crud. This sludge (“biosolids”) is then sold or given away to companies that apply it to farmland as “fertilizer”. Up to half the farmland in the US has had this stuff applied to it.

        This sludge contains radioactive contaminants from rain runoff, manure, excretions from contaminated humans. The crops grown from land where it is applied uptake the radioactive substances from it.

        Grains like wheat, corn and soy grown in this way are then fed to livestock which bioaccumulate the contaminants. They end up in the meats section of your supermarket.

        Also these grains are now being exported around the world, where they bioaccumulate in meats produced in every corner of the globe.


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    • radegan

      Potato bugs, isn’t it? Didn’t they test radiation tolerance using roaches and potato bugs? I think potato bugs won, hands down. So splice in some potato bug genes into your eggs, gals, if you want your children to thrive in New Earth.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Good Morning Whoopie! (I think) :-)

    Just wanted to thank you for sending me back down the rabbit hole AGAIN,….with that Jim Stone story.


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  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    It seems to be accepted that snow scrubs radioactive particles better from the air than rain. Perhaps pollen does too.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Flapdoodle,…..Very logical,…..(I know,…I sound like Spock!)


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    so when scrubbed, by snow, does that mean carried down to earth and deposited there to radiate for a while, until it melts and runs downstream radiating everything in it’s path?


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  • blackbeer blackbeer

    “Meet me in Saint Louis, Louis”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKFmiUI-5g&feature=uploademail

    I don’t comment much but have been here from the first. You good people keep me very busy. I am thankful to you all.
    Couple more links:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zlpThBnCw&feature=uploademail
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRP70sj1j4&feature=uploademail

    Don’t really know what to say…………..

    Tom


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  • StillJill StillJill

    You said a TON Tom,…in few words. BRAVO! And, Welcome!


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  • Fall out man!

    I’ve mentioned it before, but its worth repeating. There were reports of yellow rain in Tokyo after Fukushima blew up. (and in the USA in 3 different places, all reported on this site) I spoke to a Ukranian migrant about it. When she heard about this, she said “Oh no, they have the yellow rain”. After Chernobyl the Ukranians were told the yellow rain was just caused by pollen. But when kids played in the yellow puddles their hair fell out.

    I spoke to a women on a computer help desk in Tokyo and mentioned the story to her. She said “I wondered what all the yellow stuff was everywhere”. Apparently they had a lot of yellow dust in Tokyo early on.

    When I searched the web I found that strontium oxide is yellow. So I wonder if it could simply be a large amount of fall out coloring the rain. No doubt pollen is yellow, but its rare to get enough in a city to make things yellow. Even stranger when the “pollen” makes people’s hair fall out. So it probably is some kind of fall out. Perhaps there have been reports of that in nuclear tests? That would give a definitive answer.


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