Published: February 8th, 2012 at 3:52 pm ET
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Title: Temperature inside reactor stops rising
Source: The Yomiuri Shimbun
Date: Feb 9, 2012
The abnormal rise in temperature in a reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant has stopped, apparently because more water has been injected into the crippled reactor, according to Tokyo Electric Power Co.
[...] the cause of the increased temperature remained unclear. [...]
According to TEPCO, the volume of water being injected was far less than usual. It is possible that the way water was injected into the reactor might have changed around the time of the pipe repairs, and that water did not reach some of the fuel.
TEPCO also speculated that the fuel, which had melted and then solidified, might have cracked due to some shock or dropped down and changed shape.
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Published: February 8th, 2012 at 3:52 pm ET
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Hmm I think they might benefit looking at Steve in VA’s diagrams and theories.
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Hi Anthony, what/where might those be please? I’m not familiar with that. Thanks!:) As far as the article, there’s no “might” about it.
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@LetThemEatYellowCake: your avatar’s…AWESOME!!! You’re an f’n genius…
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hehe thanks aftershock:) I give Nuck credit for the word, but when I saw him say it, I instantly pictured it on the periodic table and had to open paint;)
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http://www.economic-undertow.com/2011/11/07/non-battle-of-fukushima/
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thanks Anthony I’ll check it out!:)
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Well, it’s official. TEPCO’s obviously reading ENENEWS posts…
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It’s been obvious in the past as well. I consider it a wise thing to utilize the eyes and minds here, gives an outside view in combination with their readings and knowledge, particularly from fresh minds away from much of the contamination which can’t be helping their people in thinking clearly. It would be nice to see more employment of experts and utilization of ideas of course though. I still think it can’t hurt to have a visionary in combination with their heat seeking technology map out these turd tunnels. I know people have those skills.
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@LetThemEatYellowCake: I totally agree with-what you’re alluding too! For this reason, I’d like to open a discussion as to what some of us would suggest as solution to this particular series of failures at Fukushima. There are many engineers/researchers/scientists/thinking-machines that could hash-out solutions that might help the Japanese. It’s not enough to suggest that these plants be shutdown; doubtless, they’re getting that message. I think it’s time to throw some working suggestions out to them. Normally, I wouldn’t give these corporate whores the time of day. But this is no longer about pride or prejudice; it’s about the very survival of our species. From the tone of many press releases, I sense that they’re starting to get this, themselves. It’s time for all of us to put our shoulders into this!
We’ll talk later. I must shut down here and see some friends. Stay brilliant!!!
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Aftershock, the tone has really changed in the past two weeks hasn’t it? The hubris is gone ….
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Am just throwing this out here since I’m absolutely NOT an expert in such things — but is there a form of glass or ceramic containing borosilicates that can withstand extremely high temperatures?
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What has been used as heat shielding on the Apollo, Russian, Nasa Space Shuttle vehicles, esp. or re-entry to the atmosphere? Any chance something like that could be adapted for use at Fukushima Daichi? Any chemists, metallurgists, engineering types out there who could answer?
I think I read there is some type of borosilicate that is more temperature resistant than any other compound on earth. True? Untrue?
Am wondering if there are ceramics that contain borosilicates. Borosilicate glass exists, but it is NOT a ceramic. Just trying to “brainstorm” this ….
I wonder if Tepco has considered injecting something like that around the base of the reactors/spent fuel, or putting something like a borosilicate in place? Or maybe use a layer of it, in combination with layers of something else, like the “inside” or outside of a sandwich?
Wondering if it (some kind of borosilicate compound) could withstand the kinds of temperatures and stresses created by molten nuclear fuel.
Just wondering if y’all think anyone has considered it. Maybe some of you tech-savvy or engineering types could chime in on this one. That’s just my two cents’ worth on something that might be worth trying or at least looking at. (I could be completely off-base here.)
I can think outside the box, but I don’t have the technical/engineering expertise to know what might work. I’m sure there are much greater minds than mine already working on this!
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Last 2 Russian attempts to send something into space have failed. The last time they said it was due to cosmic radiation, but more probably from radiation from Fukushima and other radiation from other nuclear plants. The earth is really glowing.
NASA has stopped manned space flights? Is this related to too much radiation? Too much methane? etc.
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You mean to say the cookie dough is CHANGING SHAPE?
OH MY FREAKIN GOD, OMG!!!!!
This is horrible, terrible, obnoxious..
I refuse to eat my cesium cookies if the dough has changed shape or cracked…
Are we still in ‘cold shutdown’ or does this mean that the oven has heated up, ready to bake some cesium/iodine fortified cookies, with strontium icing of course?
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Total Radiation Released Into Ocean, Air, Groundwater, Storage Tanks, etc http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3069802
A Green Road Blog
http://www.agreenroadblog.com
While all of this cookie dough cracking and changing shape is happening, the focus is off of how much total radiation has been released?
Does anyone care?
Is anyone else researching or calculating all of these?
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Green Road,
I’m going to post a link to a group monitoring radiation in Japan. Interesting group. Am hoping they are successful in their endeavors. Can’t remember how I found this site, but think it was through a series of click-throughs from an article posted here.
http://www.datapoke.org/blog/8/study-modeling-fukushima-npp-radioactive-contamination-dispersion-utilizing-chino-m-et-al-source-terms/
Was VERY EXCITED to hear about the work these people are doing. It’s truly an international effort.
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What lies.
The fuel isn’t anywhere near the RPV. When they did the scope on it a few weeks ago they didn’t go into the RPV – they went into the containment and found so much radiation and corrosion that even they were surprised.
Cold shutdown my ass – they’ve got a 4,000 gallon per hour pump running water probably right over the temp probe so the steam can’t get to it and run it up over 80 degrees. Simply so they can continue the lies.
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“cracked” How is MOLTEN, never cold, nuclear lava “cracked”. More layers of BS
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Yeah, t3pco read ENE.
well, a message for it: “t3pco, devi stiantà ! malidetto il buho dela tu’ mama maiela doddeci pocce!”
e s’inse bono a tradurre, czzi tui!!”
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It’s turned into the Blob.
I feel like I’m living in a B-grade science fiction movie and I’m just one of those extras who get killed off before the second scene.
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Ha. I had said its like a made for tv movie. The info is surreal and defies physics, but ya gotta get 13 episodes out of it. Alice, we are all extras.
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The happy face seems inappropriate. Less as colon perceniths.
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“TEPCO also speculated that the fuel, which had melted and then solidified”
They have already admitted several times that they have no way of knowing this. They have no way of knowing what condition the fuel is in. They don’t even know where the hell it is for crying out loud, how could they possibly know what shape it is in…
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“TEPCO also speculated that the fuel, which had melted and then solidified, might have cracked due to some shock or dropped down and changed shape.”
Parsing this for a few ambiguities:
1. TEPCO… speculated that the fuel… had melted….
2. TEPCO… speculated that the fuel… solidified….
3. TEPCO… speculated that the solidified fuel might have cracked….
4. TEPCO… speculated that the solidified fuel might have cracked due to some shock (such as an endoscopy)….
5. TEPCO… speculated that the solidified (but shape shifting) fuel might have dropped down beneath any remaining containment….
5. TEPCO… speculated that the solidified fuel… changed from its normal benign banana shape into a more sinister unknowable shape, but everything is OK.
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Now that is funny…painfully true, but funny….
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Clearly Tepco is incompetent or lying or both. I vote for both. Speculating where the spent fuel blob is,is unacceptable. Sounds like a 17 year old speculating what the funny sound is coming from his first old beater car. Oh but you clowns are running nuclear power generators. Everybodys health is dependent on your speculation.
Interestingly, I looked up “cold shutdown” and found this:
“Because the definition of a cold shutdown regards the state of the reactor itself, a reactor could be considered to be in cold shutdown even though the fuel from the reactor may no longer be inside the reactor containment vessel.[1]
[1] = ^ NRC Definition of cold shutdown. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/cold-shutdown.html
So we are certainly dealing with semantic Bull$hit here. You go to the nrc website and cold shut down definition reads “The term used to define a reactor coolant system at atmospheric pressure and at a temperature below 200 degrees Fahrenheit following a reactor cooldown.” ok and cooldown is defined as “The gradual decrease in reactor fuel rod temperature caused by the removal of heat from the reactor coolant system after the reactor has been shutdown.” Even NRC doesn’t mention meltdown or melt through.
Looks like I will have to edit Wikipedia. I don’t think that when we are speculating where the corium blob has gone (and according to the above article in the Shimbun they might not know until 2021) just because the cooling system is below a certain temperature doesn’t mean the reactor is in cold shutdown. I’m sure all you regulars have discussed this before but I feel its worth repeating.
Even NRC defines cold shut down in terms of after a reactor has been shutdown. Not after a reactor has suffered an earthquake and tsunami and has melted fuel rods which have left containment and who’s location is unknown
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Sorry original quote regarding cold shut down came from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutdown_%28nuclear_reactor%29
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Wish you geniuses at TEPCO would “CRACK” and start telling people the truth!
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They did! “We don’t have a clue what is going on.” See yesterday’s story re: #2.
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Still don’t understand why TEPCO officials are still using ambiguous radiation numbers. The average person isn’t going to understand becquerels vs milliseverts and so on. This may be the very reason they are be ambiguous. I give it up for Hanford officials for at least keeping it in terms one can understand. 85 severts, I can understand that, if you live downriver or within 30 miles of the reserve, run like hell!
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Yes, Tepco’s new definition of cold shut-down.
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So in conclusion;
Tepco has know idea where is the fuel-blob
no idea how to contain it
if its leaking into the ground water
no idea how to cool it
no idea how to put it in some other state other than a big blob at the bottom of a reactor
When will the government bring in another group of scientist who can answer one or more of these questions? Fukushima meets the blob would be a funny movie, pretty horrifying since its real.
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Well, Tepco technicians DID admit they are clueless ….
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It’s a living breathing true story horror movie playing for those who won’t be bamboozled by all the lies. Each day seems to open a new chapter. I am not looking forward to Steven Kings “The Stand” unfolding outside our homes while we tap away at our keyboards.
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